Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BarDulL]

Mafia win just as easily by playing a strong town game. Don't freak out. We'll find it.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm also ruling out Bardull as Abductor, and I'd say Rake too but that's only based on his D1 presence. An indy wouldn't want to be seen as a driving force or be viewed as too pro-town because then they're a scum kill target.

 

[BSP]

I think Rake was pretty out there for Indy play

 

[sneakytako]

You are one of the ghosts that were originally sent to abduct Romani Ranch's prized cows. However, almost all of the others were wiped out by a lone boy, in an attempt to do so. And now you're one of the few of your kind left! You've been sent back to capture the one that did this to your people, however you know very little about this person, or if he's even still here. So you're going to have to capture all of them one by one until you find him!


Active Abilities:
Once per night you may select one player to "Abduct". That player will not die, but will not be able to speak or vote, and will not count towards the vote count. If you are to be killed, each player that you abducted will return to the game.

Passive Abilities:
You are immune to night kills.

Win Condition:
You are independently aligned and win when all other players have been killed or abducted.

INDY
PLANT ABDUCTOR GET THE **** AT ME (Chlora)
-Selects a word to use as the plant word
-When said, person loses their vote that day.
-That night, player who triggered the plant word is kidnapped
-Released upon Indy Death
-One-shot BP
-Safeclaim:
-Item Stolen:

The abductor roles that bardul mentioned for reference.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Mafia win just as easily by playing a strong town game. Don't freak out. We'll find it.

Yea but the mafia have teammates that they will likely try to protect, and are specifically trying to steer the game towards town lynches. Indies don't want to do that, all they want is not get killed, which means they wanna just look like an awesome townie by ACTUALLY BEING an awesome townie. It's kind of scarier.

 

[Kantrip]

I rolled abductor in th3kuzinator's HLFLC mafia and it worked as I mentioned, except when the players returned the game town had to choose one to save rather than all coming back.

 

[sneakytako]

GLADOS, Independent One-Shot Bulletproof Abductor

Due to the amazing technological advances of Aperture Science, you're able to silently whisk away humens during the Night where you torture them with stories of delicious cakes that can never be obtained because they are LIES. You cruel son of a bi– well anyway...

Abilities: Each Night you may send me the PM Abduct: Playername and that player will be removed from the game with their role and flavor hidden. For example, [???, ???] has been abducted. In the event that you're killed, the players you have abducted will be returned to the game unharmed.

One-Shot Bulletproof: You are impervious to any sort of killing action at Night. However, this applies only once.

Alignment: You are independently aligned and win when you're the last man standing or no one can prevent this.

Safe-claim: If you choose to use it, you know that "DJ Grizzly" (the bear DJ at the end of Free Man) is not in this game.

Good Luck! [/B]

For more reference.

 

[BSP]

Does Doc protect you from abduction?

 

[Kantrip]

Depends on the wording of the doc, if they say "protect from Night Kills" then no, but if it's worded as protection from "harmful actions" then I'd say yes. Usually it's the former though.

 

[sneakytako]

So we didn't have a NK last night, but there is a possibility that scum used their NK on a bulletproof (possible X shot) indie instead of doc/jailer saving someone. Unlikely though.

 

[Jdietz43]

There's also the matter of if the night action resolution puts abducting before killing, in which case RR scum being abducted may have been the last mafia. Unlikely but also worth mentioning. (On Page 6 re-read)

 

[Kantrip]

That's a good point, actually. Abductors do tend to have a one-shot or perma-BP, if not more indies.

@Jdietz: Yeah, that's what I assumed at first.

 

[BarDulL]

There's a reason to out them in the case that RR is scum and we need to get him back in here.

Explain this in more detail.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

If RR was the last mafia, wouldn't his removal from the game result in the end of the game? I thought they were basically considered dead. Does it not count because of the possibility of us lynching the abductor, and then the mafia comes back into the game? Because if that's the case, this could be amazing. We don't have scum to look for. That leaves the Indy as the only opposing alignment, which means he's essentially the mafia now. He can't help us hunt scum, so he's just the new mafia trying to steer us towards townies, and away from himself.

 

[BarDulL]

Abductor is independent aligned, ergo Town still need to knock off the abductor. Ryu would come back upon abductor lynch. Assuming Ryuscum, Town would then have to lynch Ryu.

 

[Kantrip]

Explain this in more detail.

Assume 2 scum and the abductor. Since we already have one scum, if RR is the second one then finding the abductor is our next priority. Basically, if there is still a Night Kill after Jdietz' lynch then we can continue scumhunting, but if there's only another abduction then we obviously need to find the abductor.

If RR was the last mafia, wouldn't his removal from the game result in the end of the game? I thought they were basically considered dead. Does it not count because of the possibility of us lynching the abductor, and then the mafia comes back into the game? Because if that's the case, this could be amazing. We don't have scum to look for. That leaves the Indy as the only opposing alignment, which means he's essentially the mafia now. He can't help us hunt scum, so he's just the new mafia trying to steer us towards townies, and away from himself.

The game isn't over when all mafia are killed, it's over when all threats to town are killed. The game will not end while any indy/mafia factions survive (not counting like... indy survivors or the like). But yes, it is entirely possible that we could have 0 mafia in this game right now.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Ohh, I thought they just didn't count towards Town/Mafia numbers, and that the game would end if mafia were eiminated. I guess it does make sense that they still need to be eliminated, since the town win condition never says "when mafia are eliminated", it says "when all threats ot the town are eliminated". Derp, ok then. I get it now.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

lol, kantrip ninja

 

[sneakytako]

Do you still rule out bardul as indy kantrip?

If I was scum, bardul would have been one of my top picks to be NKed (with WIFOU). If the NK failed because bardul is indy with BP this whole situation would make a lot of sense.

If Bardul was Indy by taking out the last scum he would be in a strong position to lead town to lynch themselves all the while gathering lots of abducts in the meantime.

Again, not a strong possibility but I think ruling out bardul is too much.

 

[Kantrip]

Damn, you raise a good point. I really hope (but also doubt) that the abductor has FULL BP, it's most likely one-shot.

The thing with Bardull is that he had Vinyl claim doc and say "I am protecting Bardull". Unless Vinyl is scum and sent the shot to Bardull, I doubt scum would've risked it.

However, this puts Rake back in my sights. It's possible he came in with gusto and led town D1 to look really pro-town and ride it out, and then absorbed a shot in the Night and is now going to stop being super pro-town now that his protection is gone. This is just wild speculation and him not being here is more likely just happenstance, but thanks for reminding me of that regardless.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Do you still rule out bardul as indy kantrip?

If I was scum, bardul would have been one of my top picks to be NKed (with WIFOU). If the NK failed because bardul is indy with BP this whole situation would make a lot of sense.

If Bardul was Indy by taking out the last scum he would be in a strong position to lead town to lynch themselves all the while gathering lots of abducts in the meantime.

Again, not a strong possibility but I think ruling out bardul is too much.

I agree with this, to an extent. I just think there's A LOT of possibilities on the table, so that's not a particularly compelling one.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm already in a strong position to lynch off townies as ScumDulL. However, don't think I'd go hardballin' with the vig claim and putting myself out there on a limb with my massive raep skills. Also, everything I've done has been super legit. Come at me.

Reading into the abductor, don't know why he chose RR. RR was an interesting choice considering he was likely scum. Makes me think abductor wants to nab scum first, ask questions later.

Personally, I think 1-shot BP is fine, but being unable to be NK'd is so whack and OP in the right hands. Play perfectly and you win the game, derp.

I didn't read into Vinyl's doc claim as legitimate tbqh, even Vinyl is smart enough not to legitimately claim doc so openly.

Either way, this is all useless wifom and not worth talking about. Less flavor/wifom speculation and more analysis on play from this point forward, please. Otherwise, we lynch JD and get the game going forward.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I also think that if BarDulL was the abductor, I don't think he would have kidnapped Ryu. He probably could have led a lynch against Ryu, so it's more likely he'd have taken out someone like Kantrip. That's the move I'd have made if I was in his (hypothetically Indy) shoes.

 

[Kantrip]

Frankly, choosing Red Ryu was really stupid on the abductor's part. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Red Ryu was a high lynch target, someone an indy, who doesn't want to get lynched, would want to keep around. It just makes no sense.

 

[Kantrip]

Can we do that lynching JD thing? Please?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Frankly, choosing Red Ryu was really stupid on the abductor's part. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Red Ryu was a high lynch target, someone an indy, who doesn't want to get lynched, would want to keep around. It just makes no sense.

If Abductor is only 1shot BP, he already could have absorbed his hit, so removing the last scum from the game would be amazing, cuz now he just has to look OBVtown and avoid the noose without being a scum target.

 

[sneakytako]

Frankly, choosing Red Ryu was really stupid on the abductor's part. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Red Ryu was a high lynch target, someone an indy, who doesn't want to get lynched, would want to keep around. It just makes no sense.

I actually disagree. From an Indy standpoint if I had several people having strong town reads on me I would try and remove the last Mafia, especially if I had one shot BP. He could be confident that he could lead the town into circles all by himself, while removing the possibility of being NKed for being too town.

 

[BarDulL]

Scum should hit whoever they hit last night once again just to be sure. ^______________^

 

[Kantrip]

But why on earth would you want to remove such an easy mislynch from the game?

Oh well. Let's just get on with lynching Jdietz and worry about the abductor after we see the results of another Night.

 

[Kantrip]

I think it's safe to assume he's scum and he's not supplying us with anymore valuable content.

Vote: Jdietz

 

[Jdietz43]

Ok finished my hyper-skim, I don't know how many crazy pills I took before I took my nap today... but upon actually bothering to read here's my admittedly less ridiculous thoughts.

If we take Tako being silly and not scum for granted (which at this point I am), we're basically left with BSP, Rake, Vinyl, and Orbo left as suspicious. Ryu Scum was a good probability.

Bardull, Kantrip, Riddle, and Joker essentially cleared.


I see BSP and Rake as the higher priorities out of the four left. BSP has been making a nasty habit of piggybacking the whims of others, while I want to give him a little benefit of the doubt because he echos concerns many of us might have in the back of our heads: he doesn't seem to want to claim ownership of them. He seems pretty content letting the JDietz's of the game shout them for him and just add in a "here here!" in the hopes it goes somewhere. The amount of different stances he's supported weakly is considerable, including things like echoing my Bardull shot questions, Kantrip concerns, and others.

Rake I'd also like to give benefit of the doubt because I know he has the propensity to think nearly exactly like I do, but on the re-read it's clear he's invested too much into only one or two issues to press. I'm a bit more used to seeing Rake pressing evenly across the board, it's hard to explain, but it's a bit BSP like.

Vinyl is just silly.

Orbo is just null.

When I'm gone: BSP>Rake>Vinyl/Orbo
(and if any of them are the abductor, knock off Ryu again... assuming night actions don't make people think twice etc. use your head)


Based on BSP and RR's interactions at the end of D1, I find it most likely if RR is scum BSP is his partner.

Vote: BSP

(There you can all kill me now so the game can move on, I know it's legitimately the right move to make after I pulled one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsF0K3Ou1v0)

(You can all kill me now)

 

[Jdietz43]

I think it's safe to assume he's scum and he's not supplying us with anymore valuable content.

Vote: Jdietz

Wow a little eager are we? Lol.

 

[sneakytako]

If there are only two scum and RR is one of them there will be no NKs from now on.

If we have a jailer he could clear people from indy abductor by preventing abductions.

Also, I trust JD, I'll make my case probably tomorrow, need sleep. Don't hammer.

 

[Jdietz43]

Frankly, choosing Red Ryu was really stupid on the abductor's part. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Red Ryu was a high lynch target, someone an indy, who doesn't want to get lynched, would want to keep around. It just makes no sense.

Frankly if I was Indy and suspected there were two mafia in the game, and one of the was dead: I'd totally abduct the other. Why not spare yourself from the threat of being shot in the night, even if it wastes a likely town lynch target.

 

[Kantrip]

Jdietz, why didn't you analyze 194 and his interactions? Why are you trying to find connections to RR instead of to the MOD CONFIRMED SCUM?

...

And yes I'm a bit eager to see you off, no hard feelings. I just didn't actually expect the thoughts that came right after that haha

 

[Kantrip]

tako, I'm not sure what you see in him through all his AtE, backpedaling, ridiculousness, and then coming back now and calling me and Bardull essentially clear (possibly an attempt at appeasement?), but you've actually piqued my interest, so I'll wait to hear what you have to say.

 

[Jdietz43]

Jdietz, why didn't you analyze 194 and his interactions? Why are you trying to find connections to RR instead of to the MOD CONFIRMED SCUM?

...

And yes I'm a bit eager to see you off, no hard feelings. I just didn't actually expect the thoughts that came right after that haha

Honestly the only connection that was apparent to me surrounding 194 was the possibility Ryu was stalling for him. I can go ISO him again to see if anything pops up, but otherwise the loose theory I'm playing with is how probable a game where 194/RR/BSP is the mafia faction and there's an indy to boot.

 

[Jdietz43]

(Because if we're to be honest: Abductor is a pretty weak Indy considering usually the people he abducts come back. There may not be enough to warrant a third mafia member, unless of course we have a nice PR or two about, though masons are a definite plus that boosts town pretty well)

 

[Jdietz43]

(Doing an ISO on 194 to see if anything seems apparent)

 

[Jdietz43]

Ok, Ryu+194 relation likely based on 194's sudden random voting of Ryu and Ryu's stalling previous to the lynch.

I don't usually say stuff, unless I consider it important. I like to reserve my words for myself if they look irrelevant.

But it looks like this is getting me into trouble.



At this point? I'd shoot Vinyl and vote Ryu. Ryu has been doing pretty much what I was doing before: little posting with possible lurking. When suspicious, this alone isn't enough to decrete him as scum (and that's why I wouldn't shoot him). Vinyl, in the other hand, has shown erratic behavior about other players, which, again combined with low activity, is more scum-leaning.
Toaster gets free of this situation mainly because the other two guys look more important imo.



>Has done less than me in the whole game.
>States intention to hammer

Unvote. Vote: Red Ryu.



I have just one little problem with Bardull's case: if he's so convinced (and he looks like that), why hasn't he shot me yet?

Think about it. Bardull has clearly stated that he has a shooting ability, and that's the only thing about his game that can be proven (the rest of his game looks extremely pro town- probably a bit too much). If he's really a vig, he could get to confirm himself in the eyes of the town by shooting an easy target as me. If I was mafia, he would have gotten tons of town points. Shooting me as town would still be excusable (under the "but he was playing terrible, it was shouting scum to everyone, so I shot him") and still, with both, he would confirm himself. I am the perfect target for him!

@Bardull: why haven't you shot me? Do you intent to shoot someone else?

You still didn't answer my full question: who would you shoot right now if it isn't me?

And I'm not postulating RR as scum: if I was, given the nature of the situation I was put in the question, wouldn't I have shot him instead of just vote him? My vote comes more in the flavor of "wake-up vote" rather than an "I want you lynched" vote, and that was indeed said in the question (that my vote wouldn't mean a lynch on that player).

About Vinyl: Vinyl's play in this game has shared some similarities to mine: Overall sheeping, sloppy and even contradictory reads (calling BSP pro-town, blaming him scum because of being pro-town and then calling him "the null of nulls", for instance). In fact, you have noticed some points about Vinyl better than me (like the "BSP is buddying" line and so on).

@BSP: I haven't found all the questions regarding me yet. I'm backtracking and answering them all and posting.

He takes pretty good lengths to make sure we know he both is suspicious of RR, but we shouldn't actually do anything about RR that would actively put him in danger.


I do want to ask however:

194 makes reference to being able to shoot Red Ryu and then claims vanilla.

Vinyl where are you getting a cop from? Do you mean vig (Bardull?)

194 dies now.

Are you reading?



You made me this question. I answered it. This is what I was refering about an RR vote and a shot. You are trying to get wrong meanings from an answer YOU requested.
Also, I clearly unvoted RR at the end of my last post.

194 makes a good point here. Kantrip, what were you doing here? You're acting like him talking about shots is a tell after posing to him a question about who he would shoot if he has a gun.