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Nat Perry

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Now that I think about it Dixie would indeed be better as a separate character, she's more floaty than Diddy and her being a complete clone with different animations wouldn't exactly be representative of her when they have the complete capacity to stay true to her feel in the DKC series.

Still though, even though it seems Sakurai is indeed focusing on characters who have appeared in recent titles post-Brawl like you said @ N3ON N3ON , I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that K. Rool is in the realm of possibility. He's a villain in a significant series that hasn't been given a role in Smash Bros. at all, and I'd go as far as to say that he's actually been missing in Smash Bros.
 
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Concerning the DK debate,

Who is to say that we wont have a similar situation happen to DK as to what happened to FE? A newcomer with a unique moveset, K Rool, and a clone/semi clone (depending on your opinion,) Dixie.

I mean, it would make a lot of sense, and DK getting 4 characters is something I consider to be very possible.
 

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No no, K. Rool certainly isn't outside the realm of possibility, I just think his main competition has more in her favour with what Sakurai seems to be caring about this time.
 

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Concerning the DK debate,

Who is to say that we wont have a similar situation happen to DK as to what happened to FE? A newcomer with a unique moveset, K Rool, and a clone/semi clone (depending on your opinion,) Dixie.

I mean, it would make a lot of sense, and DK getting 4 characters is something I consider to be very possible.
Certainly. That's a possibility for sure. The only reason I don't think there will be, is because Lucina is apparently a special case.
 

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What evidence does 8-Bit Mario have?

Also, a LOT of those percentages are waaaay too high.
The Amiibo segment with the Nintendo Treehouse had all these bubbles of potential Amiibo figurines. What particularly stood out was two things:

1. Every other character has been in some capacity or another, confirmed for Super Smash Bros. save for 8-Bit Mario; given the fact that Lucina and Mr. Game & Watch were not yet confirmed for the game and we all know they are playable in this game, it adds to 8-Bit Mario's chances, especially since the confirmed characters that aren't playable already had their roles confirmed beforehand (such as Isabelle and Tom Nook). So why simply chalk this up to being about just amiibos when all the characters portrayed are in the game save for him?

2. Mario appeared twice; once as an 8-Bit sprite, and once in his updated 3D model--at the same time, no less.

The evidence in question isn't much, granted, but I haven't seen anything suggesting Dixie Kong, Excitebiker, or Duck Hunt Dog at all. But if I were to simply go by who is most likely, all three have a much better shot at being playable than 8-Bit.

Also, the percentages are based on how confident I am that these characters will be playable, not on how likely they are to be playable in general. Even I am willing to admit that 8-Bit Mario is a stretch, but it is worth noting that we're talking about a game series that gave us ROB and Mr. Game & Watch, and designated each of them as the new joke character of their respective games. Simply chalking this up to mere straw-grasping on my part would be foolish, especially since it could very well happen. And no, he would not be a clone at all, but I've talked to death about that as is. I just look over all the angles to see who is likely, and this is the result (though I must admit that Reyn's chances are next to nonexistent, but who could blame me? I want "Reyn Time" to be in the game if Shulk is going to be playable).

Also, whose percentages aside from 8-Bit do you find too high and why? I am very curious to listen provided you don't go into a, uh...tangent...to say the least.
 

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Honestly only as an alt costume, it suits her best as one.
Not even close. Dixie is very unique and different than Diddy. Even if she is a clone, they would have to make her a seperate character due to the different animations. Its the reason why Lucina and Marth have different slots.

Dixie is a 'female sidekick' but that isn't a right way to say it. Female Sidekick = Companion. Minor nitpick. Also Diddy isn't a sidekick. He outranks Mario, Yoshi, and Link according to DKC2.
 

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I see Dixie more likely then K. Rool and I don't know why. The Kremlings being in Smash Run could have multiple meanings. It could be:

1) Of course Sakurai would add rather iconic enemies from one of the most iconic Nintendo franchises.
2) Just for the sake of adding enemies from the Donkey Kong series. Like really. Why not? - Sakurai.
3 ) Almost the same as what I stated above number 2. Of course Sakurai would add enemies from the most iconic Nintendo franchises. Its not hard to comprehend, really.

Think about it.
 

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Dammit, now I'm getting the feel that Dixie is more likely too. K. Rool is clearly the more sensible choice though and his chances don't look so bad, it's just that a certain pattern isn't reflective of his current standing.

This "pattern" also craps on Ray MK III's chances, but favors Isaac's. Oh, Baxter.
 
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To be honest I kind of want a character that isn't new. With Shulk being a huge possibility, and us having Rosalina, Greninja, Little Mac, Palutena, Robin, WFT, Villager, and Lucina who all have appeared somewhat recently, it'd be cool to have a character like King K. or Duck Hunt Dog to join the cast.
 

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To be honest I kind of want a character that isn't new. With Shulk being a huge possibility, and us having Rosalina, Greninja, Little Mac, Palutena, Robin, WFT, Villager, and Lucina who all have appeared somewhat recently, it'd be cool to have a character like King K. or Duck Hunt Dog to join the cast.
Well, Skyward Sword is the earliest game in the Zelda timeline chronologically, so...
 

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Not trying to discredit Dixie supporters, in fact I want her myself. I just want K Rool more.

I would just find it weird to see Kremlings show up in Smash run but K Rool wasnt in the game (of course, boss is always an option as well.) How many times have Kremlings shown up without K Rool being there as well? I think Mario Strikers and Diddy Kong Racing were the only times, and DKR is a bad example because not even DK was in that game and K Rool was involved with the story (Krunch is ordered by K Rool to watch Diddy as he might be up to something.)

Point is, I personally think K Rool will show up in some way in the game besides a trophy. He might not be playable, but a boss/stage hazard (on gangplank galleon?)/AT (cannons everywhere) I find to be highly likely.
 

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To be honest I kind of want a character that isn't new. With Shulk being a huge possibility, and us having Rosalina, Greninja, Little Mac, Palutena, Robin, WFT, Villager, and Lucina who all have appeared somewhat recently, it'd be cool to have a character like King K. or Duck Hunt Dog to join the cast.
Little Mac and Villager are new?
 

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The Amiibo segment with the Nintendo Treehouse had all these bubbles of potential Amiibo figurines. What particularly stood out was two things:

1. Every other character has been in some capacity or another, confirmed for Super Smash Bros. save for 8-Bit Mario; given the fact that Lucina and Mr. Game & Watch were not yet confirmed for the game and we all know they are playable in this game, it adds to 8-Bit Mario's chances, especially since the confirmed characters that aren't playable already had their roles confirmed beforehand (such as Isabelle and Tom Nook). So why simply chalk this up to being about just amiibos when all the characters portrayed are in the game save for him?

2. Mario appeared twice; once as an 8-Bit sprite, and once in his updated 3D model--at the same time, no less.

The evidence in question isn't much, granted, but I haven't seen anything suggesting Dixie Kong, Excitebiker, or Duck Hunt Dog at all. But if I were to simply go by who is most likely, all three have a much better shot at being playable than 8-Bit.

Also, the percentages are based on how confident I am that these characters will be playable, not on how likely they are to be playable in general. Even I am willing to admit that 8-Bit Mario is a stretch, but it is worth noting that we're talking about a game series that gave us ROB and Mr. Game & Watch, and designated each of them as the new joke character of their respective games. Simply chalking this up to mere straw-grasping on my part would be foolish, especially since it could very well happen. And no, he would not be a clone at all, but I've talked to death about that as is. I just look over all the angles to see who is likely, and this is the result (though I must admit that Reyn's chances are next to nonexistent, but who could blame me? I want "Reyn Time" to be in the game if Shulk is going to be playable).

Also, whose percentages aside from 8-Bit do you find too high and why? I am very curious to listen provided you don't go into a, uh...tangent...to say the least.
I'm not against 8-Bit nessicerily, but what would he do? Granted its possible to make stuff from scratch, but Gdub had all his mini games, and ROB is a generic robot. I'm curious to see what 8-but can do
 

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Little Mac and Villager are new?
They've appeared recently is what I meant. I want a character that would be able to bring back a cool franchise, or just so they can bring the character back (In King K's Kase). Much like how Pit being in Smash, gave us Uprising.

Their is a certain Puzzle series that hasn't gotten a REAL game from said franchise since the SNES.
 

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Allow me to add my two cents on the whole King K. Rool situation. The Kremlings in Smash Run is definitely one contributing factor, but all that does alone is add evidence that he'd have a role in the game. Fact of the matter is, the amount of time that has passed since learning about said Kremlings without a confirmation or disconfirmation makes it seem almost perfectly clear that King K. Rool will be playable. This is especially if one were to compare K. Rool to Takamaru. Remember how the hype was built up for Takamaru's chances to join the battle when it was announced that his game was to come out worldwide on VC? Yeah, that was Saturday, and Sakurai wasted no time at all in clearing his situation up.

So then, why hasn't he done the same thing with King K. Rool? Or by extension, Ridley or Dark Pit? He's just letting these potential teases and hype building go by without saying a word on what their roles are. It is for this reason that I am very confident in all three of their chances.

PS: I'm predicting that Shulk's trailer will be shown in the August Direct.
 

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Allow me to add my two cents on the whole King K. Rool situation. The Kremlings in Smash Run is definitely one contributing factor, but all that does alone is add evidence that he'd have a role in the game. Fact of the matter is, the amount of time that has passed since learning about said Kremlings without a confirmation or disconfirmation makes it seem almost perfectly clear that King K. Rool will be playable. This is especially if one were to compare K. Rool to Takamaru. Remember how the hype was built up for Takamaru's chances to join the battle when it was announced that his game was to come out worldwide on VC? Yeah, that was Saturday, and Sakurai wasted no time at all in clearing his situation up.

So then, why hasn't he done the same thing with King K. Rool? Or by extension, Ridley or Dark Pit? He's just letting these potential teases and hype building go by without saying a word on what their roles are. It is for this reason that I am very confident in all three of their chances.

PS: I'm predicting that Shulk's trailer will be shown in the August Direct.
That's a good way to get your hopes high enough that they'll very possibly be crushed come full roster reveal. Same thing happened with Brawl.

There's a lot of blind faith that happens when people are confident in something because we don't really know about it and can't prove it either way. :/
 

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Not trying to discredit Dixie supporters, in fact I want her myself. I just want K Rool more.

I would just find it weird to see Kremlings show up in Smash run but K Rool wasnt in the game (of course, boss is always an option as well.) How many times have Kremlings shown up without K Rool being there as well? I think Mario Strikers and Diddy Kong Racing were the only times, and DKR is a bad example because not even DK was in that game and K Rool was involved with the story (Krunch is ordered by K Rool to watch Diddy as he might be up to something.)

Point is, I personally think K Rool will show up in some way in the game besides a trophy. He might not be playable, but a boss/stage hazard (on gangplank galleon?)/AT (cannons everywhere) I find to be highly likely.
K. Rool being in the game as a boss/stage hazard/assist trophy would be more disappointed then not being present in the game at all.
 

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That's a good way to get your hopes high enough that they'll very possibly be crushed come full roster reveal. Same thing happened with Brawl.

There's a lot of blind faith that happens when people are confident in something because we don't really know about it and can't prove it either way.
That pretty much applies to all speculation doe, for whoever chooses take it that far.

Like for the confidence in the playability of a certain purple dragon. And Chrom.
 
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The reason I don't think Dark Pit will happen is because he literally lines up with Sakurai's thoughts on clones/alts. As in, he's basically alternate costume material.

Not to mention, if he were in the game as playable, why wouldn't they have just revealed him in the Palutena trailer? That would have been the best time to reveal him. I myself think that that ending was a hint at him being an alternate costume. But eh. To each his own.
The problem I have with Dark Pit as an alternate costume is that he isn't Pit. He doesn't go by the name Pit, therefore it would be strange for the audience to cheer "Pit" and for the winner to be "Pit" if the alternate costume is specifically marketed as Dark Pit. However an alternate color scheme is fine. Alternate costume... Not a fan of the idea.

And they could have revealed him in the Palutena trailer, but I suppose I should bring up Mr. Game & Watch, who doesn't show up on the page despite showing up at the end of Pac-Man's trailer. Some may argue that this is a different case, but both are potentially secret characters that were not revealed when teased at the end of a character's trailer.

I'm not 100% on Pittoo, but I think he has more going for him than people give him credit for.
 

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That pretty much applies to all speculation doe, for whoever chooses take it that far.

Like for the confidence in the playability of a certain purple dragon. And Chrom.
I think the problem lies in people taking it that far, clinging to hopes they validate by a lack of deconfirmations. Sometimes it pans out for them and sometimes it doesn't, but I think the longer you've been trying to predict Sakurai the more you realize the best course is just to come in with wishes instead of expectations and go with the flow (or at least don't become overly invested in your expectations). It's just a game after all.
 

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Thing is, Sakurai seemingly only considered Awakening characters. If he wanted someone more unique than Dixie (who I very much doubt would be subject to the same fate as Chrom - especially since her main gimmick - her hair, isn't shared by Diddy) based on precedent... he'd probably go with Cranky. I know that's quite the claim to make, but Sakurai looked first and foremost at Awakening. He chose Rosalina, the underdog over several characters more popular, just as feasible, but less impacting in the recent years. He allocated a spot for an X/Y Pokemon before he considered Mewtwo. It looks like we might not even get a true retro character. He's very clearly chosen which era he's picking his characters from, and it's not one that includes K. Rool in any prominent role. I agree he could be unique, and I agree that he's important within the series. I even think he'd be a better addition than Dixie, but I don't think any of those things are what Sakurai is focusing on this time. I think it's pretty obvious he's looking at what's happened since Brawl, and if there's already a character who had a fairly good record in an underrepresented series and now has made a return in a prevalent, important, and popular game, I think that's going to give them the edge over a character who hasn't made any large impacts... for a long time now. Also, Sakurai tried and failed with Chrom. If we wanted to go the Chrom route for explaining why Dixie wouldn't make it, he would try first with Dixie, and do you really think he'd not be able to come up with a moveset for her? The guy already had a vision of how she'd play last time, and I can't imagine it would've been a direct copy of Diddy even if it was to be a semi-cloned moveset.
Fire Emblem is a series with a very fluid cast. In a series that changes characters with each game, it makes sense to pick from the newest game. Same with Pokemon, though I don't think we should dismiss Mewtwo quite so soon. With Rosalina, she's (pardon the pun) a rising star in the Mario series, and offered, like Robin, something that her "competition" could not. Sakurai could have very easily thought of Toad as nothing but moveset fodder and Bowser Jr. as a smaller Bowser clone, whereas he could give Rosalina a puppeteer moveset.

Donkey Kong Country has kept the same sort of cast since its inception, generally. K. Rool has a big part in most of them, barring the two most recent. And even then, it's not like Dixie's a "rising star," as she basically is the same as when she was playable before, unlike Rosalina's ever-expanding appearances. And Cranky's already disconfirmed. :p

Hence, despite being in one more (possibly too recent) recent game than K. Rool has, I think K. Rool has an edge over Dixie.

People are underselling Dixie's potential for uniqueness just because they want K. Rool to be the one included, and I don't really blame them, but we can't discard Sakurai's penchant for being able to create movesets we'd never suspect and finding originality even if he can't for every character. People were expecting Rosalina would only ever amount to a semi-clone, and look how that ended up. Dixie does have clear potential, both as an original character and a clone, which is not a point against her.
I fully acknowledge that Dixie can be made unique in a sort of Millia-type style, for example, but I just feel that, like with Robin, K. Rool would just "jump out" at Sakurai faster for being more unique. The option for semi-clone K. Rool doesn't really even exist. The closest people can make is arguably Dedede, but even that's a large stretch.

The difference between Dixie and Roy is that Dixie has continued to make high-profile appearances, she's not in the same position she was during Brawl where the last time she really mattered was like... with DKC3. To me it seems like Roy wasn't even considered this time because Sakurai was just focusing on Awakening.
She's really only made one high profile appearance since Brawl, and considering a "Tropical Freeze" character wasn't listed on the Sal Leak despite "X and Y" being on there may mean that it did come too late to matter. Maybe. Fair point with Roy though.

Also, Gangplank Galleon would me as much a giveaway for K. Rool as Pyrosphere was for Ridley. For all we know that would mean K. Rool could be a stage boss hazard thing, not a character. But looking at the selection of stages so far, I can't imagine we won't be getting a DK one not based on either DKCR or TF. Every single Nintendo series so far has had a stage based off a post-Brawl title, except SF for obvious reasons.
The thing here is timing. Pyrosphere was announced really early on, but there still isn't a DK stage, barring Jungle Japes. And even then, I'd say it'd point more to K. Rool, as it shows that Sakurai is aware of him still. I can't see Dixie playable with a K. Rool stage boss. And in regards to the other thing, I view it more as each new character getting a home stage, as opposed to just using new game stages. Arena Ferox is where Lucina is first fought, with Robin there too. Greninja has Lumiose City (where the Professor who gives it to you lives) and the Kalos League (essentially the last hoo-rah to use Greninja in). Most notably, Rosalina has a Galaxy stage, and not a 3D World stage. Hence, I think if K. Rool were playable, they'd use the Galleon due to it being his home stage.

I also don't understand why DK is being lumped with Diddy and Dixie in this three Kongs business, it's not like he plays similarly.
Visually, they're all brown-furred primates, like how Marth, Ike and Chrom were blue-haired swordsmen. Like Ike, DK may be more visually large, but the similarity is still there when a more distinct alternative (K. Rool/Robin) can be made.

Like I said, I wouldn't be pushing for recency if that didn't seem to be the clear way the tide is turning. Believe me. The focus on post-Brawl doesn't exactly help the characters I want to see either, but I'm not going to chalk up every Nintendo character being post-Brawl important as a coincidence.
Some of them didn't exist until then. Namely, these are Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Greninja, Robin, and Lucina (Chorus Kids and Shulk too, if you consider the leak). Pac-Man and Mega Man don't take from their recent appearances and are third party. Miis and Villager were considered, but Sakurai went back and added them this time. Really, the only newcomers that got more important post-Brawl were Little Mac and Palutena, and they had tons of fan popularity anyway.

Really the only thing that does bode well for K. Rool are the Kremlings, but that could still mean a number of things tbh.
But hey, we agree on this at least. :p
 

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That's a good way to get your hopes high enough that they'll very possibly be crushed come full roster reveal. Same thing happened with Brawl.

There's a lot of blind faith that happens when people are confident in something because we don't really know about it and can't prove it either way. :/
I'm just saying, if one compares the hype that was built up for King K. Rool and Takamaru, Sakurai is often very quick to disconfirm a candidate. It would make no sense for us to get Kremlings and not get K. Rool in some capacity either, so if he wanted to, he'd reveal King K. Rool as a trophy, boss, or what-have-you. Time, if anything, is K. Rool's friend rather than an enemy, especially since the odds are great he'd be a hidden character anyways.
 

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The problem I have with Dark Pit as an alternate costume is that he isn't Pit. He doesn't go by the name Pit, therefore it would be strange for the audience to cheer "Pit" and for the winner to be "Pit" if the alternate costume is specifically marketed as Dark Pit. However an alternate color scheme is fine. Alternate costume... Not a fan of the idea.
Well, I can respect that opinion, but...

"Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup."

...I don't think Sakurai agrees.
 

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The problem I have with Dark Pit as an alternate costume is that he isn't Pit. He doesn't go by the name Pit, therefore it would be strange for the audience to cheer "Pit" and for the winner to be "Pit" if the alternate costume is specifically marketed as Dark Pit. However an alternate color scheme is fine. Alternate costume... Not a fan of the idea.
The quote he's talking about actually says that the character count have different names and voices even if they were alts.
Lucina, for example, would still be Lucina, just in the same slot as Marth.

EDIT: :4greninja:'d.
 
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The Amiibo segment with the Nintendo Treehouse had all these bubbles of potential Amiibo figurines. What particularly stood out was two things:

1. Every other character has been in some capacity or another, confirmed for Super Smash Bros. save for 8-Bit Mario; given the fact that Lucina and Mr. Game & Watch were not yet confirmed for the game and we all know they are playable in this game, it adds to 8-Bit Mario's chances, especially since the confirmed characters that aren't playable already had their roles confirmed beforehand (such as Isabelle and Tom Nook). So why simply chalk this up to being about just amiibos when all the characters portrayed are in the game save for him?

2. Mario appeared twice; once as an 8-Bit sprite, and once in his updated 3D model--at the same time, no less.

The evidence in question isn't much, granted, but I haven't seen anything suggesting Dixie Kong, Excitebiker, or Duck Hunt Dog at all. But if I were to simply go by who is most likely, all three have a much better shot at being playable than 8-Bit.

Also, the percentages are based on how confident I am that these characters will be playable, not on how likely they are to be playable in general. Even I am willing to admit that 8-Bit Mario is a stretch, but it is worth noting that we're talking about a game series that gave us ROB and Mr. Game & Watch, and designated each of them as the new joke character of their respective games. Simply chalking this up to mere straw-grasping on my part would be foolish, especially since it could very well happen. And no, he would not be a clone at all, but I've talked to death about that as is. I just look over all the angles to see who is likely, and this is the result (though I must admit that Reyn's chances are next to nonexistent, but who could blame me? I want "Reyn Time" to be in the game if Shulk is going to be playable).

Also, whose percentages aside from 8-Bit do you find too high and why? I am very curious to listen provided you don't go into a, uh...tangent...to say the least.
Honestly, I feel as though 8-Bit Mario will be in the game in the same vein as Tom Nook or Isabelle; an assist trophy perhaps, maybe even a Final Smash. I do believe that he will be in the game as Smash pioneers the Amiibo movement, but I would not jump on the presumption that he is playable as Lucina was. I suppose it depends on when Lucina was converted from a costume to a character. Nevertheless, I only support one Mario, the true Mario, Dr. Mario.
 

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Honestly, I feel as though 8-Bit Mario will be in the game in the same vein as Tom Nook or Isabelle; an assist trophy perhaps, maybe even a Final Smash. I do believe that he will be in the game as Smash pioneers the Amiibo movement, but I would not jump on the presumption that he is playable as Lucina was. I suppose it depends on when Lucina was converted from a costume to a character. Nevertheless, I only support one Mario, the true Mario, Dr. Mario.
Yeah, I think 8-Bit will be a stage element if anything.
 

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Well, I can respect that opinion, but...

"Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup."

...I don't think Sakurai agrees.
Well that's new.

I always figured that Lucina would be called "Marth" if that was the case, because she did go as "Marth" for a chunk of Awakening. Give her a mask and it's perfectly justified.

It's always possible that Dark Pit is planned as an alt first, only to be upgraded to beef up the roster a la Lucina and what happened in Melee in the past. I'm not fully convinced that Dark Pit will be an alt, but this does prove your case.

I mean Dark Pit never uses the Three Sacred Treasures, so a new Final Smash would mean a separate I haracters right? They could bend the rules a bit, but since Sakurai's the creator of Uprising I doubt he would want to take the non-canon route here.
 
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Well, I can respect that opinion, but...

"Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup."

...I don't think Sakurai agrees.
Thing is, is that we don't have an example of a name change yet. We don't see/hear Male Wii Fit Trainer, Female Villager, Female Robin, just Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Robin.
 

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Well, I can respect that opinion, but...

"Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup."

...I don't think Sakurai agrees.
However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!

I do not believe that Sakurai agrees.
 

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Well that's new.

I always figured that Lucina would be called "Marth" if that was the case, because she did go as "Marth" for a chunk of Awakening. Give her a mask and it's perfectly justified.

It's always possible that Dark Pit is planned as an alt first, only to be upgraded to beef up the roster a la Lucina and what happened in Melee in the past. I'm not fully convinced that Dark Pit will be an alt, but this does prove your case.
Though the question remains whether or not Sakurai would want or feel the need to give Dark Pit any unique characteristics. After all, he is a literal clone of Pit. It would make sense for them to fight the exact same way. Unless there Sakurai has an incentive to make Dark Pit different from Pit, I think he'll remain an alternate costume.
 
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Though the question remains whether or not Sakurai would want or feel the need to give Dark Pit any unique characteristics. After all, he is a literal clone of Pit. It would make sense for them to fight the exact same way. Unless there Sakurai has an incentive to make Dark Pit different from Pit, I think he'll remain as an alternate costume.
Dark Pit has established himself as a different entity, he shares Pit's model, of course; however, I am certain that his different weapons and styles are relevant as Sakurai distinguished them in the first place. Albeit, he did indeed make them the same character in the battle mode, but it is not a question as to whether or not Pittoo is "slightly different" as he is. The question is whether or not Sakurai will recognize the notion in Smash.
 
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Though the question remains whether or not Sakurai would want or feel the need to give Dark Pit any unique characteristics. After all, he is a literal clone of Pit. It would make sense for them to fight the exact same way. Unless there Sakurai has an incentive to make Dark Pit different from Pit, I think he'll remain as an alternate costume.
Dark Pit does have different characteristics. He could have dark effects on his attacks similarly to how Roy had fire, he can have improved air time and aerial game (as a reference to his ability for fly infinitely while Pit can only fly with divine assistance), and his attacks would probably deal more knockback as opposed to Pit's damage-racking playstyle.

There are quite a few options on how to change Dark Pit up, and in my eyes he's one of the best clones that Sakurai could add right now.
 

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And if he's an alt costume, he'll need distinguishing palette swaps and an audio/visual name change.

I mean, that applies if he's a clone too.
 
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