Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

To sum up my stance on current topics

1. Inklings have interesting movepool and surprising popularity for only being played for 1 map of an E3 demo. The real issue is if Sakurai wants to put them in because of the fact that their game has yet to come out and the future of their series is an enigma.
2. Geno's big chance was in Brawl. It passed. We got Mega Man as the previously-thought-incredibly-unlikely 3rd Party Boy of an Automoton fighter with an incredibly overpowered circular blade attack and that is MORE than enough of a fair compromise for me!
3. Bandanna Dee has more promising odds as DLC than Krystal IN MY OPINION because nobody from Kirby was cut from the game (we don't know if Sakurai wants to put multiple characters from one series as DLC), the most of her potential comes from the Star Fox game that fans hate the most... of which SHE barely used any of it and Fox actually used it for 95% of the game, and the fact that Sakurai has kept the Star Fox characters VERY similar because... frankly, in their own games they play nearly identical. Star Fox has been on a decline of popularity and overall importance ever since the N64 with optimistic hopes for Star Fox WiiU which we're not going to see until at BEST winter 2015. Fun Fact: The vast majority of Star Fox's sales are in the NA alone... like... 70-80%... also, Sakurai bias and whatever factors you wanna throw in there. I just don't see Krystal happening.
   
4. Geno was one of the most wildly asked for newcomers in Brawl. There's a story that I can't remember if it was ever confirmed or denied that Square Enix gave the rights to use SMRPG content (including Geno) for Brawl for the exchange of a more predominant Sony-era SE character as well. Due to the track Beware The Forest Mushrooms being a "hidden song" on Brawl's disc, it is likely that this deal was not able to be put through and was ultimately canceled.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJquhSWrYM

 

[Deleted member]

I was referring to Zatch Bell.
I know that already.

If you were trying to make a joke, it fell flat.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well, there's also the fact that he's the definitive main antagonist of he DK series. His trophy description even compares him to Bowser. In that sense, he's not really comparable to a one-shot like Geno.

That's still not enough to justify his inclusion, he is the main villain, but that's just a role, and a role wouldn't strongly infuence Sakurai to add King K. Rool.

If you were trying to make a joke, it fell flat.

I didn't try to make a joke. I was legitimately curious about Zatch Bell (because I never heard of him before).
Then I saw that you were calling Geno the Zatch Bell reject, my bad.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Sorry, but seriously, Geno has 0% chances.

-Unimportant for his franchise
-Appears in ONE old game and has a minor cameo in other.
-Third Party
-His company doesn't care about him
-Not iconic
-His popularity isn't high now
-Has a lot of competition
-Ugly

I still don't understand why he was popular in the Brawl era.

OK first of all there is always a chance.
Also who do you guys think should bet he paper Mario representative besides Paper Mario, Paper Luigi, Paper Peach, or Paper Bowser?

 

[GunGunW]

Okay, I'm a little confused. What kind of character does Bayonetta count as? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party?

Again, not an official poll.

And happened to be a main character from what's considered the best game of all time and a game that's remade every generation.

and she's absolutely gorgeous there's that

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Oh no, you didn't.

Yeah, I'm pretty neutral to both though actually. The only reason I say she has more of a chance is because I, myself, would like to see a more unique Star Fox character than what has been represented, they were on the right track with Wolf...Then he got cut... But Bandana Dee would be pretty awesome also, but there are already 3 super unique Kirby characters, not a single clone.

Okay, I'm a little confused. What kind of character does Bayonetta count as? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party?

Right now, she is considered 3rd party, she is owned by SEGA, that is until Nintendo purchases the IP which is sincerely likely methinks.

 

[theenlightenedone]

So what do we think about a Laquez representative and who it should be? Also What about Andy getting in before fleming and Fleming still getting at? Also what do we think about Kalas getting in to represent Baten Kaitos? (the other major monolith soft franchise)

To sum up my stance on current topics

1. Inklings have interesting movepool and surprising popularity for only being played for 1 map of an E3 demo. The real issue is if Sakurai wants to put them in because of the fact that their game has yet to come out and the future of their series is an enigma.
2. Geno's big chance was in Brawl. It passed. We got Mega Man as the previously-thought-incredibly-unlikely 3rd Party Boy of an Automoton fighter with an incredibly overpowered circular blade attack and that is MORE than enough of a fair compromise for me!
3. Bandanna Dee has more promising odds as DLC than Krystal IN MY OPINION because nobody from Kirby was cut from the game (we don't know if Sakurai wants to put multiple characters from one series as DLC), the most of her potential comes from the Star Fox game that fans hate the most... of which SHE barely used any of it and Fox actually used it for 95% of the game, and the fact that Sakurai has kept the Star Fox characters VERY similar because... frankly, in their own games they play nearly identical. Star Fox has been on a decline of popularity and overall importance ever since the N64 with optimistic hopes for Star Fox WiiU which we're not going to see until at BEST winter 2015. Fun Fact: The vast majority of Star Fox's sales are in the NA alone... like... 70-80%... also, Sakurai bias and whatever factors you wanna throw in there. I just don't see Krystal happening.
   
4. Geno was one of the most wildly asked for newcomers in Brawl. There's a story that I can't remember if it was ever confirmed or denied that Square Enix gave the rights to use SMRPG content (including Geno) for Brawl for the exchange of a more predominant Sony-era SE character as well. Due to the track Beware The Forest Mushrooms being a "hidden song" on Brawl's disc, it is likely that this deal was not able to be put through and was ultimately canceled.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJquhSWrYM

Geno in my opinion is a second party character. Also Everybody forgets how humble Sakurai is. He didn't put King Dedede in 64 or Melee because he didn't want to over represent his own franchise.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Everyone saying Geno is Second Party is literally going against fact.

Stop saying that.

 

[Burruni]

Okay, I'm a little confused. What kind of character does Bayonetta count as? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party?



and she's absolutely gorgeous there's that

Bayonetta, starting as a cross-platform series who has a sequel that is WiiU exclusive still makes her third party... as is Wonder Red, despite that his series is Nintendo-exclusive.

First Party: Game whose characters and the company making the game are owned by Nintendo.
Second Party: Game whose characters are owned by Nintendo, is exclusive to Nintendo, and there is some contractual "loyalty" of the makers to Nintendo. (The companies whose names are in the credits that aren't third party are those whose series are Second Party, to simplify),
Third Party: Nintendo owns neither the characters nor the company.

Edit

So what do we think about a Laquez representative and who it should be? Also What about Andy getting in before fleming and Fleming still getting at? Also what do we think about Kalas getting in to represent Baten Kaitos? (the other major monolith soft franchise)


Geno in my opinion is a second party character. Also Everybody forgets how humble Sakurai is. He didn't put King Dedede in 64 or Melee because he didn't want to over represent his own franchise.

1) We're not getting one because LAGUZ (there is no "e" in the name and I've tried to show that in previous points), Taguel, and/or Manakete characters are not big enough in Fire Emblem nor will Sm4sh handle any transformation characters. We settled this before. Ranulf would be the best choice for one but we're not getting one this game, even as DLC.
2) Kalas is VERY unlikely because Xenoblade Chronicles has Operation Rainfall, how difficult it still is to get a copy due to raw demand, and how big Nintendo's putting into Xenoblade Chronicles X behind it. Shulk got in because of how major Xenoblade Chronicles is in Nintendo's growing history, not because it was made by Monolith Soft.
3) Geno is third party because the rights to him are owned by Square Enix. In his only other appearance (as a cameo in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga), Square Enix are in the credits because of the usage of Geno. He is third party, end of discussion.
4) King Dedede was planned in both 64 & Melee but was dropped due to time constraints. Bowser, Pit, and Mewtwo had this issue in 64 as well. It is clear due to the massive Kid Icarus: Uprising content in this game that he has become more proud in his other series, for better or worse.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Actually @ Burruni ...

Wonderful 101 is owned by Nintendo making it first party.

Furthermore, Nintendo wholly owns the companies of HAL and APE INC. This makes Kirby and Mother first party as well.

Pokemon is second party because Nintendo doesn't own Game Freak. Although technically second party isn't a thing. In reality it's either first party or third party but you catch my drift.

Bayonetta is indeed Third party though.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Bayonetta, starting as a cross-platform series who has a sequel that is WiiU exclusive still makes her third party... as is Wonder Red, despite that his series is Nintendo-exclusive.

First Party: Game whose characters and the company making the game are owned by Nintendo.
Second Party: Game whose characters are owned by Nintendo, is exclusive to Nintendo, and there is some contractual "loyalty" of the makers to Nintendo. (The companies whose names are in the credits that aren't third party are those whose series are Second Party, to simplify),
Third Party: Nintendo owns neither the characters nor the company.

Edit



1) We're not getting one because LAGUZ (there is no "e" in the name and I've tried to show that in previous points), Taguel, and/or Manakete characters are not big enough in Fire Emblem nor will Sm4sh handle any transformation characters. We settled this before. Ranulf would be the best choice for one but we're not getting one this game, even as DLC.
2) Kalas is VERY unlikely because Xenoblade Chronicles has Operation Rainfall, how difficult it still is to get a copy due to raw demand, and how big Nintendo's putting into Xenoblade Chronicles X behind it. Shulk got in because of how major Xenoblade Chronicles is in Nintendo's growing history, not because it was made by Monolith Soft.
3) Geno is third party because the rights to him are owned by Square Enix. In his only other appearance (as a cameo in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga), Square Enix are in the credits because of the usage of Geno. He is third party, end of discussion.
4) King Dedede was planned in both 64 & Melee but was dropped due to time constraints. Bowser, Pit, and Mewtwo had this issue in 64 as well. It is clear due to the massive Kid Icarus: Uprising content in this game that he has become more proud in his other series, for better or worse.

I was pretty sure there was an e and also ok so Ranulf then and also that means they will have to create two characters since transformations are no longer in the game.
Kalas would represent a major franchise that everyone is requesting a sequel to from its gamecube version. They release a prequel but never a sequel.
Geno is still a very popular and highly requested character.
King Dedede was considered but cut because Sakurai was humble and didn't want to over represent his own franchise and also pit wasn't considered for 64 just Bowser, Mewtwo, King Dedede, Peach, Wario, and Meowth. Also the reason for a lot of Kid Icarus enemies in Smash Run was because of the large number of models that were already coded for the 3DS.

Actually @ Burruni ...

Wonderful 101 is owned by Nintendo making it first party.

Furthermore, Nintendo wholly owns the companies of HAL and APE INC. This makes Kirby and Mother first party as well.

Pokemon is second party because Nintendo doesn't own Game Freak. Although technically second party isn't a thing. In reality it's either first party or third party but you catch my drift.

Bayonetta is indeed Third party though.

Second party is when you own part of the company but not all of it.
hmm. how did this end up being posted separately?

 

[theenlightenedone]

Actually @ Burruni ...

Wonderful 101 is owned by Nintendo making it first party.

Furthermore, Nintendo wholly owns the companies of HAL and APE INC. This makes Kirby and Mother first party as well.

Pokemon is second party because Nintendo doesn't own Game Freak. Although technically second party isn't a thing. In reality it's either first party or third party but you catch my drift.

Bayonetta is indeed Third party though.

Second party is when you own part of the company but not all of it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wonderful 101 was created by Platinum Games, I'm sure they are 2nd party.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Wonderful 101 was created by Platinum Games, I'm sure they are 2nd party.

No it's first just like Bayonetta is a SEGA first party. @ Swamp Sensei is right, 2nd party IPs do not exist, the only thing that's closely feasible to 2nd party is Pokemon and that's still 1st.
Note: any series funded by Nintendo is usually 1st party that means Pokemon, Wonderful 101, Mario, Zelda etc. Unless the IP is already owned by another company a la Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge

 

[theenlightenedone]

Wonderful 101 was created by Platinum Games, I'm sure they are 2nd party.

Not exactly it was a game idea Nintendo had and outsourced it to Platinum Games making it second party.

No it's first just like Bayonetta is a SEGA first party. @ Swamp Sensei is right, 2nd party IPs do not exist, the only thing that's closely feasible to 2nd party is Pokemon and that's still 1st.
Note: any series funded by Nintendo is usually 1st party that means Pokemon, Wonderful 101, Mario, Zelda etc. Unless the IP is already owned by another company a la Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge

So why aren't third party companies called second party companies then? because there can be a third party unless there is a first then a second party.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

To settle this right now, here is how it works, there are no 2nd party IPs only 2nd party companies. 2nd party companies are companies hired or owned by a company to make a 1st party title or series. A 3rd party developer can be hired as a 2nd party to make a 1st party game or series, which means Platinum games, a freelance 3rd party developer, was hired by Nintendo as a 2nd party developer to make a 1st party series/game, The Wonderful 101.

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

2nd party IPs are IPs where the rights are split between the 2nd party developer and the 1st party publisher. Like Pokemon (though Pokemon is a bit more complicated). Or like any IP where the copyright for characters is listed as Nintendo plus that 2nd party.

I see no reason not to think W101 isn't a second-party IP, unless I missed where it lists Nintendo as the sole copyright holders to the character rights.

A first party IP is an IP held entirely by Nintendo, or Nintendo and a subsidiary Nintendo owns the majority share in.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

2nd party IPs are IPs where the rights are split between the 2nd party developer and the 1st party publisher. Like Pokemon (though Pokemon is a bit more complicated). Or like any IP were the copyright for characters is listed as Nintendo plus that 2nd party.

I see no reason not to think W101 isn't a second-party IP, unless I missed where it lists Nintendo as the sole copyright holders to the character rights.

A first party IP is an IP held entirely by Nintendo, or Nintendo and a subsidiary Nintendo owns the majority share in.

Read my post above, even with split shares, it still remains first party. Believe me on this my friends I've done my research far more than I should have on this even going so far as seeing how it works in the fracking stock market.

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

Read my post above, even with split shares, it still remains first party. Believe me on this my friends I've done my research far more than I should have on this even going so far as seeing how it works in the fracking stock market.

Pokemon has split shares and isn't completely owned by Nintendo.

 

[AEMehr]

That's still not enough to justify his inclusion, he is the main villain, but that's just a role, and a role wouldn't strongly infuence Sakurai to add King K. Rool.

No, gameplay potential generally is the deciding factor. And as far as I can tell, K. Rool has got plenty of moveset potential.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Pokemon has split shares and isn't completely owned by Nintendo.

I...Know...That's what I just said. But it remains a 1st party game as Game Freak and the Pokemon Company can NOT do anything with the IP without the consent of Nintendo, it just can't and won't happen. If they could do that it would make Pokemon a 3rd party IP.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Pokemon has split shares and isn't completely owned by Nintendo.

Yeah, but it's still first party legally.

Smash fans are literally the only people who use the term Second Party.

It doesn't exist. The correct term is a shared IP but that's still considered First Party.

Wonderful 101 was created by Platinum Games, I'm sure they are 2nd party.

Nintendo owns the IP though. First Party. Platinum were the developers not the publishers. Research how this stuff works.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So why aren't third party companies called second party companies then? because there can be a third party unless there is a first then a second party.

Alright, here we go, let's use SEGA as an example as they are the best example for it. They are 3rd party because they are individually owned right? But since they own Atlus that makes SEGA the 1st party to Atlus. Any other company outside their general owned family would be third party TO THEM, so Nintendo would be a 3rd party to SEGA. So let's say SEGA somehow hires Nintendo to make a game for them and only them, that would make Nintendo their temporary 2nd party who will develop a 1st party game for SEGA.
Phew...

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

I...Know...That's what I just said. But it remains a 1st party game as Game Freak and the Pokemon Company can NOT do anything with the IP without the consent of Nintendo, it just can't and won't happen. If they could do that it would make Pokemon a 3rd party IP.

But on the other hand, Nintendo can't do anything with the IP without the consent of the 2nd party. It goes both ways, because they all hold the rights.
If Pokemon were 1st-party, Sakurai wouldn't need to consult or deal with GF over the Pokemon content (though he still would for assets and the like, but he wouldn't need to), he could just go through Nintendo itself.

And if IPs made by 2nd parties are 1st party, why didn't Nintendo retain the rights to the Rare IPs?

I agree the IPs can't be used without consent from Nintendo, because Nintendo does own a partial percent of the IP, but if it were a first party IP, why is the 2nd/3rd party listed as a copyright holder for its characters as well?

EDIT: Fine, shared IP, the meaning is still the same.

 

[theenlightenedone]

But on the other hand, Nintendo can't do anything with the IP without the consent of the 2nd party. It goes both ways, because they all hold the rights.
If Pokemon were 1st-party, Sakurai wouldn't need to consult or deal with GF over the Pokemon content (though he still would for assets and the like, but he wouldn't need to), he could just go through Nintendo itself.

And if IPs made by 2nd parties are 1st party, why didn't Nintendo retain the rights to the Rare IPs?

I agree the IPs can't be used without consent from Nintendo, because Nintendo does own a partial percent of the IP, but if it were a first party IP, why is the 2nd/3rd party listed as a copyright holder for its characters as well?

Exactly just like how Square can't use Geno for anything without their consent.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

But on the other hand, Nintendo can't do anything with the IP without the consent of the 2nd party. It goes both ways, because they all hold the rights.
If Pokemon were 1st-party, Sakurai wouldn't need to consult or deal with GF over the Pokemon content (though he still would for assets and the like, but he wouldn't need to), he could just go through Nintendo itself.

And if IPs made by 2nd parties are 1st party, why didn't Nintendo retain the rights to the Rare IPs?

I agree the IPs can't be used without consent from Nintendo, because Nintendo does own a partial percent of the IP, but if it were a first party IP, why is the 2nd/3rd party listed as a copyright holder for its characters as well?

Nintendo did NOT fund Rare's individual IPs, only published them. And Pokemon is a 1st Party to Game Freak and Pokemon Company, making it a shared 1st party IP.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Nintendo did NOT fund Rare's individual IPs, only published them. And Pokemon is a 1st Party to Game Freak and Pokemon Company, making it a shared 1st party IP.

They did fund them and they owned 49% of them making them second party. The problem happen when The brothers who owned Rare didn't want to worry about the business aspect anymore and just focus on game and have more financial resources so they wanted to sell out to Nintendo but Nintendo stupidly refused and this is for unknown reason and so the brothers sold to Microsoft and then they left because conditions weren't as free over then and they no longer had the limitless creative control the experienced with Nintendo and wasn't fun for them anymore and they regretted it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

They did fund them and they owned 49% of them making them second party. The problem happen when The brothers who owned Rare didn't want to worry about the business aspect anymore and just focus on game and have more financial resources so they wanted to sell out to Nintendo but Nintendo stupidly refused and this is for unknown reason and so the brothers sold to Microsoft and then they left because conditions weren't as free over then and they no longer had the limitless creative control the experienced with Nintendo and wasn't fun for them anymore and they regretted it.

They owned 49% of the company at the time, and they sold it. They did NOT, however, fund their individual IPs. Rare funded their own IPs.

 

[theenlightenedone]

They owned 49% of the company at the time, and they sold it. They did NOT, however, fund their individual IPs. Rare funded their own IPs.

Reread my post i covered that.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Reread my post i covered that.

Right I see what you're saying, Rare wanted to sell out to Nintendo so they could handle the funding and business aspect, but they refused and were bought out by Microsoft. But even still RareWare games were only funded by Nintendo when it was a Nintendo IP. Take Conker for example it was developed using no funds whatsoever from Nintendo. Rare had a hard time getting Nintendo to publish it, they wound up getting Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Japan to publish it but were forced to look to THQ to publish it in Europe, after Nintendo of Europe refused. I hope this cleared up any thing that was misconstrued.
Edit: scratch that, it looks like Rare actually published it themselves in NA/JP

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

Even if W101 is a shared IP, and a first-party Nintendo IP, Nintendo still doesn't hold the complete rights to it. Which was my point, though I called it a second-party IP.

Even if my terminology was wrong, the W101 IP works akin to what I described a 2nd-party IP as, an IP held between two different parties, one of which isn't owned by Nintendo. Otherwise Platinum wouldn't be listed under the copyright.
If it's a first party IP in name, it's a second party IP in practice.

It doesn't matter who funds the game, it matter who ends up holding the rights. Usually one goes along with the other, but they're still two separate pieces.

They did NOT, however, fund their individual IPs. Rare funded their own IPs.

And how do you know that's not the case with other 2nd-parties working with Nintendo?

 

[GunGunW]

The more that I think about it, Id rather see newcomers than veterans as DLC at this point.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Even if W101 is a shared IP, and a first-party Nintendo IP, Nintendo still doesn't hold the complete rights to it. Which was my point, though I called it a second-party IP.

Even if my terminology was wrong, the W101 IP works akin to what I described a 2nd-party IP as, an IP held between two different parties, one of which isn't owned by Nintendo. Otherwise Platinum wouldn't be listed under the copyright.
If it's a first party IP in name, it's a second party IP in practice.

It doesn't matter who funds the game, it matter who ends up holding the rights. Usually one goes along with the other, but they're still two separate pieces.


And how do you know that's not the case with other 2nd-parties working with Nintendo?

I would love to continue this conversation in a Private Chat if you would like, however, I don't think we should continue it here invite me to a chat and I will answer your question there. Let's just leave this thread as is. Also, anyone who would like to join on the conversation should join the chat as well.

 

[Dizzy_Fool]

Nintendo owns the IP though. First Party. Platinum were the developers not the publishers. Research how this stuff works.

First party no longer means Nintendo owns the whole IP. Obv they own some of it.

Also second party isn't just a Smash term.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Second party, only I know of is Pokemon, so I have nothing to say about 2nd party characters, but is Fire Emblem 2nd party?

Edit: Sorry about that, I first mistook this for the Social Thread.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

First party no longer means Nintendo owns the whole IP. Obv they own some of it.

Also second party isn't just a Smash term.

Please, man, I answered allot of your questions in the convo I sent you, please don't continue the conversation here.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Did tons of people actually request him?
This is the first I heard about this character being requested.

Which character?

 

[ChronoBound]

Anyone know what Japan thinks of possible DLC? Do they still like Roy? Do they care at all that Wolf and Lucas were cut? That knowledge might help us going forward. I know @ ChronoBound compiled the information for the old "what Japan thinks" thread, but I would love to know what they think post-release.

I am pretty much done with speculation. However, considering how much they seem to love cut veterans that are their own people, I imagine that there are plenty upset about Wolf and Lucas being cut. Keep in mind Wolf was among the most wanted characters for Brawl in Japan as well. I imagine that the Roy fanbase there still has their fingers crossed since Mewtwo and Dr. Mario came back.

They also want a DK newcomer, though I think its in favor of Dixie over K. Rool, much in how K. Rool is over Dixie here (both are highly requested here, but K. Rool more so). Bandanna Dee is also enjoying more support due to having another role in a commercially well-received Kirby title.

I don't see any other proper newcomers having support. Everyone else they wanted pretty much got in terms of newcomers outside a DK character (and to a lesser extent Bandanna Dee). Keep in mind there are also very few characters even in the West that enjoy a lot of support. It would probably look the same as it does on the Japanese side with the exception of our support of Isaac.

 

[theenlightenedone]

I am pretty much done with speculation. However, considering how much they seem to love cut veterans that are their own people, I imagine that there are plenty upset about Wolf and Lucas being cut. Keep in mind Wolf was among the most wanted characters for Brawl in Japan as well. I imagine that the Roy fanbase there still has their fingers crossed since Mewtwo and Dr. Mario came back.

They also want a DK newcomer, though I think its in favor of Dixie over K. Rool, much in how K. Rool is over Dixie here (both are highly requested here, but K. Rool more so). Bandanna Dee is also enjoying more support due to having another role in a commercially well-received Kirby title.

I don't see any other proper newcomers having support. Everyone else they wanted pretty much got in terms of newcomers outside a DK character (and to a lesser extent Bandanna Dee). Keep in mind there are also very few characters even in the West that enjoy a lot of support. It would probably look the same as it does on the Japanese side with the exception of our support of Isaac.

Don't forget Ray (Custom Robo)

 

[ChronoBound]

Don't forget Ray (Custom Robo)

Ray has negligible support. Pretty much support for DLC is a veteran fest if your name isn't K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Isaac, or Bandanna Dee.