Carolina Brawl Power Rankings [1/27] Breaking Bad PRs!! YAY!

[Dr Peepee]

Oooo interesting.

Esam is that true in Melee as well?

 

[Mekos]

This is a lucas only thing guys. Invented by Mekos, Fow, and Nexus. But Perfected by Mekos of course! But Esam is right about the frame data

It doesn't extend yer hurtbox. It just simply cancels landing lag faster than an airdodge. It also, scares people. It allows you to pivot faster and basically just move along the ground real fast. Did u watch the stream at Clash 1. My opponents were always confused what I was going to do.

So the difference is again:
1. Shield faster than simple air dodge
2. attack faster " "
3. dash faster " "
4. EVERYTHING is faster!

 

[Mekos]

Hey guys make sure u vote no. Brawl without mk will be gay this late in the game.

 

[Stockfield]

I already voted no.

 

[MVD]

Grenades Up Tilt F Tilt JADS thhat's how I play

 

[Killanator90]

where do you vote at

 

[Black Mantis]

where do you vote at

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=310386

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Normal landings have either 2 frames of lag (soft landing, which is just landing without fastfall) or 4 frames of lag (If you are fastfalling or you air-dodge). When you land with a Zair (Which is what snaking does) you have 0 frames of lag, so you are technically faster than if you just air dodged or SH'd.

lolno

you land with regular landing lag.

It's just a really good mix-up because it mimics an aerial so the opponent's reaction would be the same as to avoid the aerial, but then you have less landing lag than an aerial attack.
It also seems like you're doing things faster because you're adding more inputs into your play, meaning your hands are doing more.

 

[Pitzer]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=310386

Did someone call?

 

[Mekos]

lolno

you land with regular landing lag.

It's just a really good mix-up because it mimics an aerial so the opponent's reaction would be the same as to avoid the aerial, but then you have less landing lag than an aerial attack.
It also seems like you're doing things faster because you're adding more inputs into your play, meaning your hands are doing more.

Not being mean at all here peoples but u have players like RPSI who learn all the technique lingo crap and then u have players like me who feel it! RPSI go and air dodge and jab and then snake and jab. It is definitely faster. lol people can even see it. The dust properties that come off the ground are even faster haha. Sorry but even esam who looked at the frame or whatever said it was faster.

Here is another example. Other lucas players Di with nair. That makes no sense to me as I use fair. People claim that all yer attacks do the same thing for DI as long as its the same speed. Well I contend to say that I definitely "feel" that fair gives lucas the best control over his body. (Unless it's ness back throw. lol then use bair haha).

 

[Mekos]

Lastly, I'm telling u, the person who created it. I'm not doing it to cancel an attack or mostly for mindgames. I'm doing it for the enhanced speed. I like to do it into jabs, ftilts, pika thunder, short hop to pika fire, smashes, etc. Yer landing lag is canceled and u can immediately input a command. I have mastered it so that I have better spacing than what u can do with a simple air dodge. It also, gives me more control over where I land. This could be seen at clash if u watched. I was their for every punish and had perfect spacing.

Look how fast my lucas is ---> http://www.twitch.tv/vvv_chibosempai/b/294183805 (u gotta find yer own matches of me. sorry its a stream)
U can see it. Don't tell me about some frame data. No other lucas with regular air dodge is that quick. It's upgraded my game a whole lot. Some matches weren't recorded for example. It gives me the ability to capitalize on my reads. For example, I dominated ninja link. Someone who when I was new to smash tourneys I though was one of the greatest. Well, I know I've reached a certain level in smash cuz it was so easy. I even killed myself game 1 messing around cuz I knew I could win games 2 and 3. And did. For example, when playing his ROb and Chibo's Rob actually, they both shoot the gyro and then lasor. I read them and because of my snaking was able to whip out my down b quick enuff. U CANT do that by simply air dodging!

 

[Black Mantis]

Did someone call?

I'm guessing you play Q and Ken now?

My Q game has improved too Alex.

 

[MVD]

Omg Lucas talk let's talk about snake or ICs

 

[~Twitch~]

what's there to talk about with ICs?

 

[Mekos]

Lol MVD...tell me how to **** snake!! I think I've gotten better at the matchup. I just have to get heavy reads when yer off the stage. It's just so scary tho. Most snakes I can get some nice fairs in and even down b sometimes. But other snakes like Ally will throw out a wild aerial and ff me up while recovering! wth!

 

[MVD]

Have you seen me land LOL ima hit you with feet

 

[Mekos]

yea that thing is hard to punish. It's fast. I need to find a way to punish it cuz challenging it wit my head hurts real bad if it is mistimed.

 

[MVD]

Read where ima land and charge a smash attack lol

 

[Mekos]

shut up MVD! lol U are not that dumb. U guys position it well and do it fast. I can't charge no smash haha. If I did u would react and do something else. U are good remember?

 

[MVD]

I mean once you force me to land with an attack you can do anything you want

 

[Mekos]

wait I might be confused which attack yer talking about. I'm thinking of that ting where yer like on yer belly. I think I'm thinking about the wrong attack. That move I'm thinking of might be yer back air i think.

 

[MVD]

Yeah its bair if you force me to land.with that go IN FRONT of me cause my head does not hit you

 

[Marly]

Ice Climbers without Metaknight doesn't seem too fun, to be honest.

 

[Mekos]

oh my gosh! Great idea!! I'll test that out. I already can imagine it will be hard tho because u top snakes fast fall with it when yer low or medium in the air. But when u do it high in da air I'll quickly run around. Nice MVD! Keep up the tips!

 

[MVD]

Even if its FF you can do it your bat is kinds really fast

 

[Mekos]

I'll try. My baby lucas is fast and strong but has low priority at the same time. I can't afford to trade with yer super heavy character. Thanks
*I know the forward smash attack might trade with those heavy legs. The upsmash isn't fast enuff

 

[MVD]

I say since you can move in the air get used to snakes animations and SH snake to get around.him so you can move from center of him to the front of him

 

[Mekos]

What is SH? short hop?

 

[MVD]

Ya

 

[Foxy]

Ice Climbers without Metaknight doesn't seem too fun, to be honest.

this10this

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Mekos, just watch me vs MVD and how I get him into situations off-stage where he has to land in front of me, and I just charge F-smash. You can do the same thing.

 

[Mekos]

Okay thanks Esam! Will do!

 

[Pyronic_Star]

so, because i was 100% sure about the z-air having 0 lag i just went and tested it in frame advance mode

lucas's z-air has normal landing lag, so an airdodge accomplishes the same thing. now what may be occurring is that you feel more comfortable buffering moves out of a zair but in reality the only thin you are doing is losing a few invincibility frames you could have by air dodging into the ground

bourhgt you you by NC's future pr'd member logic :D

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Maybe his body is extended so he lands earlier than if he just normally jumped?

 

[stingers]

no...like I said before...the only thing that happens is he's invincible for less time and he extends his hurtbox lol.

whats more likely is that he's just used to fastfalling out of ropesnake, so it feels faster to him.

 

[Pyronic_Star]

nope, nothing is differen't, he has the same exact landing animation and everything.

 

[Mekos]

no...like I said before...the only thing that happens is he's invincible for less time and he extends his hurtbox lol.

whats more likely is that he's just used to fastfalling out of ropesnake, so it feels faster to him.

That would be terrible if that were the case. Like I said I don't test frame data. But it allows me to have more control over spacing and allows me to attack when landing faster than if i allowed a full short hop air dodge. So even if the landing part is false. It has upgraded my "quickness"

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

>_> But he just proved it ISN'T faster.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Not being mean at all here peoples but u have players like RPSI who learn all the technique lingo crap and then u have players like me who feel it! RPSI go and air dodge and jab and then snake and jab. It is definitely faster. lol people can even see it. The dust properties that come off the ground are even faster haha. Sorry but even esam who looked at the frame or whatever said it was faster.

Here is another example. Other lucas players Di with nair. That makes no sense to me as I use fair. People claim that all yer attacks do the same thing for DI as long as its the same speed. Well I contend to say that I definitely "feel" that fair gives lucas the best control over his body. (Unless it's ness back throw. lol then use bair haha).

so, because i was 100% sure about the z-air having 0 lag i just went and tested it in frame advance mode

lucas's z-air has normal landing lag, so an airdodge accomplishes the same thing. now what may be occurring is that you feel more comfortable buffering moves out of a zair but in reality the only thin you are doing is losing a few invincibility frames you could have by air dodging into the ground

bourhgt you you by NC's future pr'd member logic :D

Thanks PS, because other people don't trust a member of the Smash Lab to provide accurate frame data.

 

[Mekos]

haha sorry RSPI! I believe u guys. But I still know how it makes me feel and others who play me.

Logic also says the Dk's infinite can be handled if u can mash out fast enuff. What do u feel about that RPSI. I mash out at extremely low %s. But after about 40% there was I couldn't mash out. Logic even tried it on the live stream and couldn't do it. Again, what is yer opinion?