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Celebrity Rehab Mafia: Day 5 Begins! Deadline is Monday, May 28th at 11:59 PM EST!

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Also @ OS the play isn't Idiocy because as town if I'm telling the truth logistically the play now needs to be 100 percent on Macman because it forces the numbers

It means if town has any sort of brains they HAVE TO LYNCH MACMAN TO WIN THE GAME

meaning the read I'm 100 percent confident on needs to be lynched.

You're literally going to lose us the game, and people are letting you do it because they are bad.
 

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If you guys let OS push you guys to a terrible decision and lose town this game I'm going to be so upset.

It literally doesn't make sense number wise to lynch me because I'm telling the truth, and if I am and you guys listen you now allow a 4 person swing.

GG

You guys hella dumb
Also @ OS the play isn't Idiocy because as town if I'm telling the truth logistically the play now needs to be 100 percent on Macman because it forces the numbers

It means if town has any sort of brains they HAVE TO LYNCH MACMAN TO WIN THE GAME

meaning the read I'm 100 percent confident on needs to be lynched.

You're literally going to lose us the game, and people are letting you do it because they are bad.
You serious mang?

You talk like DELIBERATELY put town into a bad position in order to force town to lynch someone. In actuality, you deliberately put town into a position where we'd lose 3 people without being able to lynch because if Macman was scum he'd have shot me and then two would have died during the Night phase.

"It doesn't make sense because I'm telling the truth"? Really, KevinM? Really?

You've had multiple opportunities to explain yourself and you still haven't given any sane or satisfactory answer. You can't, because your actions don't line up with town intent.

We're lynching you.
 

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Wait, why would I be "losing us this game"? I thought you thought I was scum, which was the entire reason you gave the gun to Macman? Do you just change your reads to help your AtE on the fly or what is it?
 

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KevinM said:
Around Day 2 J, I didn't let Macman know about it because then he plays differently even subtly and he's very good at getting out of being pressured.

Didn't feel like playing that game so I felt I would have to just nail him myself.
You want to support this somehow with your play? You've not pressured Macman at all. Are you saying on D2 you had a suspicion Macman was scum, yet said nothing about it and then gave him a gun? WTF? Why did you think he was scum?

And you didn't talk to town because... why? Because he's very good at getting out of being pressured? Welcome to mafia, me and frozenflame are in the pressure chamber training.

Macman btw I'm giving you this gun for the sole purpose of shooting OS

So shoot him when it's cleared and everyone has claimed.
This is how you started the day, right?

Oh wait, no. It isn't.

You started off like this:

KevinM said:
Why aren't we killing OS >_>

should just lynch him
So let's look through this logically.

You think Macman is scum. You give him a gun. You do NOT start off by claiming; macman doesn't know where the gun came from, right?

So you just start off by trying to give him an out. If Macman could shoot and win somehow, he'd shoot, right? So, he'd have shot immediately if he could win. He didn't shoot. He claimed not to have the gun. So why are you worried about rushing the day? We can wait until the last 60 seconds and macman still wouldn't shoot if he didn't shoot immediately.

Well, maybe Macman was cautious. Too cautious. People make mistakes. Ditto to KevinM. Maybe he didn't think it through because he's an idiot. Who knows.

So KevinM gives a gun to Macman and doesn't say anything about it until he ends up claiming later in the Day. Stupid, but whatever.

What does KevinM do after he claims?

KevinM said:
Macman btw I'm giving you this gun for the sole...

Macman btw I'm giving you this gun for the sole purpose of shooting OS

So shoot him when it's cleared and everyone has claimed.
So... what? Why is this a good turn of events? Macman shooting me, then two night kills, then lynching macman, then one night kill. That's 5/8, leaving us in a 3 man lylo. That was your plan. You in no way shape or form anticipated Macman claiming "I don't have the gun". There's no logical way for you to anticipate that.

What about yesterday?

KevinM said:
I think Rockin is scum for what its worth..

like 80 percent sure of it.
KevinM said:
Jditz stop being scummy and jump on rockin instead of stalling a wagon for your scum buddy
KevinM said:
I don't like PL in the PL vs Vandy

also

Macman you scum bro or are you riding this to end game with me?
KevinM said:
We have a mislynch at the very least

I want

Kantrip
Orbo
PL gone

In that order but I'm ok with starting at Orbo
Come ON KevinM.

Come on.





But you know what? I'll give you an out.

Macman wasn't your first choice to receive the gun, was he? Who was? Answer honestly.
 

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i've been procrastinating the reread but imma have a post by later today.

also wtf kevin

I explicitly asked Gorf if I received a kill ability of any kind and he said no. I had assumed that most likely you were roleblocked as there seems to be no reason for you to make up your role and act like you gave me a shot.

but your recent posts are absolutely nonsense, which is surprising coming from you. if you were 100% I was scum, ytf would you give me a free shot? wtf. Your reasoning is that you wanted to direct attention to me... uh why not just say you thought I was scum? also giving me a shot wouldn't direct attention to me at all especially in the way you claimed that you gave me a shot. All it would have been was a mechanism for town to get another shot. (that excluded me since I wouldn't shoot myself. why would you want to exclude the possibility of me getting shot if you were 100% sure I was scum? **** doesn't make sense...) Also if I opted to straight up shoot OS (which i probably would have), it still wouldn't have drawn any suspicion to me because you TOLD me to shoot him. Also I (and FF) have wanted him dead all game, it would have been completely inline with my reads. **** wouldn't have brought anymore attention to me or made me look scummy at all. your plan makes no sense, theres no reason why you wouldn't give the shot to someone more townie like Rajam.

Now I completely agree with FF, all other things being equal and there existing a hard conflict between me and kevin (which I initially didn't think there was until kevin posted, and would have advocated not going for either of us), it makes more sense to lycnh me, because if I'm lying than I would have a hidden shot. But all things aren't equal. Context matters. Kevin's **** makes no sense if he was town. Theres no way he thought I was 100% scum and decided that the best way to get me lynched was to give me a free shot.

actually hold on, gotta quote some of this bull****
 

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Rockin, list all of your results.

You're reading, I know it.

I want all your results and the thoughts on toDay.

Also, do you realize the only reason we're in this mess is because you didn't do as you were told, Rockin? I really, really want you dead.
 

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Macman now has two options in this case.. shoot and fall under intense scrutiny.. leaves a scum 1 for 1 because anyone with half a brain realizes he shouldn't shoot in such a situation.. I only provoked him to shoot OS because it would save me the trouble of reading the no information slot in this game.

His other option to lie about the shot is a terrible answer to the predicament and the one I hoped he would take without fully thinking it through. He forces town's hand with it.
wtf, why wouldn't you shoot in this scenario? assuming pnly one kill occurs each night, it makes complete sense to use the shot since we currently have an even number of players which stays even until lylo and is innefficient for town. but if we have an extra town directed shot, it makes it odd and gives us an efficient lylo. so enlighten us kevin, why shouldn't we shoot in the scenario?

also what about the third and most likely option? tell town I have a gun and they decide what I do with it...


also completely bewildered at OS defending me, especially given how gungho he was on lynching ppl like rockin who had strong evidence showing him town. I initially thought OS was trying to push quicklynches on ppl that weren't him, but he had the chance to hammer me on the easiest lynch ever but he chose not to.

idk how I feel about that. it doesn't really make sense as OSscum

anyways ill be back later tonight

i've yet to read all the new posts
 

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Initially my choice was Rajam but I was worried he would go ahead and shoot me because he had voiced suspicion of me.

Also my PM specifically said when I had given the gun away it failed N2

and said

You give the gun to Macman n4
 

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I already said I gave the gun to you because I was sure of my read on you and no one else wanted to kill OS, I figured I could give the gun to you have OS flip town or scum.. get the actual read on Rajam's cop ability when he flips and then still be able to push a lynch on you which I would have been able to confidently do.

It's fairly simple stuff.
 

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And OS you can't tell me I wouldn't think of Macman just saying I don't have a gun

because it gives him the highest statisical chance of winning the game.

if town belives him he gets a Nkill plus has a gun plus forces the mislynch today... it's one of his best options if town doesn't play the numbers.
 

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Initially my choice was Rajam but I was worried he would go ahead and shoot me because he had voiced suspicion of me.

Also my PM specifically said when I had given the gun away it failed N2

and said

You give the gun to Macman n4
You're right, Rajam is totally the kind of player who would shoot from the hip with no regard to the effect that'd have on town. Its definitely a better choice to give that gun to someone you think is scum.


You fail the test. You're an idiot or scum. Feel good about being lynched, it means I still think you have a few brain cells left rattling around in there.
 

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Rajam would definitely shoot over going against a lynch he doesn't believe in.

You're thickheaded and feel good about the fact that I couldn't give myself a gun otherwise you would have been dead D3.
 

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And OS you can't tell me I wouldn't think of Macman just saying I don't have a gun

because it gives him the highest statisical chance of winning the game.

if town belives him he gets a Nkill plus has a gun plus forces the mislynch today... it's one of his best options if town doesn't play the numbers.
You know what's better than that?

Giving the gun to literally anybody else.

Who put us in this position, KevinM?



Worst town play ever if you somehow, miraculously, don't flip scum.
 

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Rajam would definitely shoot over going against a lynch he doesn't believe in.

You're thickheaded and feel good about the fact that I couldn't give myself a gun otherwise you would have been dead D3.
Is there anyone in this game you DON'T think is scum?

Seriously, who do you think is town.
 

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I PUT US IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE TOWN IS BUSILY LISTENING TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVEN'T DONE JACK **** BUT TRY AND SURVIVE FOR 4 sTRAIGHT DAYS

Are you serious?? You literally haven't done one pro-town thing in this game you've played self-preserving you've advocated lynching you because you don't care you've given your vote away for the first 4 days and now when the numbers logistically make sense to lynch Macman you try and **** it up by lynching me and giving scum a free win... are you mental?

Frozenflame I have an ok read on btw

J is either town or hard buddy scum, I'm inclined to lean town just because I've agreed with a lot of his early assessments.

Rajam is in the clear until we get some flips and see where his alignment is another reason the Macman lynch would be good because you'd finally see if he's telling the truth or naive.

I think in order of scum from the other list it goes

Macman
Yourself
Jditz
Rockin

Pretty simple game if you would just play it but as a scummer I guess you're doing a great job.
 

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Rockin, WTF is your post. You were here.

Couple more questions KevinM.

Who would J's scumbuddy/ies be if he was "hard buddy scum"?

If you think Rajam is town, why is it that a grand total of 3/4 fo your "might be scum" are people he has inno's on? Do you have any reason to believe he's naive?
 

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Answer those questions and then I'll prove you are scum, KevinM. One more shoe to drop.
 

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Initially my choice was Rajam but I was worried he would go ahead and shoot me because he had voiced suspicion of me.

Also my PM specifically said when I had given the gun away it failed N2

and said

You give the gun to Macman n4
Wait, are you claiming the the PM specifically told you you had to give the gun to Macman N4?
 

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... No I'm saying that it was mod confirmed that the gift didn't pass.

Also you're not proving I'm scum as much as losing us the game and then going to be like "Man Kevin is an idiot god I hate him" and pass off the blame of you being literally butt**** ********.

If J flips scum he doesn't have a scum buddy.. unless you want to speculate that each mafia faction has 4 people on each side.

In which case this game would already be all but over.
 

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But then again OS I didn't expect you to pay attention to things like that since you know you haven't done anything at all this game besides be an anti-town nuisance.

It's D5 and you want to speculate J's possible scum buddies IF he flips scum in a game with two mafia factions and 4 of them already dead. Two from each side..

But it's ok keep trying to say I'm dumb.

I think Rajam is naive because I have anti-town reads on you and Macman and yet he is claiming y'all are innocent..

I trust myself a lot harder then that.
 

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Ok... for a second there I thought you were actually trying to get us to believe Gorf straight told you who you had to give guns to, which would have been totally insane lol.
 

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But then again OS I didn't expect you to pay attention to things like that since you know you haven't done anything at all this game besides be an anti-town nuisance.

It's D5 and you want to speculate J's possible scum buddies IF he flips scum in a game with two mafia factions and 4 of them already dead. Two from each side..
A DURRR.....

It's not like we have 4 flipped mafia already and you could have named either team.

Regardless, you're the one that said he was town or "hard buddy scum". I'm just askin' off you.

But it's ok keep trying to say I'm dumb.

I think Rajam is naive because I have anti-town reads on you and Macman and yet he is claiming y'all are innocent..

I trust myself a lot harder then that.
I wouldn't.

Why didn't you give the gun to FrozenFlame?

He would have shot me just the same as macman, was cleared by Rajam just like Macman, I was cleared and it would have cleared up Rajam's ability after I was shot and FF would have had no backlash.

Instead you gave it to someone you thought was scum? No thanks.
 

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Rajam is not naive.

Pink mafia:

X1-12, Mafia Informed Sane Cop
Vanderzant, Mafia Framer

Blue Mafia:

Vinyl, Mafia Godfather
Dark Horse, Mafia Goon

Rajam CCed X1-12 to get him lynched.

If Rajam was BLUE mafia, this implies that he knew X1-12 was mafia; there is no way to know this. CCing X1-12 would normally just result in X1-12 dying, flipping town cop, and then Rajam dying. Two days back to back. Bad trade, bad plan. Rajam ain't blue.

If Rajam was PINK mafia, this implies that he bussed his scummate D1 after he gets out of a lynch by claiming cop, which he actually was. That makes no freaking sense.

So, Rajam is almost certainly town. I could MAYBE see a Pink Mafia play, but given that the team was X1-12, Rajam, and Dooms/Vanderzant I don't see them planning a day one gambit.


More importantly, Vanderzant was a MAFIA FRAMER.

That means he was able to mess with Rajam's results, right? Vanderzant was able to pick a player and, if he picked right, was able to give Rajam a "guilty" result.

The very fact that a mafia framer exists means that Rajam wasn't of pink alignment, as another cop hasn't come forward and everyone has claimed. We already know it makes no sense for Rajam to CC cop as blue mafia unless he actually was a cop AND he knew there was a 2nd mafia alignment.

Given all of this setup around the cops, I see absolutely no evidence to assume Rajam is naive.

Not cleared:
2. KevinM
5. Rockin
12. Axel (J/Zen hydra) J

Cleared:
1. frozenflame751
4. Rajam
7. Macman
11. Kafkaesque th3kuzinator JDietz43
17. Overswarm

It ain't rocket science guys. KevinM, Rockin, and J have two scum between them.

There's a possible indie amongst the cleared or the remaining non-mafia above.

I originally thought it might be possible that the mafia groups could be mirrored, each having a cop/godfather. That'd be a helluva awesome game. But mafia goon and mafia framer flipped, and there won't be 4 mafia on both. There might be another separate PAIR, but I doubt Rajam could be scum given the games circumstances.
 

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Rockin, list all of your results.

You're reading, I know it.

I want all your results and the thoughts on toDay.

Also, do you realize the only reason we're in this mess is because you didn't do as you were told, Rockin? I really, really want you dead.
Yeah sorry, just trying my best to catch up with the game.

And yeah yeah, I know. Blame me and my paranoia. >_>

I don't like how KevinM is going all AtE on us. I'm trying my best to analyze the situation at hand here. Seeing what I read so far, it makes no sense for KevinM to give a gun to someone that he felt would be scum. As you pointed out, giving it to FF would be better, mainly cause him being more active, been investigated, and has a desire to lynch OS.

I'm trying my best to look at it in a different scenario, such as if KevinM was telling the truth about his role and his confidence in me investigating him (me being a flavor cop and all), why would he lie? scum having a daykill is potentially dangerous Too many possiblities. Killing OS is one thing, but what if macman could use it on someone else?

Really, the main problem falls into the mechanic of the game itself (night time shinanicans). In the end, I'm willing to lynch either or, mainly macman. OS's posts against KevinM makes sense, but nipping a potiential problem early on should probably be focused more.

I'll get back on this whenever I finish reading, as for my results...

N1 - white doctor cloth
N2 - Skimpy cloths
N3 - pink nurse cloths
N4 - Magnifying glass with some foot prints
 

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We lynch KevinM today. If he flips town, we'll lynch macman. If he doesn't, good. J can track you, Rockin. And you can look at FrozenFlame. All things would be accounted for at that point, I believe. Cept maybe Rajam, but that'd be crazy.
 

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Guys seriously, wtf.

We need to be lynching Macman. It's by far the safest play. We're in a good enough position number wise where if we play smart and safely, we will probably win this game.

The fact that this whole gun thing has got everyone running around in circles like chickens with their head cut off is ****ing ridiculous. Esp. with OS trying to go for the ballsy play when all game he's been all about trying to play the numbers and take the safest way out.

As I've already said, if Macman has the gun and is lying, leaving him around puts him in a better position to **** us up during a crucial moment in the game. Without Gorf confirming for us whether or not daykills end the day, we need to assume that it will. Thus, we should be lynching Macman now. If he decides to shoot someone instead, oh well, at least we got that OUT OF THE WAY NOW as opposed to him saving it for a more crucial moment and cheating us out of a day. If he has it and doesn't use it and he's scum then well, w/e, free bonus for us.

We lynch KevinM today. If he flips town, we'll lynch macman. If he doesn't, good. J can track you, Rockin. And you can look at FrozenFlame. All things would be accounted for at that point, I believe. Cept maybe Rajam, but that'd be crazy.
Why not flip Kevin and Macman in this plan? You obviously are aware that we are in a numbers position good enough that if we mislynch here it isn't over, and we can then go ahead and lynch the other player who is caught in the contradiction. Why in the world would we leave Macman, a potential scum who potentially has a one shot ****ing day kill that could possibly end the day instantly alive? If Macman does have that gun, we lynch kevin today, and try to go for Mac tomorrow, guess what? He shoots right away and nips that **** in the bud and we're down a whole extra night phase before we can get rid of him. If we deal with the issue NOW, and get rid of all this potential daykilling bull****, we'll have no problem lynching KevinM tomorrow if Mac comes up town. Why in the ****ing world would we leave someone who can potential steal a day phase away from us when we really, really want to do back to back lynches? That's just ********. You're putting a potential scum in the driver seat with a day kill.

People need to be voting for Macman. We can deal with KevinM over night phase if Macman flips town. We have plenty of roles to deal with him. We have a cop (though he may be naive), a role cop, and a ****ing tracker. We absolutely can check Kevin out with one of these roles. Personally, I think we should role cop him and check that against his claim, since it's a pretty unique one. Tracker shouldn't reveal who they're going after so that the scum can't do bull**** like not doing an NK to stay consistent with a vanilla claim and whatnot. Idgaf who rajam investigates as long as it's someone new obviously.

We have the means to deal with Kevin if Macman is good. I don't understand what everyone is so scared of that they are willing to let a potential scum with a ****ing daykill live as a result. It's completely insane.

Macman is the play, and we need to organize how we're going to use our remaining PRs to narrow down the remaining scum.
 

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Why in the world would we leave Macman, a potential scum who potentially has a one shot ****ing day kill that could possibly end the day instantly alive? If Macman does have that gun, we lynch kevin today, and try to go for Mac tomorrow, guess what? He shoots right away and nips that **** in the bud and we're down a whole extra night phase before we can get rid of him. If we deal with the issue NOW, and get rid of all this potential daykilling bull****, we'll have no problem lynching KevinM tomorrow if Mac comes up town. Why in the ****ing world would we leave someone who can potential steal a day phase away from us when we really, really want to do back to back lynches? That's just ********. You're putting a potential scum in the driver seat with a day kill.
No, KEVINM PUT MACMAN IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. He literally thought Macman was scum and said to himself "I'll give him a daykill in a game we should otherwise win without me using my ability".

But use your head for a second Frozen.

If KevinM is telling the truth, he ****ed up. Town may lose because of it. It wouldn't be something difficult to forsee, giving scum a daykill. KevinM should have seen that one coming. He actually defended the concept that he forsaw Macman saying "I didn't receive a gun", making KevinM's actions even more instant-scum.

If KevinM is lying, he's deliberately trying to get us to lynch Macman.

Why, oh why, would KevinM do that as scum?

You think KevinM would just let macman get lynched and then say "woopsie daisy, guess you caught me" and lose the game? He has another plan behind it.

Mathematically given all we know:

If Macman is scum

and we kill him toDay

We go from 8 to 6, new day starts. Mislynch, 6 to 4, forced to lynch FrozenFlame so we don't get endgamed by his unlynchable,4 to 3, lynch someone, down to 2.

If Macman is town

and we kill him today, KevinM is scum. If he's scum, we lose, because there's not a chance in hell he'd do this as scum without a way to win.

Na mean?


If KevinM is town and we lynch macman today, nothing bad happens.

If KevinM is scum and we lynch macman today, we should lose.
 

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Wow OS.

So you're saying that instead of believing that KevinM just ****ed up and made a really bad call, you're saying it's more likely that he's scum, made up the gun giving ability to force a mislynch on Macman (when he easily could have pushed for a mislynch of someone else without putting his neck on the line) and then has some extra super ability that is going to let him win immediately after we lynch macman if macman is town?

What type of super ability are we talking about exactly? If your entire case is based on the premise that letting scum Kevin live and mislynching Macman makes us lose, I'd really like to have some substantiation about what that power is.

I can't believe you have the gall to say all that **** when you CALLED ME PARANOID FOR SAYING WE SHOULD BE WARY OF ROLE LIKE GF AND FRAMER, BOTH OF WHICH WERE IN THIS GAME.

You on the other hand are allowed to just say "Dude KevinM MUST have some crazy instagib ability to win if with lynch Macman, why else would he have pulled a move like this?!?!??!"

That's a ****ed up double standard dude. For real.

I'm not defending Kevin's play. Giving Macman the gun wasn't a good idea. I'm with you on that. Sure, Kevin put Macman in the drivers seat so to speak, but we have the power NOW to take him out of it. Why we aren't doing that is beyond me.

Seriously, let's deal with the info we have in front of us. Barring some ******* modding where Kevin got RB'd yet Gorf still told him he successfully gave the gun away, we have a liar between Kevin and Mac. Of those two, Mac is likely to be the more dangerous if lying, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW. You [OS] are literally asking me to assume that instead of Kevin just straight up ****ing up, that he has some grand scheme of epic abilities that will make us lose tomorrow if we lynch macman today. That's insane dude.

Macman is still the play.
 

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Wow OS.

So you're saying that instead of believing that KevinM just ****ed up and made a really bad call, you're saying it's more likely that he's scum, made up the gun giving ability to force a mislynch on Macman (when he easily could have pushed for a mislynch of someone else without putting his neck on the line) and then has some extra super ability that is going to let him win immediately after we lynch macman if macman is town?
I asked KevinM what his intentions were and all the answers to every question was KevinM being very, very clear: he meant what he did.

What he did wasn't a townie move.

I'm perfectly willing to risk the game on lynching KevinM. If we lose, he ****ed up. I'm not about to look at a line of evidence that in every way is scummy and say "You know what? This situation that KevinM put us in is dangerous if we don't do what he says. I'll do what he says."

Not lynching Macman. Lynching KevinM.
 

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I'm not defending Kevin's play. Giving Macman the gun wasn't a good idea. I'm with you on that. Sure, Kevin put Macman in the drivers seat so to speak, but we have the power NOW to take him out of it. Why we aren't doing that is beyond me.
How do you know Macman has a gun? How do you know KevinM is a gunsmith?

Seriously, let's deal with the info we have in front of us. Barring some ******* modding where Kevin got RB'd yet Gorf still told him he successfully gave the gun away, we have a liar between Kevin and Mac. Of those two, Mac is likely to be the more dangerous if lying, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW. You [OS] are literally asking me to assume that instead of Kevin just straight up ****ing up, that he has some grand scheme of epic abilities that will make us lose tomorrow if we lynch macman today. That's insane dude.
What do you mean based on what we know? We don't know if a gun even exists. We have literally no evidence for this other than KevinM's word, and KevinM's own admitted actions don't line up with KevinM's entire game history.

He could have given the gun to you, a cop-cleared player who ALSO wanted me dead. He did not. He gave it to Macman, who was scum. He then comes in and says "I gave a gun to macman, who I think is scum. Macman says he doesn't have a gun so he's obviously a liar. If we don't lynch him town could lose, so we have to lynch him now".

KevinM is holding ALL THE CARDS in this game. Every last one. He's the only one that knows if there's actually a gun, he's the only one that knows if he's actually a gunsmith, he's the only one that knows if he actually got mod confirmation, and he's the only one who knows if lynching macman would reveal a townie.

KevinM literally manufactured a situation where it was possible for a SIX VERSUS TWO Town/mafia mix (potentially one indie?) to leave town the loser when the two remaining mafia could likely be of opposite alignments. I can't think of a bigger ****up, honestly. It's embarassing how idiotic that behavior is. That's like failing your GED because you showed up thinking it was a turtle eating contest. It doesn't make any sense and everyone wonders what the **** is wrong with your head.

I'm not going to look at a situation where the one guy holding all the cards is the one guy telling us what to do and every action of his this game has been untrustworthy. Literally nothing KevinM has done this game has been substantial, he hasn't given any reliable or worthwhile reads, he hasn't been a presence at all, and none of his past actions in any way shape or form show that his current actions are logical. When he's called on it, his request is to simply rush the lynch before deadline, stating "we don't want Macman to shoot" when he gave him the gun in the first place. When we question, he has nothing but AtE over and over and over again.

Is it a risk?

Sure. Maybe KevinM is DGames worst mafia player and also a gunsmith that gave a daykill to someone he thought was scum in a scenario where NOT having a daykill was better in every possible way than having one. Maybe he's that worthless.

But if he's that big of a ****up, he wouldn't have been pushing the same way he has been. He would have realized "oh, that's stupid, my bad" rather than "I planned for this all along!", and he wouldn't have decided the optimal strategy was "I gave this guy a gun, lynch him as fast as possible before he shoots".

KevinM is the play for toDay.

On top of all of this MACMAN HAS A CLEAR FROM RAJAM.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe KevinM. You ask what "super ability" he might have? What if there's simply another 2-man mafia group, and their special ability is one of them has a daykill? That's all it'd take.

KevinM has a motive. Don't know what it is. Don't care. Did you read his "plan"? The stuff doesn't add up.
 

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OS why do you assume only 1 NKill?
OS said:
If Macman is scum

and we kill him toDay

We go from 8 to 6, new day starts. Mislynch, 6 to 4, forced to lynch FrozenFlame so we don't get endgamed by his unlynchable,4 to 3, lynch someone, down to 2.
If macman is scum. If he's scum, we'd presumably be finishing off blue or pink mafia and would have one less kill.
 

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Maybe we should do KevinM's plan.

KevinM said:
if he's town, town has two lynches toDay and can effectively win the game toDay

if he lies about not having the gun which I know he does through mod confirmation then I get lynched today and you nail one scum toDay anyways giving you an easy lynch tomorrow.

if only Rockin had listened to us this would have been easier worst game played yet.
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Macman has no reason to lie as scum anyway. Look at this:

J said:
If you do have a gun let's do this. Shoot one of Ditzy/OS. I prefer Ditzy but since you have the gun, probably shoot OS. Then if the day-phase continues, lynch the other.
FF said:
I'm totally ok with Macman gatting OS if he actually has that daykill "gift" from KevMo. If OS flips scum I'm also ok with a Jdietz lynch afterward, assuming the gift is legit of course.
JDietz said:
Oh boy... more complications. Maybe if Macman actually does get a gun he should just fire on FF to check
(who am I kidding he's going to murder OS no matter what if his past stances are any indication)
J, Macman, KevinM, FrozenFlame ALL were willing to have me dead. JDietz pretty much said "it's gonna happen". Macman had no reason NOT to shoot me whatsoever.



ON TOP OF ALL OF THIS:


Macman claimed to have no gun before Rajam noted his clear on Macman

Mafia has a framer. Rajam's role is sane. The framer certainly wasn't meant for their own cop.

KevinM is the play for toDay. He's one of the only nonclears left AND he brought this scenario on us in the first place.

Tomorrow, J.


KevinM holds all the cards. If he's town, he ****ed up horribly. I'm not in the business of baby sitting people who have been playing mafia for years. If he gave scum a gun, he's an idiot. I wouldn't consider anyone in this game stupid enough to do that, so he goes.
 

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KevinM, you wnat to come in here and start posting? I really want you to try and defend yourself again.

Why did you even think macman was scum in the first place? Do you have any evidence whatsoever?


And macman, I want your reads, all of them. I want them ASAP. As in under 15 hours.
 
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