Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Considering how anal SPD1 are towards using characters that aren't theirs I doubt it, unless it was outsourced to a different developer.

Would be cool though, but maybe not for Warioware.

Who said SPD1 would be the ones to make such a game?

After all, Good-Feel developed Shake It!....

 

[FalcoPaunch!121]

Honestly no. Would I like him in? Sure. He's a cool guy. I just don't think he's getting in. And all those shadow analyses don't really help me see it differently. Believe me, I've read them.

Not trying to start a Ridley war though.

Its the opposite! ridley is in, but would i main him? no.

To be fair, quite a bit of it is either spam or fending off detractors. Thread size says nothing about prominence.

Yes, but Ridley is a ??? who just is meant to be playable! not that i would like it, of course.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Honestly if a leak doesn't have Ridley, it's fake.

 

[Opossum]

Honestly if a leak doesn't have Ridley, it's fake.

That's quite a bold thing to believe. I learned the hard way not to put too much faith in what I consider shoo-in status. I advise you lower expectations before it's too late.

 

[ihskeyp]

Honestly if a leak doesn't have Ridley, it's fake.

That's what people used to say about characters like Chrom, though. You never know.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

That's what people used to say about characters like Chrom, though. You never know.

There's a clear difference between Chrom and Ridley. Ridley, though never mentioned by name, has been alluded to by Sakurai twice, iirc. The first was more ambiguous, but the hammer was dropped during the Direct. I think that major nod-off to Ridley all but confirms him.

 

[Opossum]

I just don't understand why a leak without Ridley would be automatically deemed fake when Sakurai alluded to him in the context of a boss. It'd be safer to assume he's not in.

 

[ShrekItRalph]

I think that major nod-off to Ridley all but confirms him.

Ehhhhhhhh, that's a mighty leap. I'm not saying Ridley is not in, but try to keep somewhat realistic expectations.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I just don't understand why a leak without Ridley would be automatically deemed fake when Sakurai alluded to him in the context of a boss. It'd be safer to assume he's not in.

A lot of people think the exact opposite, myself included. I'm all but certain Ridley is playable BECAUSE he was alluded to as a boss.

Ehhhhhhhh, that's a mighty leap. I'm not saying Ridley is not in, but try to keep somewhat realistic expectations.

A Brawl Boss is deliberately being kept hidden from us, but is alluded to as an SSB4 Boss. If he's an SSB4 boss, what was the point of hiding him?

 

[ShrekItRalph]

A lot of people think the exact opposite, myself included. I'm all but certain Ridley is playable BECAUSE he was alluded to as a boss.

Well ok, just don't get angry at Sakurai if the character that he alluded to being a boss ends up being a boss.

 

[Opossum]

That just seems like backwards thinking, to me. :/ It seems like a real stretch.

 

[Pizzanigs]

For me, Ridley's chance diminishes every day. I see the shadow analyses, and while they're impressive, no one said that Ridley had to be huge to be a boss. For all we know, a good portion if the bosses could be playable size.

 

[Scamper52596]

I'm willing to give Ridley the benefit of the doubt. He could be playable due to his teasing as a boss character, but never being completely shown off or even mentioned again. If Metroid gets another representative, it would most likely be Ridley because of his role in the franchise. I'm not holding my breath either way. If he's in, I'll be happy for all his supporters.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Well ok, just don't get angry at Sakurai if the character that he alluded to being a boss ends up being a boss.

I wouldn't get mad at Sakurai. It would be my own damn fault for making the expectation.

But, something to keep in mind is that I believe Ridley is both a boss, AND playable. From what we've analyzed, that's Other M Ridley on the Pyroshpere. I think that Other M Ridley is the boss. What about the original Ridley? I say that Ridley is playable, and his clone is a boss.

Confirm the boss, everyone gets sad, then confirm Ridley, and you'll have the biggest hype spike (along with a totally bad-ass trailer) right before the game release.

But yeah, I think "Ridley" is both playable and a boss. I think deliberately keeping him from us like that means he's playable, but from the way what we saw acted, that looks like a boss, to me. (Also, I should note that I'm the only one I know that thinks this, lol)

 

[ShrekItRalph]

A Brawl Boss is deliberately being kept hidden from us, but is alluded to as an SSB4 Boss. If he's an SSB4 boss, what was the point of hiding him?

Meta Knight is a brawl playable character who is deliberately being kept hidden from us, but is alluded to as an SSB4 playable character. If he's an SSB4 playable character, what was the point of hiding him?
I don't know why, but all I'm saying is that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to say that Ridley is a boss, and then for Ridley to turn up as a boss.

I wouldn't get mad at Sakurai. It would be my own damn fault for making the expectation.

Good, I don't hate Ridley or don't want him playable. I just don't want people taking it out on Sakurai.

 

[Loungemen]

Oh man we totally havent discussed this. sarcasm. and ridley + k rool are prominent! ridleys fan base just reached 1500 pages!

It's not sarcasm. It's realism.

And I said prominence. Not popularity.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

To be fair, quite a bit of it is either spam or fending off detractors. Thread size says nothing about prominence.

What did you expect? The fanboy level is over 9000

My heart is just wanting all the characters confirmed so we can just kill all the hype and disappointment already



....that must've sound wrong

 

[False Sense]

That's quite a bold thing to believe. I learned the hard way not to put too much faith in what I consider shoo-in status. I advise you lower expectations before it's too late.

I agree, there really are no such things as shoo-ins. That goes for Ridley as well. He may be playable, and he may not be playable; at this point, we cannot definitively say one way or another.

What we can do, however, is analyze what information has been presented to us and form conclusions based on the evidence. In the case of Ridley, we know that he was teased as a boss, yet never confirmed as one, despite Sakurai almost always immediately clarifying what a character's role in the game is as soon as they're shown in any capacity. We also know that previous newcomers, such as Palutena, were teased in a somewhat similar manner prior to their reveal. In addition, analyses of Ridley's shadow, while not 100% accurate, shows that Ridley may be at a size suitable for a playable character. And to top it all off, Ridley's behavior in the Direct does not match up with that of a typical Smash boss; in fact, if that is a boss, it would seem to be a rather poorly designed one.

Putting all these points together, it seems to me that Ridley is likely going to be playable. However, I cannot deny the fact that Ridley was teased as a boss, and for all we know, Sakurai could just be teasing a small, poorly designed boss that people have wanted playable for years. That possibility cannot be ignored. However, I find it to be the less likely possibility.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Meta Knight is a brawl playable character who is deliberately being kept hidden from us, but is alluded to as an SSB4 playable character. If he's an SSB4 playable character, what was the point of hiding him?
I don't know why, but all I'm saying is that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to say that Ridley is a boss, and then for Ridley to turn up as a boss.

First, I think veterans are a different story. Every veteran has had a reason to be revealed ever since we saw Marth and Ike were build-up to the Robin trailer. I think that veterans without specific reasons, like Meta Knight, will just be left with obvious hints as like a pseudo-confirmation.

Moving on, I don't think Sakurai is going to be so straight-forward about this. Like, whether or not we think he's playable depends on whether we think he means what he's indirectly saying.

 

[Niala]

I agree, there really are no such things as shoo-ins. That goes for Ridley as well. He may be playable, and he may not be playable; at this point, we cannot definitively say one way or another.

What we can do, however, is analyze what information has been presented to us and form conclusions based on the evidence. In the case of Ridley, we know that he was teased as a boss, yet never confirmed as one, despite Sakurai almost always immediately clarifying what a character's role in the game is as soon as they're shown in any capacity. We also know that previous newcomers, such as Palutena, were teased in a somewhat similar manner prior to their reveal. In addition, analyses of Ridley's shadow, while not 100% accurate, shows that Ridley may be at a size suitable for a playable character. And to top it all off, Ridley's behavior in the Direct does not match up with that of a typical Smash boss; in fact, if that is a boss, it would seem to be a rather poorly designed one.

Putting all these points together, it seems to me that Ridley is likely going to be playable. However, I cannot deny the fact that Ridley was teased as a boss, and for all we know, Sakurai could just be teasing a small, poorly designed boss that people have wanted playable for years. That possibility cannot be ignored. However, I find it to be the less likely possibility.

Even if I disagree with pretty much all the evidence provided, I like this post a lot. The information is, mostly, sensible, and it avoids the argument which I can't wrap my mind around: If Ridley is teased during a section in which bosses are being discussed, then logically, Ridley is not a boss. I cannot understand that.

Plus, this:

"He may be playable, and he may not be playable; at this point, we cannot definitively say one way or another."

is A1.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Even if I disagree with pretty much all the evidence provided, I like this post a lot. The information is, mostly, sensible, and it avoids the argument which I can't wrap my mind around: If Ridley is teased during a section in which bosses are being discussed, then logically, Ridley is not a boss. I cannot understand that.

The reason I, personally, came to that conclusion is because I see little gain if Ridley were just revealed to be a boss. Revealing him playable (especially if he was both boss and playable) would build SOOO much hype!

Granted, I'm making the assumption that Ridley's fate will be determined prior to the game's release, but still.

 

[Niala]

The reason I, personally, came to that conclusion is because I see little gain if Ridley were just revealed to be a boss. Revealing him playable (especially if he was both boss and playable) would build SOOO much hype!

Granted, I'm making the assumption that Ridley's fate will be determined prior to the game's release, but still.

My apologies if that came across as attacking you in specific, I hadn't intended it as such.

You're correct, it would be very exciting for a lot of people if Ridley were advertised playable within the next few weeks. But, I do think that's just a rationalization used to avoid the reality of the situation. If a character is teased as a boss character, than the likelihood is that they are a boss character. Any other evidence is secondary to me, especially fan-fabricated evidence.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

My apologies if that came across as attacking you in specific, I hadn't intended it as such.

You're correct, it would be very exciting for a lot of people if Ridley were advertised playable within the next few weeks. But, I do think that's just a rationalization used to avoid the reality of the situation. If a character is teased as a boss character, than the likelihood is that they are a boss character. Any other evidence is secondary to me, especially fan-fabricated evidence.

Attacking me? Did I sound offended? I wasn't by any means.

Anyhow, as I mentioned before, I think Ridley is both a boss and playable. If this turns out true, the hint is exactly what it meant, but Sakurai's just a prick, which we already know, and love him for

So, I'm not exactly avoiding the reality that he'd most likely be a boss. I'm taking that reality, and simply smashing everything around it, so that I can manipulate the reality to be something I want

But hey, I'm not psychic. He may he playable, he may be a boss, he may be both. ****, he may be neither. THAT would be hilariously horrible.

 

[mark welford]

guys lets just leave it at sakurai is a troll and that a man like himself would never show all his cards

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

All I know is that it is a travesty if Ridley is left out AGAIN. Who the hell does he have to sleep with?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Okay; this update is taking forever. The last two nights they came particularly early, and this ones is looking to come particularly late.

I know character updates tend to be later.....

Can someone please verify the update did not happen, for me?

 

[Spinosaurus]

POTDs with veteran reveals are normally earlier than usual actually.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Maybe I'm just being taken back to the Dojo days, then. When new characters were not only in Directs. I know those were later.

 

[pupNapoleon]

METAKNIGHT!!!!!!

http://www.smashbros.com/fr/characters/metaknight.html

 

[Spinosaurus]

Forget everything I said

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Sweet render.

 

[Deleted member]

Please don't be broken again, Meta Knight....please don't be broken again

 

[Pizzanigs]

The great knight is back!

 

[pupNapoleon]

"Shuttle Loop no longer glides, and has a greater loop with two attacks"

"Shuttle Loop no longer glides, and has a greater loop with two attacks"

 

[Pizzanigs]

Speaking of character reveals, who else has that feeling that King K. Rool is going to be the next newcomer reveal? My bias is strong.

 

[mark welford]

this is the perfect time to listen to Meta Knight's Revenge!

 

[pupNapoleon]

...why wasn't Game and Watch officially announced after his trailer?

This is now officially suspicious.

 

[mark welford]

Character Update
Cartoony
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina&Luma
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Olimar&Pikmin
Mii Fighters<----Place them however you want
Sonic
Pac-Man
Megaman
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Greninja
Toon Link
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Villager
In-Between
Fox
Little Mac
Pit
Wii fit trainer
Serious-ish
Captain Falcon
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Marth
Ike
Robin
Lucina
Link
Sheik
Zelda
Palutena

I will update my listings when Characters are revealed

 

[MagnesD3]

...why wasn't Game and Watch officially announced after his trailer?

This is now officially suspicious.

Mr. Game and Watch will always be unlockable. And sakurai is unpredictable.

 

[mark welford]

no comments or anything on my list makes me kinda upset that I wasted my time nobody categorized them by what I did so I did