Character Discussion Thread

[Knight Dude]

Snake's all like: "I wonder who that is..."

Simon Belmont? Maybe it's Simon Belmont.

More like, it would never happen. I think Sakurai said something about not having fighting game characters.

I know that Sakurai had stated something on fighting game characters. But you know the old saying, "never say never".

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I have to say, I don't think a new Fire Emblem character is all that likely. As far as Fire Emblem characters go I can't see a new one getting in before Ike, and as far as newcomers go I see one as lower priority these guys

 

[Kenith]

Pac-Man is both the pie missing a slice, and the ball with the face. Regardless, he is one of the most iconic 3rd party characters around. I cannot think of any other video-game character that is more iconic. I mean, Goku or Batman might be able to stand against our behemoth, but they didn't originate from a video-game.

Iconic? Yes. Popular? Less so.

I know that Sakurai had stated something on fighting game characters. But you know the old saying, "never say never".

I thought the old saying was "Anything can change!"

 

[Starcutter]

Pac-Man is both the pie missing a slice, and the ball with the face. Regardless, he is one of the most iconic 3rd party characters around. I cannot think of any other video-game character that is more iconic. I mean, Goku or Batman might be able to stand against our behemoth, but they didn't originate from a video-game.

Pac-man better be something like this if he's in

http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2008/05/15/15-pac-man/

 

[Morbi]

I have to say, I don't think a new Fire Emblem character is all that likely. As far as Fire Emblem characters go I can't see a new one getting in before Ike, and as far as newcomers go I see one as lower priority these guys

I am actually inclined to agree with you, if my logic is correct, we apparently have 6 more newcomers that need to make an appearance. A Kid Icarus representative seems entirely obvious, a Donkey Kong representative seems even more overt. I actually count Mewtwo in the roster already (no matter how fallacious). Sakurai stated that 39 (40) characters were feasible. Thus, an additional 10 characters seems to satisfy a reasonable roster. Not only do we achieve a 25% character increase, but we get a nice and even 50 characters.

In that event, assuming we only have 11 Newcomers (Mewtwo, Kid Icarus, and Donkey Kong in addition to all characters already revealed) we only have space for 4 more newcomers. I am starting to doubt that another Fire Emblem representative will take priority when we still (probably) need a retro and another Zelda character. After that, fan favorites like Ridley are more important than another sword wielding, blue-haired lord.

 

[Ember Reaper]

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I have to say, I don't think a new Fire Emblem character is all that likely. As far as Fire Emblem characters go I can't see a new one getting in before Ike, and as far as newcomers go I see one as lower priority these guys

I've been lurking awhile, but have I missed something that King K. isn't on that top list?
The first 4 obviously are in, and the next six make sense as likely newcomers, but isn't King K. considered above Dixie in most cases?
Or am I just sadly mistaken and blinded by my want for that crocodile?

 

[Morbi]

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I've been lurking awhile, but have I missed something that King K. isn't on that top list?
The first 4 obviously are in, and the next six make sense as likely newcomers, but isn't King K. considered above Dixie in most cases?
Or am I just sadly mistaken and blinded by my want for that crocodile?

This is the prime example of the relevancy argument. Dixie Kong, if you weren't entirely aware, is featured as the prominent character in Tropical Freeze, the newest successor in the Donkey Kong franchise. Our favorite Crocodile King is not recent enough to be considered a high-priority character (to many). However, do not fret, both characters can co-exist and no one is entirely sure if Dixie will replace K. Rool, that is just an assumption. Given Nintendo's intentions, many speculate against K. Rool and for Dixie Kong, many also cite her ease of development or probability of being tacked on to Diddy Kong as feasible reasons to include this usurper. No one really knows what will happen, we might even get... Cranky Kong! Dun Dun DUN.

 

[Kenith]

I am actually inclined to agree with you, if my logic is correct, we apparently have 6 more newcomers that need to make an appearance. A Kid Icarus representative seems entirely obvious, a Donkey Kong representative seems even more overt. I actually count Mewtwo in the roster already (no matter how fallacious). Sakurai stated that 39 (40) characters were feasible. Thus, an additional 10 characters seems to satisfy a reasonable roster. Not only do we achieve a 25% character increase, but we get a nice and even 50 characters. In that event, assuming we only have 11 Newcomers (Mewtwo, Kid Icarus, and Donkey Kong in addition to all characters already revealed) we only have space for 4 more newcomers. I am starting to doubt that another Fire Emblem representative will take priority when we still (probably) need a retro and another Zelda character. After that, fan favorites like Ridley are more important than another sword wielding, blue-haired lord.

Needed character = / = wanted character.

The only series I think, that needs/deserves additions are Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Kid Icarus

Franchises like Mario and Zelda are appropriately represented by Brawl's cast.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have to say, I don't think a new Fire Emblem character is all that likely. As far as Fire Emblem characters go I can't see a new one getting in before Ike, and as far as newcomers go I see one as lower priority these guys

Needs Pac-Man and Mii, then I'll be inclined to agree.

 

[Starcutter]

we might even get... Cranky Kong! Dun Dun DUN.

probably not though

Needs Pac-Man and Mii, then I'll be inclined to agree.

SHUT UP ABOUT THAT DARN LEAK UGH it's probably not even true, jeez.

 

[BluePikmin11]

SHUT UP ABOUT THAT DARN LEAK

Even without the leak they are pretty damn likely to appear playable in Smash.

 

[Ember Reaper]

This is the prime example of the relevancy argument. Dixie Kong, if you weren't entirely aware, is featured as the prominent character in Tropical Freeze, the newest successor in the Donkey Kong franchise. Our favorite Crocodile King is not recent enough to be considered a high-priority character (to many). However, do not fret, both characters can co-exist and no one is entirely sure if Dixie will replace K. Rool, that is just an assumption. Given Nintendo's intentions, many speculate against K. Rool and for Dixie Kong, many also cite her ease of development or probability of being tacked on to Diddy Kong as feasible reasons to include this usurper. No one really knows what will happen, we might even get... Cranky Kong! Dun Dun DUN.

Fully aware of such a possibility and of Tropical Freeze, and if Dixie got in I think that'd be great! Pending on what they do with Cranky him too!
But King K. ... We've already seen most recent doesn't matter all that much. Also I think DK series could easily get 4 reps. As 2 of the most iconic DK characters are up for it (3 now if Cranky is included...).
I still don't see a reason to include another KI rep. I have played Uprising and loved it. It was so fun and I think Palutena is hysterical. I just don't think the series needs another rep beyond Pit.

 

[Morbi]

Needed character = / = wanted character.

The only series I think, that needs/deserves additions are Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Kid Icarus

Franchises like Mario and Zelda are appropriately represented by Brawl's cast.

Again, it doesn't necessarily matter if one presumes that Zelda and Mario are appropriately represented in Brawl's cast. Precedent of Sakurai's intent alludes to something entirely antithetical.

probably not though

SHUT UP ABOUT THAT DARN LEAK UGH it's probably not even true, jeez.

I never blatantly dismiss a character's plausibility. Cranky is a very real possibility.

 

[Starcutter]

Even without the leak they are pretty damn likely to appear playable in Smash.

and I think Yoshi will likely get another character, but I know it's an unpopular opinion so I keep it to myself most of the time.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I can't see Sakurai wanting Mii's in Smash Bros. I also don't think Nintendo would want them in a game like Smash. Pac-Man is different though, I'm honestly unsure of his likeliness, though recently I've been leaning more towards likely.

 

[Morbi]

and I think Yoshi will likely get another character, but I know it's an unpopular opinion so I keep it to myself most of the time.

Still, I agree with BluePikmin, it doesn't matter if the notion isn't well-received. It doesn't necessarily change objective fact.

 

[Kenith]

Again, it doesn't necessarily matter if one presumes that Zelda and Mario are appropriately represented in Brawl's cast. Precedent of Sakurai's intent alludes to something entirely antithetical.
I never blatantly dismiss a character's plausibility. Cranky is a very real possibility.

I am confused. You are too wordy today.

Are you saying another Fire Emblem character is less important than all those other examples? Or that they are less likely?

 

[BluePikmin11]

and I think Yoshi will likely get another character, but I know it's an unpopular opinion so I keep it to myself most of the time.

Well don't be afraid to show an opinion, if that's how you feel.
I think a 2nd Yoshi character is a possibility, due to having the possible "Year of Yoshi" soon. He may look into a second one, but I think for sure he's not going to look indepth due to not having much standout characters.

 

[Chandeelure]

How many dislikes do you think the Miis's trailer in YouTube would have if they are in the game?

Spoiler

Probably this would be my reaction.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Depends on how it's executed, if Reggie's Mii is in the trailer, it will gain lots of likes.

 

[Morbi]

I am confused. You are too wordy today.

Are you saying another Fire Emblem character is less important than all those other examples? Or that they are less likely?

I suppose I am referring to their prominence and their likelihood. So both.

I mean, it is blatantly overt that Mario and Zelda are Nintendo's most influential series; and thus, I believe it is rational to assert that it is entirely likely that we may see another Mario newcomer and an additional Zelda newcomer. Precedent dictates that we may be seeing another Zelda representative and intent might allude to another Mario representative. Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik were both planned for Brawl, as such, it is likely that we may be seeing, at the very least, one other Zelda character. Mario, this is a franchise I am not entirely sure about. As of current, we have just as many Mario characters as the installment prior to Brawl. So an extra representative seems obvious; however, as noted, we do not really have a lot of space left in the roster. So I am not sure if another Fire Emblem character would take priority. Again, one must account for the premise that intent tends to change over 5 years. So your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Starcutter]

Still, I agree with BluePikmin, it doesn't matter if the notion isn't well-received. It doesn't necessarily change objective fact.

.....um...

 

[BluePikmin11]

.....um...

You'll learn more about the wealth of vocabulary as you age.
(Psst.. no videos in this thread)

 

[Kenith]

I suppose I am referring to their prominence and their likelihood. So both.
I mean, it is blatantly overt that Mario and Zelda are Nintendo's most influential series; and thus, I believe it is rational to assert that it is entirely likely that we may see another Mario newcomer and an additional Zelda newcomer. Precedent dictates that we may be seeing another Zelda representative and intent might allude to another Mario representative. Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik were both planned for Brawl, as such, it is likely that we may be seeing, at the very least, one other Zelda character. Mario, this is a franchise I am not entirely sure about. As of current, we have just as many Mario characters as the installment prior to Brawl. So an extra representative seems obvious; however, as noted, we do not really have a lot of space left in the roster. So I am not sure if another Fire Emblem character would take priority. Again, one must account for the premise that intent tends to change over 5 years. So your guess is as good as mine.

I think Nintendo is leaning more towards promotion when selecting characters this time, which is good news for characters like Chrom, Palutena, Mewtwo, Mii, and Dixie Kong, but very bad news for King K. Rool, Isaac, or Ridley.

Not that it completely dictates the roster, but it is definitely a factor. Nintendo is still a corporation, and Smash is a cash cow. Not to mention, the characters are the always the biggest deal in these circumstances.

 

[Starcutter]

You'll learn more about the wealth of vocabulary as you age.

that's not the reason, I completely understand the sentence, but where it is and how it's used confuses me.


particularly because there's not really any post of yours for morbid to "agree" with that's posted before his post. maybe you guys misunderstood me? I still don't know.

 

[Morbi]

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Just because many oppose the notion of Pac-Man (or Mii characters) doesn't necessarily alter the reality of the situation. Objectively, Miis are the most prominent, prevalent, and relevant characters that Nintendo could possibly offer. Many defend Pokemon Trainer for the very same reason that Miis are entirely likely (they represent the consumer base, every individual player). Miis have become the effigy of Nintendo. As for Pac-Man, no one can deny that he is one of the most iconic video-game characters. Thus, even if the opinion is unpopular, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

 

[Arcanir]

I've long since accepted the possibility of Miis being in the game, I don't like them but I won't deny their prevalence in Nintendo's recent history.

I think Nintendo is leaning more towards promotion when selecting characters this time, which is good news for characters like Chrom, Palutena, Mewtwo, Mii, and Dixie Kong, but very bad news for King K. Rool, Isaac, or Ridley.

Not that it completely dictates the roster, but it is definitely a factor. Nintendo is still a corporation, and Smash is a cash cow. Not to mention, the characters are the always the biggest deal in these circumstances.

I don't think that's the case, otherwise characters like Megaman would've been ignored and we would've gotten a W101 character when it came out. Nintendo probably doesn't have that much influence when it comes to characters, they're still probably picked by the criteria set by Sakurai and nothing else.

 

[Starcutter]

Just because many oppose the notion of Pac-Man (or Mii characters) doesn't necessarily alter the reality of the situation. Objectively, Miis are the most prominent, prevalent, and relevant characters that Nintendo could possibly offer. Many defend Pokemon Trainer for the very same reason that Miis are entirely likely (they represent the consumer base, every individual player). Miis have become the effigy of Nintendo. As for Pac-Man, no one can deny that he is one of the most iconic video-game characters. Thus, even if the opinion is unpopular, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

OH see, that's the problem right there. I wasn't talking about the use of the individual characters, (even if I seriously doubt pac-man has a chance) was talking about the "leaky 3" as a whole, which bluepikmin had obviously been talking about.


also I know an unpopular opinion doesn't change the reality, I have an unpopular opinion (that being Kamek or someone from Yoshi) that I honestly really think will happen. I don't disregard things if they are unpopular, that would be stupid.


MY point was people shouldn't bring up unpopular opinions unless necessary, like what I do with my Yoshi opinion.

 

[Morbi]

that's not the reason, I completely understand the sentence, but where it is and how it's used confuses me.


particularly because there's not really any post of yours for morbid to "agree" with that's posted before his post. maybe you guys misunderstood me? I still don't know.

I apologize, I should have been more concise.

Even without the leak they are pretty damn likely to appear playable in Smash.

and I think Yoshi will likely get another character, but I know it's an unpopular opinion so I keep it to myself most of the time.

Right here, I was agreeing with the sentiment that the leak does nothing to attenuate the likelihood of the characters in question.

You stated that you found Yoshi quite likely to get another representative, but you do not make it entirely overt as it is not a popular opinion (thus, you keep it to yourself).

Still, I agree with BluePikmin, it doesn't matter if the notion isn't well-received. It doesn't necessarily change objective fact.

This is what I said in response to your post responding to BluePikmin's post. Hopefully that clears it up.

 

[Kenith]

I don't think that's the case, otherwise characters like Megaman would've been ignored and we would've gotten a W101 character when it came out. Nintendo probably doesn't have that much influence when it comes to characters, they're still probably picked by the criteria set by Sakurai and nothing else.

I meant in general. Besides, even if that was how characters were chosen, Mega Man was one of the most popular character choices, easily making up for his lack of promotion.

Besides, I'm of the opinion Nintendo will reveal many more interesting/requested characters closer to release.

 

[Knight Dude]

I won't deny that Miis are a possible choice. But I still have my doubts of adding one into a game like Smash. Since it is a series whose draw is so heavily based on it's characters coming together. You don't really need so many blank slates being thrown in. We already have Villager as one of these blank slates, so again, I have my doubts on whether or not another is honestly needed by any means.

 

[Kenith]

I won't deny that Miis are a possible choice. But I still have my doubts of adding one into a game like Smash. Since it is a series whose draw is so heavily based on it's characters coming together. You don't really need so many blank slates being thrown in. We already have Villager as one of these blank slates, so again, I have my doubts on whether or not another is honestly needed by any means.

I think the "blank slate" argument is somewhat too dismissive, as the reason they are so expected is because they are heavily promoted, not because they are unique or interesting.

 

[Tepig2000]

What's the topic now? Pacman? I hope he is playable, and he has a pretty high chance, seeing how iconic he is.

 

[Morbi]

I think Nintendo is leaning more towards promotion when selecting characters this time, which is good news for characters like Chrom, Palutena, Mewtwo, Mii, and Dixie Kong, but very bad news for King K. Rool, Isaac, or Ridley.

Not that it completely dictates the roster, but it is definitely a factor. Nintendo is still a corporation, and Smash is a cash cow. Not to mention, the characters are the always the biggest deal in these circumstances.

I certainly agree with this sentiment, those who blatantly disregard this notion are fallaciously speculating. However, as you stated, it doesn't entirely dictate the roster. It is a factor, just as relevance IS a factor. Just as being a female character IS a factor. We aren't aware of the magnitude, everything is a factor though. It is quite annoying when people dismiss something as one part of the whole is erroneous. Like Ridley, sure the "too big" argument is utterly ridiculous. The extension of that, the "too hard to develop" argument actually has a lot going for it.

 

[Knight Dude]

I think the "blank slate" argument is somewhat too dismissive, as the reason they are so expected is because they are heavily promoted, not because they are unique or interesting.

I guess so. They are pretty prominent in Nintendo's recent stuff. Still, they seem unnecessary due to Villager's inclusion. Even in a marketing stand point, Animal Crossing is a big series for Nintendo too.

 

[Morbi]

I guess so. They are pretty prominent in Nintendo's recent stuff. Still, they seem unnecessary due to Villager's inclusion. Even in a marketing stand point, Animal Crossing is a big series for Nintendo too.

Unnecessary, yes. However, this doesn't necessarily satisfy the notion that they are still likely. Something can be unnecessary and likely at the same time. I believe Miis to be one of these characters.

 

[Arcanir]

I meant in general. Besides, even if that was how characters were chosen, Mega Man was one of the most popular character choices, easily making up for his lack of promotion.

Besides, I'm of the opinion Nintendo will reveal many more interesting/requested characters closer to release.

I'm a bit confused what you mean by that. Even in general, I can't say promotion is a defining feature of this game. They are revealing certain facets for releases, but that doesn't mean that it's a major feature that affects the game as we don't have evidence that supports it. For instance, going by to the characters, of the ones we have now, all of them had something going for them outside of just being promoted at the time. WFT and Rosalina were characters that added uniqueness to the cast, Villager was a highly requested character that also did the same and Megaman completely throws it out for getting in as a highly popular character. Even ignoring that, there's no reason to assume the same wouldn't hold true for examples like King K. Rool, Ridley (though less so as mentioned below) or Little Mac who haven't appeared in games for some time but still have good things going for them based on Sakurai's criteria.

I certainly agree with this sentiment, those who blatantly disregard this notion are fallaciously speculating. However, as you stated, it doesn't entirely dictate the roster. It is a factor, just as relevance IS a factor. Just as being a female character IS a factor. We aren't aware of the magnitude, everything is a factor though. It is quite annoying when people dismiss something as one part of the whole is erroneous. Like Ridley, sure the "too big" argument is utterly ridiculous. The extension of that, the "too hard to develop" argument actually has a lot going for it.

It may be a factor, but I will debate that it's not the defining reason these characters are picked just as much as I would debate that being female is not the main reason WFT and Rosalina got picked. There's a lot more to the process then just one facet, and based on what Sakurai has been telling us he does focus more on what the character brings to the table.

 

[Knight Dude]

Unnecessary, yes. However, this doesn't necessarily satisfy the notion that they are still likely. Something can be unnecessary and likely at the same time. I believe Miis to be one of these characters.

I know, I'm not doubting whether they are possible. I know that they are. But some people seem to think that they are inevitable, which I don't exactly believe myself.

I think Nintendo is leaning more towards promotion when selecting characters this time, which is good news for characters like Chrom, Palutena, Mewtwo, Mii, and Dixie Kong, but very bad news for King K. Rool, Isaac, or Ridley.

Not that it completely dictates the roster, but it is definitely a factor. Nintendo is still a corporation, and Smash is a cash cow. Not to mention, the characters are the always the biggest deal in these circumstances.

I'm not too sure that would be as much of an issue for Ridley as the other two you mentioned. He was still seen in the latest Metroid games. And he even made cameos in games like Dead or Alive 3D and Nintendo Land, so he isn't irrelevant. But I can definitely see that wrecking Isaac's chances of being playable.

With that said, Metroid in general needs a little more promotion.

 

[Morbi]

I know, I'm not doubting whether they are possible. I know that they are. But some people seem to think that they are inevitable, which I don't exactly believe myself.



I'm not too sure that would be as much of an issue for Ridley as the other two you mentioned. He was still seen in the latest Metroid games. And he even made cameos in games like Dead or Alive 3D and Nintendo Land, so he isn't irrelevant. But I can definitely see that wrecking Isaac's chances of being playable.

I agree, the only characters that I believe to be inevitable (aside from obvious veterans) are Mewtwo... and Mewtwo.

 

[Tepig2000]

I certainly agree with this sentiment, those who blatantly disregard this notion are fallaciously speculating. However, as you stated, it doesn't entirely dictate the roster. It is a factor, just as relevance IS a factor. Just as being a female character IS a factor. We aren't aware of the magnitude, everything is a factor though. It is quite annoying when people dismiss something as one part of the whole is erroneous. Like Ridley, sure the "too big" argument is utterly ridiculous. The extension of that, the "too hard to develop" argument actually has a lot going for it.

I don't understand the hard to develop part, can you explain it to me?