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Two new characters from successful franchises that represent Nintendo's modern IPs is unfulfilling?
Den outta Den!!!! Snake returns via dlc. So many people would be happy and praise sakurai.
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I spent hours in photoshop btw
Most people would agree they dont like marketing bros. bleh, which is what this is if they dont listen to the fans.
Yes, indeed.
At this point, Smash is not a series that you get into for the familiar faces. No, Smash is a series that introduces you to different, new IPs because you got familiar with them via Smash.
Most people would agree they dont like marketing bros. bleh
And completely ignore the much older and bigger fanbases who love you. Yeah that makes sense. Lets just market [CENSOR DODGE] this new smash with characters half of the fanbase dont even know, Marketing Bros. Wii U confirmed.
Thanks for informing me about the Chorus Men, because I have only played Rhythm Heaven Fever, so I didn't know much about the Glee Club. I personally think having all three of them moving around as one could be an incredibly unique idea. Along with that, they could take moves from other Rhythm Heaven characters, playing like Pac-Man : Namco as is Glee Club : Rhythm Heaven.Why them over another Rhythm Heaven character (reps is a bad word to describe them, really)? Simple. They're among the most prominent. If you look at the Chorus Kids thread, they were heavily used in advertising Rhythm Heaven DS.
See above. They're essentially the cover characters used to promote the series. And they're Beyonce's favorite.
Secondly, the Gematsu thing doesn't make it bad. It got Fire Emblem wrong. That's it. Are we forgetting everything else that made it credible? Wii Fit Trainer? Mii Fighters? It's like PokeBeach. It revealed tons of info, like Inkay, Malamar, Meowstik, and the Fairy type. But it mixed up Greninja and Chesnaught's secondary typings. And included a second professor (Poor Patrice...). That didn't make everything else wrong. It was still a leak.
Thirdly, they'd share a hitbox, essentially moving as one unit. Think of it like Rayman, only make Rayman's arms the size of his body. Kinda like that.
See, you have this backwards mentality that the older the character is, the more deserving they are. Nothing good comes out of this though, except for catering to a vocal minority. The funny part is that all the important senior characters are already in the game, and are characters that are still going strong today for the most.
The more important to history a character is of course they are more worthy lol, Smash bros. is Nintendo History the game.
It's not just history, it's Nintendo as a whole. Raising awareness of modern IPs is good. How many times do I need to repeat that?
Imo your criteria for why a character should get in is flawed, but thats your opinion so whatever. It makes since to base characters on Importance first, Popularity second, Uniqueness third and then lastly Relevance. Being a marketing tool is the weakest and most pitiful reason for a character to be included, it means the character wouldnt have made it in on their own merit meaning they didnt deserve a spot in the first place.
We're finally in agreement. Oh you're saying that Nintendo's newer, successful IPs aren't important? lol
Im saying this smash Relevance has been taking priority overall and its sad, when I consider that the least important quality for a character to get in. Do we know Shulk is in a sequel, will Rosalina ever do anything in the mario verse, will Lucina be in a sequel staring her?, will Robin always be the player character from now on or forgotten completely, will Kid Icarus Uprising ever be revisited cementing Palutena in peoples hearts, will Greninja even be on the radar a year from now?
Yes, but when these characters do get into Smash, the likelihood of them reappearing in another game is likely much bigger than before. And if that doesn't happen, then the character would already have made its place as a beloved Smash character like Captain Falcon did.
Doesn't really matter either way, if they aren't considered important enough in the next series of games they will simply be cut. At this point it's going to be unavoidable because we are starting to head towards the number of characters where we are going to not be able to expect every character to return in every future version of Smash Brothers either. It has no impact on why they should or should not be in Smash 4 at this point and time.
Im not a fan of characters only earning their popularity through smash, to be in smash you should earn your merit beforehand. The only exceptions are history pieces like game and watch, miis or retros would have potential to be revived like Ice Climbers and Pit. I hate flavor of the month characters and I dont respect them at all.
I hate this mentality, If you get in smash it should mean you are a big deal to said series and will always be a big deal, cutting characters in a game this important is awful and should be illogical. When flavor of the month characters get in they are a waste of space because they take up time that an important character could have gotten. Also once a character is in smash if they were loved then they become permanent based on their playstyle aka Jiggs, now she represents smash more instead of pokemon which is ok since 64 was their first try but alot of characters like that are just a waste.
out of 10 hyesz!. . .
to me. The characters you mentioned, were all fairly obvious choices in my opinion. Animal Crossing is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, Greninja is from the new Pokemon games, which Sakurai always takes something from (Pichu from Gen 2 and Lucario from Gen 4), along with having moveset potential, and having a great design, and with Namco working on the game, Pac-Man is nearly a no-brainer. Sakurai always puts in the most popular characters from each company (when you think of Sega, Namco, and Capcom; Sonic, Pac-Man, and Mega Man are most likely some of the first things that come to mind).
It's not particularly realistically to expect that the development teams are going to be able to add 10-15 characters to each game over time. We are quickly approaching the 40-50 range once you get above 50-60 rangeit because very hard to balance control and probably create the characters with reliable expectations and cost. With that being said there is only so many quote on quote 'important' characters that can be added before someone is going to be at risk in the next game or make another character at risk. It's not a bad mentality, it's the harsh reality
KRYSTAL DLC?! You don't believe SF can load up and get 4 characters?! Is that it?!!! You were doing so well too...Sup guys gonna post this:Tried giving a decent DLC roster so tell me what you guys think about it, along with giving a score for it too if you want.
First up, DLC!
Border Key:
Yellow = Likely character content after the game releases, and time passes by, giving it weeks or months.
Red = Wishlist slots that are pipe dreams. Likeliness of any of them happening is
Green = Subjectively a good chance, better than yellow being a guaranteed DLC.
The entire left upper column all relate to Amiibo future-planning DLC, "time will come" theme. Captain Toad & Yarn Yoshi for their games being Amiibo-compatible. Plus I'm very hyped Yoshi could get this chance, a clone of yoshi for once.Boo & Birdo gave me a vibe they'd be playable DLC in Sm4sh, since they'll be playable characters in Mario Party 10 released some time next year. And Jimmy T. was thrown on here to show some secondary credit & love to Warioware, somewhat doubting that chance.
Dr. Mario was a prediction for DLC mainly for two reasons: One his P.HD alternate costume he could slip in, may or may not affect his move-set. With custom move-sets however involving semi / full-blown clones, the customizing makes the clone boundary fade. Two he really could have a re-vamped game-play yet similar movements here & there.
Krystal while I would have had her inclusion over Wolf, the idea of me outright cutting Wolf from the cast for Krystal seemed unfair. Wolf was technically the least clone-like out of the StarFox trio, not to mention I've been playing his brawl game-play it's fitting, to an extent. Krystal can wait for DLC, I hope not for too long. . .
Phoenix, Beastman, & Deathborn are all my extremely bias choices for DLC inclusion for the F-Zero franchise. Heavy wishlist presents they are indeed. All of them could make great fighters but they're staying red borders until we learn of a new F-Zero game.
Agumon is another F-Zero heavy bias case, I love digimon & proud to be a fan. It would please me to the max if Agumon was requested by Banmco & Sakurai actually developed the character. Still a heavy wishlist present not expecting it to be DLC.
Roy's our Boy, what can we say?"No!" Roy was lacking in Melee could get a DLC chance, slim at that. Project M not made by Nintendo however shows that some time, dedication, & consideration for the Roy fans out there really pays off making them all pleased. There's some hope.
I included past pokemon from Melee & Brawl for some optimism, which Squirtle, Ivysaur, & Pichu are practically, if not absolutely cut from the roster. Not to mention them getting DLC anytime soon is improbable. Scizor is an awesome wishlist present, while Blaziken & Swampert are added-on DLC goodies for ORAS but still very improbable.
Masked Man is interesting to me & I considered putting him on my DLC predictions, regarding Mother's case. I thought about replacing Lucas with Masked man to bring in new flavor similar to Wolf / Krystal, but again could not really find the decency to cut Lucas who was planned to replace Ness in Melee but didn't because of Mother 3 / EarthBound 64 cancelling.
Chibi-Robo is an interesting choice. Until recently researching about ChibiRobo I never realized just how much he just pops back relevant, getting a remake from his original debut on the Gamecube gettign 2 more sequals on top of it with a fourth installment. And watching him play in SSF2, I grow fond of the character hoping he gets DLC, or maybe better, playable in the CSS.
Inklings may definitely be DLC over time, just a matter of waiting until next year when their 3rdPS releases.
Finally the one on the DLC I personally want the most to return kudos to @Scoliosis Jones 's posts & sources, making the before "may not return, unplausible" to "fairly confident of playable status, or guaranteed DLC". I chose DLC predicting it may go south for him.
) and Agumon would be hilarious.
out of 10 Kirbys.
This is the absolute best roster I've seen so far. So much that I don't even care that you put in Krystal over Snake.
So I did a thing
I spent hours in photoshop btw
I say importance has to be developed over time unless a characters role is obvious and unchanging and that unchanging role was key to the story/franchise in some way.
This is a great roster.
So I did a thing
I spent hours in photoshop btw
Oh man. . .I'm glad It's a certain someone's birthday today. . . . .
You'll get a treat next page.
Um...okay? I am not sure what you mean.Oh man. . .I'm glad It's a certain someone's birthday today. . . . .
Love it, but considering how trigger happy you went with the characters here, you still didn't put Ridley somewhere?Nvm can't wait 10 more posts.
Here's my Prediction Roster. The ?'s are click-able that open up your DLC characters on the sides:
Lemme know what you guys think, rate, toughts, etc.
Way to many mario, zelda and pokemon characters, you should probably remove one of eachNvm can't wait 10 more posts.
Here's my Prediction Roster. The ?'s are click-able that open up your DLC characters on the sides:
Lemme know what you guys think, rate, thoughts, etc.
I suppose it's trigger happy. I refused to go over 60 character slots, & I added Ridley as #1 in my DLC prediction roster I made that's a bit above ^
Maybe Mario because I don't favor Mario that well, & barely LoZ cus that's understandable, but I will not remove a pokemon slot. 7 Pokemon is not out of the question.
But it's still a lot, most people are guessing it'll be 5, even 6 is pushing it, but 7?
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7 Mario characters
I feel awful for saying this, but for a prediction roster, this is highly ambitious. Now, it's ok that you didn't put Krystal (*sigh*), but 2 Zelda newcomers, Jr and Paper Mario, plus every Pokemon character people wanna see in one go is a bit hard to envision coming to pass. I don't even think DKC will get 2 newcomers. On the other hand, can I say I love this roster? I've been lobbying for one at or near 60 characters since day 1. Great minds think alike.Nvm can't wait 10 more posts.
Here's my Prediction Roster. The ?'s are click-able that open up your DLC characters on the sides:
Lemme know what you guys think, rate, thoughts, etc.
At the very least remove a mario and zelda rep then, also I think Star Fox and Metroid deserve more representation
That's what I wanted to do, but my roster's grid setup was just awkward if I tried displaying it differently. It was originally Krystal & Ridley in there. But the roster was uneven. I'll see if I can troubleshoot.
