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CASUAL ELITISTS vs COMPETITIVE ELITISTS!!!!
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BigRick
Smash Master
Most wimminz are casuals...
Hmm, I think it's a good idea to get along with them!
Hmm, I think it's a good idea to get along with them!
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Rick I want a serious relationship
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY RICK.
who needs it. Lets casually turn on brawl and just relax lol, we wont even know what all the advanced stuff is until ppl find it. No point stressing now amirite
so how bout them elitists amirite?
yoshi_fan
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Gimpifish
I like you really, finally a pro who makes sense
(well others have done the same... meh never mind)
I'm just sick of these battles.
Also you have done a lot for this boards...
I'm your number two fan (number 1 is yoshi lol)
Thank you very much
read: "they started it!"
Shadow Calibur
Smash Ace
As long as my opponent's not a sore loser, I've got no problem with casual players.
Gimp, I oughta treat you to a match with me sometime.
Gimp, I oughta treat you to a match with me sometime.
TheFifthMan
Smash Journeyman
****, gimpy, you're good.
As I said in the only other happy thread, this board was getting more divided than the US Congress. At the rate our flames are going, we are going to kill the community with our own divisions even before Brawl comes out.
To the future, Smashboards. *raises glass of champagne*
As I said in the only other happy thread, this board was getting more divided than the US Congress. At the rate our flames are going, we are going to kill the community with our own divisions even before Brawl comes out.
To the future, Smashboards. *raises glass of champagne*
Best. Post. Ever.
=2007=
Katy Parry
The Only Zelda in Indiana
OFT. I agree 100%.
blerb
Smash Journeyman
one of the few reasons casual players snap on competitive players is because competitive people just keep calling you out... saying things, taunting you... it's very annoying.
I guess you can say everyone is prejudice with each other, because a casual player would assume a competitive player would be the same way, while some competitive players assume the casual player would complain about crap like wavedashing or L-cancelling.
basically, it all lies on how people will react on first impression. basically, it's all down to the first bite of the "prejudice worm".
I guess you can say everyone is prejudice with each other, because a casual player would assume a competitive player would be the same way, while some competitive players assume the casual player would complain about crap like wavedashing or L-cancelling.
basically, it all lies on how people will react on first impression. basically, it's all down to the first bite of the "prejudice worm".
Vortok
Smash Journeyman
Silence, infidel. Gimpy is allowed to create new words.
I can't say I always agree/want to play like competitive players do, but I have nothing against them as there's reasons for the way things are set up. I will complain to the people I actually play with, who insist on playing like we're in a tourney at ALL times (aside from us doing 4-man instead of 1 on 1). I can enjoy playing both the "tourney" way and also the "casual" way (aka, items with funky stages) at various times.
And people saying stuff like "sad, pathetic, no life" etc sound kinda weird. They like video games enough to not only play them, but post on message boards about them (message boards dedicated to a single series, at that!). And then they turn around a call, basically the same activities, as (insert insult here). Gaming is becoming mainstream. It's not a no-life geek-only thing anymore. It's like making fun of a movie buff, someone that enjoys sailing, mountain climbing, or anything else really. Some people do a little of it, others really get into it. Both have fun with the activity, which is what really matters, right?
Hitaku
Smash Journeyman
To be completely honest I don't see how people can even argue about this. Competitive players take this game to the next level and that's all it comes down to. Some call wavedashing cheating but as long as tourneys allow it then the pros are going to do it. Why? Because its useful for many situations. I don't get why Casual players complain about things like wavedashing when they ARE in fact just casual players. If you come across someone and lose to them because of all the advanced techs you call cheating then get over it, it was just a match and you are a casual player. If you want to win and are playing someone of equal skill as you, the person with the greater options (techs) will be the one coming out on top.
Now to defend the casual players...When this game was made it was made for everyone, not just us tourney players. If someone enjoys playing with items then there is no reason that they shouldn't, it was put in the game for a reason after all. What's that reason? So people would enjoy the feature.
One thing casual players also need to understand is the tourney environment is designed for the best possible balance. Yes, there is top tier and low tier (I always hear the "Fox and Falco on final Destination" comments) but items don't balance that tier out, they just throw a lot of randomness into the game.
Someone before said that casual players should try and go competitive and I think that would be a good idea for some, but some people just don't have/want to invest the time that we do. In the end the real answer is that we just need to respect each other for what we are. Some people enjoy the game for the features that it has in it and some people enjoy the game for playing it on its most balanced level. Respect guys, it's something we should show to each other a lot more.
So in short, the next time you think about typing out how wavedashing is cheating, just understand that its a part of competitive play that makes the game more fun for tourney players and that no one is forcing it on you. Also, the next time you try to make fun of a casual player, don't. They are enjoying the game just as much as us and they wasted a lot less time. ^_-
Note: I know this doesn't apply to everyone, the terms I used to describe everyone were on a general basis. I know there are many casual players who don't refer to wavedashing as cheating and I know there are many competitive players who respect the casuals for how they enjoy the game.
Now to defend the casual players...When this game was made it was made for everyone, not just us tourney players. If someone enjoys playing with items then there is no reason that they shouldn't, it was put in the game for a reason after all. What's that reason? So people would enjoy the feature.
One thing casual players also need to understand is the tourney environment is designed for the best possible balance. Yes, there is top tier and low tier (I always hear the "Fox and Falco on final Destination" comments) but items don't balance that tier out, they just throw a lot of randomness into the game.
Someone before said that casual players should try and go competitive and I think that would be a good idea for some, but some people just don't have/want to invest the time that we do. In the end the real answer is that we just need to respect each other for what we are. Some people enjoy the game for the features that it has in it and some people enjoy the game for playing it on its most balanced level. Respect guys, it's something we should show to each other a lot more.
So in short, the next time you think about typing out how wavedashing is cheating, just understand that its a part of competitive play that makes the game more fun for tourney players and that no one is forcing it on you. Also, the next time you try to make fun of a casual player, don't. They are enjoying the game just as much as us and they wasted a lot less time. ^_-
Note: I know this doesn't apply to everyone, the terms I used to describe everyone were on a general basis. I know there are many casual players who don't refer to wavedashing as cheating and I know there are many competitive players who respect the casuals for how they enjoy the game.
Ogre_Deity_Link
Smash Lord
Gimpy, I wanna hug you...
GET OVER HERE!!!
GET OVER HERE!!!
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I am genuinely interested in the "rules" that must be enforced in order to be deemed "casual". Please tell me. Tell me what is allowed.
Ogre_Deity_Link
Smash Lord
You must have a viscious thirst for mac and cheese...
Oh wait, NM, that's me.
Casual...um...well, MY definition of the term is simply a gamer who doesn't focus intently on one game/genre but instead plays a variety of games. A jack-of-all-trades. He/she isn't an expert on many games, but they can still hold their own.
Oh wait, NM, that's me.
Casual...um...well, MY definition of the term is simply a gamer who doesn't focus intently on one game/genre but instead plays a variety of games. A jack-of-all-trades. He/she isn't an expert on many games, but they can still hold their own.
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... against whom? This is where the contradiction comes in. Casuals claim they have "skills", but they have an extremely weird and skewed definition.
But I'm still confused. Where is the line? How come only some casuals call edge-hogging cheap? Why is rolling cheap to some casuals but not others? Who sets your guys' standards?
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I've met people like that. It is glorious to utterly destroy them.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Implying a competitive gamer focuses soley on his competitive game of choice? way wrong.
Buzz and me are on the EXACT same wavelegnth, I agree more than 100 percent with every single one of his posts in this thread thus far. STFU casuals, you start ****, then you whine about being flamed back. No one, with the exception of me like.. 6-8 months ago went out to attack casuals. And I still feel a bit stupid for doing it back then, but at the birth of the brawl forums the scrub level was untolerable and there were very few intelligent posters like gimpy or buzz posting here frequently.
vesperview
Smash Hero
What is wrong with casuals again? As long as you enjoy the game it doesn't matter, competitive players take it to the extreme anyway.
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Dylan, your posts are cheap and unfair. You use advanced forum tactics. I hope the next Smashboards removes intelligence so that scrubs can beat you in debating.
vesperview, there is nothing wrong with casuals. The problem here is that casuals repeatedly stage attacks on the competitive community calling us "cheaters", "cheap", etc.
vesperview, there is nothing wrong with casuals. The problem here is that casuals repeatedly stage attacks on the competitive community calling us "cheaters", "cheap", etc.
No matter what style we play, whether it be items on or off, we are all smashers. We shouldn't be fighting so much. This argument is almost like arguing over two styles of paying Fox or any other character and flaming other Fox users just because they play defensive and you play offensive.
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I agree with you. That is not the problem. The problem emits from casual players who accuse the competitive players of playing dirty to win at all costs. The competitive community has no issues with the casual community. Competitive players are not opposed to playing with items, banned stages, etc. We are just opposed to competing in that environment. It is the casual community that needs a slap across the face... >_>
choknater
Smash Obsessed
Buzz you are a pretty cool guy.
/slap casual community
This is the home of competitive smash, like it or not. I do feel the same on which the casuals usually fan the flames but I think we all could get along if people just stopped and thought over what they were saying and if it would offend anyone.
This is the home of competitive smash, like it or not. I do feel the same on which the casuals usually fan the flames but I think we all could get along if people just stopped and thought over what they were saying and if it would offend anyone.
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
**** straight.
I am paying 50 bucks.
If you don't like how I am playing, than **** you.
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Again, I 100% agree with you. However, if you skim over some of the other heated topics, pages upon pages of posts were unable to convince some casual smashers that advanced tactics are not "cheap" or "cheating". I am a firm believe in logic, but some people are just immune to it. >_>
cecilbartz
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Wow aren't you a stupid loser, get a life!
LavisFiend
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How about attaching some logic to that statement? Got any proof?Sorry Buzz, but that's BS.
pwnzorz
Smash Journeyman
i am in NO way competitive, because I can't find people better than me; but, I hope to be competitive because of Brawl's Wi-fi. I am relatively causal. i do selective stage selection on random, no items and 4 lives. but sometimes i turn selective items on and/or play moving stages (big blue).
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
Simple. Just as there are casuals with beefs against pros, there are pros with beefs against casuals...
No one side is innocent.
See posts like this are what I'm talking about.
How do you know he doesn't have a life? It's much worse to flame on the internet than post something intelligently.
I believe that when 'everyone' is said we mean majority.
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I defy you to cite such a source. I have never seen a thread that states, "You casual players need to raise the bar. Playing with items is just unacceptable. From now on, walking is banned. You must wavedash everywhere." It is always the other way around: "Why do you guys use advanced techniques? Wavedashing is cheap! L-canceling makes characters unnaturally fast, so you guys are cheating!" Obviously, within those threads, there is much back-and-forth heated debate, but competitive players are clean on this one as far as I'm concerned.
Quoting this because I believe we should see if any casuals would be willing to try this.
there isn't supposed to be hostility in this thread! haha come on now guys
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
Dude...
The casuals are blamed for the removal of WaveDashing and whatnot all the time...
Quit being blind to the fact that your side of the world is just as dirty as the casual side.