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I have a few questions about falcon. I've been playing a lot of falcon recently, and I need new ways to get back onto the stage from the ledge. I've been watching a lot of hax, and I love his hax dashing and double jump refreshes. are there any tips for the timing of hax dashing to maintain invincibility? I feel like when I do it, I just get hit out of it. Also, are there any good ways to practice instant u-airs?
bertbusdriver
Smash Ace
hax dash timing is as soon as you're able to move off the ledge. maybe practice using a character with tighter ledgedash windows first like ganon.
instant short hop uair can hit a standing fox iirc. start trying to hit a taller character like marth or ganon with your instant uair while they're standing, then work your way down to fox.
Is the hax dash totally invincible or is there a window to get hit (assuming it is done perfectly)?
If you are not invulnerable throughout the whole thing, then you have to use it at the right time. You have to make it look like you've decided to try to edge-hop into an invincible attack so that they move back to punish you, and then you just fade away back to the edge and can potentially make it back on. Mix it up with regular edge stall tactics (let go of the edge and jump back to it).
On a side note, is your username a reference to Mount & Blade: Warband?
Thanks for the help. Sorry, but my name isn't a reference to that. Its just a name that I used to use when I played ganondorf, but I just started using it permanently.
CommonerCoffee
Smash Rookie
Does anyone know if there's a small guide out there on what to do off a grab in certain percents?
Mainly interested in what Falcon can do to Marth and Sheik off a grab.
I'm pretty sure there are some guaranteed setups but I can't really remember. Pretty sure we get nothing guaranteed on spacies, right?
Mainly interested in what Falcon can do to Marth and Sheik off a grab.
I'm pretty sure there are some guaranteed setups but I can't really remember. Pretty sure we get nothing guaranteed on spacies, right?
bertbusdriver
Smash Ace
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-falcon-index-thread-new-post-of-the-week-by-magus.307911/
all of your answers are in here. falcon has uthrow->uair and uthrow->knee at certain percents on both marth and sheik. Please look it up on your own :D
all of your answers are in here. falcon has uthrow->uair and uthrow->knee at certain percents on both marth and sheik. Please look it up on your own :D
hey bert, it's zeo, guy who roomed with at koc3. sup :D
bertbusdriver
Smash Ace
dude these boards are so dead now >_>
i know man :[
all the good falcons just want to practice on their own, no one even stops by just to say hi anymore
RedGamer
Smash Ace
Hi guys :3
I've got an idea; why not make a gif thread about things you can do in certain situations just like they have on the marth boards?
I've got an idea; why not make a gif thread about things you can do in certain situations just like they have on the marth boards?
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u ppl should follow me on twitter and ask me questions there, I will answer anything
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RedGamer
Smash Ace
happy new years, falcon bros! anything new goin on in this thread?
Any advice on getting back on stage against Marth? my main training partner plays a very cautious marth. If I manage to make it to the ledge, I really struggle to make it back to center stage. He mainly spaces nairs and dtilits on my shield. I can't roll or i will get grabbed, and my aerials oos get beaten. I would wavedash oos, but I would just end up back on the ledge. Sometimes I try to dj oos and waveland on a platform, but he has caught on and started to uptilt on reaction. Any advice?
Zhea
Smash Ace
If marth get's you off stage you are pretty much dead. Best thing you can do is learn how to fade back with up-b and hope he whiffs his edgeguard or learn to smash di into the stage and tech it. It's a really fast matchup. If falcon is put off stage marth dumpsters him. If falcon gets a grab it could be marth's stock.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
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Zhea
Smash Ace
I guess ways to avoid him doing stupid things:
If he's standing on the edge and swinging like a mongoloid, sdi tech and immediately up - b in his face cause he is dumb and stupid and should feel dumb and stupid.
If he jumps out at you, either ff below him and dj->up-b(be ready to tech, he's going to up-b you in to the stage) or try to beat him out with a knee or uair.
If he decides to sit there charging shield breaker, just recover as high as you can.
If he f-smashes you or shield breakers you, DI straight up and try to gain height so you can Falcon Kick and get you DJ back.
If he d-tilts you, you basically have to survival di (up and in) and keep up-bing back and pray he either screws up or tries to do something besides d-tilt(also screwing up).
If he is trying to be fancy shmancy and just hold and then ledge hop dair you, you have to sdi like a god into the stage and tech it. Then up-b in his stupid smug face.
If he just holds the edge your options are A) try not to cry and B) cry a lot.
If he's standing on the edge and swinging like a mongoloid, sdi tech and immediately up - b in his face cause he is dumb and stupid and should feel dumb and stupid.
If he jumps out at you, either ff below him and dj->up-b(be ready to tech, he's going to up-b you in to the stage) or try to beat him out with a knee or uair.
If he decides to sit there charging shield breaker, just recover as high as you can.
If he f-smashes you or shield breakers you, DI straight up and try to gain height so you can Falcon Kick and get you DJ back.
If he d-tilts you, you basically have to survival di (up and in) and keep up-bing back and pray he either screws up or tries to do something besides d-tilt(also screwing up).
If he is trying to be fancy shmancy and just hold and then ledge hop dair you, you have to sdi like a god into the stage and tech it. Then up-b in his stupid smug face.
If he just holds the edge your options are A) try not to cry and B) cry a lot.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
I like how all of these options come from you playing against King the other day. I heard you guys played for something close to 12+ hours.
also the first one and the last one had me in tears.
another note to recovering against marth is the hax dash. not just standard hax dashing, but hax dashing to the ledge and DJ -> wavelanding onto the side platform or dj -> waveland from the side plat -> regrabing edge -> edge dashing or other stupid things that you may or may not get punished for. my point is for you to have an array of mixups to get back to the stage. (I should probably use more of them so that I don't get dtilted)
also the first one and the last one had me in tears.
another note to recovering against marth is the hax dash. not just standard hax dashing, but hax dashing to the ledge and DJ -> wavelanding onto the side platform or dj -> waveland from the side plat -> regrabing edge -> edge dashing or other stupid things that you may or may not get punished for. my point is for you to have an array of mixups to get back to the stage. (I should probably use more of them so that I don't get dtilted)
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Cowsaymeow
Smash Cadet
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Playing a decent amount of PM was not a good idea. Cannot SHFFL because of short hopping requiring a more precise time than PM.
Also what can I do against players who just punish my air moves by shielding and then grabbing? Any aerials I can use that are safe on shield besides spaced out nairs?
Also what can I do against players who just punish my air moves by shielding and then grabbing? Any aerials I can use that are safe on shield besides spaced out nairs?
Zhea
Smash Ace
Tomahawk or dd grab. If they start swinging instead mix it up with low single hit nairs or low late knee on shield to grab. If you space on shield either buffer roll, get good at dashing through them or gentlemen to keep them honest.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
have you tried practicing throw combos with a second controller and a rubber band on training mode?
have you tried practicing stomp -> nair -> uair -> knee on marth at 45% on FD?
have you tried this while decreasing the percents in intervals of 5 until you can land this combo at 15% ?
have you tried to consistently JV 5 stock a level 5 comp?
have you tried to fine tune your tech skill in the 1 player glitch until get it SUPER crisp?
have you tried Dash Dance spacing?
have you tried sexying up your falcon with style?
have you tried practicing stomp -> nair -> uair -> knee on marth at 45% on FD?
have you tried this while decreasing the percents in intervals of 5 until you can land this combo at 15% ?
have you tried to consistently JV 5 stock a level 5 comp?
have you tried to fine tune your tech skill in the 1 player glitch until get it SUPER crisp?
have you tried Dash Dance spacing?
have you tried sexying up your falcon with style?
Zhea
Smash Ace
Do you have 2 controllers? One of them can be crap.
If so go into training mode and practice your throw combos.
1. Select your training dummy (Marth and Sheik are good picks because combos on them with good di have very tight timing)
2. Hold the opposite direction of the DI you want to practice against on the second controller and plug it in(Away and Down + Away are good DI's to practice as they tend to be the optimum DI to get out of Falcon Combos)
3. Set the Control to Human
4. Let them run off the edge and respawn
5. Pause when they leave the platform
6. Wait for invincibility to wear off.
7. Unpause, run after them and JC Grab
8. Throw and Combo
9. Return to the spawn
10. Repeat 5 - 9
Some bread and butters to get you started:
70% - 90% Down + Away DI on Marth and Sheik. Up-throw to running shffle'd knee
30% - 60% Down + Away DI on Marth and Sheik. Up-throw to running shffle'd instant uair, follow up with knee or uair.
You can also do the above with no di to practice punishing marth's for di-ing your d-throw poorly with nair and uair. This should actually rack the combo meter up. If you are too slow you will get faired by a real player.
dthrow->nair/uair->regrab->dthrow->nair/uair->regrab->pummel->uthrow->instant uair.
Also, I find a good drill for l-cancels is going into a 1-2 minute game with a fully handicapped bowser with .5 damage multiplier. Get a second controller an hold up before plugging it in to the slot bowser is in and go to FD (Hold Bowser's Control stick up or put it as the only selectable stage on random). Pick and areal and hit bowser with it as many times as you can before time runs out. Be sure to kill either you or Bowser before time is up. In the stat screen see how many aerials you performed by scrolling to the more detailed pages. See how high you can get to per minute. It gives you a tangible goal to measure up to when working on shffles.
If so go into training mode and practice your throw combos.
1. Select your training dummy (Marth and Sheik are good picks because combos on them with good di have very tight timing)
2. Hold the opposite direction of the DI you want to practice against on the second controller and plug it in(Away and Down + Away are good DI's to practice as they tend to be the optimum DI to get out of Falcon Combos)
3. Set the Control to Human
4. Let them run off the edge and respawn
5. Pause when they leave the platform
6. Wait for invincibility to wear off.
7. Unpause, run after them and JC Grab
8. Throw and Combo
9. Return to the spawn
10. Repeat 5 - 9
Some bread and butters to get you started:
70% - 90% Down + Away DI on Marth and Sheik. Up-throw to running shffle'd knee
30% - 60% Down + Away DI on Marth and Sheik. Up-throw to running shffle'd instant uair, follow up with knee or uair.
You can also do the above with no di to practice punishing marth's for di-ing your d-throw poorly with nair and uair. This should actually rack the combo meter up. If you are too slow you will get faired by a real player.
dthrow->nair/uair->regrab->dthrow->nair/uair->regrab->pummel->uthrow->instant uair.
Also, I find a good drill for l-cancels is going into a 1-2 minute game with a fully handicapped bowser with .5 damage multiplier. Get a second controller an hold up before plugging it in to the slot bowser is in and go to FD (Hold Bowser's Control stick up or put it as the only selectable stage on random). Pick and areal and hit bowser with it as many times as you can before time runs out. Be sure to kill either you or Bowser before time is up. In the stat screen see how many aerials you performed by scrolling to the more detailed pages. See how high you can get to per minute. It gives you a tangible goal to measure up to when working on shffles.
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RedGamer
Smash Ace
that's good....I really liked the last few ideas.
Zhea
Smash Ace
If only you had a cube PK-T. Or more importantly melee.
RedGamer
Smash Ace
I have a cube. wanna play mario kart dd?
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
hiiiiiii guuuuuuys.
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Guest
there is no substitute for playing people, thats the best way to learn
if u still live in san diego, there are plenty of bad and good players in san diego to level up from
RedGamer
Smash Ace
oh **** it's the duck pimp! sup, mang. how's it been for ya?
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
which of you guys are gonna be at apex?
RedGamer
Smash Ace
I know S2J, Wenbo, and Zhea are going. unfortunately, my dude zhea has VGBC | Dr. PeePee in his pool. should be fun....
Zhea
Smash Ace
I have Wenbo in m pool let's not get ahead of ourselves.
