Character Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

Fire Emblem isn't a significant enough Nintendo franchise to warrant 4 characters.
Heck, 3 characters is pushing it, the reason that I think it will happen is because Awakening was such a big game.
DK and Kirby would be next in line for 4 reps, Fire Emblem would be down the road somewhere.

Yeah, I actually think is pretty weird that all the people here think a Fire Emblem newcomer is extremely likely.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'd be fine with just Ike and Marth returning. If we do get one, I would hope for Robin with a stance change mechanic.

 

[Johnknight1]

Out of curiosity, who are you thinking in terms of unique Fire Emblem reps?
None of the truly likely ones stand out as "unique" to me. Chrom, Lucina, Roy, (especially) Robin, none of them excite me too much.
Anna, Lyn, Tiki, they are some characters to get excited about.

I haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening, so I won't include them.

But Marth and Ike are obviously super unique. Roy could be as well (I've theorized it before). And Lyn and Hector off the top of my head would easily work and be excellent additions. As for the 6th Fire Emblem character, an Ericka and Ephraim team, Leaf, the Black Knight, etc. could all fit that billing.

As for Chrom though, pizzadudemanguy has made a great spear-heavy moveset, and as for Robin, I think thethirdkoopa made a similarly good moveset as well. I don't support either character or want either character, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Quite frankly, if either character had such a moveset as the ones those 2 made, I would be very pleased with those characters being on the final roster.

Yeah, I actually think is pretty weird that all the people here think a Fire Emblem newcomer is extremely likely.

I don't.

 

[Louie G.]

I just don't like Robin.
Really I don't see anyone changing my mind on that.
I'd rather have an established character than the avatar.
I know Robin is technically a character, and you may bring up Villager...
But in the Fire Emblem universe there is a diverse selection of characters to choose from. You don't have to resort to the avatar (as important as it may be to Awakening) if you have better options. Animal Crossing did not have better options, so it makes sense to add Villager over say, Tom Nook, because he represents the series as a whole better than anyone else. Robin does not do what Villager can do. Personally, I feel that Marth alone could represent Fire Emblem. In Smash at least, since Sakurai loves to make FE look like a franchise that only uses swords.

 

[Chandeelure]

I don't.

Oh, cool.

 

[Louie G.]

Oh, cool.

Chandelure, everyone expects a FE newcomer based on patterns from past Smash Bros games and the fact that Awakening was such a huge game for the series.
So naturally a recent character from Awakening just makes sense as an addition to Smash.
In my eyes, recency DEFINITELY helps in constantly changing franchises such as Pokémon or Fire Emblem.

 

[shrooby]

This. Fire Emblem is growing, but it's not huge. Hell, if it weren't for Awakening, it would be DOA. Four reps are generally reserved for huge franchises (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon), with Mario sometimes breaking that threshold for being the biggest.

We have no reason to believe that the "threshold" hasn't increased.
Excluding 64, Mario has broken this "threshold" two times out of three. That's hardly "sometimes," that's most of the time.
I'm honestly surprised that some of you think three Fire Emblem characters would be "pushing it." Unless Fire Emblem were to magically get five or more characters I would not consider any amount of characters is pushing it. Except having only Marth. That would be pushing it in the opposite direction.
I'm going off on a tangent now, but some people care so much about "reps" that it gets rather disheartening. Like each franchise deserves a certain level of recognition and if it reaches a certain level it's as if it's getting more attention than something else.

If Fire Emblem were to get three character that would mean that it's more important than Metroid and just as important as Kirby and Star Fox! It's like saying that Fire Emblem is even close to being as popular as Zelda which only has four! (This is directed towards nobody in particular.)
No...it doesn't mean that at all. The roster we have now doesn't even reflect such ideals, so we have no reason to believe that next roster will.
Now, maybe people are not saying it's likely, it's only ideal. Well, I'd argue that it's not. An ideal roster shouldn't be taking into consideration how each franchise compares to one another. An ideal roster, in my mind, should just have a cast of important and fun-to-use characters.

Yeah, I actually think is pretty weird that all the people here think a Fire Emblem newcomer is extremely likely.

I don't consider it "extremely likely." (Granted, I wouldn't say it's extremely unlikely either.)
I personally don't even care except in the case that the next character were to be Anna...which is unlikely, so I remain indifferent.
I can accept one's thoughts on the ideas of whether or not it's likely. Just don't go around saying that it shouldn't happen because Fire Emblem isn't important enough or big enough or whatever.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Louie G.
I don't mind if Fire Emblem characters only use swords, given the Soulcalibur team is helping make this game, and they've made like 3 dozen characters or so that have thrice as many moves as Smash Bros. characters, and most of them are really well done.

Really though, is it any different from fist or kick-wielding characters=???

What I don't like is lazy ideas or ideas that just make no sense, which they likely won't give us in a sword-wielding character.

Oh, cool.

If he has a good moveset and a unique playstyle, I wouldn't complain about his addition.

If not, however, I will complain, just like how I complained about Pit, Meta Knight, and ROB in Brawl (although they've since changed Pit A LOT in Smash Wii U and 3DS... for the better!), especially since there could have been better additions (in Brawl's case, Mewtwo, Ridley, and K. Rool stick out).

 

[Louie G.]

@ Johnknight1
I really don't mid sword wielding characters in general, but a series like Fire Emblem, with such a diverse cast, being tied down to sword-only characters is getting ridiculous.
We need more characters that show different areas of Fire Emblem.
For example, Chrom is a sword wielding lord, but he can do other things with other weapons.
Anna can use a variety of items from her shop, along with misc. items such as a grappling hook and a dagger added in there.
And right now I am actually starting to realize why Robin would be a good addition as well, showing an area of FE not yet represented in Smash Bros.
(Still don't support it though)

Oh, and Tiki can turn into a freaking dragon.
I don't know about you, but that sounds cool to me.

 

[Deleted member]

I would prefer that as well, but honestly, Dixie as a late addition like Wolf-status clone (which is basically like similar proportions and weights and very few borrowed moves) wouldn't be a bad move either.

Assuming we get Diddy (solo) and K. Rool, either Dixie or Cranky would be solid additions to the roster.

Though, if Sakurai is really hell-bent on incorporating the tag-team style he wanted with Diddy/Dixie, Dixie and Kiddy would work just as well.
Leaves Diddy solo, has the gameplay mechanic Sakurai wanted, and references Dixie's time in the spotlight while revivng the original 4th Kong.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Louie G.
It hasn't been ridiculous thus far. Ike and Marth are ridiculously different. They essentially use completely different (melee) weapons.

Roy or Chrom would work if they functioned different. I'm not sure about Chrom, but by his nature, Roy is very different as a sword-wielder than Marth. His sword is also noticeably different.

And alas, with character additions, it's not always "who is more different" but "who is the best".

I mean, the Pokémon Trainer in Brawl was "more different", but virtually no one plays as him, and he clearly wasn't the best idea. Granted, you can improve that idea (I hope they do), but a bad idea is a bad idea forever.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, but...
Nobody likes Kiddy.

 

[Chandeelure]

I would love Anna.
Is she THAT unlikely?
People only think in Chrom, Robin and even Roy.

 

[Johnknight1]

Though, if Sakurai is really hell-bent on incorporating the tag-team style he wanted with Diddy/Dixie, Dixie and Kiddy would work just as well.
Leaves Diddy solo, has the gameplay mechanic Sakurai wanted, and references Dixie's time in the spotlight while revivng the original 4th Kong.

Agreed. The only "tag team" characters that work are either mirrors or near mirrors of each other.

That is why for such a mechanic, Dixie/Tiny (or Kiddy/Chunky) would potentially work where Diddy/Dixie and Dixie/Kiddy would not.

That's also why such a mechanic the only 2 character teams I suggest are Plusle and Minun or the Baby Mario Bros.

 

[Deleted member]

Agreed. The only "tag team" characters that work are either mirrors or near mirrors of each other.

That is why for such a mechanic, Dixie/Tiny (or Kiddy/Chunky) would potentially work where Diddy/Dixie and Dixie/Kiddy would not.

That's also why such a mechanic the only 2 character teams I suggest are Plusle and Minun or the Baby Mario Bros.

Wait, you're saying you're agreeing with me, but saying that Dixie/Kiddy would not work, which is not what I said.

I was saying that instead of Diddy, Sakurai could partner Dixie with Kiddy as means to leave Diddy alone while going with the original style he planned on using a different Kong.

 

[Johnknight1]

I would love Anna.
Is she THAT unlikely?

Let me put it to you this way... She has a 0% shot at being playable. There is literally nothing she could add to the game, and Smash Bros. simply does not have minor characters as playable.

Yeah, but...
Nobody likes Kiddy.

Disagree. I like him, although not as a playable character. It would be interesting to have a short and stout "strong man" character.

Despite that, I would still rather have various other Donkey Kong characters playable first, namely K. Rool, Cranky, Lanky, Dixie, and even Chunky.

I was saying that instead of Diddy, Sakurai could partner Dixie with Kiddy as means to leave Diddy alone while going with the original style he planned on using a different Kong.

Well then let me rephrase myself: Dixie/Kiddy could work, but it wouldn't be ideal, and quite frankly, again, it would probably be better off the separate them, unless someone finds some amazing way to make their lowered stats (weight, power, etc) alone work sooner rather than later.

Again, the only tag team duo characters that IMO would work without much fretting or taking away from either character would be mirror or near mirror characters, such Plusle and Minun and the Baby Mario Bros.

 

[Louie G.]

It would be interesting to have a short and stout "strong man" character.

What about this guy?

Spoiler

Sure he wasn't done entirely right in Brawl (pertaining to this archetype at least), but his whole character revolves around the short and stout strong man.
Or, it used to.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Anna has somewhat of a chance, the merchant has been noticably more prominent in FE while taking charge of the DLC, so IS may suggest Anna so she can become the true star of Fire Emblem.

 

[Louie G.]

Anna has a good role in Fire Emblem.
She's been around since the second game, I believe, but it as Awakening where she really took off as a unique and intriguing character.
I don't find her likely for Smash 4, but such an iconic FE character surely deserves some kind of representation.

 

[Deleted member]

Well then let me rephrase myself: Dixie/Kiddy could work, but it wouldn't be ideal, and quite frankly, again, it would probably be better off the separate them, unless someone finds some amazing way to make their lowered stats (weight, power, etc) alone work sooner rather than later.

Again, the only tag team duo characters that IMO would work without much fretting or taking away from either character would be mirror or near mirror characters, such Plusle and Minun and the Baby Mario Bros.

I see Dixie/Kiddy (or even Diddy/Dixie) working more along the lines of a literal tag-team. You control one, the other follows. You attack with the lead, the following Kong tags in and attacks, and vice-versa. This is judging by what is translated about what Sakurai said in regards to his initial idea.

In this sense, unless you can manually switch the lead and control both Kongs, I see it as there's only one playable Kong. The other merely follows and attacks when tagged or when a combo ability is used (like in the case of Dixie/Kiddy, a move where she rolls on him like a Barrel).
Sort of like Sonic & Tails in Sonic 4 Episode 2.

 

[Pacack]

When it comes to fire emblem characters, why not Tiki? She's as recurrent as Marth and is a manakete, so she'd be more unique than even a mage character like Robin.

 

[Starcutter]

Fire emblem necomers as chosen by me as I like them and remember them and stuff etc

Robin>Tiki>>>Chrom>Roy>>>>>Lyn>>>>>Luciana>>>>>>>Hector>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rebecca>>>>>>Everyone else

 

[YoshiandToad]

When it comes to fire emblem characters, why not Tiki? She's as recurrent as Marth and is a manakete, so she'd be more unique than even a mage character like Robin.

Tiki and Anna are the most reoccurring I think outside Marth, but honestly I see Robin, Chrom or Roy having the better shot, with the latter only due to his huge fanbase over in Japan. If Roy's fire blade can be used more interestingly, then he'd be a sword lord that can function LIKE a mage(for those who dislike Robin).

Honestly I still feel like Chrom has the best chance, despite Robin overall offering more uniqueness(first female, first mage, first non lord, etc*), and Roy having the potential to shoot fireballs from his blade.

I don't really want to get into another infamous Roy Vs. Chrom debate again though.

*Below is a large Awakening spoiler, so click at your peril;

Spoiler

Also arguably the first antagonist, as s/he kills Chrom in the opening cutscene of the game...events transpire slightly differently upon playthrough, but Robin is set up as a vessel for the fell Dragon, Grima, essentially making him/her both a protagonist AND an antagonist

 

[Louie G.]

When it comes to fire emblem characters, why not Tiki? She's as recurrent as Marth and is a manakete, so she'd be more unique than even a mage character like Robin.

Yes, but since Awakening was such a big game for FE I would honestly be surprised to not see a character appear from Awakening.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Yes, but since Awakening was such a big game for FE I would honestly be surprised to not see a character appear from Awakening.

Tiki was in Awakening if that counts (and not as DLC, hell she's on the front cover!)

 

[Louie G.]

Tiki was in Awakening if that counts (and not as DLC)

I mean a brand new Awakening character that is known for advertising said game.
So probably Chrom, maybe Lucina or Robin.
It doesn't really count that much, although it may count for something.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

If you want to get technical, Robin is essentially the secret rep of the Fire Emblem franchise. He/she has been present throughout the series because he/she is the player, the person who causes the battle to be won or lost. Awakening just had this idea manifested into the game as an actual person...you.

 

[Kenith]

If you want to get technical, Robin is essentially the secret rep of the Fire Emblem franchise. He/she has been present throughout the series because he/she is the player, the person who causes the battle to be won or lost. Awakening just had this idea manifested into the game as an actual person...you.

Duuuuude. Mind. Blown.

 

[Starcutter]

If you want to get technical, Robin is essentially the secret rep of the Fire Emblem franchise. He/she has been present throughout the series because he/she is the player, the person who causes the battle to be won or lost. Awakening just had this idea manifested into the game as an actual person...you.

I noticed in GBA FE7 there was an icon signifying this specific character.

it would definitely work as a green palette swap for the Tactitian

 

[Mega Bidoof]

1 day, and we are already back to Fire Emblem discussions.

Well I'm baked bread and ready to discuss me some FE.

In all seriousness, Chrom is going to be the Fire Emblem newcomer, whether he be on a team with Lucina or Robin, or if he is by himself.
We all know it deep down inside, he is getting in Smash 4.

 

[Jaedrik]

Let me put it to you this way... She has a 0% shot at being playable. There is literally nothing she could add to the game, and Smash Bros. simply does not have minor characters as playable.

Why so? Is there really absolutely no chance? There is a lot she not only could, but would add if she was put in. Explain yourself! I would also argue that Anna is no longer a 'minor' character.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, anyone who thinks Chrom will have a bland moveset is not trying hard enough.

Why so? Is there really absolutely no chance? There is a lot she not only could, but would add if she was put in. Explain yourself! I would also argue that Anna is no longer a 'minor' character.

Any Nintendo character has a chance, but that depends on the role they have. In Anna's case, her role is getting bigger in the FE games, so she has a chance.

 

[Kenith]

1 day, and we are already back to Fire Emblem discussions.

Well I'm baked bread and ready to discuss me some FE.

In all seriousness, Chrom is going to be the Fire Emblem newcomer, whether he be on a team with Lucina or Robin, or if he is by himself.
We all know it deep down inside, he is getting in Smash 4.

Lucina still has a chance on her own.

I mean, Lyn got in Brawl as an AT while Hector and Eliwood got the shaft.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I find it hard to say about Anna because let's face it, in FE14 she could easily go back to Secret Shop/Link Arena thing girl and not do anything else.

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

my want roster that has no chance:

ragna nearly made it but i had no spase for him , yellow ones are choces that could be switched out , the little box with dry bowser and wiifit trainer and all is alts.

 

[shrooby]

I would love Anna.
Is she THAT unlikely?
People only think in Chrom, Robin and even Roy.

Unfortunately, she is that unlikely. She hasn't exactly been heavily promoted in the past (at least that I know of), so I doubt IS would randomly start doing so. Unless having various roles in Awakening is supposed to be a sign of things to come, which I don't think is the case
Granted, I would absolutely love to be proven wrong as I love the character and think she is at least a worthy addition.

Anna has a good role in Fire Emblem.
She's been around since the second game, I believe, but it as Awakening where she really took off as a unique and intriguing character.
I don't find her likely for Smash 4, but such an iconic FE character surely deserves some kind of representation.

A little backwards. She's existed since the first game and didn't appear in the second game.
Though I agree, if not playable she should get something. Like, maybe if there's a DLC shop or something her (alongside other famous merchants Tom Nook and Beedle) could run it.

Tiki and Anna are the most reoccurring I think outside Marth, but honestly I see Robin, Chrom or Roy having the better shot, with the latter only due to his huge fanbase over in Japan. If Roy's fire blade can be used more interestingly, then he'd be a sword lord that can function LIKE a mage(for those who dislike Robin).

Nope, Anna is the most reoccurring. More-so than even Marth.
Now, if we limit that to actually significant roles than Marth's got Anna beat.

 

[Kenith]

my want roster that has no chance:

ragna nearly made it but i had no spase for him , yellow ones are choces that could be switched out , the little box with dry bowser and wiifit trainer and all is alts.

Four Mario's and four Links? And eight Zelda characters with no Ghirahim??

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

Four Mario's and four Links? And eight Zelda characters with no Ghirahim??

i knew i forgot some one !

 

[BluePikmin11]

I find it hard to say about Anna because let's face it, in FE14 she could easily go back to Secret Shop/Link Arena thing girl and not do anything else.

Just wait for her role in FE14 Ocarina. Just wait.

 

[Tepig2000]

my want roster that has no chance:

ragna nearly made it but i had no spase for him , yellow ones are choces that could be switched out , the little box with dry bowser and wiifit trainer and all is alts.

Toon Link and Pokémon Trainer are here. I approve.