Character Discussion Thread

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

Let's discuss Wonder Red.

The answer is probably yes, but has anyone thought maybe Sakurai showed his trophy to trick us into thinking he's not playable but he's actually just an unlockable character?

That would be pretty cool.

 

[Masonomace]

Welp. . We do kind of need Anti-heroes to fill in Smash. Only confirmed characters I can somewhat decide to be in that eggsact category is & , but they're mostly misunderstood. They don't struggle with doing the right thing like Dark Pit does.

Edit:
@ Capt. Butt Stallion The answer is yes? So he IS playable. . .now to just play the waiting & winning game.

 

[mark welford]

Let's discuss Wonder Red.

The answer is probably yes, but has anyone thought maybe Sakurai showed his trophy to trick us into thinking he's not playable but he's actually just an unlockable character?

That would be pretty cool.

I have never player wonderful 101 but I have seen pictures of Wonder Red he looks like he could fit in perfectly in smash and when it comes to smash if they want you in they will get you in one way or another they will find a way to make a moveset for you if they want you in like I said.

 

[Deleted member]

Welp. . We do kind of need Anti-heroes to fill in Smash. Only confirmed characters I can somewhat decide to be in that eggsact category is & , but they're mostly misunderstood. They don't struggle with doing the right thing like Dark Pit does.

Yeah, out of the confirmed characters it's only really those two. In Brawl we also had and , and I think they're both in.

 

[mark welford]

@ Capt. Butt Stallion where did you get that picture of captain falcon because I like it a lot reminds me a lot of Mr. Bryant who I will see at school today

 

[Masonomace]

Yeah, out of the confirmed characters it's only really those two. In Brawl we also had and , and I think they're both in.

True, Subspace proved Wario of that, plus his knack of being greedy has made him out to be a anti-hero at times. Wolf & Wario should return so agreed on that.
What eggsactly did you do for your Life Anniversary again? I forgot

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

@ Capt. Butt Stallion where did you get that picture of captain falcon because I like it a lot reminds me a lot of Mr. Bryant who I will see at school today

It's actually a fanart of Handsome Jack (from Borderlands 2). I just photoshopped Falcon's helmet over it.

 

[mark welford]

It's actually a fanart of Handsome Jack (from Borderlands 2). I just photoshopped Falcon's helmet over it.

do you think you could send me it? if you could thanks and much appreciated

 

[Deleted member]

True, Subspace proved Wario of that, plus his knack of being greedy has made him out to be a anti-hero at times. Wolf & Wario should return so agreed on that.
What eggsactly did you do for your Life Anniversary again? I forgot

For my life anniversary I bought Radiant Dawn and Kirby Air Ride, had a lot of chocolate, played Melee and Mario Party with my brothers, and marathoned Madoka. It was a good day.

 

[Masonomace]

@Kermit the Ninja Radical. Thanks for Living~

Speaking of Kirby, anyone else think that the Potd with all 3 Kirby characters with Nightmare is foreshadowing to anything, like, another Kirby character coming soon?

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

Speaking of Kirby, anyone else think that the Potd with all 3 Kirby characters with Nightmare is foreshadowing to anything, like, another Kirby character coming soon?

Not trying to get into another Bandana Dee argument, but... It better not be.

 

[Deleted member]

@Kermit the Ninja Radical. Thanks for Living~

Speaking of Kirby, anyone else think that the Potd with all 3 Kirby characters with Nightmare is foreshadowing to anything, like, another Kirby character coming soon?

Not really. We didn't get a group picture of the Mario cast shortly before Rosalina's reveal. The closest thing we got was a group shot in a nod to 3D World, and that was a month or so before. A Kirby character is possible, but I don't think this picture means anything. If anything, I think the only reason we have a group shot is because this is the first time a Kirby antagonist has been featured in a major role.

 

[Masonomace]

@ Capt. Butt Stallion I'm decent about it, so I don't mind either way. I do kind of favor Galacta Knight but you know how that goes.

@Kermit the Ninja Understandable, Nightmare got featured very well in the PotD. He looks fantastic, did not expect that move but once again Sakurai is proving his word of adding ATs to the max.

 

[GunGunW]

I can see why many consider Yoshi a Mario character, I mean, I do. However, Wario and the Donkey Kong characters have branched off enough to be considered their own. Neither of those characters appear in the main games, only in spin-offs.

In terms of Smash though, Yoshi is considered his own and I feel he should be treated as that.

I don't really care if he's his own thing when it comes to Smash, that's fine, I'm just saying that people shouldn't feel cheated if Pokemon gets more slots than Mario does, because there are still six/seven Mario characters in the game when push comes to shove so there's no need to be upset by it.

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

I don't really care if he's his own thing when it comes to Smash, that's fine, I'm just saying that people shouldn't feel cheated if Pokemon gets more slots than Mario does, because there are still six/seven Mario characters in the game when push comes to shove so there's no need to be upset by it.

Exactly. Mario has 6 reps as of now. We could consider Wario a Mario rep too, although he actually has his fully independent series with its own characters and all, so it makes sense for him to be independent. As far as I know, every Yoshi game has had Mario too, so he's not that independent.

That means Pokémon could have 6 reps too, which would make sense considering that's the maximum amount of Pokémon we can carry at a time in the main series. It would be a nice homage. So, if Jigglypuff comes back (and she will), that leaves us with a free slot, which could be Mewtwo.

That also means Zelda could have another rep. It makes sense for the three biggest franchises to have the same amount of reps, right? We have four now, Ganondorf is a shoe in, and that leaves us with one free slot, which is likely to be occupied by either Ghirahim or Impa.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Speaking of Kirby, anyone else think that the Potd with all 3 Kirby characters with Nightmare is foreshadowing to anything, like, another Kirby character coming soon?

Doubt it, just because a franchise gets something new doesn't mean we're going to see a new character from that franchise soon. The whole cast being present on the PotD is just a Sakurai thing, they were all present for Kirby's Adventure after all.

 

[Niala]

Exactly. Mario has 6 reps as of now. We could consider Wario a Mario rep too, although he actually has his fully independent series with its own characters and all, so it makes sense for him to be independent. As far as I know, every Yoshi game has had Mario too, so he's not that independent.

That means Pokémon could have 6 reps too, which would make sense considering that's the maximum amount of Pokémon we can carry at a time in the main series. It would be a nice homage. So, if Jigglypuff comes back (and she will), that leaves us with a free slot, which could be Mewtwo.

That also means Zelda could have another rep. It makes sense for the three biggest franchises to have the same amount of reps, right? We have four now, Ganondorf is a shoe in, and that leaves us with one free slot, which is likely to be occupied by either Ghirahim or Impa.

Yoshi's Story for the N64 didn't have Mario in it, as far as I can recall. I'm curious, though, who's the sixth Mario rep? I thought it was five, Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Rosalina. Unless you were counting Yoshi, he's technically his own series as far as Smash is concerned.

I don't think that devalues your argument, though, 6 Pokemon and 6 LoZ characters is legit to me.


Also, I just noticed a thing regarding Dark Pit. (@MorbidAltruism you might like to see this) (Also, you're all welcome for bringing this up again)

If you look through the illustrations for newcomers on the main website, there's only two characters who aren't confirmed playable on any of them. For Robin's, you have Chrom, but we already know he's a part of Robin's Final Smash. In the background of Palutena's, you can see Dark Pit flying in the distance. We already know he's not part of either Pit's or Palutena's final smash, so that, to me, implies he will be in the game in some form at least, and points even more to his inclusion as a clone/avatar.

 

[Oz37]

Yoshi's Story for the N64 didn't have Mario in it, as far as I can recall. I'm curious, though, who's the sixth Mario rep? I thought it was five, Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Rosalina. Unless you were counting Yoshi, he's technically his own series as far as Smash is concerned.

I don't think that devalues your argument, though, 6 Pokemon and 6 LoZ characters is legit to me.


Also, I just noticed a thing regarding Dark Pit. (@MorbidAltruism you might like to see this) (Also, you're all welcome for bringing this up again)

If you look through the illustrations for newcomers on the main website, there's only two characters who aren't confirmed playable on any of them. For Robin's, you have Chrom, but we already know he's a part of Robin's Final Smash. In the background of Palutena's, you can see Dark Pit flying in the distance. We already know he's not part of either Pit's or Palutena's final smash, so that, to me, implies he will be in the game in some form at least, and points even more to his inclusion as a clone/avatar.

Check Villager's poster again.

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

Yoshi's Story for the N64 didn't have Mario in it, as far as I can recall. I'm curious, though, who's the sixth Mario rep? I thought it was five, Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Rosalina. Unless you were counting Yoshi, he's technically his own series as far as Smash is concerned.

I don't think that devalues your argument, though, 6 Pokemon and 6 LoZ characters is legit to me.

Yep, you're right, Yoshi's Story is the only Yoshi game without Mario making an appearance.

And yes, I'm counting Yoshi as a Mario rep. I know he's considered to have a series of his own in Smash, but Yoshi is so tied to the Mario series that I personally consider him a Mario rep.

 

[Masonomace]

Oh. . .the series discussion. .that topic has several viewpoints, but my input on the matter is:
1. Despite any minor series (Yoshi), that tie in with the major series (Mario), is his own spin-off from the Mario series / emblem. Yoshi since Smash 64 has always & will always be the main star of his series / emblem in Smash Brothers.
But as a whole franchise within their own universe, Yoshi is a Mario character. So to be technical, the Mario universe includes DK being both & , & being 9 characters whenever he decides to get confirmed.

 

[Niala]

Check Villager's poster again.

Did the thing.

Saw Isabelle this time.

Somewhat ashamed.

Nonetheless, she's been confirmed as an AT, so all it does is broaden the horizon of options for Dark Pit. I still think he's in the game in some regard.

 

[Masonomace]

So if Mario as a whole has 9 characters, then it's not improbable to have Vaati & Ghirahim & Ganondorf.
Sceptile & Mewtwo & Jigglypuff. A good fair amount of people will be happy.

Edit: The issue is characters / fighters who join the roster represent their own series / emblem & their series alone, when it comes to Smash Brothers. So really it goes back to series by themselves putting Mario's series at 5, DK's series at 2, & Yoshi's series at 1.
<Needs more DK
<Needs more Metroid
<Doesn't need more Yoshi, because Yoshi represents his series just fine by himself.
<Needs more F-Zero
<Wario could use more, I don't have a strong standing case on the matter.
<Earthbound / Mother imo seems fine with Ness & Lucas.
<Kirby series could get a 4th, iirc it's the fourth largest, so fourth confirmed.
<Pikmin may get 1 more fighter to represent the Pikmin series, who knows.
<Pokemon being the biggest 3, can make 6 easy. Maybe 7

 

[Spinosaurus]

To be honest, considering the specific Wario series that's represented in Smash is Warioware, I dunno if I'd put Wario there. Warioware has more ties with Rhythm Heaven than it does with Mario.

But you specifically put his overalls icon and he's still technically a character that appears in Mario so eh.

 

[Oz37]

Did the thing.

Saw Isabelle this time.

Somewhat ashamed.

Nonetheless, she's been confirmed as an AT, so all it does is broaden the horizon of options for Dark Pit. I still think he's in the game in some regard.

Oh, no doubt. It would truly be foolhardy to think Dark Pit isn't something significant at this point, but there's no real evidence any way it goes as to what he is. I lean towards playable, but stage boss and assist trophy roles are just as likely based on what we know right now.

 

[GunGunW]

Yoshi's Story for the N64 didn't have Mario in it, as far as I can recall. I'm curious, though, who's the sixth Mario rep? I thought it was five, Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Rosalina. Unless you were counting Yoshi, he's technically his own series as far as Smash is concerned.

I don't think that devalues your argument, though, 6 Pokemon and 6 LoZ characters is legit to me.


Also, I just noticed a thing regarding Dark Pit. (@MorbidAltruism you might like to see this) (Also, you're all welcome for bringing this up again)

If you look through the illustrations for newcomers on the main website, there's only two characters who aren't confirmed playable on any of them. For Robin's, you have Chrom, but we already know he's a part of Robin's Final Smash. In the background of Palutena's, you can see Dark Pit flying in the distance. We already know he's not part of either Pit's or Palutena's final smash, so that, to me, implies he will be in the game in some form at least, and points even more to his inclusion as a clone/avatar.

Bowser was the fnal boss fight of Yoshi's Story.

 

[Niala]

Bowser was the fnal boss fight of Yoshi's Story.

I always thought it was Baby Bowser, but maybe I'm wrong there.

In either case, my statement was that Mario wasn't in Yoshi's story, not that no characters from the Mario universe were in Yoshi's Story.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

To be honest, considering the specific Wario series that's represented in Smash is Warioware, I dunno if I'd put Wario there. Warioware has more ties with Rhythm Heaven than it does with Mario.

But you specifically put his overalls icon and he's still technically a character that appears in Mario so eh.

You ever wonder how big the Mario Universe is
The Mario party/Sport/kart games have Mii's which have Pilotwings,
Then Wario games in which one has that professor from Form the Frog the Bell Tolls, and then the Warioware games which are connected to Rhythm Heaven...

And that's just off the top of my head

 

[Rockaphin]

That also means Zelda could have another rep. It makes sense for the three biggest franchises to have the same amount of reps, right? We have four now, Ganondorf is a shoe in, and that leaves us with one free slot, which is likely to be occupied by either Ghirahim or Impa.

The amount of characters a series has isn't necessarily true to what we say they deserve and out of the three, Mario is the biggest by far. However, this topic is very subjective. You can ask one guy and he'll tell you that Mario is already overrepresented. You ask another guy and he'll tell you that it's fine as it is now. Then, you'll ask people like me that think Mario deserves more representation.

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

<Needs more DK
<Needs more Metroid
<Doesn't need more Yoshi, because Yoshi represents his series just fine by himself.
<Needs more F-Zero
<Wario could use more, I don't have a strong standing case on the matter.
<Earthbound / Mother imo seems fine with Ness & Lucas.
<Kirby series could get a 4th, iirc it's the fourth largest, so fourth confirmed.
<Pikmin may get 1 more fighter to represent the Pikmin series, who knows.
<Pokemon being the biggest 3, can make 6 easy. Maybe 7

Agreed on more DK, Metroid and Pokémon, and Yoshi and Mother having enough.

I don't think we need more F-Zero though. I feel like Falcon is quite enough, being Falcon basically the "icon" of the franchise. If anything we might get Black Shadow, but he'd most likely be a clone. We can hope for a Blood Falcon alt for the Captain though.

Wario is fine by himself. I honestly don't see any character from WarioWare fighting apart from Wario himself. Maybe Ashley, but she's an AT, so...

Kirby doesn't need a fourth rep. The three iconic characters are there, and that's enough.

And Olimar is the best rep for Pikmin. And considering Alph, Brittany and Charlie all appear on the background of Garden of Hope, that would only leave Louie available. An alt, maybe?

 

[Curious Villager]

And considering Alph, Brittany and Charlie all appear on the background of Garden of Hope, that would only leave Louie available. An alt, maybe?

Huh, really? Where? I don't recall ever seeing them anywhere on that stage....

 

[Maxilian]

So if Mario as a whole has 9 characters, then it's not improbable to have Vaati & Ghirahim & Ganondorf.
Sceptile & Mewtwo & Jigglypuff. A good fair amount of people will be happy.

I think you're expecting way too much, i'm pretty sure that we won't get more than 2 Zelda characters (one of them being Ganondorf, and we could end up only getting him) and Pokemon... yeah it could get those 3 character but personally i'm expecting only 2 characters (Jigglypuff and Mewtwo)

 

[Spinosaurus]

You ever wonder how big the Mario Universe is
The Mario party/Sport/kart games have Mii's which have Pilotwings,
Then Wario games in which one has that professor from Form the Frog the Bell Tolls, and then the Warioware games which are connected to Rhythm Heaven...

And that's just off the top of my head

Game & Watch is prominent in Warioware too.

But it doesn't matter, since G&W has been connected to Mario even before Melee was released. (Game & Watch Gallery series)

 

[Masonomace]

Agreed on more DK, Metroid and Pokémon, and Yoshi and Mother having enough.

I don't think we need more F-Zero though. I feel like Falcon is quite enough, being Falcon basically the "icon" of the franchise. If anything we might get Black Shadow, but he'd most likely be a clone. We can hope for a Blood Falcon alt for the Captain though.

Wario is fine by himself. I honestly don't see any character from WarioWare fighting apart from Wario himself. Maybe Ashley, but she's an AT, so...

Kirby doesn't need a fourth rep. The three iconic characters are there, and that's enough.

And Olimar is the best rep for Pikmin. And considering Alph, Brittany and Charlie all appear on the background of Garden of Hope, that would only leave Louie available. An alt, maybe?

Speaking of Blood Falcon. . .notice how he resembles more like his visual self with each passing SSB game? I'm actually in high hopes for a exact BloodFalcon alternate costume this time around. Falcon does his series justice fine by himself, he's very titular in that regard, Black Shadow could be there for extra extra.

I barely play Kirby so I can't disagree or fully agree on that, I'm going to flow with the reply & say sure. It's not necessary for a 4th but the idea doesn't sound half bad to me.

I see Louie being playable for the Pikmin series, but more likely to see an alternate palette swap that originates something about Louie.

 

[Rockaphin]

Mario and Namco have crossed over in Mario Kart before. Pac-Man characters and even Tamagotchi.

Mario content is also in many other games. Including Zelda where I believe a Chain-Chomp appears.

 

[Masonomace]

I think you're expecting way too much, i'm pretty sure that we won't get more than 2 Zelda characters (one of them being Ganondorf, and we could end up only getting him) and Pokemon... yeah it could get those 3 character but personally i'm expecting only 2 characters (Jigglypuff and Mewtwo)

sup.
I was saying Mario's technical total size universe being so vast, the idea of adding a lot more to the other big 2 franchises would of been plausible.
But in Smash Brothers, characters are specifically represented by their main / major own series, making Mario at best 6. So pokemon & LoZ can have at most 6, I'm pretty confident only in Pokemon's slot being guaranteed 6 possibly 7.

 

[FalcoPaunch!121]

Agreed on more DK, Metroid and Pokémon, and Yoshi and Mother having enough.

I don't think we need more F-Zero though. I feel like Falcon is quite enough, being Falcon basically the "icon" of the franchise. If anything we might get Black Shadow, but he'd most likely be a clone. We can hope for a Blood Falcon alt for the Captain though.

Wario is fine by himself. I honestly don't see any character from WarioWare fighting apart from Wario himself. Maybe Ashley, but she's an AT, so...

Kirby doesn't need a fourth rep. The three iconic characters are there, and that's enough.

And Olimar is the best rep for Pikmin. And considering Alph, Brittany and Charlie all appear on the background of Garden of Hope, that would only leave Louie available. An alt, maybe?

Yes, No, Yes, NO, ???


F-zero? No more reps? Wow. I support @ Maxilian on the idea that Black Shadow is in, and he gets 's moveset.


1. Zelda fans are happy, because doesn't suck,

2. F-Zero fans are happy because they got a new character.
3. Mainers are happy because there is someone like Brawl .

Kirby- Click Here.

As for Pikmin, I dont remember seeing Alph or Charlie deconfirmed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

And Olimar is the best rep for Pikmin. And considering Alph, Brittany and Charlie all appear on the background of Garden of Hope, that would only leave Louie available. An alt, maybe?

I need a picture or it never happened man.

 

[Masonomace]

@ FalcoPaunch!121 See this thread to satisfy any BShadow discussion.

The BShadow / Ganondorf matter does make me ponder about it. Apart of me agrees & would be okay in hindsight.
Another part of me says why. BShadow not being the former to Brawl Ganon, it's kind of trash, so I'm hoping that aspect gets a tune-up for BS.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Speaking of Blood Falcon. . .notice how he resembles more like his visual self with each passing SSB game? I'm actually in high hopes for a exact BloodFalcon alternate costume this time around. Falcon does his series justice fine by himself, he's very titular in that regard, Black Shadow could be there for extra extra.

The scarf being out is also Blood Falcon's thing, not Captain Falcon's lol.

Spikes on the shoulder pad and replace the Falcon insignia with a Skull one and you got a deal on a Blood Falcon alt. They got it right by replacing the picture on the back to be like Blood's for his color, and I guess the scarf as well since Brawl, but might as well take it the extra mile.

 

[Masonomace]

The scarf being out is also Blood Falcon's thing, not Captain Falcon's lol.

Spikes on the shoulder pad and replace the Falcon insignia with a Skull one and you got a deal on a Blood Falcon alt. They got it right by replacing the picture on the back to be like Blood's for his color, and I guess the scarf as well since Brawl, but might as well take it the extra mile.

Absolutely, I was disappointed with Falcon Scarf accessory, it's a casual "hang it out there for a little" scarf, & not the "long blowing wind-effect scarf from his anime" scarf.

Basically I wanted a badass scarf detail & all I get is Blood Falcon in Captain Falcon palette swaps.