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It was finish the first level of adventure mode with some obscure amount of time left on the clock right? I stumbled it by accident when I played through adventure mode with like the 11th character I did it with and when the cutscene showed up I was iike "...um ok?"
And that's why you research before you speculate the roster, there's way too many things to consider than just playing it safe.
You are entitled to feel that way, it is a subjective notion, after all.
Not necessarily. I mean, we are likely having a Nintendo Direct this month, another potential reveal, and we'll also be likely to have a Smash Bros. Direct the week before release, which has another reveal. I can definitely see that taking care of the remaining newcomers. Veterans can be announced alongside them (as in Captain Falcon) or in PotD between now and then (there's still a month left).
I suppose you are correct. I should have waited until after the release to make such a statement. There is still time. Albeit, I doubt we are going to get all of the veterans before release.
You are completely entitled to. Thanks for pointing out something I should have proofread, by the way. I need to do that for this thread, particularly on this poor keyboard, but in general as I tend to type late night here.
Yeah, it was end the first level of adventure mode with a 2 in the "second" digit. I assume you were meant to just stumble upon it, the odds of playing through it with 20 odd characters and not landing on a 2 accidentally at one point are pretty low. It's still a stupid requirement.
The worst part about it is that you need to unlock him before you can get Battlefield and Final Destination too, so those 20 hours are going to be rather rough with the somewhat lousy stage selection Melee has. If you're like me and don't like the wacky stages you're basically going to be limited to Yoshi's Story, Pokémon Stadium, Dreamland and Fountain of Dreams.
I wasn't quite so strict on the possible stage choices when I was younger, and even now there are a few others I would play on (Fourside, Brinstar, Mute City, maybe Pokéfloats for fun.) But I can see your point, Melee's viable stage list is already quite small, completely eliminating two of them makes it seem particularly long.
I wasn't speculating at the time, though. I just wanted characters.
I just thought it was one of the more funny typos, it happens to the best of us. I know I have a rate of about one typo every two messages.
I don't know where you're getting this "they have 0 unique moves" idea from. I'm pretty sure there is a default. How would you know that they don't come up in random?
They have moves based entirely on other characters. Every single move we have been shown is based on another character's, with an alteration of visual effect. Programming wise they are cloned moves. They have no moves of their own. Even if they have a default move set, it is just the same as how Pokemon Trainer has a default name of 'Red.' In fact, they likely will have a default, I reckon. It doesn't make it a canon move set. It has, as per everything we have seen, no move set of it's own.
Specific example, please?
Well, I don't know about the other types, but the Brawler is basically Mario and Little Mac fused together.
Don't forget that mii gunner is basically just samus
Sure. I'm going only by Special moves, because the other's are superfluous animations we could argue over variations for hours to an unnecessary and futile degree.
First off, a guy from Nintendo said they have their own slot/slots.
Fair enough. I get your point. But I think we should wait until we ourselves get our hands on the game to make an accurate judgement.Sure. I'm going only by Special moves, because the other's are superfluous animations we could argue over variations for hours to an unnecessary and futile degree.
Top is clearly Greninja, uncharged (likely cannot charge).
Bottom is variation on Link's boomerang (likely again, without the effect of coming back).
I'd say the middle is likely the K Rool Crown, but this is Speculation.
I can speculate further on plenty of others.
Sakurai has been very forthcoming with Mii information- and all of it has indicated: look how much they can be customized! Sizes, weight classes, pretty hats! Not a thing about playing as them, other than that the play style changes based on what you want to make it. That nothing is set, and it shouldn't, because they aren't characters in their own right.
Please link me. This is what I mean, by the way. Will edit previous post.
Of course! I just believe the fence is much more on the side of 'unlikely to be character slots,' than likely, and so far, it seems to be shown the other way around.
Have you seen gameplay with the ninja star projectile? The whirlwind? No? Then you can't simply say, "Oh that clearly comes from a different character". You have no proof. If there was gameplay that showed all of it working the exact same way, then I'd agree with you. But we have no idea how the ninja star works, we have no idea how the whirlwind works, and thinking otherwise is basing it on absolutely nothing.Sure. I'm going only by Special moves, because the other's are superfluous animations we could argue over variations for hours to an unnecessary and futile degree.
Top is clearly Greninja, uncharged (likely cannot charge).
Bottom is variation on Link's boomerang (likely again, without the effect of coming back).
I'd say the middle is likely the K Rool Crown, but this is Speculation.
I can speculate further on plenty of others.
Sakurai has been very forthcoming with Mii information- and all of it has indicated: look how much they can be customized! Sizes, weight classes, pretty hats! Not a thing about playing as them, other than that the play style changes based on what you want to make it. That nothing is set, and it shouldn't, because they aren't characters in their own right.
Custom Match, Flower + Stamina + Turbo, set HP to 1, button mash start.
That is what I am expecting as well. I just wouldn't go as far as to call them "not characters". They took development time that a character would have, so they are essentially the equivalent.Please link me. This is what I mean, by the way. Will edit previous post.
Of course! I just believe the fence is much more on the side of 'unlikely to be character slots,' than likely, and so far, it seems to be shown the other way around.
Nothing is final until it is final!
We may not have entire proof of how it functions entirely, but the fact that the whirlwind and ninja star are EXACT DUPLICATES of the moves I mentioned earlier is definitely evidence, even if they were tweaked to function slightly differently.
I'm discussing the aesthetic of the CSS; which to me has as much merit of discussion of Dark Pit in Brawl round 98676, or Original 12 round 75875865085.
Correct; hence the 'create-a-character.' I think this is why it is important that people not look at them as characters. In life, perspective is important. Looking at them as character slots can be frustrating to some; looking at them as a mode to create any character you want? Brilliant. A slight tweak of vantage point can make the world of difference. That is why it matters.
I agree with most of this, but the question is, what does this have to do with anything? They still took up development time as characters. Even if they do not have their own specific slots (or just one big one), they still were programmed as characters. Hence why I have some issue with flat out saying they're not.
Yes, but because you can edit the character with moves that combine separate characters and give them a costume, that means they are different then other clones because they combine characters rather than being based off of one. I guess Falco isn't a character in Melee. I don't like Miis, but they are still characters.
How exactly is the Mii Gunner like Samus outside of the concept of having an arm gun? I'm pretty sure Mega Man has a arm gun and shoots **** from it and we don't call him a Samus clone.
"but the fact that the whirlwind and ninja star are EXACT DUPLICATES of the moves I mentioned earlier is definitely evidence, even if they were tweaked to function slightly differently." I thought that "EXACT DUPLICATES" was a synonym for clone moveset wise.
Visual duplicates.
I get your point now, but when you say not as much as not a CSS character, it has to be on the CSS somewhere
Regardless, do you expect them to have a separate spot in options or something? Where you could assign different Miis to different Mii Fighter classes and custom specials, and when you get to the CSS you could select a Mii the same way as in Mario Kart? Thats what I'm getting right now.
*EVO Chant*
pupNapoleon
about Mii's being clone amalgams
For all we know, that head pound is a move from a certain Kremling. We have seen the little Kremlings use it in Smash Run, after all...
My issue is here; the best comparion we have for them is the stage builder in Brawl.
Even though they stole her charge shot and the final smash is exactly like samus' as well as plenty of other moves that look very similar
I really don't get what you're trying to say. For me, a playable character is a character which can be controlled by me. I can control a Mii, so I don't get it why he shouldn't be treated as a character. They may be highly customizable characters, but that doesn't make them any less of a character
Wouldn't this also apply for Mega Man?
Name one.
