Character Discussion Thread

[CJ Falcon]

The original Starfox for SNES is the best.

 

[Weeman]

The original Starfox for SNES is the best.

I think 64 pretty much expanded on everything that made the original great and made it even better.

 

[SANCHOCO]

The original Starfox for SNES is the best.

Wrong
Starfox 64>Starfox 2 >Starfox

 

[Spinosaurus]

The original Starfox for SNES is the best.

Sure. If you like playing games at 10fps.

64 is best Star Fox.

 

[Zynux]

People's misconceptions of Wolf are funny. Yes, he's antagonistic/villainous (especially in 64) but he's strictly a rival of Fox's (whom even helped him multiple times in the newer games). Andross is the main antagonist and Big Bad of Star Fox and his arch-nemesis (who killed Fox's father).

Like someone mentioned, Wolf is more equated to Wario then anything. He's not a major antagonist in any of the games at all, but a recurring rival.

Now I really need to play Starfox, this strangely is giving me a wanting to play one of the games one day. I need to find out for myself. O.o

Play Starfox 64. The rest I honestly can't recommend.

One thing I want to point out...
Sakurai said the 3DS and Wii U versions would have the same roster.
However.
He did not say they would have the same roster at the same time...

Honestly, prettier graphics, local 4-player and slightly different modes I don't believe is enough to sell a game on a console that's far more expensive with a far lower install base, especially when a cheaper alternative (3DS version) will be available. I'm trying to rack through my head on how they're going to market the Wii U version. If they don't go the route of addition characters on the Wii U (temporarily), then they are going to have to get creative.

 

[Kenith]

Honestly, prettier graphics, local 4-player and slightly different modes I don't believe is enough to sell a game on a console that's far more expensive with a far lower install base, especially when a cheaper alternative (3DS version) will be available. I'm trying to rack through my head how they're going to market the Wii U version. If they don't go the route of addition characters on the Wii U (temporarily), then they are going to have to get creative.

I think you have a point.
Though, considering the way this game is somewhat embracing competitive players, I think the competitive community will vastly prefer the Wii U version (especially with that controller, oh my).

 

[CJ Falcon]

Sure. If you like playing games at 10fps.

64 is best Star Fox.

I disagree.

 

[Deleted member]

There are only two good Star Fox games.

Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D. That is why we have 2 characters from Star Fox this time around! Because thats the number of worthwhile games the series has produced during its wild and long lifetime!

 

[Spinosaurus]

There are only two good Star Fox games.

Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D. That is why we have 2 characters from Star Fox this time around! Because thats the number of worthwhile games the series has produced during its wild and long lifetime!

It's funny how it's the only Star Fox game developed internally as well. The rest, including the original, were out sourced.

Though the next one isn't outsourced. Here's hoping Star Fox Wii U brings the arcade goodness of 64.

 

[CJ Falcon]

Honestly, prettier graphics, local 4-player and slightly different modes I don't believe is enough to sell a game on a console that's far more expensive with a far lower install base, especially when a cheaper alternative (3DS version) will be available. I'm trying to rack through my head on how they're going to market the Wii U version. If they don't go the route of addition characters on the Wii U (temporarily), then they are going to have to get creative.

The best way to market the Wii U version would have been to make the Wii U version the only version. But no.

 

[ElPanandero]

People's misconceptions of Wolf are funny. Yes, he's antagonistic/villainous (especially in 64) but he's strictly a rival of Fox's (whom even helped him multiple times in the newer games). Andross is the main antagonist and Big Bad of Star Fox and his arch-nemesis (who killed Fox's father).

Like someone mentioned, Wolf is more equated to Wario then anything. He's not a major antagonist in any of the games at all, but a recurring rival.


Play Starfox 64. The rest I honestly can't recommend.


Honestly, prettier graphics, local 4-player and slightly different modes I don't believe is enough to sell a game on a console that's far more expensive with a far lower install base, especially when a cheaper alternative (3DS version) will be available. I'm trying to rack through my head on how they're going to market the Wii U version. If they don't go the route of addition characters on the Wii U (temporarily), then they are going to have to get creative.

I think you're underselling the appeal of local multi-player and graphics. I hate the 3DS version (though i'm getting both) but the appeal of playing smash is playing against other human competetiors, and call me old school, but I'd rather play with my friends in a room then deal with laggy wifi and load times by myself with people I can;t talk to. Plus HD graphics > cel shaded cartoons

 

[Weeman]

There are only two good Star Fox games.

Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D. That is why we have 2 characters from Star Fox this time around! Because thats the number of worthwhile games the series has produced during its wild and long lifetime!

I disagree, Assault's campaign was pretty damn good, if a bit short, and it had great multiplayer, as well as soundtrack.
Also the original one was also pretty good for it's time and it's still fun even today.

 

[KingIceSonic]

Could I just bring up something about the leaked roster!
In the In the new famitsu scans there is two pages with all of the characters.

What is funny is that the order of the characters in the leak and the famitsu are the same EXCEPT Lucina who is right next to the FE characters instead of the bottom

No one can say "The list in famitsu isn't full!" or "Lucina would be moved when Dark Pit and Dr.Mario comes" because that is just not true. The famitsu order has no reason to change and put others around.

In Conclusion-This helps mean more characters from series like DK, Metroid, and Zelda

 

[Maxilian]

I think you're underselling the appeal of local multi-player and graphics. I hate the 3DS version (though i'm getting both) but the appeal of playing smash is playing against other human competetiors, and call me old school, but I'd rather play with my friends in a room then deal with laggy wifi and load times by myself with people I can;t talk to. Plus HD graphics > cel shaded cartoons

You're not the only one bro, that's why i have a group of friends that are also getting the 3DS version so we can play together whenever we want

 

[JaidynReiman]

Could I just bring up something about the leaked roster!
In the In the new famitsu scans there is two pages with all of the characters.

What is funny is that the order of the characters in the leak and the famitsu are the same EXCEPT Lucina who is right next to the FE characters instead of the bottom

No one can say "The list in famitsu isn't full!" or "Lucina would be moved when Dark Pit and Dr.Mario comes" because that is just not true. The famitsu order has no reason to change and put others around.

In Conclusion-This helps mean more characters from series like DK, Metroid, and Zelda

Yeah, someone posted that in the Krystal thread and I brought it up on both the K. Rool and Ridley threads. I think its very possible we could get another column. Granted, we might not get another column, but its a huge possibility, and it'd make perfect sense for the Pokemon to get shifted down to the next row, as well.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Yeah, someone posted that in the Krystal thread and I brought it up on both the K. Rool and Ridley threads. I think its very possible we could get another column. Granted, we might not get another column, but its a huge possibility, and it'd make perfect sense for the Pokemon to get shifted down to the next row, as well.

Isn't Krystal deconfirmed? The leak had a trophy of her which wouldn't be unlocked if she was playable.

Also why is Yoshi still in the middle of Mario's characters?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Isn't Krystal deconfirmed? The leak had a trophy of her which wouldn't be unlocked if she was playable.

Also why is Yoshi still in the middle of Mario's characters?

People still push for Krystal as DLC, but yeah, she is kinda sorta disconfirmed

 

[JaidynReiman]

Isn't Krystal deconfirmed? The leak had a trophy of her which wouldn't be unlocked if she was playable.

Also why is Yoshi still in the middle of Mario's characters?

I follow the Krystal thread even though I believe she's basically deconfirmed. I am curious about that trophy, though. Why would she have an Assault trophy on 3DS? She didn't even have an Assault trophy in Brawl.

 

[aldelaro5]

People still push for Krystal as DLC, but yeah, she is kinda sorta disconfirmed

Tip: use my terminology: [deconfirmed] for objective verdict and [almost deconfirmed] for subjective deconfirmation (only use it if everything points towards it strongly, but still not objective).

I love using words with predefined interpretation because it makes my speculation life easier. I hat the percentage way because it's imprecise.

 

[Deleted member]

She didn't even have an Assault trophy in Brawl.

She actually had an Assault trophy in Brawl.

 

[SANCHOCO]

There are only two good Star Fox games.

Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D. That is why we have 2 characters from Star Fox this time around! Because thats the number of worthwhile games the series has produced during its wild and long lifetime!

^I got a chuckle out of your colored letters lol

 

[JaidynReiman]

She actually had an Assault trophy in Brawl.

That's weird, I missed it when scrolling through the archives, I only saw her Command trophy. Ok, nevermind.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Alright, back from my break. A stubbornly optimistic roster (also a re-design) comes with me

I believe the leak. There's nothing about it I can't buy (though the roster image is skeptical, there's nothing in particular, especially since seeing those images in better quality somewhere else). I also believe the starting roster, as much as I don't want to. That in mind, this has 21 unlockables. 64: 4/12 unlockable (33 %) Melee: 11/26 unlockable (42 %) Brawl: 14/39 unlockable (36 %) 4: 21/60 unlockable? (35 %)

While I still think I'm being overly optimistic about this, taking into account the size of the starting roster, I don't think this is overdoing it by much.

 

[Zynux]

I think you're underselling the appeal of local multi-player and graphics. I hate the 3DS version (though i'm getting both) but the appeal of playing smash is playing against other human competetiors, and call me old school, but I'd rather play with my friends in a room then deal with laggy wifi and load times by myself with people I can;t talk to. Plus HD graphics > cel shaded cartoons

Maybe I am. But do you think that appeal alone will have consumers shill out over $300 for? Remember, the Wii U has a very small consumer base; not many people have it. Not as small after Mario kart, but still pretty small all the same. Also, on the market a cheaper version will be available as well.

Don't get me wrong, Smash is Smash: there's still a good possibility that the Wii U version will sell well. But Nintendo is also taking a bit of a gamble with it as well, there's a likelyhood that it can all go wrong, depending on their marketing.

The best way to market the Wii U version would have been to make the Wii U version the only version. But no.

Less sales in the short run. Having two versions of the game (especially one on the 3DS) will net them more profit.

At the cost of a unified game featuring tons of content (instead of it being broken up and littered between two games), possibly even more characters, far more unified marketing strategy, no competition between the two versions and a more steady net profit in the long run.

But that's just my speculation. It's hard to really tell with these things. Making Smash solely on the 3DS would have been disastrous marketing move, especially considering Smash always traditionally being on consoles. Making Smash solely on the Wii U version would have been a risky gamble, considering how poorly it is doing. And making both versions is also usually risky and a development Nightmare.

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EDIT:

In the end, people shouldn't rule out timed character exclusives yet. I agree with most people (mainly, the 3DS users) that something like that is shaddy and in generally shouldn't be practiced, but I'm having difficulty on what the Wii U version is going to fall back on to get it's trains going.

 

[~Krystal~]

I think you're underselling the appeal of local multi-player and graphics. I hate the 3DS version (though i'm getting both) but the appeal of playing smash is playing against other human competetiors, and call me old school, but I'd rather play with my friends in a room then deal with laggy wifi and load times by myself with people I can;t talk to. Plus HD graphics > cel shaded cartoons

Sure this is good and well if you've got the system and 60 dollars to burn, but what if you're one of many millions of people who still don't own a Wii U? What would convince you to spend 300 dollars? Would it be the local multiplayer and HD graphics or would you need something more?

edit: NVM. 'd

 

[FalcoPaunch!121]

People still push for Krystal as DLC, but yeah, she is kinda sorta disconfirmed

WHY SAKURAI! I DONT UNDERSTAND!

 

[Charkoaler]

Wolf. Wolf. Wolf. Wolf. Wolf. Wolf.

It'd be nice if he did come back, but whether or not he does is none of my concern. I just hope, for the starfox fans, that they are satisfied :D

 

[Deleted member]

WHY SAKURAI! I DONT UNDERSTAND!

Sakurai does whatever Sakurai wants is all I can say

 

[FalcoPaunch!121]

Alright, back from my break. A stubbornly optimistic roster (also a re-design) comes with me

I believe the leak. There's nothing about it I can't buy (though the roster image is skeptical, there's nothing in particular, especially since seeing those images in better quality somewhere else). I also believe the starting roster, as much as I don't want to. That in mind, this has 23 unlockables. 64: 4/12 unlockable (33 %) Melee: 11/26 unlockable (42 %) Brawl: 14/39 unlockable (36 %) 4: 23/60 unlockable? (39 %)

While I still think I'm being overly optimistic about this, taking into account the size of the starting roster, I don't think this is overdoing it by much.

Perfect. Yeah. Sceptile for Ridley. Snake for BD.Amazing.

/10 Warios!

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Perfect. Yeah. Sceptile for Ridley. Snake for BD.Amazing.

/10 Warios!

For a second, you made me think I forgot to add Wario

Thanks!

 

[Kenith]

Alright, back from my break. A stubbornly optimistic roster (also a re-design) comes with me

I believe the leak. There's nothing about it I can't buy (though the roster image is skeptical, there's nothing in particular, especially since seeing those images in better quality somewhere else). I also believe the starting roster, as much as I don't want to. That in mind, this has 23 unlockables. 64: 4/12 unlockable (33 %) Melee: 11/26 unlockable (42 %) Brawl: 14/39 unlockable (36 %) 4: 23/60 unlockable? (39 %)

While I still think I'm being overly optimistic about this, taking into account the size of the starting roster, I don't think this is overdoing it by much.

As good as the roster could feasibly be.
My only suggestion (albeit futile) is replacing Masked Man with Dixie Kong.

 

[ElPanandero]

I guess you guys are right, I guess since I'm older 300 doesnt seem like tham much (espicially being straightedge, you save a lot when youre not buying beer and weed in college)

 

[ihskeyp]

Alright, back from my break. A stubbornly optimistic roster (also a re-design) comes with me

I believe the leak. There's nothing about it I can't buy (though the roster image is skeptical, there's nothing in particular, especially since seeing those images in better quality somewhere else). I also believe the starting roster, as much as I don't want to. That in mind, this has 23 unlockables. 64: 4/12 unlockable (33 %) Melee: 11/26 unlockable (42 %) Brawl: 14/39 unlockable (36 %) 4: 23/60 unlockable? (39 %)

While I still think I'm being overly optimistic about this, taking into account the size of the starting roster, I don't think this is overdoing it by much.

Yay Impa! However there is a lack of Dixie Kong on this roster. I'll just assume you accidentally put Rool in her place

 

[CJ Falcon]

Yay Impa! However there is a lack of Dixie Kong on this roster. I'll just assume you accidentally put Rool in her place

Well, what a happy little accident that would have been.

 

[Spinosaurus]

My criteria in judging these prediction rosters:

Is Wario in his right costume? Yes? Good.

No? Search more.

Wario isn't in the roster? Get out.

 

[Bonren]

Alright, back from my break. A stubbornly optimistic roster (also a re-design) comes with me

I believe the leak. There's nothing about it I can't buy (though the roster image is skeptical, there's nothing in particular, especially since seeing those images in better quality somewhere else). I also believe the starting roster, as much as I don't want to. That in mind, this has 23 unlockables. 64: 4/12 unlockable (33 %) Melee: 11/26 unlockable (42 %) Brawl: 14/39 unlockable (36 %) 4: 23/60 unlockable? (39 %)

While I still think I'm being overly optimistic about this, taking into account the size of the starting roster, I don't think this is overdoing it by much.

Way to optimistic!!!!

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

As good as the roster could feasibly be.
My only suggestion (albeit futile) is replacing Masked Man with Dixie Kong.

Yeah, I see what you mean. If Donkey Kong got 4, which it deserves, the fourth would be Dixie. But, I'm not attracted to Dixie as a choice at all, and think fans of every multi-rep series would be satisfied with their series the way I have it now. Just my own opinion.

Yay Impa! However there is a lack of Dixie Kong on this roster. I'll just assume you accidentally put Rool in her place

You keep assuming that if it makes you happy

Way to optimistic!!!!

I have no shame, or desire to change that #stubborn

Thanks guys! :D

 

[~Krystal~]

My criteria in judging these prediction rosters:

Is Wario in his right costume? Yes? Good.

No? Search more.

So how did you like my roster?

 

[wizardto1]

Does anyone found it odd that one reveal trailer proved a leak fake and the next trailer proved a leak real.

 

[Bonren]

I have no shame, or desire to change that #stubborn

Thanks guys! :D

I do admire your optimism!