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[Seikishidan Soru]

Finally, a wavemasher who's honest about his vile play-style.

How is it "vile", exactly ?
You said earlier my post was besides the point, but you seem to keep that "intended move VS exploit" thing as a basis for your reasoning.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Don't feed the troll. He's another noob, don't bother explaining everything to him. Let this die.

 

[Zankoku]

Exactly that. You're blowing it out of proportion, but naturally you'll ignore this and continue to selectively read.




And I point and giggle at you when you start whining that you're still losing just as much because you think wavedashing really made the metagame in melee.
Not shffling.
Not ledge tactics.
Not DI.
Not shield tactics.
Not even dashdancing/cancelling
No let's completely toss all that out the window cuz they suck and blame wavedashing, since everything in the metagame is based off of that

Shut up. Keep arguing with someone who argues for the sole purpose of annoying others, and you'll find there's no way out of the lose-lose situation.

 

[Eltrotraw]

That wasn't my point and you know it. A "wavedasher" is someone who "wavedashes". A "non-wavedasher" is someone who "doesn't wavedash". I am a "doesn't wavedash". There is a "wavedashes" out there who I could beat even with his wavedashing. There also is a "wavedashes" who could beat me without wavedashing. I was just asking what your point was.

Oh really?

You're claiming that Wavedashing provided such an unfair advantage that you continue to talk about all advanced players as "wavedashers".

Good player != Wavedasher.

You can be good without wavedashing.

You can suck even with wavedashing.

Wavedashing is not as broken as you think.

 

[SmashChu]

sounds like someone's bitter that others knew how to wavedash when said someone couldn't.

do you really think those people need that stuff to win? you make it sound like you can win consistently against them without stuff like wavedashing.

Yes.
Someone on one of the impressions lost because he couldn't use the advance techniques from Melee. There are people out there that suck without wavedashing. They learned that, but not the frenetics of the game.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

"Never argue with an idiot. They only pull you down to their level and then win from experience."

I don't know if this is known in America. It's something everyone should memorize.

 

[IShotLazer]

-.-
"Smash wasn't meant to be played competitively, you're supposed to just pick up and play for fun!"
Ok, look, I play basketball and the sort(football yadayada...), and have fun with it. However, I know that there are techniques out there to fake people, team strategies and ADVANCED TACTICS. I can still have fun with it knowing someone out there can easily whomp my *** in ways I wouldn't even understand. So why is it any different with smash?

 

[jon_the_ferret]

Woah Woah WOAH!! I'm from england so if u read football on any of my posts it's what you americans call soccer and I am almost offended that you think they took a move using only your feet OUT of football. I'm pretty sure the move your talking about could be the Flip-Flop (probably the closest i can figure anyway, which is Ronaldinho's homebrewed move which has a silly name) and it DEFINATELY wasn't taken out of the game, I speak on behalf of noone but myself when i say don't talk about something unless you know what you're talking about ESPECIALLY FOOTBALL lol.

 

[shadydentist]

Yes.
Someone on one of the impressions lost because he couldn't use the advance techniques from Melee. There are people out there that suck without wavedashing. They learned that, but not the frenetics of the game.

There are exactly zero people who are good with wavedashing and terrible without.

 

[ZombieBite]

How is it "vile", exactly ?

You can be good without wavedashing.

You can suck even with wavedashing.

Which is probably why I said I could beat a certain person who wavedashes without wavedashing and lose to someone who uses wavedashing who doesn't wavedash in our battle.

I already showed alot of people through actual gameplay you really DON'T need advanced tactics to be good, but they help

And since you say wavedashing helps, it puts me at a disadvantage by not wavedashing, right?

 

[Deleted member]

The people who played brawl sucked because brawl is way different than melee(speed, floatiness, combos, mechanics) not because they couldnt use advanced techs.

 

[Zankoku]

And since you say wavedashing helps, it puts me at a disadvantage by not wavedashing, right?

Not if you're Bowser. Play Bowser. He gets better by not wavedashing with him.

 

[Engo]

You don't need wavedashing to get gimped.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Which is probably why I said I could beat a certain person who wavedashes without wavedashing and lose to someone who uses wavedashing who doesn't wavedash in our battle.



And since you say wavedashing helps, it puts me at a disadvantage by not wavedashing, right?

So if you're at a disadvatage by not WDing, why on earth don't you just learn WD?

Also, it's not a bug. You're just Air Dodging into the ground.

 

[kaibyaku]

lol flamebait.


*wavedash away from thread*

 

[jon_the_ferret]

And since you say wavedashing helps, it puts me at a disadvantage by not wavedashing, right?

Then wavedash...AMIRITE?!

 

[KAN]

Right. So what? Go, learn it! It's your own fault if you keep lying to yourself....

EDIT: Now that were quick replies. O_o

 

[nublet06]

Oh sweet Jesus I can't wait for Brawl, and yunno why? Besides the obvious tons of characters and stages and improved gameplay, they fixed some annoying bugs in Melee that allowed people, who exploited them, to have an advantage in battle against those who didn't exploit them.

I can't wait to beat down some wavedashers who can't get a grip on how the game is actually played until I teach them first hand online. They'll be like "but wuuuuuuuuh? i cant move twice as fast and chain simple air moves over and over again into ridiculous combos deeeeeeruuuuuuuuh???"

This'll be fun.

My name is ROFL

my wii number is 0477-0816-5897-0082

and i will gladly **** your sh*t when brawl comes out.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

lol flamebait.


*wavedash away from thread*

Well, of course it is. I wasn't even going to go into this thread, until it occured to me that I can raise my post count here. That's how low this thread is.

 

[jon_the_ferret]

I think this will be my last reply to this thread. The mystery has been solved...he doesn't dislike wavedashing he just hates that he can't and people use it to beat him....

 

[Deleted member]

So if you're at a disadvatage by not WDing, why on earth don't you just learn WD?

Also, it's not a bug. You're just Air Dodging into the ground.

Excactly. U are at a disadvantage by not jumping, u are at a disadvantage by not attacking, u are at a disadvantage by not shielding... THEY ARE PARTS OF THE GAME! Wavedashing, though the developers probably never thought it would be useful, is a technique! GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. Forget that it was not meant by its creators to be used like this, even though they obviously knew about it, and think of it like jumping. Then think how stupid it sounds: "I am at a disadvantage by not jumping, correct?" Excactly (though i doubt this will get it through ur skull.)

 

[rsc_390]

1. For those of you saying this game is not meant to be competitive, who cares? As long as someone doesn't make an *** out of themselves (like being a sore loser or making disparaging comments when winning) why not let them be competitive? I know that much of my love for this game is trying to think up new ways to apply a certain move or technique in competitive play.

You say that the game is meant to be played for fun; but I think that Smash is most fun when played competitively.

2. Zombie, you're clearly competitive (since you're excited to beat down on those WDers). If you care so much about winning, and you REALLY think that WDing is the difference between winning and losing (which I assure you it isn't for most people that play you), then go ahead, take the time and learn it so that you can get rid of the advantage everyone else has over you.

3. Finally, this is BRAWL. This isn't MELEE WITHOUT WAVEDASHING. If you were to compare everyone's ranking now (if we all had rankings) to after Brawl was out for a while, it'd be radically different. I bet there are pros now who won't be able to adjust (or won't put the effort into adjusting), and there'll be random *** kids who'll turn into pros.

What i'm saying is, you can't assume anything. Even if WDing IS the reason everyone's beating you, the lack of WDing in Brawl doesn't necessarily mean anything because its a DIFFERENT GAME.

 

[IShotLazer]

Which is probably why I said I could beat a certain person who wavedashes without wavedashing and lose to someone who uses wavedashing who doesn't wavedash in our battle.



And since you say wavedashing helps, it puts me at a disadvantage by not wavedashing, right?

When you can simply stop being ignorant and learn it... It's a 2 button combo... really it's not hard.
It's not unfair, so I don't see where you are arguing at. It barely makes a person better anyway, plus if you're dumb with the technique it's going to make you worse instead of better. Just because someone can wavedash doesn't make them win the game. Aniki actually won a game with a mid-tier character vs. Ken's marth. Aniki can wavedash by the way, er just doesn't just because he finds better things to do instead (and well most of us can agree that well.... apparently he does because he is a well known pro), but he still plays smash as competitivly as he can.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I think this will be my last reply to this thread. The mystery has been solved...he doesn't dislike wavedashing he just hates that he can't and people use it to beat him....

There was never a mystery. He is a simple noob, that's all. Why don't you stay and spam some, like me?

 

[jon_the_ferret]

Haha spamming it is Witchking...i actually have more question to ask about what kind of football he plays...he thinks the Flip-Flop was banned. He either doesn't know what he's talking about or he's just a complete ****

 

[ZombieBite]

why on earth don't you just learn WD?

Then wavedash...AMIRITE?!

Right. So what? Go, learn it!

But see, I won't have to anymore. I've resisted learning the technique this long and now my comfortableness with a non-wavedashing game-style is paying off and I'm happy.

And no, I shouldn't be forced to learn how to wavedash to combat wavedashers. Wavedashers will now have to learn how to not wavedash to combat me. Which is how it should be.

 

[MR.WIGZ]

this is brawl not melee, the "wavedashers" will feel ackward playing the game at first but eventually will play better than the average person at brawl....

all those "non-competive" players will have too face facts that new techniques will be found, and you will be at a disadvantage again.

I know how to wavedash but I do not consider myself a competitive player, I just took five minutes of my time to learn how to wavedash.....

I understand what you mean though Zombiebite, I do sometimes wish that advanced techniques were not discovered. I feel that they took some of the fun out of melee....

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Haha spamming it is Witchking...i actually have more question to ask about what kind of football he plays...he thinks the Flip-Flop was banned. He either doesn't know what he's talking about or he's just a complete ****

He said that he was assuming it was banned for the point of the analogy, which is just dumb because it ruins the whole analogy.

 

[jon_the_ferret]

But see, I won't have to anymore. I've resisted learning the technique this long and now my comfortableness with a non-wavedashing game-style is paying off and I'm happy.

And no, I shouldn't be forced to learn how to wavedash to combat wavedashers. Wavedashers will now have to learn how to not wavedash to combat me. Which is how it should be.

I actually laughed when you put this up!
AND ANSWER MY FOOTBALL(soccer) QUESTION!

 

[jon_the_ferret]

I get it now Witchking...it was just lame and didn't make sense and now i hate him even more

 

[Zankoku]

He hasn't replied to any of my posts yet. I feel neglected.

 

[ZombieBite]

Wavedashing, though the developers probably never thought it would be useful, is a technique! GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD.

And now the developers have noticed it and removed it. What does that tell you about wavedashing?

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

ZombieHead or ZombieBite, whatever your name is, you still haven't answered to the reasont that WD isn't a glitch/bug.

Also, the point of learning WD is not to "combat WDers" , but simply to get better. You learn to recover not to combat people that do so, but to simply get better.

And now the developers have noticed it and removed it. What does that tell you about wavedashing?

Also, the devs didn't "remove" it. It is simply not possible for most characters now because Air Dodges go the way you are going. And peach can still WD.

 

[ZombieBite]

He hasn't replied to any of my posts yet. I feel neglected.

Sorry, you're just too calm to exploit your pent-up anger and make you lash out.

But in reference to your Bowser post, I hear he's sweet in Brawl, can't wait to try him out.

 

[ZombieBite]

ZombieHead or ZombieBite, whatever your name is, you still haven't answered to the reasont that WD isn't a glitch/bug.

It's "bite" at the end.

And wavedashing is a glitch/bug and has been fixed in the latest installment of this series.

 

[Fawriel]

Threads like this are picture book example of everything that is wrong with the world.

 

[jon_the_ferret]

Sorry, you're just too calm to exploit your pent-up anger and make you lash out.

But in reference to your Bowser post, I hear he's sweet in Brawl, can't wait to try him out.

Kiss *** alert....
I have no pent up anger infact I was trying to be nice at the start but you destroyed that by being .... "special"

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

It's "bite" at the end.

And wavedashing is a glitch/bug and has been fixed in the latest installment of this series.

You aren't backing yourself up with any reasons whatsoever, so I'll just be blunt and say that your (nonexistant) arguments are inferior to mine. Get something to support your claim, and come back. Until then, I've won the argument. At least read my post.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Why has everyone been feeding this troll for 8 pages..?

 

[Eltrotraw]

eh, Angoku had a point there on me.

He's ignoring the posts simply because he doesn't really have a good reply for any of them.

As mentioned before, it's just simply that many players think that their way of playing the game is the ONLY way...

However, intentionally putting yourself at a disadvantage will not give you more kudos than you'd expect. I've seen people do that before and expected to get more praise on it.