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Black Shadow would be the only real clone (he would take Ganondorf's old moveset) and Dixie would be a semi-clone of Diddy. The rest would be completely original.
JaidynReiman
I hate this notion. I never said they COULDN'T. I just don't want them to, we have enough "alternate version of existing character" as is. And I don't think Ganon "deserves" to be a separate character (although he COULD be a separate character).
This is the most realistic roster I've seen yet tbh.
My somewhat-pessimistic mindset is that 51 total character slots, 53 characters is going to be our total for Sm4sh( 4x13+Random). Moving up from the 39 total characters in Brawl (counting the 3 in Pokemon Trainer as separate, the same for Mii Fighters), this is the amount Melee got added with ONE clone that can still have a different playstyle with the same moves based upon properties alongside some characters getting big overhauls for a lot more of the roster to be balanced? I love it! Keeping Melee cuts, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur out, we have a realistic chance of 4 newcomers. Everyone but Shulk on this roster will probably make me catch some flak, especially without some popular villains, but this is what I would like to see with realism. I don't think Marshal, Bandanna Dee, or Sceptile are too outlandish for choices in terms of characters, and as fighters they have their options to be unique. Wanna swap Sceptile for King K. Rool or Mewtwo? Feel free. I can't envision Ridley or Ghirahim as fighters here, however, and that's personal things and by no means am I Sakurai or anyone else making this game. (Technically, for a more "realistic" layout, I'd reposition Mii Fighters to the bottom left so they could turn into another Random slot online, sliding the rest of the row over one, and swap Ganondorf and Tink)
If we ended up with 5x11, with random, giving us another 3 slots. I'd feel better on characters like Isaac, King K. Rool, and maybe Bowser Jr. for another 3 newcomers but that is a bit of a stretch, considering the time we have remaining and the unknowns.
At this point I think I'd rather have big pig Ganon over another Zelda newcomer, he seems like he'd be a cool character, and he does hold more importance and prominence within the series than most one or two-shot characters, but I get where you're coming from.
The only thing I have a problem with is that, Donkey Kong only has two characters while Kirby has four. Now I know that, like how the Brawl opening trailer showed, that it was Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby as sort of the "big 4" but now that Donkey Kong entered the screen with Link, Kirby, Pikachu, and Mario in the 3DS trailer, and he was present in the Megaman trailer with Link, Mario, and Kirby (even Pikachu was missing) it makes me think that Sakurai thinks that Donkey Kong deserves more Representation.
My somewhat-pessimistic mindset is that 51 total character slots, 53 characters is going to be our total for Sm4sh( 4x13+Random). Moving up from the 39 total characters in Brawl (counting the 3 in Pokemon Trainer as separate, the same for Mii Fighters), this is the amount Melee got added with ONE clone that can still have a different playstyle with the same moves based upon properties alongside some characters getting big overhauls for a lot more of the roster to be balanced? I love it! Keeping Melee cuts, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur out, we have a realistic chance of 4 newcomers. Everyone but Shulk on this roster will probably make me catch some flak, especially without some popular villains, but this is what I would like to see with realism. I don't think Marshal, Bandanna Dee, or Sceptile are too outlandish for choices in terms of characters, and as fighters they have their options to be unique. Wanna swap Sceptile for King K. Rool or Mewtwo? Feel free. I can't envision Ridley or Ghirahim as fighters here, however, and that's personal things and by no means am I Sakurai or anyone else making this game. (Technically, for a more "realistic" layout, I'd reposition Mii Fighters to the bottom left so they could turn into another Random slot online, sliding the rest of the row over one, and swap Ganondorf and Tink)
If we ended up with 5x11, with random, giving us another 3 slots. I'd feel better on characters like Isaac, King K. Rool, and maybe Bowser Jr. for another 3 newcomers but that is a bit of a stretch, considering the time we have remaining and the unknowns.
The most realistic roster you've seen has Sceptile and Bandana Dee while DK gets two spots?
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I'd swap Sceptile for Mewtwo.
My somewhat-pessimistic mindset is that 51 total character slots, 53 characters is going to be our total for Sm4sh( 4x13+Random). Moving up from the 39 total characters in Brawl (counting the 3 in Pokemon Trainer as separate, the same for Mii Fighters), this is the amount Melee got added with ONE clone that can still have a different playstyle with the same moves based upon properties alongside some characters getting big overhauls for a lot more of the roster to be balanced? I love it! Keeping Melee cuts, Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur out, we have a realistic chance of 4 newcomers. Everyone but Shulk on this roster will probably make me catch some flak, especially without some popular villains, but this is what I would like to see with realism. I don't think Marshal, Bandanna Dee, or Sceptile are too outlandish for choices in terms of characters, and as fighters they have their options to be unique. Wanna swap Sceptile for King K. Rool or Mewtwo? Feel free. I can't envision Ridley or Ghirahim as fighters here, however, and that's personal things and by no means am I Sakurai or anyone else making this game. (Technically, for a more "realistic" layout, I'd reposition Mii Fighters to the bottom left so they could turn into another Random slot online, sliding the rest of the row over one, and swap Ganondorf and Tink)
If we ended up with 5x11, with random, giving us another 3 slots. I'd feel better on characters like Isaac, King K. Rool, and maybe Bowser Jr. for another 3 newcomers but that is a bit of a stretch, considering the time we have remaining and the unknowns.
PS: Blue = Vet Starter, Green = Newcomer Starter, Red = Vet Unlockable, Yellow = Newcomer Unlockable
What N3ON said:
And don't forget the fact that Sceptile is in OVER Mewtwo.
I know this roster has problems, and as I have stated in and out of this site, it is mostly in Sceptile. Solely looking at the Pokemon line up (especially since, as GameFreak has a "new game" and "remakes" team, OR/AS has likely been in the works for about as long as X/Y but with only a few new designs in the form of Mega Evolutions). But he is, even in my opinion, the weakest of my 4 newcomers on the roster. (Guys, I just don't personally like Mewtwo as a fighter because of how utterly disappointed I was in him when it came to Melee. You can like him if you want, but I don't.)
I think he means in terms of roster size, which I agree. My more optimistic roster only has 57 characters on it, while I believe we will probably be getting about 50-52 characters.
I like Sceptile over Mewtwo just for the sake of the starter triad being complete, and I'm real indifferent to Mewtwo personally. Also Kranky would be dope
Helluva lot more realistic than people who actually think Ridley will be playable.
I swear, if they hadn't included classic Zelda music in the games, I would swear Sakurai had never played a Zelda game before Ocarina of Time.Honestly, Ganon 'deserves' to be in more than Ganondorf, and if he hadn't been shoehorned into melee as a clone, I wonder if it would have garnered serious considersation over dorf in brawl.
Though Twilight Princess was real recent and they were real into it in brawl so probably not
So Ridley I get as a questionable choice (since Sakurai set up the Direct to make it look like Ridley is a boss), but why are K. Rool's chances so slim?
I don't think he meant in terms of roster size, 51 character rosters aren't exactly super uncommon...
Putting unrealistic characters on the roster doesn't make it realistic because other were omitted.
People really overstate Bandanna Dee's chances, I have no problem with him and Kirby would be about as Likely to get a 4th as Zelda is to get a 6th, but Donkey Kong should really take precedence over both of them.
Replace Dark Pit with Isaac then its perfekt!
I was sick of Sceptile the first time he was mentioned as a Smash candidate. The roster was decided 2 years ago too late and all of a sudden when a Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire remake is confirmed, they start throwing the guy in rosters as if Smash Wii U and 3DS was just announced.
I just don't see any reason TO believe in him. Kremlings being in Smash Run holds some amount of value, but short of that I'm uncertain as to where the massive support really comes from.
I'm afraid I don't understand your point about omission. While your statement is true, if he includes characters I think are more likely than characters on other rosters, and my statement was entirely about a comparison between his roster versus other rosters I've seen, then I don't think it's unreasonable to say "I think this roster is more likely because I think other rosters are less likely than this."
To be fair, Sceptile was mentioned quite often even before the remake was confirmed. He's been mentioned a lot more now that the remake has been confirmed.
Then do the research instead of immediately jumping all over a character because YOU think the character is unlikely. Watch the old K. Rool boss battles, look up how prominent K. Rool is throughout the entire DK franchise. And even then, there's still Dixie Kong, and DK's massive popularity compared to the Kirby franchise. DKC Returns ought to say something about the notion of DK being extremely likely to get another newcomer.
The reason I don't think Dark Pit will happen is because he literally lines up with Sakurai's thoughts on clones/alts. As in, he's basically alternate costume material.
First of all, you might want to read the entirety of my posts before jumping to conclusions-- I just finished stating that I can see an argument for Dixie Kong.
If you mean the Ghirahim being a semi-clone of Sheik thing, I hadn't really thought much of it until now. But I can see what you mean, throwing diamonds instead of needles, he has similar proportions, and works off the same idea of agility over strict power. It is indeed a good idea.
Perhaps his importance and prominence within the series?
Well like you said, you're looking past a few additions you might not find the most likely because characters you find even less likely are omitted, but including those relatively unlikely characters in the first place should probably prompt questioning over whether the roster is really all that realistic, because there are rosters on here which omit Ridley, K. Rool, Bandana Dee, and Sceptile.
Overstated? The DK series is bigger and more popular than any Nintendo series in Smash bar the big 3 (and the Miis).
I guess I just think you're giving too much credence to the removal of Ridley and K. Rool, because there are still several parts on that roster which make claiming it's among the most realistic very questionable. Perhaps that's because you're giving an inordinate amount of credence to the chances of Sceptile, Bandana Dee, only two DK characters... all of which seem definitely not outside the realm of possibility, but not particularly likely.
Yeah, and he could carry a sword to accommodate for any moves it wouldn't make sense for him to perform.
Pretty
Bypeer pressurepopular demand, it is now 4x13.
Just my roster again.
