Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

[Fletch]

ACR w/ Red Dot Sight
Model 1887 w/ Akimbo

Stuns and Semtex

Sleight of Hand
Stopping Power
Steady Aim

So, I decided to get the class I last used before I left for Ireland rated. It did really well in the three or four games I used it in, and I actually really like Akimbo Models now. I don't use it like most other people do and just fire both at once, because that's just wasting the point of Akimbo. I guess that in either case it's quite inferior to the Striker or SPAS, now...

Do you really want me to rate this? So many problems I really don't know where to start... but I'll give my opinions if you want.

Favorite type of secondary weapon? (Total votes: 5055)
Launchers - 341 votes (6.75%) Fans' Least Favorite
Shotguns - 1867 votes (39.63%) Runner-Up
Handguns - 2061 votes (40.77%) Poll Winner
Machine Pistols - 786 votes (15.55%)

Poll on the COD Wiki. Glad Pistols won, but...it was close...with those stupid Shotguns.

Pistols are an awful secondary. It should be MPs/Shotguns>Launchers>Handguns. There's really not much reason to ever use the pistols, and I know the first person is going to respond to me with switch time, to which I say just use the Rafficas or G18s.

 

[Fuelbi]

Is that even possible??? I suppose if they were all VERY weak and on the verge of dying then yeah.

Yeah, they were all on the verge of dying. I shot them all a couple of times when I died and I was simply lucky enough to respawn literally right next to the building where I was killed, so I just threw a stun thinking that they must've healed by now and I got the triple kill XD

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

I don't care if Pistols are awful secondaries, I'll use them because they're not overpowered. I'm not gonna ***** a Spas on my Sniper, when I can whip out my Magnums in a matter of seconds. And I don't give a **** if Raffica's are just as fast, I like pistols more.

 

[Fuelbi]

Tbh, the only reason why I'd ever use a pistol is just to use it for a Tac Knife, but besides that, no.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

Tac knifes aren't even good.

Learn to Melee Cancel.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

I'd rather use shotguns as secondaries, but machine pistols and pistols have their advantages. I personally just hate spraying people with akimbo M9s and not getting the kill, whereas with an AA12 I know I'm going to kill them.

 

[Gifts]

I'd rather use shotguns as secondaries, but machine pistols and pistols have their advantages. I personally just hate spraying people with akimbo M9s and not getting the kill, whereas with an AA12 I know I'm going to kill them.

My akimbo M9's easily our range your AA12... by far. >.>

 

[:mad:]

Oh, and I got a triple kill with a stun in Subbase XD

The triple kill with one burst of the FAMAS sounded plausible, but this made you lose all credibility. That ain't Danger Close.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

The triple kill with one burst of the FAMAS sounded plausible, but this made you lose all credibility. That ain't Danger Close.

This.
This.
This.

Lying son of a

Shaw.

Quit lying, you liar.

@Gifts: I agree.

 

[O D I N]

The triple kill with one burst of the FAMAS sounded plausible, but this made you lose all credibility. That ain't Danger Close.

Quoting because of the awesome Home Improvement reference. Well done.

Triple Stun kill?

They'd have to be severely injured. I mean, possible, sure. Plausible? :-/

I think and Icy are gonna have to go Mythbusters on this.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

Quoting because of the awesome Home Improvement reference. Well done.

Triple Stun kill?

They'd have to be severely injured. I mean, possible, sure. Plausible? :-/

I think and Icy are gonna have to go Mythbusters on this.

Mythbusters? Yeah, seriously, that's nothing close to possible.

So, since it's impossible...

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Do you really want me to rate this? So many problems I really don't know where to start... but I'll give my opinions if you want.

If you're going to turn this into a rant about how infinitely inferior shotguns are to Akimbo G18s are or whatever then I'm not interested. This class is pretty much here because I wanted to try them out for once, so they're here to stay. For the record, my old Assault class I replaced it with had a TAR-21 and Akimbo Rafficas, so I'm not ignorant.

 

[F8AL]

@ : For a moment there, I thought that image was directed towards me. xD

 

[Cyan_]

ACR w/ Red Dot Sight
Model 1887 w/ Akimbo

Stuns and Semtex

Sleight of Hand
Stopping Power
Steady Aim

So, I decided to get the class I last used before I left for Ireland rated. It did really well in the three or four games I used it in, and I actually really like Akimbo Models now. I don't use it like most other people do and just fire both at once, because that's just wasting the point of Akimbo. I guess that in either case it's quite inferior to the Striker or SPAS, now...

Personally, I would run Ninja instead of Steady Aim (silent footsteps > a bit better hip firing). Also, I would put a silencer or FMJ instead of red dot sight only because I think ACR's iron sight is fine and I feel it's a waste to put a sight on it.

You said you wanted to keep the Models, so I won't say anything about that.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Personally, I would run Ninja instead of Steady Aim (silent footsteps > a bit better hip firing). Also, I would put a silencer or FMJ instead of red dot sight only because I think ACR's iron sight is fine and I feel it's a waste to put a sight on it.

You said you wanted to keep the Models, so I won't say anything about that.

I wouldn't mind the silent footsteps either, but the reticules for Akimbo Models are so large I find it much too hard to kill anything with one shot without it because they spread so wide. And I find I actually instinctively crouch a lot of the time to get a smaller reticule when I'm using them, so passive silence isn't too great a bonus. Doesn't benefit the ACR much, of course, but then, you can't hear somebody across the map anyway.

I'll try... something out with the sight. I don't like the irons myself (one of the worse ones IMO), but I can tolerate them.

 

[:mad:]

We're playing Mike Myers now if anyone wants an invite.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

Got a standing ninja defuse on a guy in Invasion. He ate dookie.

 

[Fletch]

If you're going to turn this into a rant about how infinitely inferior shotguns are to Akimbo G18s are or whatever then I'm not interested. This class is pretty much here because I wanted to try them out for once, so they're here to stay. For the record, my old Assault class I replaced it with had a TAR-21 and Akimbo Rafficas, so I'm not ignorant.

You said you wanted your class rated, and then said you know you're using an inferior setup. And for the record, I'd say in most instances shotguns are better secondaries than the G18s.

And you stole that picture from me!

 

[RuNNing Riot]

You said you wanted your class rated, and then said you know you're using an inferior setup. And for the record, I'd say in most instances shotguns are better secondaries than the G18s.

Tell you what, then. Ignore what I said and suggest to me a usable class built around the Akimbo Models. Perhaps I worded my request rather wrongly... I apologise.

Also, what? What happened to those things you said about never using shotguns because you always had Akimbo G18s that did way better?

 

[Fuelbi]

If you had read my post in my reasoning in why I got the triple kill then you'd know that it makes perfect sense.

What? Just because I'm not ninth prestige like all of you I'm not allowed to have a **** lucky kill that I won't probably be able to replicate ins couple of prestiges.

 

[F8AL]

If you had read my post in my reasoning in why I got the triple kill then you'd know that it makes perfect sense.

What? Just because I'm not ninth prestige like all of you I'm not allowed to have a **** lucky kill that I won't probably be able to replicate ins couple of prestiges.

Dude, calm down. Why do you care so much about us believing you? Was the point of posting that reply to impress us? Why do you care that some people don't believe you?

And I'm not ninth prestige, I'm first.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Wow, I went to machinima respawn like I normally do to watch some gameplay/commentary. So, I see a video by Dtreats and I'm like this should be good. Well, turns out he was high during the commentary and then just basically inflates his ego by talking about how pro he is at a ****ing video game. Why do people think that games make them good at life? All respect lost, and I hope he gets the boot from machinima, because that's pathetic.

Anyways, I have some good news, at least from the way I see it. The guide I was making got partially deleted for some odd reason. I went to work on it, and part of it was just gone, and it was a decent sized chunk. I'm not going to be making the guide anymore for a few reasons, unfortunately.

I have a cap card now, and it's honestly too hard to explain some things through words. I'm going to be doing gameplays with commentary that are going to be 100 times more helpful than just reading about this stuff. People need to see it in action, not just read about it, and I feel like it's just overall more convenient. I hope you guys are understanding about that. Also, my videos should be up soon. I'm just getting gameplays, so hopefully you'll watch them and gain some really helpful tips and tricks.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

Wow, I went to machinima respawn like I normally do to watch some gameplay/commentary. So, I see a video by Dtreats and I'm like this should be good. Well, turns out he was high during the commentary and then just basically inflates his ego by talking about how pro he is at a ****ing video game. Why do people think that games make them good at life? All respect lost, and I hope he gets the boot from machinima, because that's pathetic.

Anyways, I have some good news, at least from the way I see it. The guide I was making got partially deleted for some odd reason. I went to work on it, and part of it was just gone, and it was a decent sized chunk. I'm not going to be making the guide anymore for a few reasons, unfortunately.

I have a cap card now, and it's honestly too hard to explain some things through words. I'm going to be doing gameplays with commentary that are going to be 100 times more helpful than just reading about this stuff. People need to see it in action, not just read about it, and I feel like it's just overall more convenient. I hope you guys are understanding about that. Also, my videos should be up soon. I'm just getting gameplays, so hopefully you'll watch them and gain some really helpful tips and tricks.

Good, TipTup Turtle will show us the way.

Had a stellar match on Wasteland of Search, 12-0 and I accidently got my EAD! Mwahahaha

 

[:mad:]

You said you wanted your class rated, and then said you know you're using an inferior setup. And for the record, I'd say in most instances shotguns are better secondaries than the G18s.

And you stole that picture from me!

Actually, I used a different version of that picture.

If you had read my post in my reasoning in why I got the triple kill then you'd know that it makes perfect sense.

What? Just because I'm not ninth prestige like all of you I'm not allowed to have a **** lucky kill that I won't probably be able to replicate ins couple of prestiges.

Prestige means absolutely nothing. I'm saying that this wasn't possible because of just how unlikely it is. The chances of you damaging three people, being able to spawn next to them and get a kill with something as weak as a stun grenade is so unlikely, I'd believe the FAMAS sooner than this. There's recorded gameplay of stuns getting doubles but I've yet to see a legitimate stun grenade triple. I'm just being naturally skeptical of such a large play. It's like me saying that I got a no scope triple. Is it possible? Yes. Are there numerous factors that would prevent me from doing so? Painkiller, Last Stand, and most importantly, my teammates stealing the kill. I think the estrogen is getting to you because you get defensive over the smallest thing.

 

[F8AL]

Wow, I went to machinima respawn like I normally do to watch some gameplay/commentary. So, I see a video by Dtreats and I'm like this should be good. Well, turns out he was high during the commentary and then just basically inflates his ego by talking about how pro he is at a ****ing video game. Why do people think that games make them good at life? All respect lost, and I hope he gets the boot from machinima, because that's pathetic.

Anyways, I have some good news, at least from the way I see it. The guide I was making got partially deleted for some odd reason. I went to work on it, and part of it was just gone, and it was a decent sized chunk. I'm not going to be making the guide anymore for a few reasons, unfortunately.

I have a cap card now, and it's honestly too hard to explain some things through words. I'm going to be doing gameplays with commentary that are going to be 100 times more helpful than just reading about this stuff. People need to see it in action, not just read about it, and I feel like it's just overall more convenient. I hope you guys are understanding about that. Also, my videos should be up soon. I'm just getting gameplays, so hopefully you'll watch them and gain some really helpful tips and tricks.

Machinima allows anything on their channels. They have no quality control whatsoever.

 

[Fletch]

Tell you what, then. Ignore what I said and suggest to me a usable class built around the Akimbo Models. Perhaps I worded my request rather wrongly... I apologise.

Also, what? What happened to those things you said about never using shotguns because you always had Akimbo G18s that did way better?

I just love the G18s; they're fun! I know I'd probably be better off with either the SPAS or Rafficas as a secondary, but I've become accustom to using the G18s.

Well here's the main problem I see with your class. If you're going to base a class around using shotguns, you NEED Ninja Pro. You are going to be crushed by any decent players that listen for footsteps. Steady Aim... isn't really that great for shotguns, and it's even more pointless when you have akimbo ones when you can just fire off another shot for the times it would have given you a OSK. I do like using Stopping Power on them, it can make them somewhat useful, just know you're using very poor weapons. When using guns that aren't used very often, you should also really go with Scav over Sleight of Hand, but given that you're using a shotgun class, you should consider Marathon as well. To balance the class out, obviously you should have a long range rifle, and since you have SP on the class, the FAMAS is the obvious choice. The rest of your class is then fine.

 

[:mad:]

Machinima allows anything on their channels. They have no quality control whatsoever.

This is incorrect. They only hire high quality commentators, though the videos can be bad because they'll upload anything the player gives them.

 

[Chaco]

Roach it's feasibly impossible with health regen, I've been killed with a stun ONCE. I don't use final or last stand so you see how rare this is. I was using a riot shield, got severely damaged and then the bang killed me as I was backing up.

Fletch, whats the math on regen versus stun damage, if you know it.

Also had fun with you guys yesterday despite being silent, lol. I was trying the most ******** **** on Alex always.

 

[:mad:]

Chaco camped in a corner with a masterkey, that ******.

Best kill of my life. I had this theory after watching Player-1, that the Javelin is most effective inside of a building. The long hallway by the bombside is a common chokepoint, so I locked on to the floor, waited, someone walked out, launched it, got first blood and it was soooooo funny. I'm doing this all the time.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Well, I'm finally starting to like the Tar.

The extra clip size is all that I really like about it, but the recoil is pretty manageable. I actually prefer using the Tar/Scar over the UMP, which I see as a good thing.

By the way, the silenced raffica is the best secondary everrr. Pulls out fast, ADS is fast, and it's just as good as the M16 which makes it more convenient than a shotgun in a lot of cases. It's like two primaries.

 

[Chaco]

I actually spent the majority of the time that it took you to get to my spawn jumping to that spot, but yes, I camped with a masterkey.

LOL. I've accdidentally done that while laying with a jav before. It scraped the ground and destroyed me and the guy trying to knife me. Never though of doing it on purpose though, blast shield perhaps could save you it if was far enough away. Like a really high ceiling place.

 

[:mad:]

The map was Vacant, so the low ceiling along with Danger Close means it will kill down the entire hallway. It was hilarious.

 

[Chaco]

For some reason when I think hallway I always think Skidrow.

 

[Fuelbi]

Prestige means absolutely nothing. I'm saying that this wasn't possible because of just how unlikely it is. The chances of you damaging three people, being able to spawn next to them and get a kill with something as weak as a stun grenade is so unlikely, I'd believe the FAMAS sooner than this. There's recorded gameplay of stuns getting doubles but I've yet to see a legitimate stun grenade triple. I'm just being naturally skeptical of such a large play. It's like me saying that I got a no scope triple. Is it possible? Yes. Are there numerous factors that would prevent me from doing so? Painkiller, Last Stand, and most importantly, my teammates stealing the kill. I think the estrogen is getting to you because you get defensive over the smallest thing.

Well, it just hurts that I get people telling me all my credibility was just lost because I make a claim that I got a triple kill with a stun...

 

[:mad:]

Well, it just hurts that I get people telling me all my credibility was just lost because I make a claim that I got a triple kill with a stun...

Well can you blame me for being skeptical? Triple grenades are rare, let alone triple STUNS.

 

[Chaco]

I don't even think it's mathematically possible, without the luckiest spawn and someone else keeping them at extremely low health.

 

[Fuelbi]

I can't believe we're actually trying to mathematically prove this.

I just got a really lucky *** spawn where I literally respawned right outside the building where I died and they hadn't recovered yet apparently. I didn't throw the stun to try to kill them, I just threw it to make sure they wouldn't get away, and apparently I got a triple kill off of it.

 

[Chaco]

It's a fluke, and I wanna see if it could be reproduced. Loll.

 

[Fuelbi]

It's a fluke, and I wanna see if it could be reproduced. Loll.

Well, it was a fluke then.

It's not like I actually went out and tried to get a triple stun kill in a public match :/

 

[Fletch]

Roach it's feasibly impossible with health regen, I've been killed with a stun ONCE. I don't use final or last stand so you see how rare this is. I was using a riot shield, got severely damaged and then the bang killed me as I was backing up.

Fletch, whats the math on regen versus stun damage, if you know it.

Also had fun with you guys yesterday despite being silent, lol. I was trying the most ******** **** on Alex always.

Stuns do one damage, and health always fully regenerates after 5 seconds. Given the damage numbers on guns, it's pretty much impossible to get a triple kill with a stun unless they were all in last stand or you had the luckiest explosive damage ever.