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Yeah that's how that works. It's a great mixup. You can pivot Fair or pivot SH then Fair if he lands to pressure/hit him or don't swing if he jumps so you can prepare to challenge his next play. You can also dash/run/WD under him as he's going toward you and then grab his landing or try to Uair/Fair his DJ.Couple questions about different matchups
when fox does an approaching fh towards me in neutral, and I dash back to cover it, is it hard to differentiate between him landing with an aerial and him using his dj as he's getting close to landing? I have trouble dealing with this mixup out of my dash away, since I feel like I can only cover one of them, and if I guess wrong I'm either punished or I lose stage.
when peach has a turnip in her hand, a lot of the time I find myself nairing at her when I'm closer to her and I couldn't wd dtilt in time since it will beat throwing it at me that close. She will often shield in response, and I feel like I can't hit turnip throw oos for some reason after I have spaced the nair on her shield. I often try dtilting afterwards to try and hit her wd, but when she throws the turnip I often catch it by accident and eat a punish. Are there different things I can try when peach is shielding with a turnip? I feel like this situation is really good for me but I haven't been able to capitalize on it.
btw Kotastic I played faceroll for awhile this weekend since he came to Houston, was really interesting to play him after watching yall's sets for awhile. I got messed up a lot but I feel like I learned quite a bit too. He's amazing LOL
Make friends, ask questions, record matches when possible, learn your limits to grinding.What can I do to make the most of weekly locals? Sorry if this is a vague question.
First things I noticed were DI and confidence. You played very scared and were constantly mis-spacing by undershooting your aerials as well as messing up at ends of gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfPR0I9a1w
any tips? (other than the obviously choked edgeguards)
I only give advice when people link specific situations.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfPR0I9a1w
any tips? (other than the obviously choked edgeguards)
I overshoot when I can confirm them moving back or when I can space to hit them moving back or in place like with certain Dtilts. Sometimes I'll predict it but that's less common as it's risky. Undershooting I like doing with Fair in many matchups as it lets me control space safely and can help me take it as well.So I have been lazy in practicing really. Not prac tech skill or just playing friendlies.
When I do focus now, the one thing that is bugging me is how to act faster in reading an opponent/feeling out.
It takes me a bit to understand better players gameplans and I want to be able to get and understanding/feel out players faster at the start of matches.
Leading into my main topic of discussion:
How do you all know when to overshoot/undershoot? I've been particularly focusing on that when I start to lose in games and sometimes it works in adjusting or it doesn't
How would you describe your abstract way of thinking? I try and look at things in the framework of different parts of the game that I can improve, and I was wondering what you might be examining.Uhhh nowadays i just do notes in my head since it's faster. I don't like a lot of my old analysis, but I'm usually open analyzing other ppl if they request it.
A lot of my improvement came from thinking abstractly, have everything i do with relative purpose, and questioning stuff with further optimizations. Analyzing is something i don't do that often nowadays since i don't find it as helpful as the other methods i do to improve.
Yeah I think I do some things pretty similarly to that, I understand what you are saying.I guess i would describe my abstract thinking by thinking of various concepts, visualize how it should ideally run in my head, and then actually testing them in friendlies and note whatever. I get said ideas from information here, some analysis, group chat ideas, my own ideas, etc..
If I really get stuck, then I consult here.
ggz! Happy for you manI'm ranked in SoCal, omggggg!!
The grind still continues for me; thanks for the continual advice pp.
Yea I wasn't sure if that was true confirm for run cancel shine. I guess I need to work on SDIing drill to reduce on those opportunities.If he does run cancel shine then he can grab no matter what. If he does regular shine WD toward you then DI the shine away and dash away should be easy enough to help you dodge the grab. If you're unsure you can get away then you can just prepare to DI the throw.
Generally you want to DI away.Yea I wasn't sure if that was true confirm for run cancel shine. I guess I need to work on SDIing drill to reduce on those opportunities.
That's what I've been trying to do, DI away or down and away. Dashing I don't think I've been implementing as much but need to outside of falco lasers which I feel I'm much better at dealing with/mixing up approaches against.
I was watching your evo 2015 match against Armada and noticed how even you were shine dash grabbed.
What would you say is optimal di/sdi against fox shine? I know falco shine di but have been unsure as Marth in where to di
Get near edge in a position to either hit him or take edge. If he gets up then do a setup that can let you hit him. If he seems content to stay on the edge then hit him there or take it. The main thing is to practice getting into position to threaten with a quick WD to edge, so it helps to be turned around. You just need to be spaced so you're not only covering edge.So I lost a set to a troll in bracket and it tilted me so hard. All he did was pick puff or sheik and just ledge camped for the entire game and gave a running commentary of what he was doing which consisted of ledge camping and I'm not sure what to do like I couldn't really hit him with anything and if I try and missed I get punished and then he goes straight back to ledge if I just stayed at tipper range or farther he just continues to stay on the ledge and waits for me to do something so aside from it being really annoying how do you deal with someone who is just going to do that? Or how do you punish someone who just refreshes invincibility over and over?
I honestly have been feeling the same with DDing. I can't really threaten without getting punished and use dashdancing successfully more so when doing tech chasing. Interesting take on Dtilt=LasersI think I've really internalized the purpose of WD dtilt in the past week, and combining it with WD back to create some fakes, bully them on the ground, and observation notes to really capitalize my opponents in the air. It really feels like I'm very connected with the tool right now with the purpose very clear to me.
I can't say the same right now for dash dancing. For now, I just see dashes as an extension of maneuvering WD dtilt and also just to quickly reposition to dodge attacks and all. I can dash immediately aerial, but it's from WD dtilt that I've observed/conditioned my opponent to jump where I find the use of dash aerial. I've had some ideas with dash dancing such as rhythm and all, but I don't think it's reliable for me right now and what I truly threaten off of dashes alone is very unclear to me. I guess I can also dash back pivot fair, but I think I have more utility by just WD back instead.
It's funny how I've been viewing Falco's lasers as Marth's dtilt the past week and it was a gamechanger for me. So much more concepts became clearer to me and dash dancing with Falco actually makes sense to me because each dash could represent a dash --> jump laser which guarantees a response from my opponent, at least the way of how I play Falco. I think it's kind of ironic that I still don't know what would garner a response with dash dancing Marth despite playing him for years now. Hell, just WD back and forth makes more sense than dashing back and forth lol.
Dash could turn to run, which could turn to RC Dtilt. The end idea is the same: use the threat of Dtilt to expand your threat zone. This means you can move in and let threats happen for you. Anyway, dashing minimally and WD'ing more is easier in some matchups than others, but minimalism in general is what you're looking for. If you can find ways to dash to supplement your WD game, such as using it to dash in and do various aerials in place or retreating etc or to reposition your WD, then I think that is good for now. Looking for what dash is connected to and how to move simply to threaten that would also be useful though should you want to explore this more.I think I've really internalized the purpose of WD dtilt in the past week, and combining it with WD back to create some fakes, bully them on the ground, and observation notes to really capitalize my opponents in the air. It really feels like I'm very connected with the tool right now with the purpose very clear to me.
I can't say the same right now for dash dancing. For now, I just see dashes as an extension of maneuvering WD dtilt and also just to quickly reposition to dodge attacks and all. I can dash immediately aerial, but it's from WD dtilt that I've observed/conditioned my opponent to jump where I find the use of dash aerial. I've had some ideas with dash dancing such as rhythm and all, but I don't think it's reliable for me right now and what I truly threaten off of dashes alone is very unclear to me. I guess I can also dash back pivot fair, but I think I have more utility by just WD back instead.
It's funny how I've been viewing Falco's lasers as Marth's dtilt the past week and it was a gamechanger for me. So much more concepts became clearer to me and dash dancing with Falco actually makes sense to me because each dash could represent a dash --> jump laser which guarantees a response from my opponent, at least the way of how I play Falco. I think it's kind of ironic that I still don't know what would garner a response with dash dancing Marth despite playing him for years now. Hell, just WD back and forth makes more sense than dashing back and forth lol.
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I honestly am so stoked to see you coming back. A lot of the people I actively play with doubted but I knew that one day the Sage of Melee would once again descend from his mountain in Norcal to spread his knowledge to the world! Jokes aside though I'm looking forward to your return and can't wait to learn even more from you in the future you are an inspiration to me and a great teacher.Don't expect fully top level gameplay unless I am all the way better, but I do think it will be fun no matter what =)