Stockfield
Smash Champion
At the last NCSU Stingers did beat Boss in winners but lost to him in Losers Final.
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Carolina Brawl Power Rankings [1/27] Breaking Bad PRs!! YAY!
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ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
JD was missing from his list too.Pretty sure Tiger would be considered high level in this region after looking at that tier breakdown.
My projection is (THIS IS ONLY WHAT I THINK IT WILL BE):
1. Esam
2. Kadaj
3. Mekos
4. Stingers
5. H1N1
6. Scotty O.B.
7. Stockfield
8. Waldorf
9. V1CE
10. Arch
- If PP wants to be PR'd I would have him at 4, then bump Stingers and everyone below him down a spot
- As much as I respect Steve, he only has 2 tournaments this season. His only wins this season are Arch, Tiger (MK banned), Jaurice, Koozy (x2), and GQ. He placed 5th at Gold mine 4, but didn't really have to work hard to get there. I would not be surprised in the least if Steve wasn't PR'd this season, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Tiger and Arch would be his main competition for where I have him.
- Tiger placed 9th at TGM 3. This was pretty good considering the strength of competition (much greater than that of TGM 4). She beat Twitch, Nima, and Arch to get there. Her losses there were Seagull and Esam. No shame there. She has the same problem as Steve though, lack of participation. Neither her or Steve have much to go on this season. If she has out of state results as of 8/17, I would be interested in seeing them. Her only other in-state tourney this season (in my knowledge) makes for a very weak case, even though that's partly because MK was banned for that event.
- Waldorf did beat Stingers and Sushi (MK banned), but that's where it ends. Lack of participation and losses to Arch and Stock while placing fairly low at NCSU 4 are the reason why I have him lower than some might expect.
- JD didn't have the best season. Beating Waldorf pretty much saves him from dropping off the PR completely, though I could see Tiger being there instead.
- Jaurice beat me. If he sneaks in a spot, I won't be surprised. But much like Waldorf's win over Stingers, it looks like it's really all he has.
- I'm sure some people will say I'm being self-biased. I made my case about me being above Stock earlier, and I have wins over Arch, Stock, and Micaelis. I have a handful of other wins to go on but those are my 3 best. My losses besides Jaurice are pretty much Kadaj, Esam, H1N1 (x2), Darkflame, and I believe Player-1 and Cory have beaten me this season as well. Not much shame in those losses at all. Everyone I have below me is also somehow gimped by a certain circumstance that brings them down a peg or two. I won't get specific about that unless you ask me to though. But maybe I am just self-biased.
It will be interesting to see where the bottom half of this PR ends up, there are 2 cluster****s (one being me, Stock, and Waldorf, the other being Steve, JD, and Tiger). I really gave myself and Steve the benefit of the doubt though.
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Placings don't ****ing matter for PR, it is your W/L record vs people. Who cares how well you placed if you didn't beat any good players to get there?
*CT*
Smash Lord
Exactly what I said earlier xP free brackets
How many tournaments were in the last season?
EDIT: The lower half of the PRs for NC are always random and hard to predict, its always been like that.
EDIT 2: Micaelis isn't even in NC though, or did he move and I not notice like Esam xP PR data is usually NC vs NC, I think we can make an exception to Seagull (But I wouldn't even want to use that for PR data for W/L) since he comes down quite a bit.
EDIT 3: I'm starting to like TX's gay point system every time I hear about PRs, just because I like numbers
*PS* Sorry guys I'm really bored right now x.x so I'll keep on editing instead of spam posting.
DUB
Smash Lord
I liked the point system even though it's more work for those in charge, it's accurate.
*CT*
Smash Lord
What we really also need to start doing if not already (I've been out of the scene too long) is to keep more information along with W/L
Like if a set is 2-1 (maybe even % and stock if its a close set) etc. It's more work, but it yields a lot more accurate data, no?
Like if a set is 2-1 (maybe even % and stock if its a close set) etc. It's more work, but it yields a lot more accurate data, no?
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
If we throw placings out the window then there's more reason for me to be above Stock. I'm still 50-50 about me being above Waldorf though.
Micaelis was 4th in GA when I played him, and is still in that spot. CT, I think your argument that the PR is NC vs NC only is just downright stupid. You're saying if an amazing player from out of state comes to an NC event, and someone in NC beats that player (wishful thinking what with how free we are, right?), it doesn't matter one bit? The panelists DO give credit for feats like this (Stingers told me I got credit for beating Pitzer, whom I'm pretty sure is MD/VA so if you disagree with me then take it up with Stingers). I can maybe see if we're the ones who go out of state, but TGM 3 was an NC event. I may have only been in the scene since March, but I have NEVER seen the PRs be based off of NC vs NC matches only and nothing else. In my match against Micaelis, he was definitely seeded higher than me, and definitely favored to beat me, but I 2-0'd him.
Micaelis was 4th in GA when I played him, and is still in that spot. CT, I think your argument that the PR is NC vs NC only is just downright stupid. You're saying if an amazing player from out of state comes to an NC event, and someone in NC beats that player (wishful thinking what with how free we are, right?), it doesn't matter one bit? The panelists DO give credit for feats like this (Stingers told me I got credit for beating Pitzer, whom I'm pretty sure is MD/VA so if you disagree with me then take it up with Stingers). I can maybe see if we're the ones who go out of state, but TGM 3 was an NC event. I may have only been in the scene since March, but I have NEVER seen the PRs be based off of NC vs NC matches only and nothing else. In my match against Micaelis, he was definitely seeded higher than me, and definitely favored to beat me, but I 2-0'd him.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
The only time you can use OOS for comparison is if BOTH people played them. That is like saying MVD comes up to NC and Kadaj beats him while nobody else plays him. Well yeah, good for Kadaj, but you can't quantify how good he is based on rankings since there is no basis for comparison.
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
Tell that to our panelists then Esam. By your standards I should never have gotten credit for beating Pitzer.
But I'm not using it for comparison. I'm only trying to soften the blow of my one loss to Jaurice because knowing how our panelists work, I'll get PR gimped in a way that I feel like I don't deserve.
But I'm not using it for comparison. I'm only trying to soften the blow of my one loss to Jaurice because knowing how our panelists work, I'll get PR gimped in a way that I feel like I don't deserve.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
I don't really care, but it is a flawed point since there is no basis on it. You can't objectively say "X region is better than Y so their #5 > Our #5". I mean, it is obvious which regions are clearly superior (NY/NJ/Socal, then TX/FL), but you still can't say that objectively.
fix'd that for you
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
Hasn't Stingers beaten Mekos though?
Also Nima I will strangle you if you make another "tier" breakdown of players like that.
Also Nima I will strangle you if you make another "tier" breakdown of players like that.
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
I'm not saying that at all, I'm not even trying to compare regions, and if you really don't care then just stop talking.
I just want the work that I have put in to actually mean something at all. You're trying to say it's pointless to play, let alone win, against someone who's out of state even if they had a higher seed in that tournament than you did. Or at least that is the message I'm receiving from you. It just means nothing besides that I guess with the exception of money possibly being on the line (in this case, it wasn't).
Well then I guess there's no point in attending any events if I won't be winning any money anytime soon.
considering it because I want us to **** in both games but idk =p
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
He did. Mekos got a win against Esam though, while Stingers just got 3-stocked into oblivion. My question is does Mekos' losses to Esam in LF and GF negate his win?
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
LOL Jaurice that's great!
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Ryu would be proud.
But seriously you said what I (and alot of people in the boro) already know. It's just that since you're PR'd player it holds more merit (actually Jayson said it too but you're higher on the list so it holds more merit).
But seriously you said what I (and alot of people in the boro) already know. It's just that since you're PR'd player it holds more merit (actually Jayson said it too but you're higher on the list so it holds more merit).
*CT*
Smash Lord
I made another big long discussion, but then I thought "It's just a waste of time to try to discuss it, its out of my hands no matter what."
I'm a ****ty player that doesn't really even play this game currently, so no one values my input and will be forever in the wrong.
I'm a ****ty player that doesn't really even play this game currently, so no one values my input and will be forever in the wrong.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
I approve of this.
Oh and let's not forget Dr.Yogi beat Jayson at the NCSU back in October.
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
Well it's out of my hands too, but the only argument I was trying to make against yours is that the NC PRs haven't really been pure NC vs NC matches. I backed it up by stating that Stingers told me I got credit for beating Pitzer. I don't recall who else in NC played against Pitzer that season besides V1CE, who also beat him then. (Think G6)
I'm more salty towards Esam. I apologize if I was a bit much CT
stingers
Smash Obsessed
i lost to boss cuz I got cocky...I was up 2-0 and he figured me out and ***** me the last 3 games. I beat him in winners though.
and yes oos wins still count -.- you can go off of their PRs for 1, for another you can judge them solely based on who THEY beat and lost to that tournament and use that as data to place them accurately. theres no reason beating someone oos shouldn't count just because they're not at every NC tourney, cuz its not like every person from NC is at every NC tourney anyway -,- pitzer comes to more **** than steve LOL
and yes oos wins still count -.- you can go off of their PRs for 1, for another you can judge them solely based on who THEY beat and lost to that tournament and use that as data to place them accurately. theres no reason beating someone oos shouldn't count just because they're not at every NC tourney, cuz its not like every person from NC is at every NC tourney anyway -,- pitzer comes to more **** than steve LOL
stingers
Smash Obsessed
Also, those who went to apex should definitely post who they beat/lost to in tourney or MM's $5+ cuz that **** def. counts as well
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
Beat Red Ryu in pools 2-1
Lost to Stingers 2-0 $5
Lost to YoshQ 2-1 $5
Lost to Coney in pools 2-0
Lost to Zori in pools 2-0
Asa didn't show, but he was in my pool.
Yeah it's not looking good for me lol
EDIT: THANK YOU STINGERS!!!
Lost to Stingers 2-0 $5
Lost to YoshQ 2-1 $5
Lost to Coney in pools 2-0
Lost to Zori in pools 2-0
Asa didn't show, but he was in my pool.
Yeah it's not looking good for me lol
EDIT: THANK YOU STINGERS!!!
V1CE
Smash Champion
Wins would be Koozy 2x, GQ, Archer, Tiger,um i fogot who else...
Losses would be Pitzer, Darkflame, Mekos, Kadaj
I beat Ussi in a mm and some guy named Prrawn or something
Losses would be Pitzer, Darkflame, Mekos, Kadaj
I beat Ussi in a mm and some guy named Prrawn or something
Killanator90
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Cant help feeling that im being over looked somehow. Didnt do good at apex, which wasnt my main intent for going up there though, but for not doing good in my pools i should be shot and killed immediately. My main goal was to go to apex and learn from every body. Mainly the top players and the yoshi crew/Karamity. Learn some things just by talking to them, but didnt get to play as much as i would of liked to. DId play rain and holy though so i was happy about that.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
You get pride, you get self-worth...but for PR it is worthless. If you make it far in bracket and beat an OOS, you are now farther in bracket and did good in tournament. It isn't only about the money and it isn't only about the PRs. When I started getting good placings I was so happy I was breaking top 5, top 4, top 3, etc., regardless of who I beat (Although it helped me get more recognized). Again, if that person plays MULTIPLE people in contention for the PR (let's say Junebug comes and plays me/mekos/kadaj/stingers and we are all tied for #1 on PR: me/kadaj beat him yet mekos/stingers lose...that makes me/kadaj have a better record than mekos/stingers because we can COMPARE it, not just because we beat a good player from another region) than it counts. I beat M2K at Xanadu, yet no other NC has played him this season. That win shouldn't hold any merit towards me since I am the only one who played him, it would be unfair to add it. Likewise, it would be unfair to have my losing record vs Vinnie/Nietono/Otori held against me for this PR since no other NC player played them in tournament. It's about comparison.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Beat bris 2-0
Beat d-torr 2-1
Lost to ikon 0-2
Lost to 4god 0-2
Beat d-torr 2-1
Lost to ikon 0-2
Lost to 4god 0-2
Killanator90
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Thats a pretty interesting way of looking at things. So beating a top player has not weight at all?
*CT*
Smash Lord
That's not exactly what he's saying. It's more like the way Esam is viewing it (I agree on it btw) is that data from OoS shouldn't be considered if the pool of data isn't large enough or consistent I suppose.
Example: For PRs the #1 Candidates would be A,B and C.
A and B played Top player A, A lost to TPA and B won against TPA
BUT C never even played TPA
A, B and C all have an even record per see in state against each other.
So how would you resolve this matter.
All we can say is that B is better than A, but until C plays TPA (Top Player A) we couldn't confirm that.
IF C loses to TPA, then A would be ranked 1, if C wins, then B or C still have to use data to figure out who is #1, but we can conclude that A would be #3.
I don't really like random name drops so I use letters, I did not think about this for too long. So there are a lot of holes in my example xP
@Brian- I think that's the easiest and simplest way to put it, but from what Alex is saying that's not true though, but yeah it really is up to the panel list on how the state gets ranked.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
I should be on this PR as well. I now live in Mount Airy, Nc. My house is literally on the border of VA to Nc. I'm now Va/Nc combined. Get@me.
Killanator90
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Ah gotcha you would need like a battle record then or something like
*CT*
Smash Lord
Stop trollin me bro, that's so far away even if its true x.xI should be on this PR as well. I now live in Mount Airy, Nc.
@Jason- Pretty much
Stockfield
Smash Champion
Please put Scotty spot above me if I still stay on the PRs.
ShadowAzure
Smash Journeyman
So are you assuming I'm the only NC PR contender that Micaelis has played against this season? That isn't true by any means. Looking at other results including our contendors during this season, he has played H1N1, Kadaj, and PP. Now if only Snap posted the actual bracket to G6:4, I could probably name a few more. If you want, I will pm you the tourney result threads where I got this information, that is if you really care that much about shooting me down. If a GA tourney doesn't count then by all means throw away H1N1's loss to him, and Kadaj's win.
But Stingers already made it clear, OoS will count. This discussion is over.
Stock: I don't want it because you request it. I want it because I feel like I EARNED it. Esam is telling me otherwise.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
This region is banningSeagull **** you and your mk. Now you have to play wolf against me lmao
? Lame.It's cool though, I got like 10 alts.
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