Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[adumbrodeus]

Words cannot express...

re-read

July's big post is setting me up for a lynch based on 'mechanics' (I use this term loosely) - so when I die, she takes no responsibility for my flip. Also, as "one of us has to be scum" as "two RB's is ridiculous" - surely Asdioh will be lynched tomorrow. If he too is town, you're left in a terrible situation because you followed 'mechanics'.

...

Pushing the possibility of two town RBs.

Either Asdioh is also town RB, or is scum. If the latter, lynching me is utterly ********. If the former (and he is town RB) we know the busdriver targetted me. If the busdriver targetted me - we know I can't be scum as no townie has claimed redirector.

The ONLY way I can be scum is if the scum redirector isn't me, but my remaining (assumign 3 scum) scummate, who then targetted Sokr and Swords, when I RB'd.

Ignoring the fact that trackers track the visit as opposed to the submitted target.

@Adum: You say that Swiss' Night actions prove he is not mafia; does that mean you think Asdioh is the one responsible for the Swords rb and thus mafia?

That assumes that swiss actually has the ability to RB which I'm actually wondering about now.

Indy with multiple one-shots is possible, but he didn't claim RB until after sokr did. Given the missing nk d1, mafia and sokr targetting the same person is an easy conclusion.


But taking a second readthrough I think I was wrong that night actions prove it, I just don't see swiss-mafia as reasonable based on his play and night actions.

I've calmed down.

Found out this morning I lost out on a £2,400 (my commission) deal. But Adum I stick by what I said, even if I rushed it.

Swiss, I don't like the idea that you could've played me that hard but your recent posts just read really really off. I just don't know anymore.


If you're town, give me something to show it so we can wreck face.

 

[July]

@Swiss: Meh, I didn't think it was a bad thing you got all fiery, you brought up some good points. It's just I'm trying to weigh you and Asdioh and your claims and your play and the set-up possibilities and make sense of all of it, which is complicated by the fact that I had a strong town read on Asdioh and a town lean on you before all this.

Need to get away from this and actually do work for a little bit.

 

[felipe_9595]

Or July's a ninja/adum got redirected :3

We have so many possibilities.

@Felipe: I've never seen a combat medic in a game on here before. We already know that Sokr has a kill, he's proven that with the RR kill. He claims he can either Protect or Kill at Night, and the killing part at least is proven. Basically, he's pretty much confirmed town... unless we happen to lynch 3 mafia, and the game doesn't end, in which case he's probably indy. He seems too open to be indy to me though, despite the strange indy speculation he's done throughout the game.


Hey Kantrip, as much as I want to lynch Swiss or Adum, what about John? He could be vigged I suppose, but Sokr is a prime target to be nightkilled or roleblocked. (which leaves you open to use your gunsmith ability on someone else, such as me)
Having both John and Felipe here doing practically nothing is making me nervous. I can see them both being noob/apathetic town, but it's kind of painful.

I asked for a replace 30 pages ago. I am in the middle of somthing big and thats why i asked to be replaced. I didnt want to keep playing

 

[Swiss]

If you're town, give me something to show it so we can wreck face.

Do you take cheques?

FOOD. THEN READ.

THEN BLAMMO.

I'MMA POST.

I'MMA PIN EVERYTHIN'

 

[Swiss]

Your flailing shotgun approach to defending yourself makes me think you're not town though.

Or town that just lost almost £2.5k.

Yeah, stings.

You know better then to think a tracker would get you visiting the person you initially targeted as opposed to the person you actually visited.

Hold my hands up to ****ing that up. Though I can blame just wanting to vent and being rushed as opposed to being bad at mafia. Swiss2gud.

The two town roleblockers you were functioning on before was just retardedly stupid given that if there's one role that muddies the waters, it's roles that interfere with other roles. Seriously, multiple town roleblockers dude?

....yes

While you eventually did point out that three roleblockers was stupid, it was you pushing the possibility of two town roleblockers when night actions heavily suggest a scum roleblocker (and then you acted like other people were suggesting it, nice).

When did I in all seriousness suggest 3? I do not see this.

Here you say two RB'ers, one of which must be scum. You KNOW what i did N1, disregarding all that redirection jazz, since NAR. So you know there's either a 3rd Rb (which you yourself say is dumb) or Asdioh is scum. I assume Asdioh is town to you.

You read as tossing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks.

Sweetcorn? Lol teh jokah Swiss.

Back to srs Swiss.

That assumes that swiss actually has the ability to RB which I'm actually wondering about now.

It's a proveable PR. I'll prove it.

Indy with multiple one-shots is possible, but he didn't claim RB until after sokr did. Given the missing nk d1, mafia and sokr targetting the same person is an easy conclusion.

Not much I can say to this. It would be odd play.

But taking a second readthrough I think I was wrong that night actions prove it, I just don't see swiss-mafia as reasonable based on his play and night actions.

Yes boi.

Swiss, I don't like the idea that you could've played me that hard but your recent posts just read really really off. I just don't know anymore.

Let's face it, there's always going to be the possiblity and paranoia that I'm somehow scum. Agree my posts this morning were bad. But I actually raised some fair points, albeit in a violent, vulgar and unreasonable manner.

If you're town, give me something to show it so we can wreck face.

Did I do good?

Gonna trip whip up some when I get home. Unlikely I'll be posting more at work today since **** hit the fan.

 

[Swiss]

^ Not as useful as I'd hoped. But I enjoyed writing that.

 

[Sokr]

Have we at all considered the possibility that both Swiss and Asdioh are both telling the truth and that one of the VT's are actually a scum bus driver/re-director? I personally don't see either Swiss or Asdioh as scum currently. The scum team I'm seeing right now is actually RR/Adum/July.
The scumJuly would make sense if both RB's are town seeing as she's trying so hard to push a RB lynch which, if she were scum, she would know is a mislynch. I also recall her trying to clear adum just like RR was, but I'm too pressed for time to bring up the relevant posts.

 

[Asdioh]

big post

Well, it's something I've considered: Swiss crumbed and claimed town roleblocker, completely not expecting there to actually BE a town roleblocker because it's rare. I kind of thought scumSwiss would be smarter than that, though. I think it's safe to say that he's a roleblocker of some sort. Also don't forget this: if you think Adum is town, then he tracked Swiss N1 and saw him visit Sokr. I roleblocked nobody. Who roleblocked Sword?
If you think Swiss is scum roleblocker, then Adum practically has to be his partner because he lied about his tracking ability, unless scum has another role such as jailer.

Regardless Felipe is very possible, and if swiss isn't scum then asdioh is pretty much guaranteed. It's also possible that swiss himself got roleblocked if scum thought they read a PR on him and RR sent in the kill.

Or I got RBed and John sent in the kill, etc.




http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13768250&postcount=1385
Makes sense to me, and that's what I was just saying.

Swiss... are you an indy?

No, he hasn't been playing nearly survivalistic enough. I haven't noticed anybody doing so, in fact.

WHAT CONCLUSION DOES THIS GIVE YOU!??

Asdioh, answers.

In the process of reading. Why activity always dies down when I'm here to play, and why there is a lot of activity when I'm at work or sleeping at 4 AM, I'll never know.

I'll answer this line by line:

Can we agree there aren't 3 Rb'ers? Yes.

Nope, I personally would find it hilariously wonderful if there were 3 RBs total in a game.

Can we agree no townie has lied in their claim? Yes.

Yes.

Can we agree I RB'd Sokr N1? Yes.

UnLESS Adum is your scummate, but then again claiming to RB Sokr before actually knowing if he has a confirmable role would be stupid.
So actually, I believe you there.

Can we agree there is an unnacounted RB on Swords N1? Yes.

Yes.

Can we agree that RB can't come from a town source as no-one will admit it? Yes.

Yes.

The only unnacounted RB action is confirmed to not be me, Someone who has a RB ability has bene proved to be lying. It has been proved to not be me. Why then, am I your top RB suspect, when all evidence (including my RB play by your OWN admission) implies or confirms it cannot be me.

Ok, Adum and Swiss both say Swiss RBed Sokr. This would be stupid to crumb and then claim if it were a lie, because they didn't know Sokr's role, and he might have been able to catch them both lying. Swords was roleblocked, and here are the only conclusions I can draw:
-Someone besides Swiss or I did it.
-Gova's been trolling me this whole time and "no action" actually results in randomized actions.


As fun as it would be to lynch Swiss, I'm finding it hard to believe he's scum.


posting now because long, still reading

 

[Kantrip]

If Swiss and Asdioh are both telling the truth, adum and July are scum.

 

[Asdioh]

Have we at all considered the possibility that both Swiss and Asdioh are both telling the truth and that one of the VT's are actually a scum bus driver/re-director? I personally don't see either Swiss or Asdioh as scum currently. The scum team I'm seeing right now is actually RR/Adum/July.
The scumJuly would make sense if both RB's are town seeing as she's trying so hard to push a RB lynch which, if she were scum, she would know is a mislynch. I also recall her trying to clear adum just like RR was, but I'm too pressed for time to bring up the relevant posts.

This is why you're town. Thank you :3


Asdioh+Swiss
Both scum? I think by now you all know that's impossible.
Asdioh scum? I claimed last, why would I bring a heap of unwanted attention to myself by claiming RB?
Swiss scum? He almost certainly targeted Sokr D1.



Felipe+John scumteam, obviously.

 

[Asdioh]

VT (JTB)
VT (Ryker)
VT? (Soup)
VT (July)
VT (Felipe)
VT (John2k4)
Census (Sword)
Roleblocker (Asdioh)
Gunsmith (Kantrip)
Combat Medic (Sokr)

Red Ruy
Swiss (Roleblocker/Redirector/Jailer)
Adum (Tracker)

mkiuhygftrdes


VT (JTB)
VT (Ryker)
VT? (Soup)
VT (July)
VT (Felipe)
VT (John2k4)
Census (Sword)
Roleblocker (Asdioh)
Roleblocker (Swiss)
Gunsmith (Kantrip)
Tracker (Adum)
Combat Medic (Sokr)


Red Ruy





I just don't know anymore. Town just feels too overpowered if all, or even all minus one, of these roles are telling the truth.

 

[Sokr]

Actually,

Unvote
Vote July

Forget what I said like a page ago, July's more scum to me.

 

[Asdioh]

Then again, roleblocker can be a very antitown ability if used incorrectly, which might help balance out a pretty poweful town. We have no roles that DIRECTLY prove someone to be town, except for pretty much Sokr's role.

And that's why I chose no action n1.

 

[Asdioh]

Something I forgot to mention.

NVM I ****ed up.

I misread my PM from Gova.

Epic, epic fail.

Please explain how so. This is important.
Also, did you already say who you targeted N2?

I asked this because I mistook it as "role PM" and was confused because my role PM doesn't say anything about people being informed if they're roleblocked or whatever.

I asked gova what the rb situation was. It wasnt in my role pm if that was your question, which I assume it was.

That's why I felt a little better about Swiss' claim.


Swiss, one last question. What's the flavor in your role PM?

 

[July]

mkiuhygftrdes


VT (JTB)
VT (Ryker)
VT? (Soup)
VT (July)
VT (Felipe)
VT (John2k4)
Census (Sword)
Roleblocker (Asdioh)
Roleblocker (Swiss)
Gunsmith (Kantrip)
Tracker (Adum)
Combat Medic (Sokr)


Red Ruy





I just don't know anymore. Town just feels too overpowered if all, or even all minus one, of these roles are telling the truth.

Agree at the bolded.

@Sokr: You just don’t get it.

If you don’t agree with me that two town roleblockers is ridiculous, then at least listen to Asdioh when he says town seems OP if all the claims are true. That means AT LEAST ONE of the claimed prs is scum. Kantrip is pretty much the only person right now who even seems to be taking that seriously and actually considering the way these roles can and can’t (or at least shouldn’t) work together. Sokr is being a pain but he’s town. We also know that Swords flipped town and really was census taker. That means ONE scum lies between Asdioh, Adum, and Swiss.

Asdioh and Swiss aren’t a team. If you lynch:

Adum- town= confirms results, makes Asdioh scum more likely
Adum- scum= negates results, makes Swiss scummate more likely or a claimed vt

Asdioh- town= makes Swiss scum more likely
Asdioh- scum= makes Swiss scum practically impossible, makes claimed vt likely scummate

Swiss- town= Makes Asdioh scum more likely, Adum less likely
Swiss-scum= make Asdioh scum practically impossible, Adum scummate more likely or claimed vt

Those are the options toDay. If you don’t think it’s Asdioh or Swiss, then your vote should be on Adum. I assumed that we mass claimed in order to figure out where there were issues with claims and try to figure out who could be scum based on shifty claims and night actions and all that jazz and there are two glaring issues, 1) two “town” roleblockers and, 2) OP town. I’m trying to help and put it in these terms; if we lynch a vt and they flip town, assuming a scum nk goes through toNight and there are 2 mafia left, there will be 4 town v. 2 mafia toMorrow. That means toMorrow we would damn sure need to figure out whose scum, and its still going to be just as likely that its one of these three power roles but we’re going to have a lot less room to **** up. I’ve tried to help and make this as straight-forward as I can and make it clear that the best chance of hitting scum is by lynching from Adum/Swiss/Asdioh, if you don’t want to listen from here then whatever, I’m tired of trying to work out the role claims and if its feasible for town to have this set-up just so no one can listen to me.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes July.

Who's your choice out of them?

 

[July]

I still strongly feel that scum is between the two roleblockers, but I realize that if an Asdioh lynch results in a town flip, thats probably the worst possible scenario for us because it does point more towards Swiss but Adum's results present a issue with fully buying into that; we're basically be thrown into the whole "are two town roleblockers possible?" debate all over again and it will probably be just as inconclusive. An Adum lynch is from an informative point of view the best lynch because we either confirm his results or he's scum, so we at least have somewhere to go toMorrow no matter what the flip. From a scumread point of view...well none of them have been scumreads for me, I've generally had a town read on all three of them so I'm honestly quite lost on which ones to believe. If Asdioh is scum it seems likely he is the only scum out of the trio and his partner would be a claimed vt; if one of Swiss/Adum flips scum, I'm not confident the other is town, although I do think their whole in-thread crumbing, strange communication would be overkill and even a bit risky if they are scum.

 

[Kantrip]

You're still not taking a stance. We've established that it's a hard choice. I'm asking you to make it.

 

[felipe_9595]

Guys, i lied. I am the third Roleblocker, i didnt want to claim yet because i thought
a claim was false. Nobody retracted so i am claiming now. Sorry if you think i
made a stupid thing. I couldnt get decent reads from you. I thought with this
bet i could get something.Again, i am sorry if this caused troubles to town.

I hope this dont cause problems. The last thing i would want to do is
try to **** off town.

Gonna try to use my pc, i typed that with my wii and it took me a ****load of time.

 

[Kantrip]

Not sure if serious.

I mean, it's felipe.

 

[felipe_9595]

Mad serious.

I hope this doesnt becomes a Higurashi 2.0 incident.

 

[Sokr]

@ July

How am I being a pain? I barely post! You said yourself that I need to post more! Am I just being a pain because I suspect you as town? There are numerous possibilities that would make Swiss and Asdioh telling the truth. Maybe sword lied and was actually VT and was just trying to draw the NK away from a town power role.

@ Felipe

WTF?

 

[Asdioh]

 

[felipe_9595]

Hey what

10chars

 

[John2k4]

Please tell me Felipe is BS-ing this... x.x

 

[felipe_9595]

...

yeah, i screwed it up no....

 

[John2k4]

Alright then...who did you target?

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah, who did you target?
I have no idea why we need to ask you this, since you should have told us as soon as you claimed.
John, if you want to claim roleblocker number four, now is the time.

 

[felipe_9595]

Well, thats why didnt want to claim, i didnt block Swords n1, i blocked John. n2 i blocked July.

 

[Kantrip]

I am combat gunsmith. Each night I actually choose between checking for a gun or roleblocking. I didn't roleblock Swords, I roleblocked adum.



But really, felipe don't be dumb. I know you're not being honest.

 

[felipe_9595]

???? Why do you suppose that?

 

[Kantrip]

The way it all went down. I don't buy it.

And now we have three roleblocker claims.

You claimed before Asdioh and after Swiss. Where was your suspicion? Why did you lie in your claim? Did you crumb ANYTHING?

Out of curiousity, are you mason'd with someone whose alignment is unconfirmed to you? This is almost too dumb to believe you're doing it of your own accord.

 

[felipe_9595]

No, i am not masoned.

I thought it was strange that we had 2 roleblockers. So i stayed silent. i wasnt expecting another roleblocker to claim.

 

[Kantrip]

Well now apparently we have three. Is that possible, felipe?

 

[felipe_9595]

Highly unlikely, or at least, not 3 on the same aligment.

 

[Asdioh]

Adum, you forgot to say who I visited, though I suppose it's a little obvious.

I'm the roleblocker.

swiss claim

Wtf is this i dont even.....

felipe's next post (ignore the fact that most of his posts are like this)

Asdasdasd this got interesting

again

Well, i have the same thoughs as everyone, i find pretty hard to beleive there are 2 roleblockers in the same aligment. At least one of those 2 must be mafia.

Huh, maybe he was being subtle.




Alright guys let's do this.
3 town roleblockers.
mafia has
some roles
town has some other roles






actually I give up. Who the hell should I vote for.

 

[Sokr]

What is even happening to this game? And could someone please post the claiming order.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait a second. Felipe claimed first, did he not. What he just said was bull****. His reasoning for lying in his claim does not match up, because this is the order people claimed in:

John - VT
felipe - VT
July - VT
adum (Swiss said it) - Tracker
Swiss - Roleblocker
...


Felipe claimed before any roleblockers did, and yet his reasoning for claiming VT is he thought other people were lying about being roleblockers.

Vote: felipe

Tell the truth. If you're sticking to your claim, tell me why you chose your targets for each night.

 

[adumbrodeus]

What is this, I don't even


...

I need to think on this, I don't know what Felipe is trying to pull, but his claim is obvious BS. I need to think about why.

 

[Kantrip]

Guys, i lied. I am the third Roleblocker, i didnt want to claim yet because i thought
a claim was false. Nobody retracted so i am claiming now. Sorry if you think i
made a stupid thing. I couldnt get decent reads from you. I thought with this
bet i could get something.Again, i am sorry if this caused troubles to town.

I hope this dont cause problems. The last thing i would want to do is
try to **** off town.

Gonna try to use my pc, i typed that with my wii and it took me a ****load of time.

The amount of times felipe apologized here for screwing up town gives me scum vibes for some reason. Also the typing on the wii johns as an excuse is something I remember from our newbie game. It's not a tell necessarily, but he was scum in that game and this move here is way too dumb to be townie.