Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[SimonBarSinister]

There's a new article up on Source Gaming where Sakurai answers some Brawl questions.

The first question is why Wolf was chosen for Brawl and not Krystal.

Basically Wolf was chosen because of his popularity and because he was easy to make.

I recommend reading the whole article since it is a very interesting read.

Seems like Wolf got extremely lucky, along side the other two. I guess he wasn't as lucky this time, but there's still DLC at least, with him being one of the most wanted. Well, I hope he still is anyway.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

He's clearly aware of Wolf's popularity and I don't think he's stupid enough to completely ignore that, he's just waiting for the right time. I still believe Wolf is pretty much guaranteed, and that's not even me being overly optimistic, I find it to be EXTREMELY likely.

 

[CannonStreak]

He's clearly aware of Wolf's popularity and I don't think he's stupid enough to completely ignore that, he's just waiting for the right time. I still believe Wolf is pretty much guaranteed, and that's not even me being overly optimistic, I find it to be EXTREMELY likely.

I don't know why, but for some really strange reason, I actually agree with you. I think that may be the case.

 

[Logo12]

Not Spika. Its Pika. Get it. Pokemans and then Pika. Like Pikachu. I'm in Dreamland *flies away on a star*

edit - @ Tino Puns are good for the soul. They are the essence of living. And fun to make!

Spikachu?

Jeez, I don't really know how to take this. On one note, we can confirm that Sakurai acknowledges both Wolf AND Krystal's fans, and that Krystal didn't make it in because of the large amount of work and the time constraints. It also stings that Wolf was one of the three last characters to make it in, because that just reflects on his priority with SSB4. I'm still hoping we get a Star Fox DLC Bundle with Wolf and Krystal, and with acknowledgement at the least (even though it was after Brawl), it seems a bit more realistic. Wait until Star Fox Zero's release and get them both, seeing as they'd have quite a good bit of time to make them.

On a side note, I decided to pick up and play a little bit of Brawl whilst dog-sitting some newborns. Ten hours of playing later, I realized just how badass Wolf was, and just how much I really want him back. Sakurai pls.

The thing that bugs me is, Toon Link got in, Wolf didn't.

So it was all thanks to Wolf's POPULARITY that he got into Brawl. Wolf is currently one of, if not the most popular characters requested for DLC.

Not sure if saying Wolf is popular implying Krystal isn't, but as always, Wolf has got some advantage.

(Did he just compare Krystal with Waddle Dee, Dry Bones and Baby Peach tho? Lol)

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Spikachu?

Don't even.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

At this point, I'm just waiting for Wolf's full reveal for Star Fox Zero once that's out of the way Wolf will be revealed for Smash Bros DLC.

 

[Esknier]

Spikachu?


The thing that bugs me is, Toon Link got in, Wolf didn't.

(Did he just compare Krystal with Waddle Dee, Dry Bones and Baby Peach tho? Lol)

It is frustrating, I understand. To be fair though, many do like Toon Link, but I think between Wolf and Toon Link, more people would prefer Wolf. And we all know there are some people that would argue that Dry Bones, Baby Peach, and Waddle Dee are more deserving inclusions to the Smash Bros roster than dear Krystal is. I am not one of them, but they exist.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Spikachu?


The thing that bugs me is, Toon Link got in, Wolf didn't.


Not sure if saying Wolf is popular implying Krystal isn't, but as always, Wolf has got some advantage.

(Did he just compare Krystal with Waddle Dee, Dry Bones and Baby Peach tho? Lol)

To be fair, toon link is more cloney and was more relevant. I'd rather have Wolf obviously but it makes sense

 

[Tino]

Not Spika. Its Pika. Get it. Pokemans and then Pika. Like Pikachu. I'm in Dreamland *flies away on a star*

edit - @ Tino Puns are good for the soul. They are the essence of living. And fun to make!

Does it make me feel any younger?

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Does it make me feel any younger?

Maybe.

 

[Tino]

Maybe.

Then I don't believe it. Sorry.

 

[Powerman293]

Was there ever a reason explained why Wolf wasn't put into Smash 4? I presume development time, but then I wonder about if they could have used the time they were making clones at the end to instead at least get started on Wolf.

 

[Aqua Admin Shelly]

Was there ever a reason explained why Wolf wasn't put into Smash 4? I presume development time, but then I wonder about if they could have used the time they were making clones at the end to instead at least get started on Wolf.

They did get started on Wolf, some of his moves were recycled.

 

[Powerman293]

They did get started on Wolf, some of his moves were recycled.

Falco's B-air?

 

[Aqua Admin Shelly]

Falco's B-air?

Wolf Flash, too.

 

[Logo12]

Falco's B-air?

Wolf flash.

Edit: Greninja'd

Tho I think that's pretty much it.

 

[Powerman293]

Wolf flash.

Where? As a Fox or Falco custom?

 

[Logo12]

Where? As a Fox or Falco custom?

Fox Side B 3.

I suppose the other customs are out of style for Fox so they are not used at all or at most referenced. (Fox Up B 3)

 

[Aqua Admin Shelly]

Where? As a Fox or Falco custom?

Fox custom. They didn't even bother changing the name.

 

[Powerman293]

Fox custom. They didn't even bother changing the name.

Lol. Shows how much I know. I swear I learn something new about smash every day.I didn't even know that because I haven't unlocked all of the customs yet.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Wolf Flash, too.

Upon closer inspection, it seems more like Fox's take on Wolf Flash, the translation team is the one that (once again Cough Wolf Shoot Cough) messed it up, in the Japanese version its called Fox flash which is more fitting, it has the same sound as Fox illusion and is clear, unlike Wolf's purple Wolf Flash.

 

[Logo12]

Upon closer inspection, it seems more like Fox's take on Wolf Flash, the translation team is the one that (once again Cough Wolf Shoot Cough) messed it up, in the Japanese version its called Fox flash which is more fitting, it has the same sound as Fox illusion and is clear, unlike Wolf's purple Wolf Flash.

If I recall correctly, Japanese version still calls it Wolf Flash, actually.

The only difference in translation is Up B, which is Jet Pack and Mega Drill instead of Flying(?) Fox and Twisting Fox respectively.

Still, the "Fox's take on Wolf Flash" could be true.

 

[Esknier]

Lol. Shows how much I know. I swear I learn something new about smash every day.I didn't even know that because I haven't unlocked all of the customs yet.

Wish it was easier to unlock customs...

Another possibility we should think about is if Wolf will outright get a new set of Specials and Final Smash, considering Fox takes most of Wolf's Special moveset, and there were numerous complaints about Fox, Falco and Wolf all having the same final smashes. I would actually approve of changes to his specials so long as they left his normals untouched.

 

[Logo12]

Another possibility we should think about is if Wolf will outright get a new set of Specials and Final Smash, considering Fox takes most of Wolf's Special moveset, and there were numerous complaints about Fox, Falco and Wolf all having the same final smashes. I would actually approve of changes to his specials so long as they left his normals untouched.

There's only one move from Wolf used for Fox's Custom Special...
I wouldn't mind too much about the Final Smash, but I don't really want to change Wolf's specials... Unless they buff recovery, that is.

 

[Reila]

It would be interesting if Wolf could have his Wolfen as his final smash in Smash 4. I mean, even Zamus uses her Gunship and the Star Fox characters are still refusing to use the Airwings. Two boring landmasters are enough, huh?

 

[ProjectAngel]

Another possibility we should think about is if Wolf will outright get a new set of Specials and Final Smash, considering Fox takes most of Wolf's Special moveset, and there were numerous complaints about Fox, Falco and Wolf all having the same final smashes. I would actually approve of changes to his specials so long as they left his normals untouched.

Not likely. Ness has Lucas's specials as his customs.

 

[PurpleSoda]

Not likely. Ness has Lucas's specials as his customs.

His B and Down B are the only ones copied from Lucas

Wish it was easier to unlock customs...

5.00$ per custom DLC
Wolf included
Saffron City included
New Ganondorf costume based on SS3 GokuHyrule Warriors

 

[Krysco]

Ness has a custom for each special that behaves like one of Lucas'. Neutral has PK Freeze, side has a PK fire that does a single hit much like Lucas' although it still angles down and I don't believe it has the wave of fire Lucas' does, up has a PK Thunder that goes through enemies, doing numerous hits much like Lucas', not sure if it covers more distance or if it's slower/has different turning like Lucas' and down has a PSI Magnet with a hitbox that appears in front of Ness rather than around him.

As for Wolf, I can't see him getting different specials and I'd honestly rather if he keeps his specials untouched or largely untouched.

 

[Tino]

Damn, this thread has been quiet for over 12 hours now. Has everyone here gone back to school or something? If that's the case, then that's understandable.

 

[Logo12]

Damn, this thread has been quiet for over 12 hours now. Has everyone here gone back to school or something? If that's the case, then that's understandable.

Nope, I'm constantly checking this thread for topics.

 

[Tino]

Nope, I'm constantly checking this thread for topics.

You and me both.

 

[PurpleSoda]

Damn, this thread has been quiet for over 12 hours now. Has everyone here gone back to school or something? If that's the case, then that's understandable.

1.)Did not want to double post
2.)Was playing Smash 64

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Damn, this thread has been quiet for over 12 hours now. Has everyone here gone back to school or something? If that's the case, then that's understandable.

I think that's because there's really nothing to discuss, and off-topic discussions are not allowed...

 

[Esknier]

Damn, this thread has been quiet for over 12 hours now. Has everyone here gone back to school or something? If that's the case, then that's understandable.

Was on a roadtrip, my apologies

 

[PurpleSoda]

I think that's because there's really nothing to discuss, and off-topic discussions are not allowed...

Why not his(eventual)reveal trailer

Fox and Krystal are fighting a shadowy figure shaped like an animal

Fox and Krystal get blown to the ground

Krystal gets up

"Krystal joins the staff"(Couldn't think of anything)

BUT WAIT,THERE'S MORE
The shadowy figure steps into view,revealing his identity in the progress

"Wolf just acts"(Lacking imagination here)

Trailer starts:
Wolf,Krystal,and Fox fight the cast on Orbital Gate Assault,Lylat Cruise,and a new DLC stage:Titania(or maybe Sector Z)

Screen goes black(November 13th,2015)

They also reveal Isaac cuz Wynaut?

 

[Esknier]

There's only one move from Wolf used for Fox's Custom Special...
I wouldn't mind too much about the Final Smash, but I don't really want to change Wolf's specials... Unless they buff recovery, that is.

Three actually that I've unlocked are reminiscent of Wolf's special moveset. Neutral Custom 3 "Charge Blast" is similar to Wolf's blaster (although it has more start up frames, higher damage, and higher knock back ) Fox's "Wolf Flash" custom is well, somewhat obviously similar to Wolf's version, and Fox's Up Custom "Twisting Fox" is very similar to Wolf's up special. Granted, none of these moves are identical to Wolf's, and given the treatment of Lucas and Roy, it seems unlikely that they will change these specials. (Just out of curiosity, I know Wolf had a reflector as his down special, but I don't know what was different about it compared to Fox's or Falco's. Could someone explain?)

 

[PurpleSoda]

(Just out of curiosity, I know Wolf had a reflector as his down special, but I don't know what was different about it compared to Fox's or Falco's. Could someone explain?)

1.)Was better and maybe sent them faster
2.)Magenta,instead of light blue

 

[Logo12]

Three actually that I've unlocked are reminiscent of Wolf's special moveset. Neutral Custom 3 "Charge Blast" is similar to Wolf's blaster (although it has more start up frames, higher damage, and higher knock back ) Fox's "Wolf Flash" custom is well, somewhat obviously similar to Wolf's version, and Fox's Up Custom "Twisting Fox" is very similar to Wolf's up special. Granted, none of these moves are identical to Wolf's, and given the treatment of Lucas and Roy, it seems unlikely that they will change these specials. (Just out of curiosity, I know Wolf had a reflector as his down special, but I don't know what was different about it compared to Fox's or Falco's. Could someone explain?)

Charge Blaster is (fundamentally) different from Wolf's Neutral B. Aside from the Accumulative damage (Fox 11 vs 9 Wolf) and projectile speed, its:

• Hitbox
  Fox: Only the Charged Blaster Shot
  Wolf: Claw on Blaster + Shot
• Startup
  Fox: ~1 second
  Wolf: 11 frames
• Knockback
  Fox: 45deg high knockback growth (KO at 201%)
  Wolf: Claw 20deg 70 knockback, Shot 40deg low knockback growth (Cannot KO)
  
• Fundamental Function
  Fox: Charge a more powerful Blaster Shot
  Wolf: Stun opponents with Blaster Claw, and hit with Regular Blaster Shot

Are completely different. Same for Twisting Fox (to a lesser extent), while damage (Fox 13 vs 11 Wolf) are similar, its:

• Hitbox
  Fox: Startup multihits, Travel multihits, Ending hit
  Wolf: Travel multihits, Ending hit
• Startup
  Fox: 43 frames
  Wolf: 23 frames
• Duration
  Fox: 33 frames (Slower than Fire Fox)
  Wolf: 20 frames (Faster than Fire Fox)
• Distance
  Fox: (Shorter than Fire Fox, Big ledge sweetspot)
  Wolf: (Around same as Fire Fox, Small ledge sweetspot)
• Knockback
  Fox:
  
  Startup 366(Autolink 2)deg 28 knockback, low knockback growth
  Intermediate 90/90/366/366deg 60 knockback, medium knockback growth
  End 55deg 60 knockback, VERY HIGH (270) knockback growth​
  Wolf:
  
  Intermediate 45/45/365(Autolink 1)/361(Sakurai Angle)deg 0 base knockback, medium knockback growth
  End 65/361deg 60 knockback, high (130) knockback growth​
• Fundamental Function
  Fox: Spin to drag opponents in, then pushes opponent by twisting, ending with a big hit
  Wolf: Powered by the device on back (?), slightly drags opponent by thrusting forward with leg, ending with a kick

While Twisting Fox may be a reminiscent of Wolf Shoot, it's function still differs a lot. I've mentioned this earlier, but that it may be possible since Wolf's specials are modified to fit more of his personality, which doesn't quite fit Fox, so they are either changed visually (Wolf Flash), derived into another move (Wolf Shoot), or not used at all (Claw Blaster, Wolf's Reflector).

For the reflector difference, firstly, there are apparently visual differences:

It reflects projectiles with a faster speed but not as high damage. It gives Wolf ~4 frames of invincibility, hits at frame 8-9 (Fox 6 before 1.1.0 and 6-7 after 1.1.0), and reflects at 10. Or in other words, can be used as a slight counter. Think a very brief Focus Attack.

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

I have a question for you guys.
Why do you support Wolf?
At first, I didn't care that much Wolf, I thought as him as some clone, and his popularity was fuel by band wagoners.
But, then I played Brawl, for my first time in months. When I was choosing a character I saw Wolf, I chose him because why not?
After playing him for a few matches, and using his amazing taunts. I fell in love with the character (No homo). To be honest Smash really needs more villains, we got a lot of females characters this time around, so why can't we have more villains?

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I have a question for you guys.
Why do you support Wolf?
At first, I didn't care that much Wolf, I thought as him as some clone, and his popularity was fuel by band wagoners.
But, then I played Brawl, for my first time in months. When I was choosing a character I saw Wolf, I chose him because why not?
After playing him for a few matches, and using his amazing taunts. I fell in love with the character (No homo). To be honest Smash really needs more villains, we got a lot of females characters this time around, so why can't we have more villains?

Wolf was a unique character in Brawl with no reason to be cut.