Character Discussion Thread

[N3ON]

I think Lucina will be very Roy-like.
Basically taking the attributes that made Roy unique to differentiate from Marth.

But that leads me to this thought: Why not bring back Roy?

If anything it seems they'd probably take her in the opposite direction, quicker and less powerful.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Who blends that with magic. That's more of a semi-staff wielder. Did you know we have 7+ swordsman? If we can get a group of that proportion, then I see know harm in a second staff wielder, especially one who could use it more in the moveset.

A unique weapon doesn't necessarily mean a unique moveset. Most of the sword users are hugely different, a staff user would need to be more to bring something fresh to the roster. Not that I'm against it, but the character's weapon isn't the main factor.

How many characters use their fists?

 

[ElPanandero]

@ Phaazoid

I don't get if the panda comment was sarcasm or not..

EDIT: Also why is everyone mad about clone lucina but mad they didn't get clone roy back?

 

[Andinus]

Solid argument, brah.

Rhythm Heaven warrants a rep in my book. It's got a few games, it's recent, it can provide a really unique character.

UMM YES

It's just a matter of opinion, there are plenty of other worthy characters, and I think the chorus kids sound stupid..so yeah, umm no..

 

[Louie G.]

If anything it seems they'd probably take her in the opposite direction, quicker and less powerful.

That's true; personally I don't play Roy so I'm not sure what makes him any different than Marth, who I also do not play.

I figured that maybe Lucina would draw influence from Roy, but I like your idea better.

 

[Shroob]

I really hope Sakurai gives us something Lucina related tonight considering he left us completely in the dark about her for the most part.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, then that means Lucina may have just broken the record for how similar to another character a clone can be.

I still think it's possible she's a really elaborate alternate costume.

Now that I think about it, I see Lucina as a "Mizuki".


Explanation: In Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 for the Gamecube, there was a character, Mizuki, who could be selected like an alternate appearance for the character Iruka (like starting a match without a mask as Haku or playing a match as long-haired Sakura).
He had the same exact moveset aside from three gameplay differences (his midair projectile was a shuriken instead of two kunai, his upwards projectile was two shuriken instead of four kunai, and his upwards melee attack dealt knockback instead of stagger), but he had different voice clips and even a different intro and victory animation.

Technically a separate character, but at the same time, an alt.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well Gematsu is debunked, over, and out for me.

The thing is... I disliked it for 2 reasons. Reason#1 was that the roster stopped there.
And reason#2 was Chrom, because I'm sick of blue haired swordsmen not named Takamaru.

... Now what I got is an extremely ironic twist... We got TWO Fire Emblem reps, one 100% original, and one 15% original.
I think I was too excited about the Gematsu debunk to noticed how today's reveal epicly backfired on me. XD

Anyway... what can I say... At least Lucina is a blue haired swordsWOman. And I still like Robin's inclusion.
But one more F.E. character, and I'd have gone on a rampage.

 

[Starbound]

I think Lucina will be very Roy-like.
Basically taking the attributes that made Roy unique to differentiate from Marth.

But that leads me to this thought: Why not bring back Roy?

Because close to all of the newcomers we've seen have some sort of promotional purpose.

If you guys watch Black Nerd Comedy, he brought up that they seem to be choosing characters based on what will get people to buy games, at least as far as the Nintendo newcomers go. Little Mac is the only exception to this trend. Animal Crossing New Leaf, Wii Fit Plus, Super Mario 3D World, Pokemon X/Y, Kid Icarus Uprising, Fire Emblem Awakening and all of the Mii games are all games that people still buy.

Gonna go throw Dixie Kong, Shulk (DK Tropical Freeze and Xenoblade X), Rhythm Heaven Character (Sneaky Spirit) and maybe Ridley (teasing and Other M). Maybe a Zelda character as well.

 

[Andinus]

What franchises?

Xenoblade? Golden Sun?

That's pretty much it. Rhythm Heaven is very popular, especially in Japan.

I'm not really referring to new franchises

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

It's just a matter of opinion, there are plenty of other worthy characters, and I think the chorus kids sound stupid..so yeah, umm no..

It's difficult for me to form an opinion of something I haven't seen in action yet.

Gameplay > fandom

#ummyes

 

[shinhed-echi]

Because close to all of the newcomers we've seen have some sort of promotional purpose.

If you guys watch Black Nerd Comedy, he brought up that they seem to be choosing characters based on what will get people to buy games, at least as far as the Nintendo newcomers go. Little Mac is the only exception to this trend. Animal Crossing New Leaf, Wii Fit Plus, Super Mario 3D World, Pokemon X/Y, Kid Icarus Uprising, Fire Emblem Awakening and all of the Mii games are all games that people still buy.

Gonna go throw Dixie Kong, Shulk (DK Tropical Freeze and Xenoblade X), Rhythm Heaven Character (Sneaky Spirit) and maybe Ridley (teasing and Other M). Maybe a Zelda character as well.

This is what I hated the most about PSASBR. It was one big glorified ADgame.

I put my faith in Sakurai so that SSB4 does NOT turn into this as well.
But he did say he was looking for new franchises, after noticing that his only "new" franchise in Brawl was Pikmin+Olimar.

 

[Spinosaurus]

There are numerous examples (like the Pokebeach and SFxT examples posted here) of leaks being partly wrong but still mostly correct. A lot are too quick to throw words like "debunked" or "killed". I'm genuinely surprised that some of you think everything we got was just a lucky guess.

All it means is one thing; even leaks can make mistakes, so they might not be 100% for number of reasons. It's best not to take them as gospel unless the leak was something like Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.

 

[Zynux]

For the character announcement on Monday: I have no rationale behind it, but I have a feeling it isn't a Gematsu character, but may possibly be another outlier. Otherwise, Shulk is a logical possibility.

Wooo! I was right... I guess...? Since this isn't just an outlier, but this blows a shotgun blast right through Gematsu's heart!

If anything, what would damage/kill the leak is the lack of the remaining 3 newcomers that he did assert would appear in the game: Shulk, Chrom, and Chorus Men. Having these three missing would spread doubt on the information that Sal Romano obtained; not the inclusion of a newcomer nobody, even Sal, didn't predict.

Because, what of the possibility that Shulk does not appear tomorrow? Would not then most of us rationalize that Sal's recent leak was wrong? That his informant misinformed him? Or worse, that Sal was lying? Would it then not hurt his credibility? Then why would the opposite not also apply? If Shulk does appear, does it not help his credibility and make him even more likely that he may have had legitimate info? It's not a one way street. If his post can't help bring evidence that his information may be valid, then why would it also be able to damage it? That one recent post of his alone doesn't 100% validate him, but it does make it slightly more likely that he may have had info.

With that said, I will laugh hard if Shulk doesn't show up. The reactions would be glorious.

Annnnnd that possibility actually happened, and I'm both giddy as all hell (grabbing that popcorn, I need to read this thread responses after I'm done this post) and somewhat salty (which I will get into later).

Sal Romano, as someone who thought your leak was likely, you ****ed up hard. Doesn't matter if you had legit info, you are no longer trustworthy. Missing Shulk reveal and Chrom is a pretty damning. I guess this is a lesson for leakers to keep their mouths shut and never give specific dates.

And Thank God that Robin is in here. Robin may have been overrated, but I always felt he/she was the ideal choice since he not only had the most potential but also the character that could finally showcase besides Fire Emblem sword users. So glad he has magic! Sakurai, you did good here, and I must give credit. He may actually be "unique!"

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Now, time for me to equip my Gravity Suit. Time to be the debbie downer. Come at me with the flames.

After months and months of people shouting "but every character is going to be unique! You'll learn to love them!!!", I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I must give credit where credit is due: Megaman, Rosalina (even though I disagree with her inclusion), and Little Mac seem to offer more variety in playstyles of Smash bros.

But then there's Wii Fit Trainer, Miis, and Palutena, whom all make me hella salty. "But they'll be unique!" they said. Yet all I see is either derivative movesets slapped on a character without rhyme or reason, or a bland playstyle who's only existence is just to squeeze in some "lol Yoga jokes" (man, I remember the days when I used to defend WFT. Those were simpler times).

And now Lucina. Goddammit Lucina. If you were going to go through all that trouble just make a clone of Marth, you might of well have just brought Roy back. It's bad when I first saw her I was like "wow, maybe Chrom supporters were right: he may have had more to work with as a fighter." Yeah, didn't think the day would come when I would be salty that Chrom got shafted (potentially) for Lucina. Thank God for Robin and Falcon to disperse my anger (In We Trust). Remember when Sakurai said that he was looking at characters whom would bring something new to the table? Yeah, I remember as well.

Sorry, but I really hope Lucina has more to her besides "Muh Femalez". Otherwise, she seems to be a waste. Project M Roy looks to be more unique then her (My salt is so real right now)

Now, time to read the forums. This should be good.

 

[Phaazoid]

@ Phaazoid

I don't get if the panda comment was sarcasm or not..

EDIT: Also why is everyone mad about clone lucina but mad they didn't get clone roy back?

Sorry, I usually make sarcastic responses and forget they don't translate well online. A more serious response would be if we look at a trend in the roster, transformations are all getting separate slots now. This would lead me to believe clones will as well. Truth be told we honestly have no way of knowing either way until we see the roster. I just kinda doubt it.

I totally agree with your latter comment though, the hypocrisy is amusing.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Wii Fit Trainer doesn't have a gimmick, but that doesn't mean she's not unique. The word you guys might want to use is "bland". (Though I disagree, I think having a character attack with exercising is pleasant and charming.)

For all we know she might have a playstyle no other character has in the game, and that does seem to be the case from what we saw. Of course I could be wrong. Let's say we put Wolverine from MvC3 or Ryu from Street Fighter 4 here, because despite being the bland main characters in their respective games, they'd still be unique in Smash because no one plays like them.

 

[Andinus]

It's difficult for me to form an opinion of something I haven't seen in action yet.

Gameplay > fandom

#ummyes

Well then, what if the chorus kids were to end up sucking in your opinion? I think they sound stupid, you obviously like the idea, we wouldn't know for sure until we saw the gameplay anyway, but just thinking about character possibilities, and what is still probably going to be a 50 character or less roster IMO, I have some characters I imagine being better, more exciting choices, that's all. #ummno

 

[MYU2]

There are numerous examples (like the Pokebeach and SFxT examples posted here) of leaks being partly wrong but still mostly correct. A lot are too quick to throw words like "debunked" or "killed". I'm genuinely surprised that some of you think everything we got was just a lucky guess.

All it means is one thing; even leaks can make mistakes, so they might not be 100% for number of reasons. It's best not to take them as gospel unless the leak was something like Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.

How can this leak make mistakes if Sal had inside info?

 

[The Black mage]

Welp, I watched the stream, and saw a lot more reps for Fire Emblem.
But none of that really matters to me, cause CAPTAIN FALCON IS COMING BACK FOR A 4TH TIME IN SUPER SMASH BROS!

But honestly, I think they did real well with Robin's Move set. I've always wanted another user of Magic in SSB, and his ( Or her? ) introduction really fits the bill.

I am pretty indifferent about Lucina being added to the Roster, I guess. A lot of her moves are somewhat similar to Marth's. ( Which makes a lot of sense, honestly, due to her heritage. )

And Captain falcon is still awesome.

 

[Shroob]

How can this leak make mistakes if Sal had inside info?

How can the Pokebeach leak make mistakes if Pokebeach had inside info?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Lucina. Thank God for Robin and Falcon to disperse my anger (In We Trust). Remember when Sakurai said that he was looking at characters whom would bring something new to the table? Yeah, I remember as well.

Sorry, but I really hope Lucina has more to her besides "Muh Femalez". Otherwise, she seems to be a waste. Project M Roy looks to be more unique then her (My salt is so real right now)

Now, time to read the forums. This should be good.

This is probably not the post you were looking for, but I agree with you.
There is nothing Lucina brings to the table that it hasn't been covered by someone else from the F.E. cast.
Gameplay: Marth
Female: Robin alt.costume
Awakening rep: Robin

I too remember when Sakurai said he was focusing on unique MOVESETS. That, and new franchises.
Well Fire Emblem is neither new, and Lucina is certainly not unique. So my biggest question marks from the roster focus on her.


That said, my consolation is that she probably didn't take long to make anyway.
And in the end... I'm just sick of how overrated Fire Emblem is. I'm sorry to the fans, the franchise is pretty cool, I've played it and loved it... But this is getting a tad ridiculous now. There are other franchises out there... Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Sin & Punishment (AT for a 2nd time, mind you), who deserve at least ONE character.


but this guy's back, and looking better than ever. This made me happy. Especially the way he kicked all around the place. (Although a bit too villain-like if you ask me)

 

[Curious Villager]

I suppose I am the only one who isn't all that surprised that semi-clones are a thing once more and that we would probably get a few more of them again.....

Ah well. As a Lyn and Anna supporter, I'm indifferent to Robin and Lucina but they always had the higher chance anyway I guess. And it's neat to see them around. Wasn't too big of a fan of how they handled Chrom's disconfirmation though, even as someone who didn't support him much.

And seeing everyone's favourite Captain Falcon is always a treat. Hopefully we get to see Ness and Jigglypuff soon as well...

 

[Spinosaurus]

How can this leak make mistakes if Sal had inside info?

All leakers had inside infos. The thing is; they're normally outdated. The Greninja comment Sakurai made makes it a strong possibility.
The X/Y and SFxT leakers had inside info. They made mistakes as well, bigger ones than Sal, but we got most of the leak from those games.

@Hong said it. Development changes. I'd say Chrom was almost definitely going to be in, but Sakurai figured that Robin would have been a much better choice later on.

What does this mean? Shulk and Chorus Kids are still probably in, and possibly more. (I wouldn't really hold my breath to be honest, but who knows?) Although Chorus Kids could get the Chrom treatment and we might get another Rhythm Heaven character, or none at all. Same for Shulk. Leaks don't have to be strictly 100% right or wrong.

All we can go by is that they were definitely planned to be in and at least worked on.

 

[ElPanandero]

Sorry, I usually make sarcastic responses and forget they don't translate well online. A more serious response would be if we look at a trend in the roster, transformations are all getting separate slots now. This would lead me to believe clones will as well. Truth be told we honestly have no way of knowing either way until we see the roster. I just kinda doubt it.

I totally agree with your latter comment though, the hypocrisy is amusing.

I figured that's what you meant. I know it's a longshot, its more hope than anything for me at this point, but I just can't shake that taunt from the video, it rubs me the wrong way since that's all that was changed for clones in melee >.>

 

[Phaazoid]

I figured that's what you meant. I know it's a longshot, its more hope than anything for me at this point, but I just can't shake that taunt from the video, it rubs me the wrong way since that's all that was changed for clones in melee >.>

Honestly, I'm pretty happy either way. The more characters shown off pre launch the better, imo. We may have gotten a secret character or two shown already, sure, but with this many starters, I have no doubt the full roster is at least 50 anymore. Or at least I certainly hope so.

And if she does share a slot than more room for Ridley. He's big, he needs the space xD

 

[Spinosaurus]

Also, from what we know of Marth so far, it seems like HE'S the Roy of this game, whereas Lucina is more like how he was in Brawl/Melee.

In the video, her NAir seemed like it had little landing lag, but Marth's had TON iirc.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So... every Newcomer belongs to a "big" franchise so far.

Villager = AC
WFT = Wii Fit
Little Mac = Punch Out! (perhaps not big, but very hystorical)
Rosalina = Mario
Greninja = Pokemon
Palutena = Kid Icarus (either "Big" currently, or Sakurai bias)
Lucina+Robin = F.E.

Not even counting the juggernauts Megaman and Pacman franchises.

... Is there a possibility we might get some smaller franchise newcomers at this point?
I know Shulk is the next bigger likeliest character. But do they all have to be attatched to the word "successful/profitable"?


EDIT: Forgot Miis. I always forget them.

 

[Spinosaurus]

... Is there a possibility we might get some smaller franchise newcomers at this point?
I know Shulk is the next bigger likeliest character. But do they all have to be attatched to the word "successful/profitable"?

Shulk is pretty much that smaller franchise character.
If he's in, his series would be the only one with a character that didn't sell over a million. Even Chorus Kids' game (not just series) sold over a million.

Though it's relatively successful considering it's niche status. At least in the West.

 

[PlTe]

I could see Marshall now, give him moves that relate to the mini games.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Also, from what we know of Marth so far, it seems like HE'S the Roy of this game, whereas Lucina is more like how he was in Brawl/Melee.

In the video, her NAir seemed like it had little landing lag, but Marth's had TON iirc.

Gonzales described Marth with a poor aerial game and with strongs terrestrial attacks. Now it makes sense to me.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Gonzales described Marth with a poor aerial game and with strongs terrestrial attacks. Now it makes sense to me.

Yeah, and his tippers are supposedly easier to land as well. There's also him seemingly getting Roy's counter.

From what we're hearing, he seems like a better Roy lol.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Welp, I watched the stream, and saw a lot more reps for Fire Emblem.
But none of that really matters to me, cause CAPTAIN FALCON IS COMING BACK FOR A 4TH TIME IN SUPER SMASH BROS!

But honestly, I think they did real well with Robin's Move set. I've always wanted another user of Magic in SSB, and his ( Or her? ) introduction really fits the bill.

I am pretty indifferent about Lucina being added to the Roster, I guess. A lot of her moves are somewhat similar to Marth's. ( Which makes a lot of sense, honestly, due to her heritage. )

And Captain falcon is still awesome.

lol there was doubt?

that said though, i dont like what i see. i cant be alone thinking there's only two sf characters(fox + falco) now. wolf ain't necessary anymore, and krystal just doesn't have what it takes.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Shulk is pretty much that smaller franchise character.
If he's in, his series would be the only one with a character that didn't sell over a million. Even Chorus Kids' game (not just series) sold over a million.

Though it's relatively successful considering it's niche status. At least in the West.

I think that ought to qualify as profitable, since they're making the pseudo-sequel. But yeah, it's a small franchise, I guess that counts.

My next big hype will probably be the retro newcomer. (And no, Little Mac is not the retro newcomer, given how he's been here and there in every Nintendo generation except N64)

 

[The Black mage]

You also just gotta love what Chrom says when the Video ends. It's like he KNOWS the people of this thread thinks he is, well, "Bland", so to speak. (But he is somewhat playable, I think)

 

[Starbound]

I know Shulk is the next bigger likeliest character. But do they all have to be attatched to the word "successful/profitable"?

Considering that the game sold out in North America, I'd say it more than met their expectations for its success.

If we're using success as a benchmark, we'll be looking at DK, Zelda and maybe Metroid in terms of existing IPs in addition to Xenoblade.

 

[Deleted member]

I love how Nintendo knows how overpowered teaming up is, because it's too game breaking to be a normal attack. It's a final smash

 

[Gunla]

Lucina is effectively Brawl and Melee Marth 2.0. Heck, she appears like she plays more faithfully to Melee Marth and Roy and whatnot than Smash 4's Marth, who plays like a Roy of Brawl's Marth. To make it simple...
=
= Altered Version of , with elements from

You also just gotta love what Chrom says when the Video ends. It's like he KNOWS the people of this thread thinks he is, well, "Bland", so to speak. (But he is somewhat playable, I think)

Yeah, the end of the trailer was Waluigi-esque.

The beginning is aimed moreso at Japanese FE fans who prefered Lucina, as he knew there was backlash when Japanese fans figured out about the Gematsu leak having Chrom and not Lucina. Fortunately for them and those who preferred other characters, Chrom seems to have been scrapped mid-development, hence his finished model imo, and Robin and Lucina got the spot.

 

[Deleted member]

The beginning is aimed moreso at Japanese FE fans who prefered Lucina, as he knew there was backlash when Japanese fans figured out about the Gematsu leak having Chrom and not Lucina. Fortunately for them and those who preferred other characters, Chrom seems to have been scrapped mid-development, hence his finished model imo, and Robin and Lucina got the spot.

If this is the case, then I would feel even more bad for Chrom

 

[FlareHabanero]

I really wish we can get official word that Chrom was planned at the beginning but was demoted during the middle of development, because that might clarify some of this confusion.

 

[Twin Shot]

My 50 character roster.

Was really hard and, knowing me, I probably forgot some characters.

Marshal is in as a Heaven Rep. Next to Wario bc Random.
If I had to put Shulk in, I would swap out Lucas =( and put him on the Pokemon/FE Row.
Pit and Pat would go before Ness and Falcon after.
Shulk was omitted because there is really no evidence to him aside from the leak.
Shulk could also take Snake's place instead of Lucas' but I am biased.

Last row is "Retro" "Third Parties"