Bug found - Bug removed!

[Smo]

And all wavedashing does is makes you faster, harder to hit, and more tricky?

Ok, Wavedashing makes me harder to hit.
Get better at hitting then.

Wavedashers won't be wavedashers anymore. Unless you mean people who seek out and exploit glitches, and yes, I'm sure they'll find some new ones.

People who wavedash do not seek out and exploit glitches. They play super smash brothers. If they find a technique that works to their advantage, they use it. Simple as.

Sorry if it seems like I'm being "harsh" and insulting, but you insulted me. When you make a topic on Smash World Forums, respect people who it concerns.
Otherwise these people will hate you.


And that's strange... something intelligent posted on /v/?

 

[Eltrotraw]

all zombie's argument seems to be is that "Wavedashing is broken, it broke Melee and I'm glad it's gone in Brawl".

Dude.

You realize shffling(short hop + fast fall + l-cancel) is more vital to advanced play than wavedashing?

You should be whining about shffling instead rather than wavedashing, but oh wait, wavedashing broke melee, let's continue to complain about it and conveniently ignore all the logical arguments.

 

[Deleted member]

I like that chart, very accurate. this thread needs closing. All you noobs who are "anti-wavedashers", go to gamefaqs or something, most people on smashboards already hate u and they will continue to hate u until they meet u online and beat u, and u will feel sorry that u ever questioned their authority! MUAHAHAHAA... ok.

 

[ZombieBite]

Ok, Wavedashing makes me harder to hit.
Get better at hitting then.


People who wavedash do not seek out and exploit glitches. They play super smash brothers. If they find a technique that works to their advantage, they use it. Simple as.

Sorry if it seems like I'm being "harsh" and insulting, but you insulted me. When you make a topic on Smash World Forums, respect people who it concerns.
Otherwise these people will hate you.

Oh no, it's cool, I'm intentionally being as annoying as I can.

But back to the discussion, wouldn't you say you being harder to hit is a pretty big advantage? I mean, sure, I could "get better at hitting", but your advantage is obviously still there. And now it's gone, so I'm rejoicing while I imagine a lot of the community is crying.

 

[jon_the_ferret]

What did you expect?
THIS IS SMASHBOARDS!!!!!!!!

I lol'd into a coughing fit haha I'm Ill

 

[Zankoku]

Telling noobs to go to GameFAQs is like sending Metroids to an ice planet with promises of candy and phazon.

 

[Crispy4001]

Who needs wavedashing when you have L canceling.

Let the tears of blood run down the cheeks of scrubs.

 

[ZombieBite]

all zombie's argument seems to be is that "Wavedashing is broken, it broke Melee and I'm glad it's gone in Brawl".

Dude.

You realize shffling(short hop + fast fall + l-cancel) is more vital to advanced play than wavedashing?

You should be whining about shffling instead rather than wavedashing, but oh wait, wavedashing broke melee, let's continue to complain about it and conveniently ignore all the logical arguments.

shffling is completely intentional. Wavedashing is obviously, even from just looking at it, an exploit. This is a wavedashing discussion, not an L-cancel (put in the game) technique thread.

 

[Sandwich]

Whai Is This Thread Still Alive
Mic, Gimpy, Stop Bein' All Lazy

 

[Eltrotraw]

But back to the discussion, wouldn't you say you being harder to hit is a pretty big advantage?

I imagine if you continue charging forward the same way, you'll get punished regardless. Either via wavedash or sheildgrab or shffl out of shield.

Notice wavedash is one of the options and not the only thing you could possibly do out of it.

I mean, sure, I could "get better at hitting", but your advantage is obviously still there.

Wavedashing is not as broken as you'd like to think it is.

And now it's gone, so I'm rejoicing while I imagine a lot of the community is crying.

So what about that other complaint you had about finding more "glitches" in Brawl?

 

[Monshou_no_Nazo]

I'm tired of "exploiting" being such a taboo thing. Video game mastery has always been centered around finding "neat little tricks" that help ace the game. For example, mastering the original Pac-Man arcade game involved simply memorizing the pattern that ghosts moved, because the ghosts had non-randomized waypoints, allowing there to be a paths that Pac-Man could take every single time that completed levels without being touched, and could be done as the game continued to progress.

 

[Eltrotraw]

shffling is completely intentional. Wavedashing is obviously, even from just looking at it, an exploit. This is a wavedashing discussion, not an L-cancel (put in the game) technique thread.

Oh? You also have selective reading?

Wavedashing is not as vital to the game as SHFFLing.

I think your "brain" has trouble comprehending that.

 

[_X_]

I'm going to make this as simple as possible for everyone.

People who played Melee and though they were 'good' but didn't wavedash either:

A) Couldn't

B) Could but poorly

C) Could but with poor under standing of it's uses in improving meta game and an inability to use it effectively battle.

People who don't use advances tacts can't survive on tournament level of play, it's not possible. Hence you were bad Melee players and will most likely be poor Brawl players.

I'm guessing most of you "non-wavedashers" couldn't be botheds even attempting to try advanced techs or tried for 10 minutes, found it was too hard and in you defense claimed it was for some ******** 'ethical' reasons that you "decided" not to wavedash. Big deal, no one cares if you don't like being good at things.

Might as well not use the jump button as wavedashing is just as acceptable.

You ph4il @ Smash.

 

[Seikishidan Soru]

All you say is that it doesn't matter if it was intended or not and justify your use of it, which is beside the point. Are you saying it doesn't give you a sizable advantage?

Wasn't that part of your argument too ? You were the one to mention the way the game is, according to you, "actually played", implying that one shouldn't WD even though the move is technically possible in Melee.

To answer your question : wavedashing does indeed give me an advantage over someone who doesn't use it, which doesn't mean that I'd always win against such a player, but I do believe that a player who's better than me without WD, no matter how hard he pwns me, would whoop my *** even harder if he did use WD.

So yeah, WD does give me an advantage. Duh, I wouldn't use it otherwise.
Why are you acting like there is anything wrong with having such an advantage ?

 

[rexpro02]

I retract my statement. Play Smash how you like.

I suppose if your entire goal is to play to win, then everyone that wants to keep up with you either has to put up, or shut up.

But I will play Smash casually, and have more fun doing it! <-(Personal opinion, don't flame)

that adrenaline u get playing a good macth with ur friends is multiplied x100 when playing in tournaments....

I'm just eager to not be at an automatic disadvantage when playing Brawl against those who wavedash. It's like I'm punished by not exploiting a bug, and before it was justified by the fact that "they kept it in", but obviously now "it's been removed" so wavedashers are left out bumbling about without footing.

man this guy is so fraking hilarious

See, look at that sentence. It's like you're trying to downplay wavedashing but can't come up with something that doesn't sound like a huge advantage. Oh yes, we're all able to play the game without wavedashing? No way! And all wavedashing does is makes you faster, harder to hit, and more tricky? Well gee.

"You are the one who is not smart enough who thinks that without wavedashing all the pros like Ken, KDJ, M2K and PC Chris will be below you once WDing gone."

Yeah, I think I can beat the pros, that's what I was getting at.

god i lov this... is like an early christmas present... beating guys like him is almost as good as win a tournament match

plsssss give me ur wii number.. i cant wait to play with u XD

 

[jon_the_ferret]

I don't get why the exclusion of wavedashing really needs a whole thread...let alone started by someone who is glad it's gone. Maybe a thread dedicated to a quaint little goodbye or something but surely this is just kicking people when they are down.

 

[ZombieBite]

I imagine if you continue charging forward the same way, you'll get punished regardless. Either via wavedash or sheildgrab or shffl out of shield.

Notice wavedash is one of the options and not the only thing you could possibly do out of it.

Wavedashing is not as broken as you'd like to think it is.

So what about that other complaint you had about finding more "glitches" in Brawl?

I mean, you keep saying wavedashing isn't that important, not that broken, and generally try to downplay it but the advantage it provides those who do it against those who don't do it is there. We can argue about how much of an advantage it is or the options you have to neutralize it, but the basic point I'm making is this: since I chose not to wavedash, I was at a disadvantage against wavedashers. Since it's gone in Brawl, I'm happy.

 

[shadydentist]

oh sweet jesus, the op is wrong in so many ways.

If you were terrible when wavedashing was in the game, you're still gonna be terrible with wavedashing removed. For the last time: being good at this game means putting in the effort to learn the tricks of the game. Brawl will have different tricks than melee. Its that simple.

 

[Monshou_no_Nazo]

but the basic point I'm making is this: since I chose not to wavedash, I was at a disadvantage against wavedashers. Since it's gone in Brawl, I'm happy.

No offense, but that sounds pretty selfish.

 

[Samochan]

This thread is fail and he's a troll, he admited it himself. >_> So close thread and stop feeding trolls m'kay?

 

[Zankoku]

I mean, you keep saying wavedashing isn't that important, not that broken, and generally try to downplay it but the advantage it provides those who do it against those who don't do it is there. We can argue about how much of an advantage it is or the options you have to neutralize it, but the basic point I'm making is this: since I chose not to wavedash, I was at a disadvantage against wavedashers. Since it's gone in Brawl, I'm happy.

Dashdancing is still in. I'm happy too, because it makes me just as hard to get hit by people who don't know how to be patient.

 

[Deleted member]

The only reason im a little upset about no wavedashing is cuz i worked hard implementing it into my game, but my hard work wont matter in brawl. Oh well, i guess that means ill have to spend my entire life looking for exploits to be cheap and make people feel bad.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Dude, if someone beats you in smash it just means that you are worse than him/her.

 

[Sandwich]

/v/, right now, is having a laughing seizure.

 

[Eltrotraw]

the basic point I'm making is this: since I chose not to wavedash, I was at a disadvantage against wavedashers. Since it's gone in Brawl, I'm happy.

and you still fail to comprehend my point:

Even without wavedashing you're still going to get rocked. hard.

 

[ZombieBite]

Oh? You also have selective reading?

Wavedashing is not as vital to the game as SHFFLing.

I think your "brain" has trouble comprehending that.

Sure, but what's your point?

So yeah, WD does give me an advantage. Duh, I wouldn't use it otherwise.
Why are you acting like there is anything wrong with having such an advantage ?

I'm not going to argue for or against using it in Melee (I've chosen not to for various reasons), I'm just glad it's gone in Brawl. And I point and giggle at the people who'll lament it's lose.

 

[ZombieBite]

and you still fail to comprehend my point:

Even without wavedashing you're still going to get rocked. hard.

Rocked by who? I mean, I'm sure there are players who wavedash that I would be able to beat even with their wavedashing, correct? And I'm sure there are players who would be able to "rock" me even without wavedashing, right?

 

[IShotLazer]

Actually... for those who should know.
Smash brothers was meant to be competitive.
It is easy to make a game easy to play and not be competitive because its probably going to be unbalanced.
Easy point,
Smash brothers along with Starcraft and halo (both being competitive games) goes through YEARS of balance testing. I wonder why? Hm...
Oh yes, I know! To make it a balanced competitive game.
Further more, why would they even bother making updates for a game if it wasn't supposed to be competitive (think how sports rules are constantly being updated because of loop holes or other tricks)?

 

[Drclaw411]

When you are being bounced around in the air, unable to hit ground until you land on somebody smash attacking you or somehting, it is called: THOU SHALT NOT LAND!

 

[ZombieBite]

Oh well, i guess that means ill have to spend my entire life looking for exploits to be cheap and make people feel bad.

Finally, a wavemasher who's honest about his vile play-style.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Lets say someone discovered a move in soccer that wasn't really intuitive. Lets say this move let the person roll the ball over their foot to make it look like it would go one direction, only to quickly change that direction and fake the defender out. Should we ban this move just because it wasn't intended to be a part of the game at first and not everyone is capable of performing it from the get go?

PS: Such a move does exist in soccer, and wasn't really used 30 years ago.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey zombie, could i have your wii #, cuz i really want to see how much better u will be than me when there is no more wavedashing. Actually nvm. Someone close this thread please. Or at least edit this guys posts like sinma did to mine on the ness boards (curse u sinma).

 

[Eltrotraw]

I mean, I'm sure there are players who wavedash that I would be able to beat even with their wavedashing, correct?

You're an idiot for categorizing smash players into wavedashers and non-wavedashers, you know. You missed that point as well.

 

[jon_the_ferret]

I don't get what the Troll is complaining about if you hate people having an advantage over you by using some sort of "exploit", as u put it, why not just use it?! AND worst of all not that your inability to wavedash doesn't deserve a thread < sarcasm > they now have gotten rid of wavedashing so congratulations on the awful thread and i look forward to flaming you in the future.

 

[Deleted member]

Finally, a wavemasher who's honest about his vile play-style.

Lol, i wasnt sure if u were sarcastic or not, cuz i was. sorry for the double post.

 

[Tony_]

I love the hypocrasy. "Smash wasn't meant to be played competitively, you're supposed to just pick up and play for fun!"

Then shut up and enjoy being owned by wavedashers. If you're taking it so seriously that you join a forum to complain about how much you hate being beaten by wavedashers then, guess what, YOU'RE PLAYING COMPETITIVELY!

We're talking about Brawl, not Melee. People join this fourm to have fun and discuss smash, not go all arrogant like some tourney players do. Not all of us play smash competitivley, yet use AT's. Hell, some causals use AT's and they don't play competitivley.

 

[ZombieBite]

Hey zombie, could i have your wii #, cuz i really want to see how much better u will be than me when there is no more wavedashing

Sure, it's 3436473453753858.

PS: Such a move does exist in soccer, and wasn't really used 30 years ago.

Yeah, and then it was made illegal and taken out of the game.

At least for the analogy's sake.

You're an idiot for categorizing smash players into wavedashers and non-wavedashers, you know. You missed that point as well.

That wasn't my point and you know it. A "wavedasher" is someone who "wavedashes". A "non-wavedasher" is someone who "doesn't wavedash". I am a "doesn't wavedash". There is a "wavedashes" out there who I could beat even with his wavedashing. There also is a "wavedashes" who could beat me without wavedashing. I was just asking what your point was.

 

[IShotLazer]

Also all advanced tactics are NOT cheap.
You really need to quite complaining.
I already showed alot of people through actual gameplay you really DON'T need advanced tactics to be good, but they help,(you can just use one move over again without advanced tactics and win solely because you can have better reflexes and/or knowledge of the game) there is really no point in not learning them unless your lazy... in which case don't complain to the people who weren't lazy and learned them, it's your fault.
Another easy example. If you did track and you heard of an easier way to power run around corners, possibly some technique, would you bother to learn it? Hell yes you would, you want to be able to run faster and perform better! Just because it's deeper than what you solely SEE doesn't mean its evil or unfair.

 

[Eltrotraw]

Sure, but what's your point?

Exactly that. You're blowing it out of proportion, but naturally you'll ignore this and continue to selectively read.

I'm not going to argue for or against using it in Melee (I've chosen not to for various reasons), I'm just glad it's gone in Brawl. And I point and giggle at the people who'll lament it's lose.

And I point and giggle at you when you start whining that you're still losing just as much because you think wavedashing really made the metagame in melee.
Not shffling.
Not ledge tactics.
Not DI.
Not shield tactics.
Not even dashdancing/cancelling
No let's completely toss all that out the window cuz they suck and blame wavedashing, since everything in the metagame is based off of that

 

[ph00tbag]

*sigh*

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=117905&highlight=wavedash

Wavedashing != winners. You would still lose to a guy like Ripple. Especially with the attitude that wavedashing is all you need.

I dunno why I keep reading the Brawl forums. This place is so filled with ignorant people I feel myself getting dumber as I read.