Celebrity Rehab Mafia: Day 5 Begins! Deadline is Monday, May 28th at 11:59 PM EST!

[Rajam]

frozen, your turn to claim

Macman, confirm with Gorf asap whether you received or not the "gift"

And don't shoot anyone yet.

 

[KevinM]

Macman btw I'm giving you this gun for the sole purpose of shooting OS

So shoot him when it's cleared and everyone has claimed.

 

[Overswarm]

That would be silly.

 

[KevinM]

Nope, you're gameplay has been silly

or atrocious.. I can't really think of the word.

You have been self-preserving, you have been unhelpful and we're now on D5 and you're still not doing anything

 

[Overswarm]

Nope, you're gameplay has been silly

or atrocious.. I can't really think of the word.

You have been self-preserving, you have been unhelpful and we're now on D5 and you're still not doing anything

I don't think that's really true.

Regardless, you haven't really done anything yourself.

 

[KevinM]

I think nailing godfather on D1 is a pretty solid resume, I've also been at least actively contributing to who I think should go and at least a brief explanation of why.

You have barely given us that.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright so I'm Chuck Norris.

I'm the Town One Shot Bulletproof/Unlynchable. Basically, I have two lives. I can survive one night night OR one lynching. If I am night killed I am not informed as to whether or not I have lost my extra life.

I suspect I may have been the target for the kill on N1, since no one died.

I'm totally ok with Macman gatting OS if he actually has that daykill "gift" from KevMo. If OS flips scum I'm also ok with a Jdietz lynch afterward, assuming the gift is legit of course.

Vote: OS just to show my support. It's not like he's not used to it being there anyway. =P

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

EBWOP: 4th sentence should read "I can survive one night kill OR one lynching."

Derp.

 

[Jdietz43]

Awwww, but I liked the idea of a role that could survive one night night :3

 

[Overswarm]

Alright so I'm Chuck Norris.

I'm the Town One Shot Bulletproof/Unlynchable. Basically, I have two lives. I can survive one night night OR one lynching. If I am night killed I am not informed as to whether or not I have lost my extra life.

I suspect I may have been the target for the kill on N1, since no one died.

I'm totally ok with Macman gatting OS if he actually has that daykill "gift" from KevMo. If OS flips scum I'm also ok with a Jdietz lynch afterward, assuming the gift is legit of course.

Vote: OS just to show my support. It's not like he's not used to it being there anyway. =P

Someone totally isn't an indie

 

[Jdietz43]

Oh boy... more complications. Maybe if Macman actually does get a gun he should just fire on FF to check
(who am I kidding he's going to murder OS no matter what if his past stances are any indication)

 

[Rajam]

Your turn Macman

 

[Overswarm]

Oh boy... more complications. Maybe if Macman actually does get a gun he should just fire on FF to check
(who am I kidding he's going to murder OS no matter what if his past stances are any indication)

Then it'd be an easy decision to lynch macman on my town flip. Or KevinM. Either or, netiehr are going to be NKilled and both are useless.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah, because people who are actually indies claimed their BPness all the time, especially if they also have a lynch proof power. They totally want the town to know about that right?

Whycan'tIholdallofthisprojection.jpg

 

[Overswarm]

Yeah, because people who are actually indies claimed their BPness all the time, especially if they also have a lynch proof power. They totally want the town to know about that right?

Whycan'tIholdallofthisprojection.jpg

Keep on a pourin'.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Don't forget to pour yourself a glass too. You started it after all.

 

[Overswarm]

How is what I'm saying WIFOM? You are literally claiming a town unlynchable bulletproof in a game with two separate mafia factions that has a doctor and nurse already flip.

As for me starting it... I believe that was you saying "Overswarm is pink mafia or blue mafia or indie" and then narrowing it down as you were forced to.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

If anything, me claiming 1 time BP/unlynchable is MORE reasonable in a game with two mafia factions that we're pretty confident BOTH have the ability to kill. I don't see how there being Doc/Nurse and then a single two lived townie in a 17 man game is unreasonable in the first place even in a game with one killing faction, but even so, it makes MORE sense in this game with all the extra killing power.

The point I made earlier is more than just WIFOM logic as you'd love to simply reduce it to. It's a legitimate point, esp. with regard to the fact that I could potentially at this point in time withstand one lynch. As an indy there would be no sense in me doing that. If I got lynch and it didn't go through, I could easily make a case for there being a governor or some sort, or someone else having a lynch canceling ability. I wouldn't want to have to explain away that I'm invulnerable to lynches.

Also, only the mafia know if they've tried to kill me or not at this point in the game, so they know whether or not I'm vulnerable atm, and even then that's only one of the two factions. Revealing that I'm only a one shot BP would be a death sentence as an indy if the mafia faction that may have tried to kill me before decides to go at it again with the docs dead.

Yeah, it's WIFOMy, but that doesn't mean there are real points to be made from it.

I also don't see how me calling you scum early in the game, and then narrowing the likely type of scum you are as I learn more about the game has anything to do with who started anything, or my claim. You make it sound like I had to curtail some sort of elaborate farce of a stance that you are scum as evidence arose to contradict it, which isn't the case at all. I had a general theory, and then narrowed down my theory more specifically as more facts came to light. You can stop trying to spin doctor what actually happened.

Kevin/Macman what's the status with this daykill business?

 

[#HBC | J]

FF role does make sense mechanic-wise when dealing with that sort of thing.

Ugh, I'm going to have to do a case when I haven't done one in such a long time because I just keep pushing my lynch and it has worked but toDay's different.

Double-case going to be made tonight. (hopefully....xD)

1.) For why Ditzy's slot needs to go.
2.) Why OS is town.

 

[#HBC | J]

Re-reading, found this gem.

Holy **** so much scum and it's not D1

someone get me my gun this is gonna be fun

Smells of crumby goodness. Thought this sounded weird the first time through haha. xD Hind-sight bias aside. This looks like a crumb of KevinM's ability with is gun and, for me, makes his ability much more believable. Plus his candiates for who he gave his gun to also align with his town-reads and who he would trust/test with a gun.

Also KevinM has just been super towny this game so I don't even haha. Especially in the first leg, never got Rajam's suspicion on him.

Atm, switching KevinM and Macman in terms of where my reads are.

I also just realized I'm going to be re-reading OS vs. Macman/FF and cried a little on the inside a tad haha. ;__;

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry guys but I am just too dag on tired to finish my post tonight. I re-read the entire game *42 pages....fun but at the same time, no fun haha*.

Anyways lemme give a little preview as to what is going to go on.

I'm going to explain a few things as to why I feel certain ways on certain players. I feel like Ditzy should be the one to go because of his predeccessor and his attitude this game. I will talk a bit about OS and the suspicion (or lack thereof) on him this game. I will also talk about the rest of the cast: Rockin, Rajam, KevinM, FrozenFlame, and Macman. At the current time, I am leaning this as my lynch line:

Ditzy>Macman

I do not know really who is next in line from there because I have strong town-reads on the rest of the cast. I would probably then go FF if I absolutely had to choose. If the game would not end after those two or one of them were to flip town, I'd bet money on the last scum lying in the FF vs. OS debates. *Which I found out/realized Macman wasn't that big of an influencer in that* Anyways, I will get to more in-depth things tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh boy... more complications. Maybe if Macman actually does get a gun he should just fire on FF to check
(who am I kidding he's going to murder OS no matter what if his past stances are any indication)

I just gotta say one thing before I go to bed.

Really?

This post is probably one of the worst from this slot this game. He is saying for Macman to try and test a shot on FF when FF believes there was no NK on N1 and just what? Like I do not get the towny rationale behind making a post like this to try and instigate a shot just for the purpose of "testing" an ability. I could understand it more if Ditzy was directing it at one of his scum-reads (which he doesn't seem to have any at all) but he just tries to appeal to town about possibly doing it to "check" FF. However, he seems to try and make it seem like it doesn't matter what he says because of OS' suspicion.

Noticing a commonality but will save it for later.

 

[Overswarm]

Rajam, your result

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah I'm not sure what I was thinking when I brought that up, even half jokingly. I guess that FF was almost certainly an indy for having his abilities and we might want to be rid of him, but after hearing him explain it out I feel better about the chances of it being a town role. Especially the part where it wouldn't be in his interest to out his role if he really were an indy at this point.

I do want us to do something to lessen the confusion today. We've already got 4 mechanical questionmarks on the table (Rajam clears, J tracks, KevinM claim, FF claim).

(Also that's not true I have no scum-reads. I've got KevinM and Macman as my scumspects for being so inactive yet willing to kill)

I'd like to hear Rajam's result while we wait for Macman+Gorf as well.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm Michael Cera, VT

i got in touch with Gorf and i don't have any kind of gun or kill ability. so idk what's good with that kevin

gonna reread

 

[Rockin]

Does the kill ends the Day?

It would only end the day if the target was Town. Otherwise, the Day continues

FF's role sounds a little iffy, but with all the roles that's been popping up recently, I wouldn't be too surprised in this setup >_>

I'm also interested in J's case on JDiaz

 

[Rajam]

Got innocent on Macman (this also explains why I made J and KevM claim first)

ok... soooo I have the next results:

innocent: JDietz, Overswarm, frozenflame751, Macman

Then, if we believe my results are true, scum is among Rockin, J, KevinM (excluding eventual indies)

Two things now:
- I refuse to believe Rockin is scum given that he is a Role Cop (confirmed by J by confirming tracker), given that he knew Kantrip's role from N1 (confirmed the track by J as well), and that Kantrip didn't die N2
- vanderzant's flip as a framer has made me recover some faith on my sanity (why would mafia have a framer if I'm already not-sane? and the other cop was vander's scummate). Still not 100% but nothing has proven so far my results are wrong

Macman, please confirm if you have the gun, and under which conditions the Kill would end the Day. I still feel your responses regarding this have been vague since I don't know if it's 100% confirmed that you're claiming not receiving the gun

Conclusions: If my results are credible, scum is J and KevinM, period. One is blue, one is pink (I'm assuming each mafia has 3 members). Not considering eventual indies which flip innocent on my investigations, but now I think getting rid of NKills is priority

Plan of action: I'd like Macman shooting J or KevinM. This is by discard according to my results. If one of them flips scum, we lynch the other one then. If the killed player doesn't flip scum, then we must assume my results are crap, and hence we're back at zero -_- but at least we stop trusting my results and giving free passes to "cleared" people. Leaving J and Rockin alive will help to check claims and track killers; even if they themselves are scum, will still need to clear people in order to survive a little longer.

I want opinnions on this plan of action. Also, question at Macman, Rockin and frozen: KevinM crumbing his role... would you consider that a town, null, or scum tell given his meta? Have you seen him crumbing in past games? (question applies to anyone with some meta on KevM)

Meanwhile, we already have a contradiction between Macman and KevinM, so:

vote: KevinM

 

[#HBC | J]

*Walks away from Rajam*

No.

If anyone is lying in the contradiction scenario, it's Macman. I also don't agree with anything in your last post like at all. =/

 

[Overswarm]

I think it fits.

Still think we should lynch Rockin on principle. Willing to lynch KevinM.

 

[Rajam]

*Walks away from Rajam*

No.

If anyone is lying in the contradiction scenario, it's Macman. I also don't agree with anything in your last post like at all. =/

So you don't think I'm sane?

Tell me what do you think of vanderzant being framer

 

[#HBC | J]

No, I really do not feel you are sane.

Vandy being a framer can be to mess you up or a red herring role because of the fact they had a Sane Cop on their side. Having two Sane Cops in a game, or the Cop CC situation which garuntees one of the claimers to die if a Mass-claim were to come about makes things crazy. It does not make sense for you to be Sane or even close to that.

Also look at who has been left in the mixings for being "scum" in your mind.

There is me, who I know is town, have a PR, and also no-one has come up with a case to why I am scummy and I apologize if this is a wrong assessment but I am one of town's collectively strongest town reads due to my play this game.

Then there is Rockin, who has claimed a PR and his slot does not have scum intent behind it whatsoever. The only possible action that could be said has scum-intent is his latest action of looking at my slot with his ability but even then, it isn't that scummy.

Finally there is KevinM, who has been not scummy this game either and been adequately scum-hunting and looking at things. People keep on grouping this slot with Macman but there is a difference I wish to go into later. With his claim and this situation, it even makes much more sense for Macman to lie over KevinM in this business.

I will answer your questions in more detail later Rajam.

 

[Jdietz43]

@Rajam: Macman made it pretty clear he doesn't have a gun (or claims not to have one)


True or not, with Rajam claiming Macman inno lynching KevinM is the fastest way to figure this situation out. It should answer the question of KevinM vs. Macman and help us determine Rajam's sanity in one go. If KevinM is scum, everything is fine. If not, then Macman is scum and Rajam is naive.

@OS: Which principle are you willing to lynch Rockin on?

@Rockin: I'm curious how/why you claimed to have known what the kill would entail since Macman is claiming to have no gun. In every daykill scenario I've ever seen it wouldn't end the day.

It would only end the day if the target was Town. Otherwise, the Day continues

FF's role sounds a little iffy, but with all the roles that's been popping up recently, I wouldn't be too surprised in this setup >_>

I'm also interested in J's case on JDiaz

 

[Jdietz43]

Vote: KevinM

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin: I'm curious how/why you claimed to have known what the kill would entail since Macman is claiming to have no gun. In every daykill scenario I've ever seen it wouldn't end the day.

We had that same ruleset before. But many games ago, the rule changed (I forget what the reason was). So now, whenever a townie dies from a daykill, the game would go to the Night phase (as if a lynch happened). It's pretty much a standard now.

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright. I'll take your word for it.

 

[Ramen King]

Deadline set for 5/25 at 11:59 EST! With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

frozenflame751- (0)
KevinM- (2) Rajam, Jdietz43
Rajam- (0)
Rockin- (1) Overswarm
Macman- (0)
Jdietz43- (1) J
J- (0)
Overswarm- (2) Macman, frozenflame751

Not Voting- (2) Rockin, KevinM

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ MOD: I'm voting for OS as of this post: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14471454&postcount=1647

I agree with J that Macman is the more likely liar in this scenario than KevinM. Macman could easily actually have the gun, be lying about it hoping to create a mislynch on Kevin, and then can save the gun for late game and clinch a scum victory with a quick daykill. If we're going to be lynching Kevin or Macman because of this situation, it ought to be Macman. It's the far safer choice.

It's possible that KevinM got roleblocked or something when he attempted to give the gun away, which could have caused it to fail without Kevin even knowing about it, thus making Macman look like a liar even if he legitimately doesn't have the gun. Just a possibility to consider.

So yeah, IMO I say we go after Macman if no more info about this daykill ability giving scenario comes to light and we decide we want to lynch one of the two involved. And, as always, I'm still sympathetic to lynching OS just because I still just straight up think he's scum.

 

[Rajam]

Not really comfortable with lynching Macman. Let's suppose Macman is scum:

- He has created an scenario in which either him or KevinM is lying. Let's assume we lynch KevinM and he flips town, and also that Macman saves the gun for later. Running some numbers, now we're 8 alive, lynching KevinM toDay -> 7 alive. At Night worst scenario according to what we've seen would be two deaths, so, 5 alive. Next Day we lynch Macman, and even if he shoots someone (-> 4 alive), he still dies and loses (assuming he has no scummates remaining). Yeah if he is scum he may reduce town numbers a lot, but still he's guaranteed to die and lose. Doesn't make sense from scum's point of view.

I say let's lynch KevM. KevM flips town -> Macman scum, my results are crap, probably OS scum. J+Rockin will help looking for other scummies (*looks at OS*). KevM scum -> win, Macman town, most likely J is scum, and if there are indies left we lynch OS lol or whoever is not-cleared by J+Rockin's results

 

[Rajam]

sadssafsf wait, KevinM DOES THE KILL ENDS THE DAY? I want the prime source of the ability to confirm this, since it's crucial

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Rajam... your analysis doesn't make any sense.

Why the **** would we even give potential scum macman the chance to quick shoot in the first place when we know we can prevent it if he is lying about having it?

There's no way that KevinM actually has the gun giving ability AND is scum. That'd be ****ing retardedly broken, unless it had a stipulation that he couldn't give the gun to scum mates. So either he has the ability and he's town and it straight up didn't work, he has the ability and macman is lying about not getting the gun, or Kevin is just lying about having the ability entirely to make macman look like he's lying (which has the collateral damage of making himself look like a liar as well).

Either way, we know that Kevin isn't going to quickshoot us in the face if he's scum. Macman however, if scum, CAN do that. Why would we want to open ourselves up to that possibility?

Like seriously I can't think of any advantage to lynching Kevin over Mac in this scenario, if we have to decide between the two of them.

Also, it's probably best to just straight up ask the mod for confirmation about how daykills will work. Assuming the operate like modkills is not a good way to go about it. Typically modkills on townies end the day, and modkills on scum keep it going. I know for a fact that daykills are not always treated in this manner.

Usually, daykills either end the day or don't end the day, regardless of the alignment of the person who dies. Daykills ought to have an alignment neutral effect basically on how they affect the day.

@ MOD: Can we get an explanation of what the effect of a daykill would be on a day phase in the hypothetical situation that someone was daykilled by another player in this game?