Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

Alrighty, so I heard from the mess that is the Super Smash Bros Miiverse, that Geno was claimed to have been shown in a section of CoroCoro that goes over Super Smash bros, two days ago. Anyone heard the same thing yet?

Dude, don't get my Geno hype up again.

It happened in Brawl.

I started it up in Sm4sh before giving in after Sakurai's call of 3rd Party characters needing "Star Power" on par of Megaman, Sonic, or Pac-Man.

I don't want to be hurt like this again. I won't believe a word until I see a video saying "Geno... gives it a whirl!"

 

[Espio264]

quote="DukeNapoleon, post: 17272950, member: 241220"]I want to take a minute to talk about who I want in Pokemon/what I think would make the most sense.
1- Pikachu
2- Charizard
3- Sceptile
4- Greninja
5- Lucario
6- Mewtwo[/quote]

But be honest though, A year ago, before we knew about most of the cast, before we knew about Greninja, would Sceptile have been so high on your list? Would he have been on there at all?

A year ago, the viable choices most of us speculated were:

Lucario returning
Pokemon Trainer returning (all three intact)
A possible second trainer with XY starters
Mewtwo returning at long last
Zoroark
Jigglypuff returning
and throw in Genesect for those few hopefuls.

There may have been a few people who supported Sceptile, but if you look at my first roster, I've got Scizor on it. They weren't seriously under the impression it would happen, they were just fans, like me and my Scizor love.

After Greninja everything changed and the TYPE TRIFECTA suddenly was a thing. Not a real thing based on fact from Sakurai, but a thing based on hopes and dreams from a few starry eyed Smashboarders. He makes a hell of a lot of sense, sure, but that doesn't make him definite.

 

[mark welford]

But be honest though, A year ago, before we knew about most of the cast, before we knew about Greninja, would Sceptile have been so high on your list? Would he have been on there at all?

A year ago, the viable choices most of us speculated were:

Lucario returning
Pokemon Trainer returning (all three intact)
A possible second trainer with XY starters
Mewtwo returning at long last
Zoroark
Jigglypuff returning
and throw in Genesect for those few hopefuls.

There may have been a few people who supported Sceptile, but if you look at my first roster, I've got Scizor on it. They weren't seriously under the impression it would happen, they were just fans, like me and my Scizor love.

After Greninja everything changed and the TYPE TRIFECTA suddenly was a thing. Not a real thing based on fact from Sakurai, but a thing based on hopes and dreams from a few starry eyed Smashboarders. He makes a hell of a lot of sense, sure, but that doesn't make him definite.

oh this is not mine its dukenapoleon I tried to quote but it went wrong for some reason

 

[Masonomace]

for some reason that raccoon reminds me of fox @ Morbi

Hmmm. . .I'd tell you we both need glasses so I went ahead & put mine on:

Well. . .there's mostly differences, but. . .I see the reminding glimpse too, it's a small glimpse though.

 

[mark welford]

Hmmm. . .I'd tell you we both need glasses so I went ahead & put mine on:

Well. . .there's mostly differences, but. . .I see some similarities.

LOL maybe it is because of their leader status that makes me associate them with each other

 

[pupNapoleon]

Excuse me for not thinking like a businessman. Not snark directed toward you Duke, snark directed toward society in general. I'm not saying that Sceptile doesn't merit inclusion, just that the ideas that Sakurai values a type trifecta, or that GameFreak is pushing a particular character, Sceptile spcifically, is nothing but speculation that one person ran with, probably first on these forums, and he being the likeliest inclusion along with Mewtwo and Jigglypuff was then set in stone.

We all seemed to think that a Blue haired FE swordsman Trio was an inevitability. Sakurai wanted said "Trifecta" and that the FE staff wanted Chrom to be their Awakening frontrunner. But we all know how that ended. This is now fact: What we thought, and what we have now.

The only Pokemon related facts we've been given are that they set a roster spot aside for an XY Pokemon, and Greninja was who they chose. Who GameFreak might suggest, or the idea that they wanted a starter, and therefore a third starter from Gen 3 to flesh out a trio are not facts, they're cool ideas that make a lot of sense.

The Chrom case is particularly different. Maybe I take offense to it, as to me, I never believed Chrom was a logical idea, and Sakurai clearly agreed with me on the entirety of my own merits in understanding. Chrom was a representative of the current face of what we already have, Sceptile is, yes Marketing, but also is completing an innate necessity of what Pokemon is. I push the marketing aspect as to why it is likely, but quite frankly, there are a handful of other reasons as to why it would be a great idea in terms of playstyle and merit.
We have in fact been given more information about Pokemon as well. Sakurai flat out stated how he choses Pokemon, which is a pretty darn big indication of who we may get. Among this he asked who was popular, citing anime appearances. This means he is in specific collaboration with Game Freak to find out what is happening and what is about to be happening. Ash has a Charizard, he is about to have a Greninja, and he has a Sceptile. I'd bet money Sceptile returns when Ash gets into the season correlation to the Hoenn remakes, too.

I am going to go quote my Sceptile 'too big' essay that everyone is a huge fan of

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Geno? That seems random.

 

[queenrosetta]

other than the legendaries, starters and Pikachu what other pokemon are very popular I can name 1 Lucario. Lucario is a regular everyday pokemon that has its own movie
quote="DukeNapoleon, post: 17272950, member: 241220"]I want to take a minute to talk about who I want in Pokemon/what I think would make the most sense.
1- Pikachu
2- Charizard
3- Sceptile
4- Greninja
5- Lucario
6- Mewtwo
*7- Pokemon Trainer- (Utilizing Summon attacks of six basic Pokemon for summons, as well as Pokeball attacks instead of Punches and kicks, which trap opponents in different ways in the Pokeball)
*8- Pokemon Ranger- Utilizing a variety of different Eeveelutions, controlled through her stylus. I think this would cover the basis of Eevee's importance to Pokemon, allowing a very unique Pokemon character,
*9- Team Rocket- This would be A Grunt, with emphasis placed probably on Meowth, who would not fight like any other Pokemon character, and would fight like a trap-gone-wrong/gone right Looney Tune. Anime inspired, but derived from the games fully.
I think this is a way to properly cover all areas of Pokemon; all divisions of the game (including main spinoff games such as Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Pinball, Snap), and supplementary characters. It adds in the effects of the battle mechanics, the items, the multiple battles, the strategic way in which Pokemon makes you fight, and just represents the series' beyond individual characters ever could. It is a lot, but this is why I have the starred characters, the ones who would be added if the game reached up to 65 characters, or if those spinoff games counted as subseries just as Mario games do.
BUT WHAT ABOUT JIGGLYPUFF?
There is a controversy over her. The debate is essentially that she is a staple with a heavily enjoyed moveset, and that her Intellectual Property (IP/ as a character) she is outdated.
To me, this is solved by giving her move set to another character. Sure, everyone is not happy. Some people believe that because she was in the original game, she should never be cut. I think this is a ...poor idea, because adopting to change is a necessity to life.

Spoiler

Yet, I can identify with the idea that her move set is amazing, and that as a simple to make character, she should stay.
I also identify with the fact that, no matter how you look at it, Pokemon is the most competitive franchise for additions. It has over 800 character options, always growing, with more than 20 games, and a fan base that is researched by economists as a phenomenon because it covers such an array of media.
We can say there are not slots, but there are not going to be thirty Pokemon characters. This is too many, and we all could understand this. Jigglypuff is, as many have said, a smash character, and it is just a little bit difficult that a smash character must occupy the seat of a character for the most competitive franchise.
SO, substitute her move set into another character. For me, I choose Boo. I love Boo, down to his name, and think he is choice one if Luigi ever does branch out enough. The move set transference is truly uncanny.
-Floatation as always
-Kicks with Tail instead of feet
-Charged pounce instead of Rollout
-Scare instead of Rest (he says, BOO)
-Intangible UP B.
Of course, Boo is just one idea for this. It could be another character. The point is, keep her move set, get rid of the outdated character. I think there is a possibility we will see this with Sheik in the future too, transference to Impa. Just, possibly.

Pretty sure eevee is more popular. Popular stores actually make her tshirts. And I hear more people talk about her and her eeveelutions. You don't see much of anything about lucario besides the one movie outside of the games

Edit. The messed up quotes messed up my message too!

 

[pupNapoleon]

And guys; we are back with this. One day I will edit it again.

Sceptile discussion, from all those in here angry that he actually has a greater probability, and a lot more going to him than simply completing the holy type trinity.

REASONS POKEMON DESERVES THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES...

Spoiler

...BUT....WHAT ABOUT THAT ITALIAN PLUMBER?

Spoiler

PRECEDENT SAYS WE WILL GET ANOTHER NEW POKEMON!

Spoiler

WHAT DOES SCEPTILE HAVE GOING FOR HIM?

Spoiler

Grass Raptor vs Fire Chicken:

Spoiler

Speculation:

Spoiler

 

[The Black mage]

Annnnnndddd look what I have started by posting that... Wonderful

 

[Masonomace]

Ohhh mann. . .Mega Sceptile appeared once again. Everyone hide your Pikachu's.

 

[Espio264]

I feel as though you are missing the point. Lucina is not relevant. Sakurai's words are relevant. He essentially confirms that characters such as Dark Pit are going to be in their own slot as opposed to an alternate costume. I do enjoy my words, but not as much as I enjoy Sakurai-senpai's words.

The Silver Bow would probably give most of his normals different properties or attributes and if he were a clone, he would animate the Silver Bow as opposed to Palutena's Bow, that much is certain. I do agree that certain aspects are disputable, such as his beautiful and immaculate Dark Pit Staff; however, he is going to have differences in the event that he is a clone. No clone in Smash is objectively a clone. There are subtle differences. Pandora's power of flight would probably entail a different recovery move and whatnot.

Dr. Mario should not be a costume. If we examine precedent, we would see that I am indeed correct.

Perhaps not, but I believe that I have supported my opinion better, and therefore, I feel as though it is the more logical opinion to adhere to. Your opinion is arbitrary, nothing indicates that Sakurai feels the same way.

Fine. I don't wanna be the loudest personality in the room. Have your Dark Pit. Me, Falco, Ike and Mewtwo will be over in the corner. But when they give us each the detonators to "blow up the other boat" will you be the one to justify yourself because we "know what we did, we made our choices?" Or will you be the one to "do what you shoulda did ten minutes ago?"

Either way, not the heroes that we need, but the heroes that we deserve are coming.

I'm walking away from this argument because "I don't want to kill you. You're just too much fun."

 

[Morbi]

Fine. I don't wanna be the loudest personality in the room. Have your Dark Pit. Me, Falco, Ike and Mewtwo will be over in the corner. But when they give us each the detonators to "blow up the other boat" will you be the one to justify yourself because we "know what we did, we made our choices?" Or will you be the one to "do what you shoulda did ten minutes ago?"

Either way, not the heroes that we need, but the heroes that we deserve are coming.

I'm walking away from this argument because "I don't want to kill you. You're just too much fun."

I thought we were discussing Dark Pit, not the Dark Knight.

 

[Masonomace]

Pretty sure eevee is more popular. Popular stores actually make her tshirts. And I hear more people talk about her and her eeveelutions. You don't see much of anything about lucario besides the one movie outside of the games

Edit. The messed up quotes messed up my message too!

You may hear more about Eevee from poeple's conversations you eavesdropper, but you can't deny the awesomeness that Lucario T-shirts can compare to the Eevee-lution shirts:

Also sup, your avatar was momentary eye candy.

 

[Scamper52596]

I thought we were discussing Dark Pit, not the Dark Knight.

The whole Boards are about to be discussing Meta Knight here in a moment...

 

[Masonomace]

The whole Boards are about to be discussing Meta Knight here in a moment...

But there's soooooooooooooo much discussion about Dark Pit & Pokemon.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

I find it hilarious that a Mii dressed as a Knight with Bat-wings was just shown moments after that glorious Batman-infused post.

 

[queenrosetta]

You may hear more about Eevee from poeple's conversations you eavesdropper, but you can't deny the awesomeness that Lucario T-shirts can compare to the Eevee-lution shirts:

Also sup, your avatar was momentary eye candy.

(Eavesdropper and proud lol)
Lol I'm not saying he doesn't have cool shirts I'm just saying in actual retailers eevees gets shirts.

And about my avatar. Thanks I know I'm gorgeous hahaha

 

[pupNapoleon]

Wow... Meta Knight mask.

So... he is likely in.

Just like he was before.

Back to Pokemon.

Moderator Edit: Please use a permanent link when posting the pic of the day.

 

[Masonomace]

(Eavesdropper and proud lol)
Lol I'm not saying he doesn't have cool shirts I'm just saying in actual retailers eevees gets shirts.

And about my avatar. Thanks I know I'm gorgeous hahaha

): I guess I have to agree with that, I don't see much Lucario or Eevee, but it's moreless a matter of where your looking when purchasing / shopping online. Because sometimes retailers are lamefests.
Stay gorgeous then hotness.

Also I'm curious about where yesterday's PotD is. . .Maybe Monday really will have something interesting. , ,!!!

 

[Burruni]

Well, you know how people thought Meta Knight would be cut because he was too OP in Brawl? ...despite the case not being true for Pikachu or Fox?

MetaKnight confirmed.

Edit:'d!

 

[CodeBlue_]

A more realistic Pokémon popularity chart imo:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario/Mewtwo
Eevee+Eeveelutions
Greninja
Blaziken/Sceptile/Infernape (Infernape may be competitive bias)
Scizor/Arcanine
Salamence/Dragonite/Metagross
Jigglypuff
Gengar/Typhlosion/Blastoise/Electivire
Zoroark/Hawlucha

Gonna abstain from the baby Pokémon/Pika clones in this chart. Also correct me if I misspelled some Pokémon.

Any thoughts guys?

EDIT: Where's my Meta Knight Sakurai </3

 

[Masonomace]

Well, you know how people thought Meta Knight would be cut because he was too OP in Brawl? ...despite the case not being true for Pikachu or Fox?

MetaKnight confirmed.

Edit:'d!

You 'd my I was gonna lay you down. Bummer May Horus. . .

 

[pupNapoleon]

A more realistic Pokémon popularity chart imo:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario/Mewtwo
Eevee+Eeveelutions
Greninja
Blaziken/Sceptile/Infernape (Infernape may be competitive bias)
Scizor/Arcanine
Salamence/Dragonite/Metagross
Jigglypuff
Gengar/Typhlosion/Blastoise/Electivire
Zoroark/Hawlucha

Gonna abstain from the baby Pokémon/Pika clones in this chart. Also correct me if I misspelled some Pokémon.

Any thoughts guys?

EDIT: Where's my Meta Knight Sakurai </3

Legendaries are a big deal.
In general, competitive vs casual is a big difference here, as well.

 

[Masonomace]

A more realistic Pokémon popularity chart imo:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario/Mewtwo
Eevee+Eeveelutions
Greninja
Blaziken/Sceptile/Infernape (Infernape may be competitive bias)
Scizor/Arcanine
Salamence/Dragonite/Metagross
Jigglypuff
Gengar/Typhlosion/Blastoise/Electivire
Zoroark/Hawlucha

Gonna abstain from the baby Pokémon/Pika clones in this chart. Also correct me if I misspelled some Pokémon.

Any thoughts guys?

EDIT: Where's my Meta Knight Sakurai </3

Shouldn't Charizard be number 1? He IS #1. . .
Also slashes to have tie placers are banned. I'm borrowing Captain Falcon's quote for a second.

There's only 2 kinds of racers, me & the losers!

Only Charizard should be on the list no one else. They all retired.

Seriously though Charizard #1, but it gets complicated after that involving aspects & mechanics to Pokemon. Eevee-lutions should be high because of the emphasis on their design & purpose, but they don't get that high rate of popularity when compared to just fan-favorites being Legendaries or Starters. Pseudo-legendaries get a reputable status too, I'd be adding just pokemon elements from the games rather than pokemon alone. Still though I'm not deisagreeing much with it. It's a decent list that's understandable.

Edit: I'm foolish & overthinking perhaps. You may ignore my post if you wish to~

 

[Spinosaurus]

Pikachu is easy number 1.

 

[Masonomace]

Just watched Mega Sceptile & Shiny MegaMetagross. They probably skyrocketed popularity just now with that distribution of the Shiny Beldum for November 21 via internet.

There better be a mega ring / bangle that's a droppable item in SSB5, Metagross summon never felt so intimidating, until 5+ years from now.

Lastly pokemon not accounting the games, Pikachu is def #1. In the games + pokemon fan-favorites, Charizard is #1. After that it's Mewtwo & or Pikachu?

 

[Burruni]

So, just to recap.

>25 veterans and 11 (13 due to Mii fighters) newcomers known in the roster for 38 characters in 36 slots.
>5 Veterans with soft confirmations (Ness, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario, Meta Knight).
So, we essentially know 42 in 40.
Jigglypuff, Falco, Ganondorf, and basically R.O.B. are, in my opinion, guarrenteed due to how original their moves are, the sheer fan love, being crucial for their franchise, or being... Sakurai's main, among other reasons.
I feel like we can't count Lucas or Wolf out, either, but they are just less likely.
That would take us up to 47 character slots, 49 characters.
Personally, I see 4 more newcomers in a 4x13 including Random. But.. believe what you want.

Nobody start a flame war over a veteran on this list, though.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Wario got a soft confirmation too. Ashley AT and for some reason Waluigi as well, even if it doesn't make sense.

And there's that eShop thing and SDCC.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Just watched Mega Sceptile & Shiny MegaMetagross. They probably skyrocketed popularity just now with that distribution of the Shiny Beldum for November 21 via internet.

There better be a mega ring / bangle that's a droppable item in SSB5, Metagross summon never felt so intimidating, until 5+ years from now.

Lastly pokemon not accounting the games, Pikachu is def #1. In the games + pokemon fan-favorites, Charizard is #1. After that it's Mewtwo & or Pikachu?

...his Mega form is that he turns 90 degrees?

WTF! Some of these mega forms are so terribly lacking in transformative qualities.

 

[Masonomace]

So, just to recap.

>25 veterans and 11 (13 due to Mii fighters) newcomers known in the roster for 38 characters in 36 slots.
>4 Veterans with soft confirmations (Ness, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Meta Knight).
So, we essentially know 42 in 40.
Jigglypuff, Falco, Ganondorf, Wario, and basically R.O.B. are, in my opinion, guarrenteed due to how original their moves are, the sheer fan love, being crucial for their franchise, or being... Sakurai's main, among other reasons.
I feel like we can't count Lucas or Wolf out, either, but they are just less likely.
That would take us up to 47 character slots, 49 characters.
Personally, I see 4 more newcomers in a 4x13 including Random. But.. believe what you want.

Nobody start a flame war over a veteran on this list, though.

Check
What proc'd Ice Climbers to have a soft confirmation, eggsactly?
That's about it. Not going to start a flame war or anything.
Edit: What Spinosaurus said, about Wario getting hinted being a soft confirmation
Double Edit:

...his Mega form is that he turns 90 degrees?

WTF! Some of these mega forms are so terribly lacking in transformative qualities.

. . .yuuup. Pretty much.
<Still waiting on MegaTropius.

 

[Burruni]

Wario got a soft confirmation too. Ashley AT and for some reason Waluigi as well, even if it doesn't make sense.

And there's that eShop thing and SDCC.

.....Forgot about that. TO EDITING.

 

[Spinosaurus]

. . .yuuup. Pretty much.
<Still waiting on MegaTropius.

That and Megalodon Sharpedo.

Though Sharpedo and Camerupt are probably getting megas anyhow, and thank god for that.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

But be honest though, A year ago, before we knew about most of the cast, before we knew about Greninja, would Sceptile have been so high on your list? Would he have been on there at all?

A year ago, the viable choices most of us speculated were:

Lucario returning
Pokemon Trainer returning (all three intact)
A possible second trainer with XY starters
Mewtwo returning at long last
Zoroark
Jigglypuff returning
and throw in Genesect for those few hopefuls.

There may have been a few people who supported Sceptile, but if you look at my first roster, I've got Scizor on it. They weren't seriously under the impression it would happen, they were just fans, like me and my Scizor love.

After Greninja everything changed and the TYPE TRIFECTA suddenly was a thing. Not a real thing based on fact from Sakurai, but a thing based on hopes and dreams from a few starry eyed Smashboarders. He makes a hell of a lot of sense, sure, but that doesn't make him definite.

I probably would've ended up with this as my prediction:

- Pikachu, Jiggs, Mewtwo, and Lucario all return
- Pokemon Trainer with tweaked roster (Charizard, Grovyle, and Totodile)
- Possibly Hawlucha instead due to looking badass during the 6th gen. I wanted Hawlucha in so bad until Greninja was revealed

I'm happy with the list so far anyway

 

[Burruni]

Check
What proc'd Ice Climbers to have a soft confirmation, eggsactly?
That's about it. Not going to start a flame war or anything.
Edit: What Spinosaurus said, about Wario getting hinted being a soft confirmation
Double Edit:

. . .yuuup. Pretty much.
<Still waiting on MegaTropius.

1) The fact that Rosalina & Luma were revealed to work on 3DS after Icies got name dropped as a hump in the development.
2)

This hunky piece of fur. And I don't mean DK.

Edit: 3) Kirby's shown custom option for Inhale being an Icy Breath just like the Icies, and the only other reason for "frozen" models are: Suicune, Freezies, and PK Freeze.

 

[Starcutter]

So anyways, if we were to get Pokemon from promotion and not recency....

We'd probably get Eevee and Meowth over Greninja and Lucario, with lucario being a maybe since he's pretty promoted since his creation.

 

[Masonomace]

That and Megalodon Sharpedo.

Though Sharpedo and Camerupt are probably getting megas anyhow, and thank god for that.

Yes please!
A dream for Sharpedo like it was for Bagon to be Salemence. He's a dragon airplane

I feel. . .no it couldn't be. . .could it?. . .
Sharpedo's Mega Evolution is him becoming a Submarine with torpedo like-eyes? It literally evolves his design of being a Shark torpedo, & taking the most referenced origin making him a submarine that shoots torpedos.

I. . do want that? No. Ugh Idk it'd have to do him justice.

I still want Megalodon. But nerf it to a Whale Shark

Mega Camerupt. . now that is something I'll leave to the future to show me.

1) The fact that Rosalina & Luma were revealed to work on 3DS after Icies got name dropped as a hump in the development.
2)

This hunky piece of fur. And I don't mean DK.

Oooooooh right I forgot thanks. I've been reminded why now. Thanks again. Was eggselent

So anyways, if we were to get Pokemon from promotion and not recency....

We'd probably get Eevee and Meowth over Greninja and Lucario, with lucario being a maybe since he's pretty promoted since his creation.

Excluding their pokeballs cus they don't eggsist, I'd agree with Meowth, not so much Eevee, why would my subjective sentence say that?

 

[epicgordan]

So, just to recap.

>25 veterans and 11 (13 due to Mii fighters) newcomers known in the roster for 38 characters in 36 slots.
>5 Veterans with soft confirmations (Ness, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario, Meta Knight).
So, we essentially know 42 in 40.
Jigglypuff, Falco, Ganondorf, and basically R.O.B. are, in my opinion, guarrenteed due to how original their moves are, the sheer fan love, being crucial for their franchise, or being... Sakurai's main, among other reasons.
I feel like we can't count Lucas or Wolf out, either, but they are just less likely.
That would take us up to 47 character slots, 49 characters.
Personally, I see 4 more newcomers in a 4x13 including Random. But.. believe what you want.

Nobody start a flame war over a veteran on this list, though.

It's actually more like:

>25 veterans and 11 (13 if you count Mii Fighters separately) for 38 characters in 36 slots.
>7 Veterans with soft confirmations (Ness, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario, Meta Knight, Falco, Wolf)
- Ness game from the Earthbound items; Ice Climbers from a 2012 interview; Game & Watch in the Pac-Man trailer; Meta Knight from tonight's potd; Wario from the eShop leak; and Falco and Wolf from the SDCC near-slip (anybody who could read lips could tell that he almost leaked Falco and Wolf, but the silent mouthed words were clearly "Falco or Wolf?"
>At least 1 newcomer reserved for a trailer.

In total, we know of 45 playable characters in 43 slots; and we are guaranteed at least 46 playable characters in 44 slots.

Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, and ROB are currently lacking in solid evidence, but they appear to be a deadlock. So assuming that these three return as well, we are looking at bare minimum, a roster size of 49 playable characters in 47 slots--add one more to the equation as well if Lucas is to return. And Mewtwo is the other wild horse in this as well for 51 characters with 49 slots!

But what about newcomers? So far, all of these characters have a stake at being playable: Ridley, Shulk, Chorus Kids, Dark Pit, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, 8-Bit Mario, Duck Hunt Dog, Mach Rider, Krystal, Bandana Dee, N, and any of the remaining leftover Assist Trophies from Brawl (within reason, of course). At bare minimum, I am expecting at least five of these characters will be playable.

 

[Kenith]

What's the general consensus on the amount of characters we will see in this game?
At the point, I imagine the average estimate is 50 characters.

Incidentally, my newest prediction roster ended up being 49 individual characters (not counting Miis)
So it's actually sub-50.

 

[Masonomace]

Based on past Smash Brothers number of slots growing, I'm still saying 50+. 51 for random as my least number guess. I become doubtful of any number over 54, unless it's 55 for that random slot, going 9 x 6 dimensions, or 10 x 5 making it 54 total characteres making random 55.

I'm still content with 51 + DLC in future.