.::Captain Douglas Falcon::.

[The Star King]

O rly? I haven't really tried it on heavies but I assumed it didn't work.

And how do you die most of the time, you must be doing it wrong or something

 

[ciaza]

most of the time you have to wait til the very end of the hitstun of each attack to hit your next move which generally means by the time you hit the uair you're too far down to get back with upb

also a lot of the time you have to fastfall>jump to hit the second bair which doesn't help

that or i only do it at the very edge of the stage or something

 

[The Star King]

IDK dude I always fastfall after the first bair for a bit and still survive

And I don't get why you need to wait for the end of the hitstun

I'll try it out later though

 

[ciaza]

maybe i'm doing it wrong

oh well

good luck

 

[ballin4life]

fthrow-pawnch works, generally like 60-80%ish on falcon/link/fox/yoshi

you have to stick hop

huh? you can definitely do it without stick hop

also on falcon/yoshi/maybe link it works down to like 45%.

Nope pete

Nope ballin, the only thing cool is pivot -> one or two bairs -> tipper uair

non-reverse bair? lame.

Doesn't work on fastfallers though so I guess landing uair -> reverse fair -> dair or something

based on this i think it will work on fast fallers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM12jlqd-xk&t=0m34s

Spoiler

lol that i look up something from a video instead of trying it on my n64 that's 4 feet away right now

 

[The Star King]

Never mind reading comprehension fail

 

[SSBPete]

fthrow-pawnch works, generally like 60-80%ish on falcon/link/fox/yoshi

you have to stick hop

no you dont.

 

[Battlecow]

Nope ballin, the only thing cool is pivot -> one or two bairs -> tipper uair

The battlecow is the only cool thing.

Good to know.

 

[The Star King]

Yeah Battlecow, gotta grudgingly admit that you actually contributed something cool to my knowledge of Falcon.

Be honest. Did you come up with that or did you learn it from someone else?

 

[Battlecow]

Born and bred in the mind of the cow. Better best 100%

I am the only cool thing in smash 64.

Funny thing is that I still miss my own combo half the time when I'm going to the right.

 

[The Star King]

If you are telling the truth, then that is pretty impressive. I didn't even know it was physically possible for you to come up with something like that

Why not try being cool in Vs Mode for a change?

 

[thegreginator]

I think calling a reverse upair a tipper is pretty misleading. A tipped upair is one where the upair barely hits them with the very top of the hitbox (when it's at 12:00ish) and the character flies forward a lot more than a normal upair.

Also, fthrow doesn't need a stick jump and works as low as the 40-50% range on some characters.

Does anyone feel like dair is overused for tech chasing? I feel like its pretty easy to see coming, even though a lot of good players use it.

 

[ballin4life]

yeah i see what you mean on dair, but it's high risk high reward

 

[Battlecow]

What would you use instead dude? Out of curiosity.

 

[ballin4life]

falcon kick is a fun tech chase

 

[Battlecow]

"dair is pretty easy to see coming"

"Use falcon kick"

na tho IKWYM, I use da firefoot as a tech chase way more frequently than is good for me

 

[SSBPete]

I think calling a reverse upair a tipper is pretty misleading. A tipped upair is one where the upair barely hits them with the very top of the hitbox (when it's at 12:00ish) and the character flies forward a lot more than a normal upair.

i call a 'reverse uair' tipped but i call a '12 oclock uair' reverse tipped.

 

[thegreginator]

What would you use instead dude? Out of curiosity.

Upsmash or throw. Or upB if you're really pro

 

[The Star King]

Dair is just a good techchasing move. I don't see the problem.

I think dair is better than all three of those most of the time, greg.

 

[Battlecow]

Techchasing with up-B is mad fun.

****ING MAGNETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

But yeah, honestly I don't see any of those being of more than situational use.

 

[King Omega]

You can always techchase with lolpivtotjabs.

 

[thegreginator]

Dair is just a good techchasing move. I don't see the problem.

I think dair is better than all three of those most of the time, greg.

Maybe I just need to incorporate that into my game more.

On a separate note, I'm a big fan of upair to Falcon punch. It can be used on pretty much any upair chain if you time it right. Relatively easy to do, can be used on a good amount of characters, and still looks sweet. Underused?

 

[ballin4life]

underused is uair double jump falcon punch

 

[SSBPete]

not in the aussie server. every second falcon combo ends with falcon punch

well actually 4000 taunt cancles

 

[asianaussie]

don't bother telling americans that

they're too busy picking hyrule and not moving

 

[The Star King]

Nobody actually does that, aa, Battlecow is just scurred of the possibility for some bizarre reason. Shut up.

 

[asianaussie]

if you didn't see that was a snarky, satirical joke, then ive lost all faith in you as my american doppelganger

battlecow = typical american or something

 

[Battlecow]

I'm ahead of the times is all.

I predict more support after the 30-minute-a-match Apex GF's and Tacna tourney finals

or else everyone just dismisses 64 as a **** game because they only see hyrule matches

But WHATEVER Doug bro he's pretty cool.

Also I seriously think a day will come when a good player with crazy twitch-hands and a hori starts winning everything by DI'ing out of literally every combo (Uair chains no longer work on Miyagi, lol)

 

[The Star King]

if you didn't see that was a snarky, satirical joke, then ive lost all faith in you as my american doppelganger

battlecow = typical american or something

I knew it was but I don't want people seriously thinking that >=[

 

[Battlecow]

Dude, AA, not understanding sarcasm is like your calling card, broskizzle. SK is totally your doppelganger.

 

[asianaussie]

im not sure if your post itself is sarcastic

but your volatile posting style is absolute ******** at expressing sarcasm, so not my fault lol

 

[Battlecow]

im not sure if your post itself is sarcastic

but your volatile posting style is absolute ******** at expressing sarcasm, so not my fault lol

U mad bro?

Na but seriously, it's like your thing, don't try to deny it now.

 

[The Star King]

Petition to ban Battlecow from saying "U mad"

 

[Battlecow]

U mad, bro?

 

[The Star King]

I know I always say you're predictable, but that's just reaching a whole new level of absurdity. Try being interesting.

And yes, I am visibly agitated.

 

[ballin4life]

I know I always say you're predictable, but that's just reaching a whole new level of absurdity. Try being interesting.

u mad?

And yes, I am visibly agitated.

oh ok.

 

[Battlecow]

Ease up on SK

He's still trying to cope with the loss of his $55

 

[asianaussie]

i wonder when battlecow transitioned frmo being a total noob to being a cocky kid who is probably still only average at this game

this is the skill level i envision him having, idk, someone back me up on this

 

[ballin4life]

maybe, but battlecow gave us the epic hyrule counter to kirby

 

[The Star King]

......yeah