Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BarDulL]

JD is trying to save face and turn attention elsewhere, but he's not getting out of the noose.

 

[Jdietz43]

Dietz, I thought you were re-reading, but you seem to have time to add doubt to Riddle, huh?

I have time to be crazy in two places at once. I can't resist the siren call of the "New posts, click to see" button.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Dietz, I thought you were re-reading, but you seem to have time to add doubt to Riddle, huh?

This

At first JDietz I could've bought JDietz just being derpy, but he's actually starting to look scummy now.

 

[Kantrip]

Within tiers are very loosely ordered, I would not call him my strongest town read. Probably tied with the other two in that tier.

I had him as leaning town just based on the line of reasoning I was seeing from him. I could see the gears working, and I liked that. That continued coming into toDay, where I asked him about Vinyl's doc claim. When he demonstrated that he realized it was probably a fake claim, I liked that. Not because he discerned that, but because he shared that he discerned that. I feel like if he were scum and came to that realization (which would have then dictated how he used his kill), he would feel inclined not to go announcing that he realizes it's fake. Hope that makes sense.

@Bardull: Sorry man, I'm just wary of you. I say let Jdietz do his catch-up stuff and focus elsewhere as he shares what he finds. We won't gain anything else out of continuing to pressure him, I think it's pretty established that he's not well-received in the game at the moment.

 

[Kantrip]

BSP and Riddle's trading suspicion over each other being cautious reads as TvT, too.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm not adding doubt, I'm legit curious. Current opinions affect my re-read if there have been obvious tells I'm just ignoring/missing.

 

[Jdietz43]

(To tell you the truth, I'm not even re-reading yet... just eating lasagna and watching youtube)

 

[BSP]

Give me something concrete. You're considering him a lynch target but all you have is paranoia.

I don't have anything concrete, all I have paranoia. I just recently did a quick glance over his posts and didn't see anything worthy of condemning him.

 

[Jdietz43]

(well... unless you count blankly staring at page 2 re-reading)

 

[Kantrip]

Wait a sec...

I was thinking more along the lines of indy really. Let me re-read and see if I still even remotely feel that way or if I'm talking out of my ***.

(Sorry in advance for this guys... I probably shouldn't jump on mafia right after taking afternoon long sleeps)

>hunting for indies
>hasn't read
>backpedaling

Putting Jdietz above RR on my scumscale. Putting Jdietz as solid scum. Would submit to a Jdietz quicklynch.

He practically ignored the 194 wagon, comes into this Day with vibes and suspicions on players, saying that he doesn't think they're connected to 194, but rather thinks they're indies. This is a scum-slip, as he clearly wasn't looking for connections, looking for scum, or probably even reading the game. Then he tries to cover it all up with "I haven't even read, disregard this and let me be real now". Throw AtE and useless comments on top of that, and you have someone I would feel confident in letting Bardull shoot. It's a shame the gun was but a lie.

Die die die

Vote: Jdietz

 

[BarDulL]

I love you Kantrip.

 

[BSP]

And Bardull, to be clear, when Riddle asked me for "targets", I consider a "target" for a day as someone the town needs to get information out of. I wouldn't lynch Riddle off of his play so far, but like I said, I don't 100% trust him.

 

[BSP]

@MOD request votecount

Just to have an official one

Guys, Dietz can go, but do we really want to quick-lynch?

 

[BarDulL]

I don't see this day ending any other way regardless of Orbo/Rake contributions, honestly.

 

[Kantrip]

He's scum. We lynched scum D1. Orbo can have another Night to catch up, what more do we really need from this Day?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

He's scum. We lynched scum D1. Orbo can have another Night to catch up, what more do we really need from this Day?

Because if it turns out that Orbo is scum, do we really want to just let him skate by another day for free? Give him a chance to let us read him.

 

[Riddle]

JDietz needs to claim at the very least before we lynch him. I would also prefer content from either Orbo or Rake, but it's not absolutely necessary.

Other than that, I'm good.

 

[Kantrip]

Sure, Orbo can skate by another Day. I don't see anything he can come into this game with being grimier than Jdietz. And we have the lynch to spare, for a certainty. Yeah Jdietz feel free to claim.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Also, quicklynches are bad. JDietz isn't gonna slip the noose just because we let him live a little longer.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm G [Human], VT

Crumbed flavor in my opening post by addressing everyone as "homie G dawgs"


I'd say give me a while to re-read and give some opinions that are actually workable when I'm gone first, but at this point I'm not even sure that'd be a good idea. I might just be entirely out of touch with this game.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm G [Human], VT

Crumbed flavor in my opening post by addressing everyone as "homie G dawgs"


I'd say give me a while to re-read and give some opinions that are actually workable when I'm gone first, but at this point I'm not even sure that'd be a good idea. I might just be entirely out of touch with this game.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm G [Human], VT

Crumbed flavor in my opening post by addressing everyone as "homie G dawgs"


I'd say give me a while to re-read and give some opinions that are actually workable when I'm gone first, but at this point I'm not even sure that'd be a good idea. I might just be entirely out of touch with this game.

No, you should do that re-read and all that jazz, don't back out of giving us info just because you're basically guaranteed to die.

 

[BSP]

Dietz is at L-3 if I counted correctly

Let's get at least something from Orbo before this day ends.

 

[Kantrip]

I guess I can wait long enough to give some people time to post and stuff, but I mean do we really need anything else from this Day?

Bardull, do you agree that we have an indy abductor here, or do you still think it could be a janitor or some other manner of disappearances? Do you have an abductor pool at the moment?

@BSP/Joker: What do you look for when hunting for indies?

 

[Jdietz43]

No, you should do that re-read and all that jazz, don't back out of giving us info just because you're basically guaranteed to die.

Alright, I'll put down my garlic bread and start reading soon. I apologize once again in advance for pressing the self destruct button on my slot (yeah yeah AtE I know).

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've never hunted for an indie before, I don't know how I'd even go about that. I assume it'd be REALLY hard because sometimes their wincon can be achieved by literally just playing a perfect town game and living until the end.

I don't think an Indy role would be very balanced in a closed setup since rooting them out means looking for very specific things, and if we don't know to look for them, there's no way we'd ever catch them without it being an accident.

 

[BarDulL]

I considered the abductor possibility when I saw the flavor, but Janitor came to mind. Don't know what other roles are there that work similarly to abductor, but I don't think they're a stretch from the truth.

No comment on abductor pool for the time being. I have some ideas, but no reason to out them just yet.

 

[Jdietz43]

I've never hunted for an indie before, I don't know how I'd even go about that. I assume it'd be REALLY hard because sometimes their wincon can be achieved by literally just playing a perfect town game and living until the end.

I don't think an Indy role would be very balanced in a closed setup since rooting them out means looking for very specific things, and if we don't know to look for them, there's no way we'd ever catch them without it being an accident.

Actually indies are almost always in closed setups versus open ones as is my understanding. Don't rule them out by far.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Is the abductor an indy role? I don't really get what they do. All I can tell is that they seem to abduct people for a day and remove them from the game. Do they come back tomorrow? Do they abduct someone every night? What's their typical win con? I don't get it

 

[Kantrip]

I've never hunted for an indie before, I don't know how I'd even go about that. I assume it'd be REALLY hard because sometimes their wincon can be achieved by literally just playing a perfect town game and living until the end.

I don't think an Indy role would be very balanced in a closed setup since rooting them out means looking for very specific things, and if we don't know to look for them, there's no way we'd ever catch them without it being an accident.

Well one thing that helps is realizing that since they're completely on their own, they have to make sure they stay under the radar and ensure their own survival over everything else. They have to stay out of the spotlight from scum kills and town lynches, so self-preservation is key. Do you agree with that? Who would your current picks be, if you had to go by that?

 

[Jdietz43]

I've only ever seen one, but the way it worked that time was the abductor hi-jacked people from the game, and when the abductor died they came back. I believe they were actually a mafia role that time... but then again Gigabots was far from typical.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Well one thing that helps is realizing that since they're completely on their own, they have to make sure they stay under the radar and ensure their own survival over everything else. They have to stay out of the spotlight from scum kills and town lynches, so self-preservation is key. Do you agree with that? Who would your current picks be, if you had to go by that?

lol, the Toaster/Orbo slot is literally the definition of that. He's as off the radar as humanly possible. The most noticeable thing he's done is be 100% absent, which I guess is pretty worthy of notice in itself.

 

[sneakytako]

They have a limited abduct capacity where they can abduct only like 2 people at a time. If they try and abduct a third they have to free one of the people they abducted.

Sample of a abduct role I found PJB.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUKbuOCX9LIJKleYGKrKI8pkkVcuzGVffzeofJKfg_8/edit?pli=1

 

[Kantrip]

I considered the abductor possibility when I saw the flavor, but Janitor came to mind. Don't know what other roles are there that work similarly to abductor, but I don't think they're a stretch from the truth.

No comment on abductor pool for the time being. I have some ideas, but no reason to out them just yet.

There's a reason to out them in the case that RR is scum and we need to get him back in here.

Is the abductor an indy role? I don't really get what they do. All I can tell is that they seem to abduct people for a day and remove them from the game. Do they come back tomorrow? Do they abduct someone every night? What's their typical win con? I don't get it

I've never heard of abductions only lasting one phase, where did you get that from? From my experience, the abductor keeps collecting victims that return to the game upon his death (I think that's the standard role, though variations are always possible I guess). Their win-con is traditionally to be the last one standing, as a typical indy. In that sense, their abductions kind of count as kills because if they manage to abduct every living player they count as the last man standing.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

There's a reason to out them in the case that RR is scum and we need to get him back in here.


I've never heard of abductions only lasting one phase, where did you get that from? From my experience, the abductor keeps collecting victims that return to the game upon his death (I think that's the standard role, though variations are always possible I guess). Their win-con is traditionally to be the last one standing, as a typical indy. In that sense, their abductions kind of count as kills because if they manage to abduct every living player they count as the last man standing.

I didn't get it from anywhere, I'm actually asking that question. I've never heard of the role before, and I haven't a clue what it does.

 

[sneakytako]

Does it make sense for an indy to have abduct if their holding capacity is limited? It seems like their endgame would be very limited.

Also, what happens to the people that are abducted if the abductor gets killed?

 

[BSP]

I've never hunted for an indie before, I don't know how I'd even go about that. I assume it'd be REALLY hard because sometimes their wincon can be achieved by literally just playing a perfect town game and living until the end.

This for me

 

[BarDulL]

Abductor continues collecting until he's the last one standing, as seen in Gigabots and Hilt's Majora's Mask Mafia.

Kantrip, hunt scum first, find Indy while we're at it. That's all I should say. No reason to out my suspicions for the time being until I've got something nice and tasty.

 

[Kantrip]

Traditional Abductor, and what we're probably dealing with here:

Can Abduct a player each Night, removing them from the game with no flip. If the Abductor dies at any point, his victims return to the game. No limit on victims. Wins when he is the last one standing or nothing can prevent this.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Finding the abductor is going to be a ****ing nightmare then. It could be anybody, because that wincon can VERY easily achieved by playing a solid town game. That means anybody that we read as solid Town is now possible Indy. I think Tako and I are the only ones really off the hook there, and that's not nearly comforting enough for me.