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I will be visibly upset if it's anything other than the Kahuna battle theme.
That one's made for a Smash trailer.
That one's made for a Smash trailer.
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I love the Sun and Moon Elite 4 theme the most. Always listen to it on battle tree haha.Should Incineroar's "theme" (as in what plays in his trailers) be a remix of the E4 theme:
a remix of the Battle Royal theme:
a remix of Welcome to Alola:
or something else entirely?
We know there's a remix of the Trainer Battle theme from S/M, but should that be used for Incineroar....?
Well to be fair everyone is throwing Incineroar under the bus as he is the scapegoat for everyone's favorite and preferred character not getting in. Ken is also getting some slack (less cause rumored/leaked echo), but it's noticeable how savage people get when their favorites have a indication against them. In regards to my latest post, I simply said there was celebration in regards to Torracat being in the anime opening in the Lycanroc thread which is both tame on both you guy's side (not much demeaning Incineroar, just finding things to indicate he won't be picked) and my own as I simply said you guys were happy with the opening's potential to indicate Lycanroc over Incineroar. (didn't note any toxicity or anything like that!) So the only part that could be questioned is the "celebrating" part which I mean doesn't really indicate foul play but that you guys were excited Lycanroc may have another check on it's list of looking likely while Incineroar lacks it.Seems that you might need some cooling off, something has really griped you up.
I get that people have spat **** on your favorite character. It’s been everywhere, but that doesn’t mean you have throw everyone under the bus like that. Not to mention that we were we were only really discussing about a new opening that shows how Lycanroc was still getting a role in the anime despite others saying they won’t get anything afterward, and some casual talk. A certain someone here VexTheHex seems to have exaggerated that part a bit.
Yeah, just because of Ridley and K.Rool, every one is assuming that every newcomer is gonna be a fan favorite. I mean, if Incineroar is true, then that theory is clearly debunked... Besides, the highly requested characters are usually predictable and boring when they are revealed (at least in my opinion)... I like the surprises that Sakurai swings at us like Wii Fit Trrainer and Rosalina. They're fun and usually bring in some great move set potential... If Incineroar wasn't leaked, I would have been delightfully surprised at his reveal.Haha, good lord the Isaac thread is full of anti-Incineroar right now. I decided to not post there since it's pointless to go against mob mentality, but I surely will note that attitude down the line and remember to not support them.
For some reason people can't have negative thoughts on characters without condemning them as awful additions and spreading hate. I find both Isaac and Lycanroc for example extremely dull (mostly daytime Lycanroc) designs that leave a rather boring impression. Isaac could be most default build your protagonist or rancher/farmer in those type of games while Lycanroc is a wolf with some weird fluff. But I think both could be interesting in terms of move set and have their fans that would be happy. (well, that's Isaac's only claim to fame while Lycanroc has importance to Sun & Moon in addition)
I guess if that's the mood of the board I should go to the Shadow, Bandana Dee, and Mona thread and talk about how bad of an addition Isaac, Dixie, or Geno is? (not that I have that viewpoint, especially on Dixie)
Cause for some reason, that's perfectly cool to do with Incineroar.
Well to be fair everyone is throwing Incineroar under the bus as he is the scapegoat for everyone's favorite and preferred character not getting in. Ken is also getting some slack (less cause rumored/leaked echo), but it's noticeable how savage people get when their favorites have a indication against them. In regards to my latest post, I simply said there was celebration in regards to Torracat being in the anime opening in the Lycanroc thread which is both tame on both you guy's side (not much demeaning Incineroar, just finding things to indicate he won't be picked) and my own as I simply said you guys were happy with the opening's potential to indicate Lycanroc over Incineroar. (didn't note any toxicity or anything like that!) So the only part that could be questioned is the "celebrating" part which I mean doesn't really indicate foul play but that you guys were excited Lycanroc may have another check on it's list of looking likely while Incineroar lacks it.
I agree in general with the ballot point. I think it did play a factor in the choices, but I also don't think cause the ballot had effect that everyone the Smash Board (tiny % of players) thinks should get in will actually get in. These people usually forget and underplay Waluigi, Lyn, Krystal, Takamaru, Toad, Bomberman, Ashley, and Zero. And even if all the picks are popular, they're still lots left that can fit that like Skull Kid, Dixie, Isaac, Banjo, Lip, Crash, Steve (with kids), and Shantae. Then there are other missing characters like Saki, Gardevoir, Kat & Ana, and Sable Prince that have been strangely absent as well. Obviously not all of these will get in.Yeah, just because of Ridley and K.Rool, every one is assuming that every newcomer is gonna be a fan favorite. I mean, if Incineroar is true, then that theory is clearly debunked... Besides, the highly requested characters are usually predictable and boring when they are revealed... I like the surprises that Sakurai swings at us like Wii Fit Trrainer and Rosalina. They're fun and usually bring in some great move set potential... If Incineroar wasn't leaked, I would have been delightfully surprised at his reveal.
Though honestly, it's kinda more fun to know about him now, that way everyone else can hamper their expectations. We're nearing the end of the hype train, and if past entries are anything to go by, the last few characters were never really hype reveals. After we got insane announcements like Snake, Pit, and Sonic in Brawl, we ended with... Olimar. Same with Smash 4. Started with pretty hype characters like Villager, Mega Man and PAC-MAN, and ended with Shulk. I'm not saying that Incineroar isn't hype worthy (He's my 4th most wanted character right now), but he isn't a character that many people had on their mind before Verg mentioned him, and that makes it even better imo..
Also, I honestly don't really want Isaac anyways, so...
Maybe if you don't like them. Tell that to the thousands of people who lost their minds over Ridley and K. Rool.Besides, the highly requested characters are usually predictable and boring when they are revealed...
Same applies to "not another Pokemon or Mario rep, that's boring" mentality that has been pretty frequent on here as of late. Funny enough it seems to have taken over "no more FE!!!" in terms of being the talk of the town.Maybe if you don't like them. Tell that to the thousands of people who lost their minds over Ridley and K. Rool.
I really dislike this "fan favorite characters are 'predictable' and thus boring" mindset. It's basically telling fans that their personal requests don't matter.
No harm done. I just rather not have any places be filled with hate, it can get tiresome and at the end, it doesn’t usually feel right and probably doesn’t matter. But is the Isaac thread really talking about Incineroar now?Haha, good lord the Isaac thread is full of anti-Incineroar right now. I decided to not post there since it's pointless to go against mob mentality, but I surely will note that attitude down the line and remember to not support them.
For some reason people can't have negative thoughts on characters without condemning them as awful additions and spreading hate. I find both Isaac and Lycanroc for example extremely dull (mostly daytime Lycanroc) designs that leave a rather boring impression. Isaac could be most default build your protagonist or rancher/farmer in those type of games while Lycanroc is a wolf with some weird fluff. But I think both could be interesting in terms of move set and have their fans that would be happy. (well, that's Isaac's only claim to fame while Lycanroc has importance to Sun & Moon in addition)
I guess if that's the mood of the board I should go to the Shadow, Bandana Dee, and Mona thread and talk about how bad of an addition Isaac, Dixie, or Geno is? (not that I have that viewpoint, especially on Dixie)
Cause for some reason, that's perfectly cool to do with Incineroar.
Well to be fair everyone is throwing Incineroar under the bus as he is the scapegoat for everyone's favorite and preferred character not getting in. Ken is also getting some slack (less cause rumored/leaked echo), but it's noticeable how savage people get when their favorites have a indication against them. In regards to my latest post, I simply said there was celebration in regards to Torracat being in the anime opening in the Lycanroc thread which is both tame on both you guy's side (not much demeaning Incineroar, just finding things to indicate he won't be picked) and my own as I simply said you guys were happy with the opening's potential to indicate Lycanroc over Incineroar. (didn't note any toxicity or anything like that!) So the only part that could be questioned is the "celebrating" part which I mean doesn't really indicate foul play but that you guys were excited Lycanroc may have another check on it's list of looking likely while Incineroar lacks it.
That is what my comments were intended in the first place.Don't ever again drag me into a thread and lecture me to calm down just because you misinterpreted what I said being out of anger instead of being criticizing.
If there's one thing that really angers me, it's people feeling the need to tell me to "calm down" when I'm not even remotely being heated.
It's why I ignored what you had to say the first time, and it's why I am going to ignore your giant wall of text now.
You want to give rebuttal to the points?That is what my comments were intended in the first place.
My main point wasn’t to lecture you, my main point wasn’t to write a “calm down” statement. It was a responce to your criticisms.
You said things about Lycanroc I wanted to rebuttal, that is all and that is what I did. I didn’t want to spawn a flame war all of a sudden. If I did say something about it, it was just me commenting on the feeling I got reading them. But I’m willing to let bygones be bygones, I just wanted a little debate.
I’ll just comment on one last thing and I’m done, but if you’re going to just come out with “Don’t ever again drag me” statements and ignore what I say then
don’t say jack **** that makes you come off like that. You just come as being petty mind you-
You know, let’s just stop here. It really isn’t going anywhere.
I just want to point out that only a few people are even discussing Incineroar. The rest of us would be fine with him or just indifferent.Haha, good lord the Isaac thread is full of anti-Incineroar right now. I decided to not post there since it's pointless to go against mob mentality, but I surely will note that attitude down the line and remember to not support them.
Wait, that was you who drew that?Hello everyone, while I don't necessarily want Incineroar playable in Smash (I feel like there's too many starters already and would rather have Golisopod playable), I do like the character and is my favorite starter from the Alola trio. I even drew a pic of him in the Sugimori style back in 2016
Sorry about that, I think was a bit too vocal a while ago.Y'all can just like, not bring that stuff in this thread honestly. Stop caring what others think.
I prefer if we just talk about the character and not who hates the big cat.
You thought that gif was meant for you?You want to give rebuttal to the points?
Then just do so. Skip the lectures, the completely unnecessary "calm downs", and the pointless "breathe" gifs; they do absolutely no good (especially when you drag me into another thread and that's literally the first thing I see out of your post).
Go straight to the point.
That's literally all I'm trying to get through to you.
Now, do you want to try again for a proper debate? Or are you just content with trying to get the last word in and then saying "we should just stop"?
It wasn't meant for me?You thought that gif was meant for you?
Sure, I suppose we can try again. I didn’t get that’s what you meant up until now. I felt that since it was more based on another character rather than Incineroar, it didn’t feel well suited to discuss it here.
Either way, I’ll try to sum up my points soon.
Frankly I never really cared for the Chrom/Robin analogy being applied to the potential Gen 7 newcomers, even back when Decidueye was the 'Chrom' in the equation (yeah that was a thing for awhile).People acting like Incineroar is the Chrom when Incineroar is the Robin. With Lycanroc being the Chrom and Dusk being a slightly different Chrom.
Another thing to note is the whole "now-or-never" mentality that is applicable to Pokemon newcomers as once the window of opportunity for a Pokemon from the latest generation has closed-up, The Pokemon Company and Sakurai would move on to newer Pokemon.If I had to offer up one exception from this time, it would be for Pokémon. We knew there was going to be a new release soon, so we left one spot open for a new Pokémon, and everything else continued according to plan.
None of the Gen 7 Pokemon could have been outright known with certainty to be crowd-pleasers in December 2015 (Simon Belmont may not have been a ballot choice, but Sakurai didn't need the ballot to know a character like him would resonate with a lot of people within this fanbase), but then, given that Pokemon was made an exception for the Smash 4 project plan in terms of timing, Pokemon in general is treated very differently from other franchises (and really, Pokemon itself is a huge crowd-pleaser). The nature of Ultimate itself doesn't seem to lend itself to the idea of more low-key hype unique newcomers unlike with previous games.Yeah, just because of Ridley and K.Rool, every one is assuming that every newcomer is gonna be a fan favorite. I mean, if Incineroar is true, then that theory is clearly debunked...
Much like Fire Emblem Pokemon also has a new cast of characters every few years. So it's really a now or never for Incineroar or any other Gen 7 Pokemon due to them being unable to be echo fighters.In regards to the Incineroar hate, there is something to be noted when talking about Pokemon newcomers.
Whilst the concept of "slot stealing" doesn't obviously exist, a spot being reserved for a specific type of newcomer is something that we've known to be a thing, thanks to Sakurai's FE 25th anniversary interview:
Another thing to note is the whole "now-or-never" mentality that is applicable to Pokemon newcomers as once the window of opportunity for a Pokemon from the latest generation has closed-up, The Pokemon Company and Sakurai would move on to newer Pokemon.
With these things in mind (along with the multiple possible contenders with fanbase within one generation alone), I'm not really surprised Incineroar is getting hate mainly because of whatever Pokemon he isn't. If Decidueye or Lycanroc were the ones who were rumoured, they'd be the ones getting vocal hate too I feel.
None of the Gen 7 Pokemon could have been outright known with certainty to be crowd-pleasers in December 2015 (Simon Belmont may not have been a ballot choice, but Sakurai didn't need the ballot to know a character like him would resonate with a lot of people within this fanbase), but then, given that Pokemon was made an exception for the Smash 4 project plan in terms of timing, Pokemon in general is treated very differently from other franchises (and really, Pokemon itself is a huge crowd-pleaser). The nature of Ultimate itself doesn't seem to lend itself to the idea of more low-key hype unique newcomers unlike with previous games.
Incineroar himself doesn't contradict the theme of fanservice that we've seen with every non-echo newcomer, with even Echo Fighters like and being specifically in due to fan demand ( probably also got in due to fan demand). And that is ultimately because Pokemon has always been a special case in terms of newcomers (and let's be fair, it's not as if Incineroar is a character that "nobody likes").
Litten is my favorite, but I still love Incineroar a lot.Quick question to everyone. Is Incineroar you favorite of the litten evolution line? Sometimes I wonder how people would feel if it was Torracat that was getting into the game instead. Honestly, I could even get Litten and I would be ecstatic, I love the entire line.
I love them all, but I like Incin the most.Quick question to everyone. Is Incineroar you favorite of the litten evolution line? Sometimes I wonder how people would feel if it was Torracat that was getting into the game instead. Honestly, I could even get Litten and I would be ecstatic, I love the entire line.
That would be super crazy, and I would love it...It's a long shot, but....
....what if right after this Sunday's episode of Pokémon, there was a surprise trailer for Smash Ultimate....?
Wouldn't be the first time something for Pokémon had been announced right after an episode.....
Who says Incineroar isn't expressive?
Incineroar's Screen KO face confirmed.
If he makes the roster, damnit that better be his Screen KO look, or I'll be one sad kitty!
Not to mention we already have the Pyroar line for fire felines.Incineroar is probably my favorite of the three.
Torracat's kinda cute, but both it and Litten kinda come off as generic fire kitties to me. While Incineroar is a drastic departure from the previous two to the point of being disorienting, I like it more because it's more interesting as a concept and it has way more personality.
By the way, @GoldenYuiitusin, may I be added to the supporters list?