Character Discussion Thread

[ultimatekoopa]

These guys:

Most of these are really unlikey, but they are plausible.

How is Geno plausible? He is a one shot 3rd party character from a rpg that is 18 years old

 

[Burruni]

These guys:

Most of these are really unlikey, but they are plausible.

Wolf, Lucas, Dixie, Krystal, Bandana Dee, Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Impa,and Anna were on my list.
Tharja has a very insignificant part of Awakening, no matter her popularity. With Robin getting tomes including Dark, her niche was taken for gameplay. Roy is dead because only a minority of Smash fans want him back. A large amount of the Fire Emblem community doesn't care for him.
Squirtle and Ivy were two I really enjoyed in Brawl but I don't see them coming. Pichu is a throwaway character whose only redeeming part was cuteness.
Fiora could only work with the Mecha Fiora which was already spoiled as a trophy but even still I don't see her as too likely. Granted, I forgot to add her as the only plausible DLC for Xenoblade.
Young Link got flat-out replaced by Toon Link and has no point of returning.
Cranky is a character I'd love to see but isn't likely enough.
Captain Toad I can't see as a playable character and the Mario series is pushing as is. Paper Mario has basically fallen out since the Gamecube and the stage + trophies feels fair for what the series is. It's more than the Mario & Luigi RPG games.
Kid Icarus has some potential in Hades and Medusa, but I can't see them happening.
Masked Man was two interesting fights in Mother 3 and an important character. But since Mother 3 dropped a character and ITS STAGE, I really don't see M.M. becoming DLC.
I stand by what I said about Punch Out for King Hippo.
Every other character there is either the first of their series, retro, or third party.

Edit: I said that list was only for new characters in old series (I forgot Xenoblade Chronicles), retros were fairly open because of how much they are an enigma, and I believe that, through contractual issues, third party DLC will not happen.

 

[theenlightenedone]

You seem to have missed where Kriven said if a Laguz was to be added. Not that one should be added.

Also saying a class is the most logical representation is like saying a certain Pokemon type is the most logical representation. Smash doesn't work like that. We don't get types because they're that type, we don't get classes because they're that class, we get characters who happen to be from a certain type or class.

They represent a whole other aspect of the game is what I mean. I see The 3 logical reps from fire emblem being guys with swords or just some sort of weapon, Sorcerers (how I knew it wouldn't be from but either a sorcerer or laguez), or laguez.

 

[Burruni]

They represent a whole other aspect of the game is what I mean. I see The 3 logical reps from fire emblem being guys with swords or just some sort of weapon, Sorcerers (how I knew it wouldn't be from but either a sorcerer or laguez), or laguez.

Looking at Fire Emblem...and even Smash as a whole, the bigger issues is that we have no Lance user. The transformation characters are very minor. You have often only one or two in your team for any game and just wouldn't translate well into this gen of Smash in any regard due to the inability of switching movesets within a character.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

These guys:

Most of these are really unlikey, but they are plausible.

(Sees Tails, Knickles, Geno, Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Rayman, Layton, Simon Belmont, Bayonetta, Snake, and whoever the hell that is between Phoenix and Rayman)

This time you really have too many third party characters.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Looking at Fire Emblem...and even Smash as a whole, the bigger issues is that we have no Lance user. The transformation characters are very minor. You have often only one or two in your team for any game and just wouldn't translate well into this gen of Smash in any regard due to the inability of switching movesets within a character.

I know that is why they will be creating would previously would have been a transformation character but instead making two separate ones. Also what do you think of Kalas becoming a playable character representing the other major franchise Monolith makes Baten Kaitos? Also what do you think of Andy becoming playable to represent Intelligent system's other major franchise Advanced Wars because Advanced Wars deserves a playable character before STEAM does with Fleming don't you guys think?

 

[BluePikmin11]

(Sees Tails, Knickles, Geno, Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Rayman, Layton, Simon Belmont, Bayonetta, Snake, and whoever the hell that is between Phoenix and Rayman)

This time you really have too many third party characters.

That's not my prediction list, those are just the possible choices for DLC.

 

[False Sense]

That's not my prediction list, those are just the possible choices for DLC.

In that case, you have a lot more characters you need to add.

"Possible" is quite a broad term.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

That's not my prediction list, those are just the possible choices for DLC.

Yeah, but I don't see even half of those third party choices as possible

 

[BluePikmin11]

The possible choices I added has certain restrictions such as being at least a notable, important and/or major Nintendo character or having an upcoming game. For third parties, their series have to at least had a good connection with Nintendo and a popular, and/or recognizable IP.

 

[theenlightenedone]

Yeah, but I don't see even half of those third party choices as possible

ok what do you think of my last post? I do agree that some of his choices are weird and don't make sense but he is entitled to his own opinion. So whats you opinion of my previous post?
hmm.. I wonder why my signature isn't appearing?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

ok what do you think of my last post? I do agree that some of his choices are weird and don't make sense but he is entitled to his own opinion. So whats you opinion of my previous post?
hmm.. I wonder why my signature isn't appearing?

Once per page, anyhow, I'll make a roster of peoples I think are good candidates for DLC. I'll TRY to limit myself (Not even gonna have Masked Man on it.....most likely xD)

 

[theenlightenedone]

Once per page, anyhow, I'll make a roster of peoples I think are good candidates for DLC. I'll TRY to limit myself (Not even gonna have Masked Man on it.....most likely xD)

Thank you. Also what do you think of adding a laguez to as a playable character? Also what do you think of Kalas becoming a playable character representing the other major franchise Monolith makes Baten Kaitos? Also what do you think of Andy becoming playable to represent Intelligent system's other major franchise Advanced Wars because Advanced Wars deserves a playable character before STEAM does with Fleming don't you guys think?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Thank you. Also what do you think of adding a laguez to as a playable character? Also what do you think of Kalas becoming a playable character representing the other major franchise Monolith makes Baten Kaitos? Also what do you think of Andy becoming playable to represent Intelligent system's other major franchise Advanced Wars because Advanced Wars deserves a playable character before STEAM does with Fleming don't you guys think?

What do I think? I think you ask too many questions!!! XD

The only one of those I have any knowledge on is Andy. I think he'd be cool, but only if Isaac, Ray, and Saki all come first.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What do I think? I think you ask too many questions!!! XD

The only one of those I have any knowledge on is Andy. I think he'd be cool, but only if Isaac, Ray, and Saki all come first.

Surprisingly, I agree with everything you just said. Seeing that Saki didn't get upgraded is a kind of bummer, really, but apparently there is still no RAY or Isaac Assist trophy so it's looking up for those two. In fact I don't think there's been a single reference to Custom Robo and Isaac only has a song on Norfair, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are we talking people we think have a chance?

Brawl Vet Tier: (S Tier):

No reason to not bring those two back.

A Tier: , Dixie Kong / K.Rool

I think Snake is easier to get back then people think. I'm sure he's at least being talked about especially since Kojima gave the okay. I expect a Donkey Kong character to be DLC. However, I only think we're getting one.

B Tier: Chibi-Robo, Isaac, Inkling?, Zelda Newcomer

These three are all new series. Inkling is only there because of promotional purposes. I'm rather unsure about them. But I can definitely see it happening. Isaac has popularity going for him but he's been out of the lime light for a while. Chibi-Robo is actually a semi-popular choice whos's been around since the NGC days and is STILL GETTING GAMES TODAY. I think people are underestimating him. If Sakurai is going for series that are still going strong that have characters that can actually work, then Chibi has a lot going for him. I just can't shake it, but I think Zelda's getting someone new. Impa is the most plausible choice, but it's not necessarily her.

C Tier: Reworked , Bandana Dee, , Captain Toad

I don't think will come back without their gimmick but I can see them happening I guess. Bandana Dee is certainly making a name for himself, but I don't think Kirby is going to be the main focus for a while. The remaining vets are all kinda unneccessary, but I feel they all have a real shot of getting in. Roy still has popularity and his gimmick. Pichu's niche is still untouched and Squirtle and Ivysaur were unique characters who probably only got shot down due to "Too Many Pokemon." Captain Toad I feel has a shot, but I'm not optimistic.

D Tier: Ray Mk III, Wonder Red, A Big Name Third Party, Metroid Newcomer, Krystal, Black Shadow

Ray is being a bit generous methinks, but I feel that the stars could align if given the shot. Wonderful 101 while kickass, bombed so hard I can see people ignoring it exists, though honestly, a character in Smash could turn that around. I also feel that characters like Rayman or MAYBE Layton have a good shot, but I think only the big boys have a shot. No Bayonetta. No Bravely Default. Nothing that isn't from a word famous series. They have to be legendary. Remember that. I have a feeling that we'll get Anthony or Rundas or something after the demand for Ridley fell through. I dunno, I feel like we might be thrown a bone here. Krystal has popularity, but I think Starfox U would have to be HUGE for her to have a shot. Black Shadow probably won't happen, but I can see him happening due to his voice actor's popularity in Japan.

I'd Be Downright Shocked Tier: Any Pokemon Newcomer, Any Fire Emblem Newcomer, Any Kid Icarus Newcomer, Any Yoshi Newcomer, Any Wario Newcomer, Any Mother Newcomer, Any Retro Newcomer, Any Pikmin Newcomer, Any Punch Out!! Newcomer, Any Xenoblade Newcomer, Any Sonic Newcomer, Any Mega Man Newcomer, Any Pac-Man Newcomer,

I don't expect any newcomers from any of these series or niches.

Sneaking Suspicion Tier: Any Pokeball Pokemon, Assist Trophy or Stage Boss

I can't help but I feel we're gonna get one of these through DLC. I just have no idea who it would be. My guess would be Isabelle but.. I dunno.

 

[GunGunW]

These guys:

Most of these are really unlikey, but they are plausible.

I'm really digging those choices

 

[BluePikmin11]

Inkling is way too high on that list man for a series that hasn't even came out.

 

[AEMehr]

Inkling is way too high on that list man for a series that hasn't even came out.

Roy made it into Smash once.
He didn't really exist until Melee came out.

Also, for a game that's only been known about for less than half a year, Splatoon's certainly gained a large fan base. Cross promotion is a practice Nintendo seems to be taking interest in, with Mario Kart 8's DLC and how amiibo functions.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Ok, I feel as if I talk too much on my stance about third party characters.

Let me settle it: it's not really that I don't want anymore third party characters that I bring it up sometimes, it's just that I doubt we'd get third party DLC at all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That was a series that had huge popularity when the first FE game came out to justify a 2nd character.

Still little reason to be that confident that Inkling will be in really.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Inklings are a great choice. Who cares if their series isn't out yet? They are capable of a lot of cool stuff.

Like, I seriously don't get it. Even though a character is awesome, and a character is capable of some cool ****, they simply can't be that great of a choice because of sales or series prominence???

I mean, you don't have to like Inklings, or even consider them likely. But I consistently see sales/series prominence being used to shoot down several characters that would be absolutely freaking awesome. Whatever happened to supporting a character and making your voice heard despite crappy sales/a game being brand new? If Sakurai were such a stickler about characters/series being new or not familiar to fans, then Greninja, Roy (or Marth for that matter) wouldn't be in Smash when they were. Marth and Roy almost weren't added to Melee for NA, but they were, and look at the results.

Something many forget is that Smash Bros. is a very magical thing. Almost anything you put in Smash Bros. becomes big. I believe that if Inklings were added to Smash, they would draw interest to the character, which would then get applied to the game they come from. Interest in the game creates sales. BAM. Smash Bros. just made Splatoon a big deal, just like Nintendo wanted it.

Plus, there really aren't a lot of new IP characters left. I think it's highly unlikely that all DLC characters will be either vets or characters from series we already have. Quite honestly, when looking at the biggest choices for DLC, Inklings/Splatoon are one of the only characters/series that doesn't have a playable character in Smash. Most other popular choices, (K.Rool, Impa, Roy, vets...) are from series already represented with playable characters. Isaac, Inklings, Wonder Red, and a few others are brought up rather often. I think they have higher chances than others think if I'm being honest.

Basically, the sales argument needs to be taken less seriously, as does the whole "series hasn't proven itself" argument. If characters who didn't exist at the time of their inclusion have happened, I don't see the issue with Inklings. I really just don't.

EDIT: Also, PSASBR has had 3rd party DLC. No reason to think it's impossible for Smash.

 

[AEMehr]

That is of course assuming that Swamp's B tier is really considered super likely to himself in the first place.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I think the Inkling would be a great choice for DLC. But, there are many characters, especially veterans, that I'd like to see come beforehand.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I gotta agree, Splatoon could use some advertising with representation from Smash, after all it is the new craze Nintendo pulled out of the hat during E3

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That is of course assuming that Swamp's B tier is really considered super likely to himself.

40/60? Lucas and Wolf are the only guys I can really call likely though. Even then, I'm pessimistic. Heck I lost all faith in Mewtwo personally. I'm that pesimistic and unsure about where DLC will bring us. I'm also unsure of whether we'll even get more DLC aside from Mewtwo. I fear he may have been a one time marketing ploy. Estatic we have him back though.

I might move Chibi up a tier though.

Plus, there really aren't a lot of new IP characters left. I think it's highly unlikely that all DLC characters will be either vets or characters from series we already have. Quite honestly, when looking at the biggest choices for DLC, Inklings/Splatoon are one of the only characters/series that doesn't have a playable character in Smash. Most other popular choices, (K.Rool, Impa, Roy, vets...) are from series already represented with playable characters. Isaac, Inklings, Wonder Red, and a few others are brought up rather often. I think they have higher chances than others think if I'm being honest..

Hmm...

I'm not buying the lack of IPs with no character personally.

I mean not including Splatoon, we have...

Golden Sun
Wonderful 101
Chibi-Robo
Advance Wars
Custom Robo
The Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Rhythm Heaven

And those are just the IPs that we talk about frequently here (or used too).

There are plenty of others like Wave Race, Fatal Frame, Style Savy, Captain Rainbow, etc.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, PSASBR has had 3rd party DLC. No reason to think it's impossible for Smash.

Not an apt comparison, considering Santa Monica played a role in PSASBR's development and took the reigns during the DLC period.
....unless you think we're going to get more Bamco characters.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm actually curious what everyone thinks of Chibi-Robo.

 

[False Sense]

I'm actually curious what everyone thinks of Chibi-Robo.

I suppose that could be interesting, but in most cases I think I'd rather have someone else.

 

[Geno Boost]

How is Geno plausible? He is a one shot 3rd party character from a rpg that is 18 years old

Geno is the only 3rd party charcter that his history is ONLY with Nintendo also did you know that duck hunt dog didn't appear in any game since 1984 that's mean 30 YEARS

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Geno is the only 3rd party charcter that his history is ONLY with Nintendo also did you know that duck hunt dog didn't appear in any game since 1984 that's mean 30 YEARS

Yes, but Duck Hunt is the closest thing to a protagonist in the second best selling NES game of all time.

Geno is a minor protagonist of an old spin off that happens to have licensing issues.

 

[Geno Boost]

Yes, but Duck Hunt is the closest thing to a protagonist in the second best selling NES game of all time.

Geno is a minor protagonist of an old spin off that happens to have licensing issues.

So how about ice climbers. But it doesn't matter if he is old or new also he was in top 5 in sakurai's brawl poll plus he is a charcter between Nintendo and square Enix and it doesn't matter if he was minor charcter like falco and shiek plus he can be counted as 2nd party (I don't have time to explain this right now)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So how about ice climbers. But it doesn't matter if he is old or new also he was in top 5 in sakurai's brawl poll plus he is a charcter between Nintendo and square Enix and it doesn't matter if he was minor charcter like falco and shiek plus he can be counted as 2nd party (I don't have time to explain this right now)

2nd Party doesn't actually exist. That is a fan term to describe partial shares. Geno is wholly owned by Square Enix though so he is indeed, third party. Nintendo owns no part of Geno.

And Ice Climbers got in on their gimmick alone. Geno has no such gimmick.

Moreover, I wouldn't call or of all things minor in any sense of the word. Especially . He's the of Star Fox.

Finally, the poll you're talking about wasn't actually a poll. It was just Sakurai reporting on the amount of fan mail he got requesting certain character. The only poll results that we actually know about placed as #1 by far and had as the 2nd most popular third party character.

 

[Geno Boost]

2nd Party doesn't actually exist. That is a fan term to describe partial shares. Geno is wholly owned by Square Enix though so he is indeed, third party. Nintendo owns no part of Geno.

And Ice Climbers got in on their gimmick alone. Geno has no such gimmick.

Moreover, I wouldn't call or of all things minor in any sense of the word. Especially . He's the of Star Fox.

Finally, the poll you're talking about wasn't actually a poll. It was just Sakurai reporting on the amount of fan mail he got requesting certain character. The only poll results that we actually know about placed as #1 by far and had as the 2nd most popular third party character.

I can explain how geno might be counted as 2nd party later but not now. Shiek is a side character from 1 game (hyrule warrior doesn't count) I remember seeing geno number 3 back in brawl days

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I can explain how geno might be counted as 2nd party later but not now. Shiek is a side character from 1 game (hyrule warrior doesn't count) I remember seeing geno number 3 back in brawl days

Again, not an official poll.

And happened to be a main character from what's considered the best game of all time and a game that's remade every generation.

 

[Masonomace]

Man. . . haven't been here in forever. *Sees Geno in the discussion* Anyone remember reading this?:
http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

I'm actually curious what everyone thinks of Chibi-Robo.

I think Chibi-Robo would be a decently fine addition as a playable character. Though I also think Chibi-Robo is not that high of a priority on my Wanted List, but despite that I dig that Chibi-Robo gets some underrated love & attention.

 

[Geno Boost]

Man. . . haven't been here in forever. *Sees Geno in the discussion* Anyone remember reading this?:
http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

I think Chibi-Robo would be a decently fine addition as a playable character. Though I also think Chibi-Robo is not that high of a priority on my Wanted List, but despite that I dig that Chibi-Robo gets some underrated love & attention.

This was already confirmed as fake very long time ago

Again, not an official poll.

And happened to be a main character from what's considered the best game of all time and a game that's remade every generation.

Best game all time? No this is just your opinion and shiek wasn't the main charcter of that game

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Best game all time? No this is just your opinion and shiek wasn't the main charcter of that game

I said what's often regarded as the best game of all time.

Personally I would say that honor goes to Pokemon Emerald, but it's impossible to deny the impact Ocarina of Time had on people.

Sheik was A main character. Not THE main character. Just like Geno is A main character of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Sheik got in due to luck, timing and the legacy Ocarina of Time has. Geno has none of that.

 

[Masonomace]

@ Geno Boost I'd edit your 1st message to have your 2nd post's portion in there, & then report your 2nd post. Sorry but thank you.
@ Swamp Sensei Woo for Emerald.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

40/60? Lucas and Wolf are the only guys I can really call likely though. Even then, I'm pessimistic. Heck I lost all faith in Mewtwo personally. I'm that pesimistic and unsure about where DLC will bring us. I'm also unsure of whether we'll even get more DLC aside from Mewtwo. I fear he may have been a one time marketing ploy. Estatic we have him back though.

I might move Chibi up a tier though.


Hmm...

I'm not buying the lack of IPs with no character personally.

I mean not including Splatoon, we have...

Golden Sun
Wonderful 101
Chibi-Robo
Advance Wars
Custom Robo
The Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Rhythm Heaven

And those are just the IPs that we talk about frequently here (or used too).

There are plenty of others like Wave Race, Fatal Frame, Style Savy, Captain Rainbow, etc.

You have a point, but at least when I look at it, many of those series PROBABLY won't get some sort of playable representation. I can't see Zael or Aeron being DLC, nor most of the other series you listed (like Wave Race). Inklings have really become a big name among those though. That's what I was implying.

Not an apt comparison, considering Santa Monica played a role in PSASBR's development and took the reigns during the DLC period.
....unless you think we're going to get more Bamco characters.

Fair point. I guess more accurately, 3rd Party DLC shouldn't be ruled out. More so, obscure or relatively minor 3rd parties should be considered unlikely. IMO, Rayman and Snake are the best choices for it, but that's up for debate.