Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

That Ridley though.

Seriously excellent list! Looks like one of my own. The only thing that makes this list look like a hope list is that Ike is on it. Though I do think he has a strong chance of coming back since he is much more unique than Roy, I just have this bad feeling Chrom will axe him.

If we are keeping Lucario, we're getting Ike too.

Like has just as much precedence as Chrom, IMO.

Edit: Why does autocorrect turn ike into 'like' every time??

 

[The Nerd]

Wii Fit Trainer's quite fast and agile, too, is she not?

This is true. One could also argue Takamaru might be a fast character, some characters are hard to predict in terms of fighting style.
I also took a closer look and realized I wasn't sure how many heavy characters were added; my initial thought was K Rool, Ridley, and Chrom, but it occurs to me I have no idea how Ridley and Chrom could play, Chrom might be a middle ground swordsman and Ridley might be fast and vicious but light, kind of like Mr. Game and Watch.

Takamaru over Zamus? Well, I guess you did say that the fifth character was harder to remove.

 

[Cpt.]

If we are keeping Lucario, we're getting Ike too.

Like has just as much precedence as Chrom, IMO.

Yes Like does doesn't he? haha

I really hope so though. He was one of my fav newcomers in Brawl.

 

[Opossum]

That Ridley though.

Seriously excellent list! Looks like one of my own. The only thing that makes this list look like a hope list is that Ike is on it. Though I do think he has a strong chance of coming back since he is much more unique than Roy, I just have this bad feeling Chrom will axe him.

But Chrom can't use an axe.

That being said, I do find Ike quite likely to return, in all actuality. In regards to Fire Emblem, he's among the most important lords. Clearly Marth is the most important, with four of his own games under his belt, plus being a plotpoint and DLC cameo in another, but Ike is the only other lord to make multiple appearances. He has two games in his own Tellius saga, as well as also being given clear regard in Awakening: his descendant, Priam, is the final character that you recruit. He wields Ragnell and is known for being the descendant of the "hero of the blue flame."

This sort of recognition by Intelligent Systems make Ike out to seem much more important than many would give him credit for.

 

[Rouge]

If we are keeping Lucario, we're getting Ike too.

Like has just as much precedence as Chrom, IMO.

Edit: Why does autocorrect turn ike into 'like' every time??

I like Ike, you like Ike, the autocorrect likes Ike. Everybody likes Ike.

 

[BKupa666]

New thread? I guess I'd better share my opinion, label anyone who disagrees an idiot, and get promptly banned.

RIDLEY IS TOO BI...

Wait, someone's already done it?

...this is awkward.

 

[JamesDNaux]

May as well post this again, to commemorate the new (and hopefully improved ) thread.

Thoughts?

A generally good roster, I don't personally agree with Chrom, but good nonetheless.

And I don't know what that guy was talking about saying it's too big, you seem to be missing four characters.

 

[Kenith]

I like Ike, you like Ike, the autocorrect likes Ike. Everybody likes Ike.

It does it every time, too. I swear autocorrect creates more errors than it fixes.

But yeah, Ike's definitely staying.

 

[FlareHabanero]

But Chrom can't use an axe.

He can if you reclass him as a Dread Fighter.

 

[The Nerd]

A generally good roster, I don't personally agree with Chrom, but good nonetheless.

And I don't know what that guy was talking about saying it's too big, you seem to be missing four characters.

Assuming that set of characters had no clones, then with transformations it was a flat 50. 50 is a lot to balance and map out in terms of characters.

 

[Opossum]

He can if you reclass him as a Dread Fighter.

True, but I was talking about his natural class progression. Technically, can't he get it through Great Knight as well? I could be wrong, but I think he has access to Cavalier classes.

 

[FlareHabanero]

True, but I was talking about his natural class progression. Technically, can't he get it through Great Knight as well? I could be wrong, but I think he has access to Cavalier classes.

Yes, and it's one of two ways you can make him wield an axe.

Chrom technically can gain access to swords, axes, lances, bows, and tomes, but it's impossible to use them all at the same time.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Assuming that set of characters had no clones, then with transformations it was a flat 50. 50 is a lot to balance and map out in terms of characters.

That doesn't mean it can't be done. Sakurai has a far larger team this time anyway, anything less than ten or so newcomers would be extremely lackluster.

 

[Cpt.]

He can if you reclass him as a Dread Fighter.

Sweet! Not wrong unintentionally!

 

[foolssigma]

I'm late, but blue hair discussion can only mean one thing….

Proswagonist

 

[Starcutter]

Tactician for best lord

 

[FlareHabanero]

Tactician for best lord

Not when Landmaster is still around.

 

[Rouge]

Alright, so let's talk about Tom Nook. Back in pre-Brawl, he was certainly one of the most requested newcomers, but now we hardly ever hear about him. Obviously, it's because we have the Villager, but is AC not big enough for a second rep? Maybe it is now that Sakurai is more open. The fact that he appeared in Smashville's background but is nowhere to be seen in the new AC stage is interesting (though it could also point to him having another role such as being an AT). Is AC worthy of two newcomers?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Tom Nook was a popular request?

 

[BKupa666]

Back in pre-Brawl, he was certainly one of the most requested newcomers, but now we hardly ever hear about him.

I've heard this meme tossed around a few times now, and from an observer at the time...he wasn't really? I could name off at least fifteen newcomers who were requested more than Tom Nook back then, and it was always Villager who had the two mentions in Sakurai's Journal.

Him being hardly heard of nowadays is a testament to how many people were supporting him solely because "Reps" and not for the character himself.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'm late, but blue hair discussion can only mean one thing….

Proswagonist

Proswagonist for Sm4sh!

Alright, so let's talk about Tom Nook. Back in pre-Brawl, he was certainly one of the most requested newcomers, but now we hardly ever hear about him. Obviously, it's because we have the Villager, but is AC not big enough for a second rep? Maybe it is now that Sakurai is more open. The fact that he appeared in Smashville's background but is nowhere to be seen in the new AC stage is interesting (though it could also point to him having another role such as being an AT). Is AC worthy of two newcomers?

Hopefully. But what about Mr. Resetti and K.K Slider

 

[Rouge]

Tom Nook was a popular request?

He definitely was. But I think what people wanted was mostly an AC character which may be the reason why he's fallen off the face of the Earth now.

 

[FlareHabanero]

He definitely was. But I think what people wanted was mostly an AC character which may be the reason why he's fallen off the face of the Earth now.

Don't know what bizarro dimension you were in, but Tom Nook was never a popular request.

 

[Rouge]

Well it's been a long while, so my memory may be fuzzy (plus I was more active lurking in the Nintendo forums before it went kaput and then Brawl Central), but I just looked at the Brawl character forum and his thread had 35 pages despite a relatively early disconfirmation (through Smashville) so he was definitely much more requested than he is now.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Giovanni 4 Smash Bros 4 Wii U and 3DS. With a Meowth, a Marowak and a Nisoqueen, he vows to defeat the twerp that ruined his organization along with his experiment that got away!

Is he a good idea?

Tom Nook isn't requested because we know have an Animal Crossing character. He was requested because Sakurai rejected the idea of the Villager.

With Villager now confirmed, his chances are dead.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think Tom Nook was requested solely because Sakurai had shot down the Villager. Now that the Villager is in, most of his "fanbase" has defected to the Villager's side, so to speak.

 

[Cpt.]

Giovanni 4 Smash Bros 4 Wii U and 3DS. With a Meowth, a Marowak and a Nisoqueen, he vows to defeat the twerp that ruined his organization along with his experiment that got away!

Is he a good idea?

Also, Nook is dead with Villager.

Giovanni would be really cool to see. NIDOQUEEN!

 

[Autumn ♫]

Giovanni 4 Smash Bros 4 Wii U and 3DS. With a Meowth, a Marowak and a Nisoqueen, he vows to defeat the twerp that ruined his organization along with his experiment that got away!

Is he a good idea?

Also, Nook is dead with Villager.

It has Marowak and Meowth, of course it's a good idea.

 

[Starcutter]

I think Tom Nook was requested solely because Sakurai had shot down the Villager. Now that the Villager is in, most of his "fanbase" has defected to the Villager's side, so to speak.

*cough*

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Reminder: Please only post appropriate pictures in here so no memes, .gifs, reaction pics, etc. Rosters and character images to illustrate a point or to reference a character is ok.

Tom Nook had moderate popularity prior to Villager being revealed but, during pre-Brawl, I remember Tom Nook being second behind the Villager. I feel that he was the go-to character prior to the Villager just...because of Sakurai' comment regarding the Villager being innocent and that innocence shattered by fighting.

He was kind of like "What about an AC newcomer? Villager is out so....how about Tom Nook?"

I would like to see him playable regardless. That guy would be the perfect villain.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry to change subject like this, but going off my thoughts about Mewtwo possibly being given the Newcomer label on technicality, it raised another thought.

....If Diddy and Dixie ARE in a tag-team like Sakurai initially planned in Brawl, wouldn't they theoretically be a Newcoming team?

 

[Manny Toons]

Sorry to change subject like this, but going off my thoughts about Mewtwo possibly being given the Newcomer label on technicality, it raised another thought.

....If Diddy and Dixie ARE in a tag-team like Sakurai initially planned in Brawl, wouldn't they theoretically be a Newcoming team?

Yes, I assume. Since the title of the character would no longer be "Diddy Kong", but "Diddy and Dixie" or "Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong", technically a different (new) character. Would still be weird regardless. I prefer my Diddy Kong single. >.>

 

[N3ON]

To go off of what Venus said, no memes please @ SmasherMaster , even Smash Bros ones.

 

[BKupa666]

While I don't know whether Mewtwo or a Diddy-Dixie duo would technically earn the label of newcomer, I do believe both would get new trailers, which makes them functionally newcomers for better or for worse.

 

[UltimateWario]

Does anyone else feel as though Diddy + Dixie is an inevitability?

It's something Sakurai wanted to do, but didn't have time/resources to. Now he's got just that, and all the reason in the world to bring Dixie into Smash. That, and his preference to unique characters this time around may prevent him from adding Dixie alone, who would likely be a semi-clone at best.

I theorize that people only want Diddy alone because that's the way we got him the first time; if the events had occurred in the opposite order, I feel like people would be demanding that Diddy stay paired with Dixie. I'm more than apt to be wrong, of course. Not trying to force words into anyones' mouths or opinions into their heads.

 

[The Nerd]

Eh, I'm not huge into pair-characters anyways, so maybe I'm just biased, but I don't see Diddy + Dixie ever as a thing I would really want. I also grew up, for the most part, on the Nintendo 64 and more specifically with DK64; Diddy was one of my favourite characters in that game, and on the flip side I feel no real interest in Dixie. I'm probably in the minority for that case though. xD

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

 

[shrooby]

Does anyone else feel as though Diddy + Dixie is an inevitability?

It's something Sakurai wanted to do, but didn't have time/resources to. Now he's got just that, and all the reason in the world to bring Dixie into Smash. That, and his preference to unique characters this time around may prevent him from adding Dixie alone, who would likely be a semi-clone at best.

I theorize that people only want Diddy alone because that's the way we got him the first time; if the events had occurred in the opposite order, I feel like people would be demanding that Diddy stay paired with Dixie. I'm more than apt to be wrong, of course. Not trying to force words into anyones' mouths or opinions into their heads.

I could go on and on about reasons that I don't want it to happen.
I believe that Diddy is good enough to be his own character. I grew up with Diddy as him being his own entity and not being just a part of a pair and blablablah.
And one of those reasons I'm so against the idea goes along with your theory.
But, in the end, it doesn't really matter. It's something that I don't want to accept as a possibility, but have to for the sake of it being a likely one.
I find it rather sad though. Sakurai has expressed interest in making past fans happy by trying his best to not cut characters.
One could interpret a new Diddy-Dixie duo as Diddy being "cut." Though it'd be more like, if you'd excuse my fuzzy logic, he would be and he wouldn't be at the same time.
Diddy would get cut in the sense that his playstyle would have to be changed drastically changed to accommodate his new pair situation. No doubt some of his moves would have to be changed. Basically, the point here is that the current Diddy would get "cut."
Now, of course, Diddy the character is still their. In that way, I couldn't complain that he was "cut" in the sense that a character as important as Diddy was not included because, of course, he's still there.
I'd love to continue thinking that "Sakurai knows best," and that he knows that people have grown accustomed to a character's playstyle. I mean, surely he realizes that if he goes through with it that he'd be altering Diddy to such an extent would be as if the Diddy we have now is being cut, right?
Well, I'd like to think that. I'd really like to think that. But I'm not going to claim to know how he thinks. All I know is that he went along with his original plan he'd, in my eyes, be going against what he said wanting to satisfy fans of existing characters.
Though, I'd still like remain in my "deluded," as some may possibly call it, world where it's more likely that Diddy will stay solo. At least I could remain a little happier until the hypothetical reveal were happen.
Ugh, this is such a depressing subject for me. More depressing than Toad.

 

[Deleted member]

Idea for a Pokémon Newcomer I saw from Gamefaqs:

Spoiler

....Though unlike PT, he'd fight directly while being able to summon Torkoal, Golurk, or Sigilyph to assist in some attacks.
And unlike the idea on Gamefaqs, Floette would be part of a victory pose.

Unorthodox, but I kind of like it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Second mega man character?

Bass, protoman, cut man or guts man?

Bass - Mega man's evil rival, built by Wily
Proto man - Mega man's older brother
Cut man - appears in the most media, "most popular" RM
Guts man - Inafune's fav. accounting to all his appearances. 2nd most popular RM