I'm gonna apologize firstly by saying that this is a rather long post because it is going to sort out everything I want to say. I wanna finish things strongly with my thoughts on everything because I do not like the path this game is going at the current time.
Hmmm, weird way to start out the your game DH. Obviously Ran doesn't have a read at this point in the game, so it seems like a pointless ice breaker. Also, you ended it in a strange way to. You weren't really dragging anything out so why did you feel you were?
Here is Kafka questioning DH. I'll get to this moreso when he flips his read of DH from lean-scum to town. Here he is just questioning DH for being "weird/strange" but not actually pointing out things that are scummy nor do I see him really going anywhere with him pointing out these things and his final question.
Kafka]OS big post so I'm not quoting it.
Agree with Zen's 102 (J doesn't exist). Totally superfluous post. Only real thing it accomplishes is OS finishing up his mental masturbation session. Don't see the town intent in it and it seems to me that OS is trying too hard in that post.
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Total black and white thinking OS. This isn't a real reason to be suspicious of someone.
Tell me, what do you currently think of Zen (nevermind that I haven't caught up)?
Like this post, especially to bold. MY thoughts exactly. Like your play in general, I get a sense of Ran with curiosity which I like. You can be town for now.
Eww, gross.
Ran's play has changed to be like OS? He's being awkward? Are you sure that you've played with Ran before? At worse he should be null to you right now, I'm looking over Ran's play right now and I can't see any of what you're talking about.
Also what's up with that Dooms suspicion?
Not convinced. Still feels like a mechanical way of viewing things to me.
IGMEOU: Chaco
Oh, and forgot about this:
Vote: OS
For reasons stated.
Within these two posts, Kafka gives bogus reasoning for voting OS because he does not really explain why OS is scummy, yet has a strong scum-read and says "for reasons stated" when there are literally no reasons stated. Most of what he has said against OS is just piggybacking on what my slot had said against him earlier in the game. He points out that what OS has done is anti-town, but nowhere does he highlight where exactly it is scummy what he has done. He didn't seem to be looking for scum but moreso someone who they could just lynch.
Then there is his suspicion of Chaco which feels out of place and him trying to force a scum-read onto the slot. He gives him an "IGMEOU" but doesn't do anything to question him any more so. He says Chaco needed to post more at the time, but did nothing to encourage that. It shows his actions just fell on a bum note and didn't go much of anywhere else.
-Perhaps, but I don't want to let the point go simply because "OS mental masturbating is a null tell cus he just does that a lot (which he does, mind you). Big pointless posts are never a good thing and usually serve the purpose of making someone look like they're scumhunting when they're really not (FF's scum play in Melee mafia comes to mind).
To answer your question, I'm null on both. I like Kantrip's points about the town allienge thing but there's no way I'm going to give town points over simply being logical about something like that. I haven't read anything FF's posted yet except for his most recent posts and I don't know what context they're in so I can't really make a call on him yet either.
With the bullet I have left, Kafka shows insistence to his read on OS and somewhat stubborn of him saying "I don't wanna let go even if it may be a null-tell." He admits it himself that the very thing he is voting OS may be null and not scummy but he continues voting him because it is a possibility that it makes the purpose of faking content. He then tries to justify this point further with another person's meta (FF's nontheless) and doesn't explain why the action is scummy, nor does he choose to dissect OS' post to showcase where it is bad what he is doing. He just states stuff, and moves on from that.
Second half, Kafka decided to take a position on the fence for the Kanty vs. FF debacle. He also seems to contradict himself a tad too. The bolded shows this. He said above with his OS vote that he finds him scummy for being anti-town useless, however being pro-town/logical does not give someone town points? It seems he just looking for people to have as scummy and then leave more backdoors to players like Kanty. In fact, he even had created a backdoor on FF's slot by saying that he didn't have enough to make a call on his slot.
Ran still town. DH town with him. More or less looks like a genuine effort with his constant posting, although some of it's pretty dumb so I will have to go dumb town with him. I believe it was around 281 that I started to feel this way about DH if people need a reference. Need to read through RR's and DH's posts but they're just massive so later.
He flips his DH read all of the sudden which does not make sense at all. In the beginning of the game, he had been questioning his read on DH and saying that there were some points of his play that were weird yet he continues to try and justify a town-read. He names a post about DH but doesn't bring it up nor does he show exactly what about it makes him lean dumb-town. In fact, most people were beginning to lean scum on DH's slot over lean town. He also spends much more time explaining his DH town read and does not even touch upon his Ran town read.
My gut is shouting to me that they are scum because I feel that most of what they have posted have been purely null and I don't like that fact especially when it feels like its the Swords side of the hydra doing a majority of the posting.
His picks for vigging were just weird and I don't get why he picked Macman/Marshy, he says because they are unhelpful but what about Orbo or Rajam or even myself for being a non-presence.
I also do not care for his voting history this game of the first one being OS for shallow reasoning against him that someone called them out on and then their most current suspicions just line up with popular thought all of a sudden with Chaco/Rockin suspicion.
The thing I dislike the most about this slot would be how they have not really gotten their hands dirty yet, but they have said things/done light actions. Nothing from them seems to be "good" enough (if you understand where I coming with that wording) this game.
FoS: Kafkaesque
Re-highlighting my post against Kafka because the points are still true.
Skipping ahead because the Kafka slot just floated to D4 where they were replaced by Ditzy who didn't do anything whatsoever in the game really and just stuck around till now. Most of what he has done is just agree with popular decision and do whatever the main train of thought was. Never did he really attempt to scum-hunt and until now just got here.
1. frozenflame751 - Leaning Scum, didn't like his drawn out fights with Kantrip that went in circles
2. KevinM - Null, I get bad vibes from his style but I don't think he's done anything directly incriminating
4. Rajam - Town, hasn't done anything wrong and seems sane so far, want to see what he got today
5. Rockin - Null, he's been kind of inactive but I didn't get any red flags from him otherwise
7. Macman - Leaning Scum, he's been lurking in the intentional kind of way for awhile
10. Pink Lemonade (Ranmaru/July hydra) - Leaning Scum, they've been changing stances a lot and I disliked their overall posturing so far
12. Axel (J/Zen hydra) J - Leaning Town, they've had a few moments I was unsure of early game but seem ok now
16. Vanderzant - Null (slight town), didn't get any major impression out of skimming Dooms, Vanderzant seems fine pushing PL but otherwise I have nothing to base an impression with
17. Overswarm - Cleared by Rajam, I don't see any reason to question his innocence despite his unique armchair playstyle
Here are Ditzy's reads a point in which he was targetted for some things. He doesn't decide to vote in this post, nor does he even have a real scum-read in this post. He just throws out a bunch of leans and a bunch of hollow reads that don't have much backing nor does he scum-hunt on any of the slots.
Here he points out something no one has really pointed out yet which is a null-scum lean on Macman that was never justified besides just lurking. Then when we get to toDay's day Phase he says KevinM is the better one to lynch and the better one to get rid of? Noooo way in heck is that gonna fly. He is just following what is best for his own personal gain and survival with these reads.
He does the same with the PL vs. Vandy situation where he decided to fix his reads to show that he had PL as scummier than Vandy but did not care to explain why on either slot with much detail. He also comments on FF having long-drawn out fights with Kanty but does not care to go into the arugment he had with OS nor point anything out with that.
His reads just read fake/go with the flow and just posturing himself for the best out-come with what town is looking at. He's been a sheep since he began and continues to be over the game.
His recent posts against FF and also against KevinM have been terrible. =[ The slot just continues to be scummier.
So that highlights my suspicion on Ditzy based on the posts the slot has on the game but I feel in my gut they are scum. I can see them as indy and I can also see them as scum so it's a weird dynamic. I want them lynched because I feel they have a really high ratio of flipping scum.
Now onto others:
Rajam is town. He just does not make sense to me. He hasn't been right with a good majority of his reads nor do I get the way he has tried to take the lead position as town leader but not really do anything logical with it. Town, just a townie whose mind I don't get. I also do not get his fixation on me needing to be scum this game.
OS to me is town. I do not get the suspicion revolving around him because it just seems more like a suspicion based on his posting style and the way his posts do consist mainly of just fluffy arm-chair stuff but the fact of the matter is, he has been scum-hunting and also responding to people's points in a good manner. The only things I question with OS is his voting history because his KevinM vote in the earlier phase was bad and also his suspicion of PL earlier was bad too. Even know he is trying to lynch Rockin off of policy and just going with what Rajam wants.....okay I am not really helping why I feel OS is town. Basically, I do not agree that he could be scum with anyone on a scum-team. He is too independent of a thinker this game and just by himself. I also have recalled seeing OS as indy in the first Marjora's Mask where his play was significantly different. His posting style this game reminds me of Liar game and also AT mafia. His play lacks scum-intent over just lazy-town intent that was mentioned by RR while he was still around in the game.
J said:
Rockin seems wishy washy this game but I can't say I see the scum-intent in his actions and they just seem more pitiful. However, dislike his almost random Kanty vote because I did not think he was going to be going there plus it does not make sense to introduce another wagon so close to deadline, especially when Kanty even dropped his vote on FF due to it not going anywhere.
This is a good point for Rockin. People have failed, this game, to point out what exactly is scummy about Rockin. There have been points brought up that he had a bad post, but no one took it up to them to show where exactly in it, it was bad. The only things I can see scummy of him is his voting history which hasn't been that good and his most recent thing where he has investigated me in order to "prove" his claim which I don't get how that proved anything since no one was doubting his claim. Plus, if he had gone with what town wanted, we would have more of a real vibe on KevinM/Macman and find out which one is lying. Plus considering Rajam being Naive, it does make sense for town to have a role cop in order to actually determine things a heck of a lot clearer than the results Rajam has been giving us. Regardless, Rockin's play this game does not seem to me as scummy.
J said:
KevinM would be my strongest town read this game and I have to say I am thoroughly pleased with pretty much everything he has posted. I find him to be scum-hunting and pressuring his scum-reads really well. OS' suspicion of him does not make sense to me, however, OS leans more town for me. I do agree with KevinM though that his vote being on KevinM is useless and kind of a waste.
KevinM has been one of the biggest posters this game where I have been agreeing with pretty much every post he has given this game. I have yet to find one where I am just befuddled or confused or seeing the manipulative scummy self of KevinM. He has been explaining his reads and also pursuing things too. Plus combined with the situation we now have with Macman, I deffo see KevinM as town more more more than Macman it is crazy.
FF, as of late, has been giving me towny posts with his suspicion of things and also echoing my train of thought instead of just being a zombie to Rajam like OS/Ditzy have become. FF has had a bit of a tunnel head in certain places of the game but it hasn't stopped him from doing other things. In the battle of Kanty vs. FF, after X1-Inferno's flip, it definitely felt much more like a TvT debate and yet again with his debate with OS, it feels slightly TvT. However, if it turns out that Ditzy/Macman aren't scum, I would probably be looking at those two again. I am banking on not having too though because a LyLo of OS and FF would make me want to punch walls haha. xD FF just does not seem scummy (or better to word this, scummier) than slots such as Ditzy/Macman this game. If we are to throw his role into the mix, his role does make sense as a town PR this game considering the way the game is set up with multiple killing factions and the way things are set up, if FF is mafia, he is Pink if anything, can't be Blue because Blue has the killing ability it seems over poisoning. Plus with the X1-Inferno debate, FF does not seem logical with regards to being on X1's scum-team.
Finally, there is Macman. Macman actually has not done a lot. He is good at making good posts this game it seems as in regards to fighting logic but it doesn't say for much when talking about his scum-hunting this game. He basically just hopped into the debate with OS vs. FF and continued to just help the vets tear down OS a bit but never really did much after that. He has continued to float about with his vet alliance to this point until now where he is the more likely of the two to be lying. Also with his inconsistent/lurky posting, Macman has slipped much more under in terms of my reads because the other slots in this game have been much more townier than him in my eyes.
Bottom line:
Macman is the one who needs to go for toDay's lynch because of the situation with KevinM. However, I still would like Ditzy gone ASAP.
I'm done now and goodnight. Join me on Macman oooor let's get a Ditzy wagon brewing! =D
