Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BSP]

What the hell are you insinuating in this post?

I'm seeing conclusions that couldn't have been come up with if people actually read all of Joker's post on this mason matter. I saw it in 194's and Kantrip's posts.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, I've been posting as I got caught up, so a lot of my thoughts came from before I had read the claim and whatnot. Only natural you would pick up on that.

Bardull, calm your spidey senses. 194 is priority over BSP at this time. I want better reads from him than the crap he gave before, too.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm seeing conclusions that couldn't have been come up with if people actually read all of Joker's post on this mason matter. I saw it in 194's and Kantrip's posts.

Kantrip's **** is all out of whack because

1. He's posting all his thoughts in the thread before he's finished catching up

2. He just read through ALL THAT ****, so some of it probably fell out of his head.

 

[BarDulL]

I said "still think he's scum" in more of a "you think he's scum even after the masonry claim?" as a response to your "I'm positive some of you aren't reading w.r.t. Joker" post. Assumed it was an insinuation that you felt Joker was scum, otherwise I have no clue where you were going with it. Would really like your reads regardless, still don't see any meat on your bones.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually no Joker, I think I absorbed the vast majority of it. I have a pretty decent memory.

One thing I don't recall though, have you weighed in on the 194 wagon? Who else do you want dead? Still gunning for Rake?

 

[BarDulL]

And now it makes sense.

194 wagon is the bee's knees and I'm drivin'.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'm not 100% sold on Rake, but I'm probably about 70% or 80%. He's not my priority for today. He does indeed keep useful discussion going, despite the little scummy inklings I get from some of his actions.

As for 194, I weighed in a little. I found it really weird that he Voted for me, then he posted a little list of reads where he said I was Null, then he said he was really out of it and took off. Now he's been lurking the thread. All really bad vibes.

 

[Kantrip]

Cool. I agree with those oddities in his play. Especially when he voted you. It reeks of sheeping at a point when your wagon should've been dying down instead which is really just catching him with his pants down having no reasoning for wagoning. BSP picked up on that too, as I assume Bardull and Rake have.

Rake, Bardull, Kantrip, BSP, Joker

194 claims

weigh on claim, probably lynch, profit.

I want this.

 

[Riddle]

I'm not 100% sold on Rake, but I'm probably about 70% or 80%. He's not my priority for today. He does indeed keep useful discussion going, despite the little scummy inklings I get from some of his actions.

As for 194, I weighed in a little. I found it really weird that he Voted for me, then he posted a little list of reads where he said I was Null, then he said he was really out of it and took off. Now he's been lurking the thread. All really bad vibes.

I feel like almost everything I've seen from you has been interactions regarding your masonry. Reads on a bunch of other players would be awesome.

 

[Riddle]

Cool. I agree with those oddities in his play. Especially when he voted you. It reeks of sheeping at a point when your wagon should've been dying down instead which is really just catching him with his pants down having no reasoning for wagoning. BSP picked up on that too, as I assume Bardull and Rake have.

Rake, Bardull, Kantrip, BSP, Joker

194 claims

weigh on claim, probably lynch, profit.

I want this.

We have a couple more days for discussion, but barring anything completely unexpected, I'm down with this course of action.

 

[BSP]

I said "still think he's scum" in more of a "you think he's scum even after the masonry claim?" as a response to your "I'm positive some of you aren't reading w.r.t. Joker" post. Assumed it was an insinuation that you felt Joker was scum, otherwise I have no clue where you were going with it.

I'm seeing conclusions that couldn't have been come up with if people actually read all of Joker's post on this mason matter. I saw it in 194's and Kantrip's posts.

I would be more worried about this if I didn't think you really do have a shot right now.

Would really like your reads regardless, still don't see any meat on your bones.

I think Rake is town. I can't see any malicious intent from his play so far. It got the masons outed unfortunately, but he's genuinely hunting for information, which is a good thing.

I'm leaning town on Bardull. I don't think he'd parade around mentioning this gun he has unless he didn't really have one, and he has given us some thoughts so far. I want to see you use this shot though.

I believe Joker's Mason claim. I read through all of his explanations and I can see where he was coming from. So I think he's town.

By extention, I think Tako is town too.

Toaster needs to get in this game. I don't want his slot coasting into D2, so I wouldn't mind if he gets shot.

I want to see Ryu add more, or he can go toDay. I believe Kantrip pointed out that pretty much the one thing he did that was important recently was suggest that the other Mason be outed.

I want 194 to answer all the questions addressed to him or he can go too.

I don't really know what to think of Vinyl, but he's pretty much mentioned me and hopes of me being scum in this game in a lot of posts. There has to be some reason for this. I don't think he's a top priority right now, but he needs to be looked into.

Riddle seems fine so far.

Kantrip seems fine so far too.

 

[BSP]

I could use some second opinions on Riddle though, ie some Meta or something. His play looks pretty reserved to me right now. Not all out scumhunting, but good ideas. Does he usually play like this?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Uhh, I generally don't point out my town reads unless I make a full playerlist (which I usually try to do at least once per Day phase). Did you want me to do that? It'll probably take me awhile to reread everyone because I've been so goddamn busy trying to keep myself and Tako clear all game.

 

[Riddle]

Uhh, I generally don't point out my town reads unless I make a full playerlist (which I usually try to do at least once per Day phase). Did you want me to do that? It'll probably take me awhile to reread everyone because I've been so goddamn busy trying to keep myself and Tako clear all game.

I don't need a full list, but if that's the only time you give out town reads, then yeah do that.

 

[Kantrip]

BSP town lean becomes a more solid town read, moving him to the would not lynch category.

As far as Riddle goes, I'm not sure. I think this is his first game in quite a while? I don't know if anyone in this game has meta on him.

@Riddle: I'd agree with you, but I really think over-discussing would just stagnate the game. We have a direction to go in, and if it plays out and 194 continues to be the play, I say we roll with it and don't bother waiting forever for it.

 

[Riddle]

As far as Riddle goes, I'm not sure. I think this is his first game in quite a while? I don't know if anyone in this game has meta on him.

You are correct. You will have a hard time finding any accurate meta on me until I flip in Hunter x Hunter.

@Riddle: I'd agree with you, but I really think over-discussing would just stagnate the game. We have a direction to go in, and if it plays out and 194 continues to be the play, I say we roll with it and don't bother waiting forever for it.

I don't want to wait until the deadline or anything like that, but I would certainly like to wait until people like Red Ryu/Toaster give us content/reads before going into Night.

 

[BSP]

You are correct. You will have a hard time finding any accurate meta on me until I flip in Hunter x Hunter.

Ok. Regardless, Riddle hasn't done anything that's set off any flags, so he's fine for now.

I don't want to wait until the deadline or anything like that, but I would certainly like to wait until people like Red Ryu/Toaster give us content/reads before going into Night.

I agree with this.

Guys, regardless of what 194 says next, don't end this day until we get something from everyone.

194 is at L-3 right now

Also, I forgot about Jdietz. From what I recall from his posts, I liked the intent and didn't see anything malicious.

 

[BarDulL]

MFW 194 comes into the thread, looks, then leaves.

Sigh.

L-2 would be stellar. Maybe L-1.

 

[Riddle]

With BarDulL, Rake, Joker, BSP, and Kantrip already voting 194 and 7 needed to lynch, I believe 194 is actually at L-2.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I guess I can give you some of the ones that require less digging

BarDulL
I think he's town. He's got that gun, and he's not afraid to wave it around. He's also been a driving force behind most of the pushes this game. Anytime I see him post, I like what I see.
Town

Rake
Most of his pushes felt dirty to me (probably because Tako and I were the victims. /bias) Now that he's off my back, it's a little more obvious that what he does generates information for the town, and that's a good thing. The only thing that still bugs me is the way he automatically votes whoever BarDulL, and sometimes other players, votes. He just outright sheeps every push so shamelessly, and I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
Null/town

Kantrip
The fact that early on in the game, Kantrips activity being so low bothered me. He was also making pushes that I just outright didn't understand. The Vinyl push didn't seem legitimate to me at that time. With his recent catchup, I see more things that I understand. I think that we're out of the early/confused stage of the game, and Kantrips reads are falling more inline with my own. I hope to see more from this slot in the future.
slight Town lean

Vinyl
I may have to go back and reread him a bit, but his recent activity is completely godawful. I don't know what he's doing, but it's certainly not making sense. I can see that he's distracted from being at a tournament (I think he mentioned that somewhere), but the way his posts read to me seemed more like he was drunk than simply distracted. I want to hear more from him so we can clear up what he's trying to do.
slight Scum lean

194
He hasn't popped his head out all that much so far. When he does, like recently, I don't like it. He seems all over the board, and he's reaching to look like he's doing something. I agree with Kantrip about his vote on me being odd because if he was following along, he should have realized how out of place that was. Now he's being all lurking and ****. I don't like it. He should claim, and explain his lack of content up until this point + why the content he does have stinks.
likely Scum

I wanna reread Riddle and BSP before outing a read. I'll tell you that at this moment you seems seem likely town, but I don't remember much of your posts up until more recently. Ryu I think I'm Null on, but I wanna reread him too. Kinda getting a headache looking at the screen right now so it might wait until tomorrow. I promise to finish though

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Oh, and Toaster. I keep forgetting he's in this game

 

[Kantrip]

And JDietz. EVERYONE seems to be forgetting about him.

Are there any early pushes you didn't like besides my Vinyl. one? Just out of curiosity, since you pluralized that.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

oh ****, and JDietz too. Not sure how I forgot about him since I actually interacted with him a bit today. I'll lean town on him for now, but he's someone I wanna reread too.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

And JDietz. EVERYONE seems to be forgetting about him.

Are there any early pushes you didn't like besides my Vinyl. one? Just out of curiosity, since you pluralized that.

me /bias

some of your arguments against me felt like leaps. I don't really remember specifics, I just remember not seeing where you were drawing your lines. It felt off, hence my vote at the time. I pulled those reads out of what I remembered cuz I don't think rereading any of you guys would net me read-changing information.

 

[Kantrip]

You being masoned with tako addressed some of my concerns and lined up with what I was scratching my head about. But that was some of the later stuff that I was seeing. I understand where you're coming from though, unfortunately early game votes tend to be more reachy. Vinyl. was so to almost a comedic degree (voting off a confirmation), yours was a bit more legit, and now I've reached a wagon I'm actually comfortable with seeing to the end in 194. I hope that makes sense and helps you to understand where I was coming from.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yea I understand that early game is confusing, and practically requires you to reach. That's why RVS happens. you trying to artificially remove us from RVS doesn't mean everything just suddenly becomes clear and real.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes it does, look what happened. I went right to serious accusations and then none of the votes were joking. Reaching is better than a joke that nobody can get anything out of, in my humble opinion. I would take a wagon on me that I have to get invested in the game to work off over several pages of random shenanigans any day.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

The only difference is that people's random pushes feel serious. While that's a good thing (the pressure of having a real push on you is more motivating than an RVS one), it doesn't make them any less random or misguided. It just changes people's perception of it. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it doesn't cure everything that's wrong with early game.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

the fact that i do exactly the same thing as you accused me of doing on you so shamelessly on 194 is almost the only legitimate reason behind someone having a town read on me.

Also: 2You people voting 194: Who is his scum mate and based off what ? I especially want Bardull's thoughts on this

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

which is not to say i was sheeping Bardull, as i actually was planning to go toward 194 once all the joker stuff was cleared up. It just so happened he went there first.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

^Relevance of above post: By all the joker stuff, i mean the enormous amount of crap that went down immediately and during my tunnel of tako/ joker. Whether or not it was cleared as town based wrt to all that stuff was independent of my push on 194.

 

[Pyra]

Well, sorry for being inactive. I really am- so much stuff sprung up suddenly that I wasn't expecting. Now, for example, I'm on my waay to the emergency room for something that happened to me (don't worry).

Itss best that I /replace . I wanted to play this so badly but eh. I don't want to hold up the game. Maybe next time folks.

 

[John2k4]

I'll contact Orb for replacement after class. Hope everything turns out okay for you, Toasty.

Orb contacted; waiting to hear back from him.

 

[BSP]

I'm not liking how Vinyl dropped his vote on Tako immediately after the initial Mason claim and didn't proceed to question it or anything. Did you really believe him that fast Vinyl?

 

[BarDulL]

 

[sneakytako]

I counter claim the Mason claim!

Nah not really.

But don't reveal your partner right now, that's scums problem right now.

Does anyone else feel funny about this post?

I feel like RR wanted to CC me, but knew it would be a bad idea.

If he was town, the only reason why he would want to lie about CC would be to have me lynched because he doesn't like my play, but later on he states that he feels I'm a dumb town.

But if he was scum, he would have loved to CC me and get away with it, but the fact that my partner would CC prevented him from making that mistake. I feel like he may have let his emotions/greed get the better of him here.

But maybe he was being ironic, he did say he was drinking.

 

[BarDulL]

Does anyone else feel funny about this post?

I feel like RR wanted to CC me, but knew it would be a bad idea.

If he was town, the only reason why he would want to lie about CC would be to have me lynched because he doesn't like my play, but later on he states that he feels I'm a dumb town.

But if he was scum, he would have loved to CC me and get away with it, but the fact that my partner would CC prevented him from making that mistake. I feel like he may have let his emotions/greed get the better of him here.

But maybe he was being ironic, he did say he was drinking.

If he knew it was a bad idea however, then he wouldn't have made a post that would make you think that he was considering CC'ing.

 

[BarDulL]

BTW, that's WIFOM. Wine-In-Front-Of-Me. Check it out on mafiascum.

 

[sneakytako]

Yeah I got it.

 

[BarDulL]

Feel like we should just hammer and move on.