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Cpt.Love
Smash Cadet
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- Oct 14, 2013
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Windrose
Smash Lord
- Joined
- Mar 22, 2009
- Messages
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Wiggle out of stun so you can jump out earlier.
Okay, so I just wiggle the control stick (like, back and forth, or fanning up like I'm SDI-ing up) and mash out a jump?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Scar is too funny, love his character. lol.
Nintendude
Smash Hero
Is that really true? I've always thought that the earliest frame that you can wiggle is also the earliest frame you can jump.
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
it's not wiggling out of stun, it's wiggling out of tumble
Zhea
Smash Ace
So my question is how does wiggling work? Does it work like mashing out of grab? It wouldn't make much sense because down would cause you to fast fall and up would cause you to jump. Can you mash A and B to assist in it?
Zhea
Smash Ace
You are in the transitory animation between crouching and stand, which causes z to jab instead if grab. I thin. Tou can jc it, if all else fails the beginning of your shield animation will by pass it .
CaptainFabulous
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2013
- Messages
- 42
Just CC Gentlemen :D
RedGamer
Smash Ace
sorry to break into the convo, but I just wanted to say hi :3
I'm curious as to when everybody picked up falcon.
i first decided to main falcon sept 2008.
I decided to learn falcon seriously around june 2011,
and I started playing falcon against people feb 2013. now he's a strong secondary.
also FALCON!!!
I'm curious as to when everybody picked up falcon.
i first decided to main falcon sept 2008.
I decided to learn falcon seriously around june 2011,
and I started playing falcon against people feb 2013. now he's a strong secondary.
also FALCON!!!
Beat!
Smash Master
Perhaps shield + A would solve your problem?
NOW I need IC's help lmao
So yeah, long time training partner of mine has gotten good enough to go toe-to-toe with me, probably even edges me out in the IC's-Falcon MU. I'm a lot worse at getting safe hits on shield without getting shield grabbed than I remember.
Stuff I remember killing me in the MU was WDOOS -> jab -> grab when I tried to do aerial on shield -> run away. In general, I feel like I got hit with jab -> grab way more than I should have. I also feel like I'm not spacing against them properly in terms of stage positioning.
I feel like I'm giving the IC's way more space than I really need to and it forces me to do deep aerials that I really probably shouldn't do. Also, I get shield-grabbed more often than I prolly should, but maybe I'm just flubbing late aerials hard.
Gonna work harder on mashing out of grabs lol
So yeah, long time training partner of mine has gotten good enough to go toe-to-toe with me, probably even edges me out in the IC's-Falcon MU. I'm a lot worse at getting safe hits on shield without getting shield grabbed than I remember.
Stuff I remember killing me in the MU was WDOOS -> jab -> grab when I tried to do aerial on shield -> run away. In general, I feel like I got hit with jab -> grab way more than I should have. I also feel like I'm not spacing against them properly in terms of stage positioning.
I feel like I'm giving the IC's way more space than I really need to and it forces me to do deep aerials that I really probably shouldn't do. Also, I get shield-grabbed more often than I prolly should, but maybe I'm just flubbing late aerials hard.
Gonna work harder on mashing out of grabs lol
Aggromidget
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
- May 22, 2010
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- 193
Well, Chu Dat has recently attended a Melee tournament and came second to m2k, taking a set. Don't underestimate the wavedash, jab to grab. It's similar to fox's drill, shine, grab in terms of pressure.
I've heard that side-b is good on the IC's shield, but this is from listening to commentaries, and I don't know of it's certain.
I remember that Mango went in as Falcon against Wobbles and used knee to separate the climbers.
Bear in mind that IC's have one of the best wavedashes in game, so beware of the wavedash back, jab to grab.
I reckon grabbing (as falcon) should be used more. Run up grab, if you miss, jab. If you get grab, instantly d-throw. D-throw since it puts a protective hitbox in front of you. Ideally, you grabbed Popo, so it's harder for them to retaliate.
Hopefully I gave you some ideas.
Zhea
Smash Ace
A majority of it is running away and punishing them fior how flloaty and slidy they are.. Well spaced knees will their neutral. While it's not a falcon vid I do suggest people watch cactuar vs chu, as he will show you the mentality you need for this matchup
BTmoney
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I **** with you ziodyne for having that avatar, that's mostly why I'm writing this comment lol.
and I'd watch gucci vs wobbles and mango vs wobbles from kings of cali 2. That's all I can say. I've never even fought an ICs
In regards to Falcon in general the most helpful generic advice I've ever gotten other than dashdance grab is never get shield grabbed, ever.
Hope that's a good thing lmao
yeah, i've been checking out ****ton of s2j vids, a whole bunch against fly and a few sets against wobbles.
probably will check out mango vs. wobbles again though now that you mention it
CaptainFabulous
Smash Cadet
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From what I've seen you just knee, gentlemen, raptor boost and don't get grabbed
BTmoney
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ya in a good way lmao. it's funny how I spend more time playing falcon than my main or my actual secondaries lol
Captain Smuckers
Smash Journeyman
I also realized one day that I played falcon more than my main. On that day, I made the worst best decision of my life
Falcon is no doubt the best character... well at least the most fun.
Coffeeblack
Smash Journeyman
I did this recently, no regrets.