Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[felipe_9595]

Guys, i lied. I am the third Roleblocker, i didnt want to claim yet because i thought
a claim was false. Nobody retracted so i am claiming now. Sorry if you think i
made a stupid thing. I couldnt get decent reads from you. I thought with this
bet i could get something.Again, i am sorry if this caused troubles to town.

I hope this dont cause problems. The last thing i would want to do is
try to **** off town.

Gonna try to use my pc, i typed that with my wii and it took me a ****load of time.

Thanks kantrip for destroyng my Gambit even before it begun :/

And yeah i obv retract.

 

[felipe_9595]

I made that gambit to see how Swiss, Asdioh and adumb would react to it and what kinds of connections they would made. But thanks shooting it down :/

 

[Kantrip]

Well, thats why didnt want to claim, i didnt block Swords n1, i blocked John. n2 i blocked July.

I want to wait for felipe to share his reasoning for targeting who he did. But his targeting of July claim is something I would note in your position, adum.

Felipe, also give me your read on Swiss. Other reads would be nice, too.

 

[Kantrip]

...

Who did you honestly hope to fool?

 

[felipe_9595]

Well, you only noticed it because i screwed it up. the others were sceptical about it, but they didnt have proof i was lying.

And THATS exactly why i made this gambit, i dont have a read on swiss/asdioh. I needed with urgency a read on them.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't know why Asdioh was actually looking at your posts to try and make your claim seem true.

An option that shouldn't be ruled out is Asdioh being the scum roleblocker who targeted Swords. I've looked into adum and Swiss scum options, and neither of those are viable unless BOTH are scum.

Reading Asdioh next.

 

[Kantrip]

Asdioh, when I asked you before, all you told me is that it was fun.

WHY did you fake a posting restriction at the start of the game?

Also, Unvote

 

[Asdioh]

Because I felt like it? Please don't tell me that Felipe's terrible gambit is actually making you reconsider your read on me?

Felipe, what did you gain from this "gambit?" I'd assume nothing, especially since Swiss hasn't posted in a while.

I actually forgot that Felipe claimed before Swiss. I was trying to wrap my mind around what he had done, because nothing he ever does makes any sense to me.

 

[Sokr]

Im sorry Felipe but that didn't even fool me. If you're gonna try a gambit think it out more carefully.

 

[Kantrip]

Felipe's gambit did not change my mind. You were the next person to look at anyways, after weighing Swiss and adum.

If they are scum, they are scum together. It is possible but not likely that adum is scum and Swiss town. It is highly unlikely that Swiss is scum and adum isn't.

Statistically, Asdioh scum is more likely. Now is when I ISO.

 

[felipe_9595]

What is even happening to this game? And could someone please post the claiming order.

yeah yeah cool story bro.

And i also found scummy how asdioh said Swiss claimed before me (I did know i claimed before him, i ****ed my gambit with that). It doesnt make sense.

 

[felipe_9595]

Because, he did it after i said i didnt block swords. What would he win with that? Frame July???

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Asdioh

I can have reasoning later, I'm quoting up his posts. Summary in advance:

A VAST majority of his posts were useless and fluffy.
Bussed/distanced RR with no real pushes, lynch intent, or drive.
RR had a "case" to share against Asdioh when the direction for the day was already established. He didn't want to share this and even made excuses.
Fluffy interactions with Red Ryu to fake conversations to attempt to avoid lack of adressing connection.
Roleblocker claim and action choice that is illogical and doesn't match up with what is confirmed.

Adum tracked Swiss, Swiss claimed FOR adum, I am now doubting their scumteam and favouring Asdioh scum. Swiss is confirmed honest unless adum is scum with him. Asdioh claimed no roleblock N1 yet we are missing a N1 roleblock. Two town roleblockers is still dumb.
July should agree with this. I want Sokr and felipe's opinions, and if Swiss or adum are going to call me ******** I ask they at least try to be gentle.

 

[Kantrip]

Swiss nor adum are partnered with him. July is town to me and adum's track last Night confirms that. Felipe is not partnered with Asdioh, and he and Sokr are town.

So it's John. John and Asdioh and RR.

Please don't kill me Swiss, I apologize for being mentally ******** earlier. I hope I'm less so now, as I am much more confident in this conclusion. It explains all missing night speculation.

My gunsmith results probably mean I'm insane or paranoid, to be honest. I'm ignoring them for this.

 

[felipe_9595]

As i said before, One of the roleblockers haves to be scummy.

Vote: Asdioh

Call me a sheep or whatever you want, i am, i asked for a replace that nevwr came 30 pages ago p i can be whatever i want xPPPPPP

 

[Sokr]

Kantrip I totally agree with your thinking. Except why do you say July is town?

Unvote

 

[Kantrip]

This is a large collection of Asdioh's posts. I stopped near the end because I started getting major red flags and didn't feel the need to carry on. I will later if required. I will be reading these again after I post them and bringing up the more major of red flag posts. There are more minor ones, but I don't want to waste my time if they aren't required.

[COLLAPSE="A lot of quotes"]

I took a deep breath, and entered warily. Notes at the ready, I prepared to embark on my latest scumhunting adventure, which would surely be the most successful to date. I even got Firefox ready, since the Chrome posting format was a piece of crap.


I thought back to my play in Harry Potter mafia. The game where I had multiple personalities... yes, that's right! For I was a replacement, and upon replacing in, found the task of reading the insipid posts before my entry too much to bear. As a result, I had latched onto my strongest townread - not like a parasite, mind you, I prefer to think of it more like a symbiotic relationship - and from him I attempted to gain the wisdom I required. It had worked well, until his inevitable death, at which point I was left on my own, to die, and be brought back to life in an alter ego.

This time, I would follow the only one I could trust: myself. For now...

"However," I thought to myself, "If Swiss could get a guaranteed read on July, that might make things easier for me..."


If he liked RQS so much, where were his random questions? I thought that his prattle about disliking RVS hardly counted as such.


I looked Felipe up and down. Here was a man who confused me when I skimmed Higurashi mafia. He seemed like he had potential, but his posts tended to make me laugh because of how confusing and unnecessary they usually were. I hoped that in this game, he would take his time to think about what he posted, and have some scumhunting intent behind every post. I hoped that, at the least, he would not make an easy mislynch, if he's town.

I thought back to Awkward Moments Mafia, where I had made a post asking a very similar question early on in that game. I wondered why Soup would ask such a thing. Was he aiming for town cred, after seeing how people gave me townpoints for asking that question last game? Does he have legitimate concerns with someone possibly being inactive in this game?

My answer to his question? "I will lynch who I think would be the smartest lynch, whether it is an inactive or no."


This is where things started to get interesting for me, reading through this thread. Only page one (40ppp or gtfo) and already lashing out to defend his RVS vote? This is what I saw with my own eyes:
-Sworddancer suggested a policy lynch on Soup
-Kantrip agreed, talking about getting the "burden" out of the way
-Soup said "wtf, mate"
-Kantrip got defensive about it and later said it was a pressure vote blah blah and yet RVS or something idk


That post doesn't matter to me anymore, your reaction to Soup's post afterwards is what raised flags for me. Basically.

Vote: Kantrip

I read this quote to myself, and then realized that I had absolutely no idea why I quoted it. I pressed my hands to my temples, frustrated with myself for forgetting that the multiquote button always ends up leaving me with a bunch of quotes I need to remember my responses to. I vowed to actively respond to every individual post while typing up future catchup posts.

"Open and aggressive play" as a towntell, at least for less-experienced players, was something I agreed with. I nodded my head sagely.

However, I felt the need to warn Adum. Had he thought about the possibility of Swiss and Sokr being scummates, and Swiss telling Sokr to go against him to make him look like aggressive noobtown? I didn't want to rule that out. However, while continuing my read, I found this:


I thought how strange it would be for Sokr to unvote at such a time. If he were scummates with Swiss, I thought it more likely that he would have let his vote sit there longer, at least until that European fellow was once again awake to post in the thread and respond. I took note to myself, "Swiss/Sokr scumteam seems unlikely." I wondered if this seemed reasonable to others.


I also took note that Adum's thoughts so far seemed to line up with mine.

I didn't know for sure if either Sword or Kantrip were serious, but I did know that I personally

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would find quicklynching Soup hilarious.

I obliged.

"This entire post reeks of defensiveness" were my immediate thoughts.

"The bolded," I explained, "is an example of you attacking Soup's play, while the underlined is an attempt to make yourself seem more understanding in his eyes, while still retaining your vote on him. Regardless, none of this seems like it will help you get a read on him."

"Indeed!" I thought. "I knew somebody would be able to explain it so simply, as I was having trouble putting it into words."

I sighed in agreement. I pointed to my eyes, then to Soup, and then gestured in the direction of the Scum Cell, which was currently only holding Kantrip. "I'm watching you."

However, I knew that as usual, I would have no definite read on Soup until later in the game. I wouldn't worry much about him for now. Hopefully he won't replace out.

A smirk tugged at my lips. Indeed, my role PM had said nothing about a "third person" posting restriction.


Looking at July's 117, the thought "What, exactly, are her stances?" snuck it's way into my head. I frowned slightly.


Creepy.

My thoughts flew back to D.graymanfia. Red Ruy was lurking so hard there that my scummates and I decided to call him out on it... but indeed, he can lurk as town.

I decided to bull**** it. "Town," I said confidently.

It was around this point that I realized it would go down in history as "Adum vs Kantrip" and not Adum/Asdioh vs Kantrip." Alas, for coming into the thread a couple hours too late!

I glared furiously at the spot where my quotation marks should have been, ruing the day when quickedits were removed.

The questions regarding Sokr's newbiness seemed fruitless to me. I knew that I would read his slot without meta, and that was for the better. The same held true for Adumbrodeus, and anyone else I had played with that I didn't remember very well.

Tery, the poster of asianpeopledoingstuff gifs, was null to me. If anything, a scum lean on him would be most likely, as he has given the appearance of being here, but I remembered nothing of value from his slot as of yet, besides a vote on Red Ruy (without questions to accompany it) to "get him to talk."

I decided to ignore Seikend's last line, and hoped he would give the thread a thorough read soon. Indeed, I had almost forgotten he was in this game, and I looked forward to hopefully being town with him again, as in Bingo mafia. I pretended I had forgotten about Ducktales.

"Red Ruy" I asked, "Does your RVS vote on Adum still belong there?"

Suddenly, a revelation hit me. "I don't really know what scumSwiss looks like, aside from back in Dissidia..."

I put my hand on her shoulder. "Patience," I said quietly, whilst cautiously eying JTB.
I then jerked my hand away, and eyed her cautiously too, because she's freaking July.


The next thought on my mind was a question directed at Swiss. "What about Kantrip's #83 gives you scumvibes, and what about his #115 gives you townvibes?" I asked curiously.

A thank you was in order, for Kantrip had answered my question before I even got to ask it. I agreed that he needed scumreads.

I contemplated voting for Seikend, to get more out of him, but then this caught my eye: I glared smoothly. He will convince me he's town by the end of toDay, if he wants to live.



I shifted my attention to Red Ruy. "Do you have any scumpicks?" I asked reasonably. "You can only pressure inactives (JTB) for so long."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

From that night on, the nightmares would be unceasing.

I understood Felipe's feelings, and sympathized. Now I asked him "What are your scumpicks?"

I chuckled, for I had posted without realizing I got ninja'd by about ten posts.

Glancing over my notes, I realized that pages 6-9 were all but empty. I sighed, realizing that there must be noteworthy interactions in here, but my slack had allowed me to fall behind.

unvote

The one known as Kantrip... was he really town? The words "This is too easy" crossed my mind upon my first read of page 1... so was it really too easy? I decided to give him a break for now. Still, it had been fun watching his

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buttfrustration

as he got to L-3 within the first 3 pages of the game. I decided my revenge from Awkward Moments Mafia was now complete.

Vote: JTB

Here was a wagon I would be happy to see form.

@mod: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13649467&postcount=342

I gazed at the Sokr wagon. JTB, Kantrip, Felipe.

I shuddered. Why was this happening? The time had come to more thoroughly read the past couple pages.

And then I suddenly broke free of the posting restriction imposed upon me by Gova's Face!
lol. Yeah, breaking my posting restriction in case the same thing happens to me and I disappear forever.

What if I told you that, in order to inflate Swiss' ego, I wouldn't lynch him on D1 regardless of my read on him, because it would be a huge waste if it was a mislynch? AKA, who would you prefer to lynch, because a Swiss lynch isn't happening D1 in this game? I assume your vote would then go to RR, but you don't seem very sure of scumpicks, which doesn't make me feel much better about you. I also find it hard to believe you think you would actually get Swiss lynched.


P.S. Soup is town gg

I said that because I think Soup is town. I also think you're town :O

Tery putting himself up for the lynch should be taken as null. I also thought it seemed townie at first, but it was just too soon and too easy. It's more likely he's frustrated with his internet or whatever, regardless of alignment.

I can't really explain it. I'm used to playing with him and by now I think I know when he's town. I'm not going to go 100% on it, because he also looked town to me in harry potter mafia, when he wasn't.

Regardless, there's no real need to elaborate on a townread when the person's not under any pressure. I think he's town, I'll just leave it at that.

Now I'm gonna go play Skyrim lololo

Felipe, what exactly are your reads? Do you want the JTB lynch to go through toDay? Who will you be looking at as scum if JTB flips scum? What if JTB flips town?

I've been reading through your posts lately and ... they're pretty much just filler.

This has nothing to do with partial flips. I imagine the flips will only hide the person's role, not alignment. If we lynch someone, it will almost certainly say "Town ???" or "Mafia ???" or maybe even "Independent ???" when they flip.

Just so you know.

Maybe it's a little soon to look for connections, but I'm still interested in your scumpicks.

Judging by the activity of this game, and the way this Day is going, I'd say a claim by JTB is in order.

Is Seikend being replaced? He hasn't posted for 4 days.

Oh yeah, July is in this game, isn't she?

What's with this inactivity? JTB and I are the only ones playing Skyrim, unless I'm mistaken.
Tery is having internet problems and apparently replacing out?
Seikend I don't know.

I haven't read most of this page yetI meant to answer this morning, but then work all day. I'll try to respond as closely to what my answer this morning was going to be. Basically, I wouldn't bother with a Swiss lynch D1, unless we were damn near positive he was going to flip scum. I am by no means positive he will flip scum, and I'm pretty sure nobody else is.
I'm blanking on who was in Awkward Moments, but if you saw that D1 fiasco where we tried to lynch Ryker, it basically ended up with him pushing the lynch onto someone else. Even if Swiss is town, he'll just push the lynch onto whoever he can to avoid getting lynched.

tl;dr I'd focus on another scumpick D1 I guess. \(o_o)/


Speaking of which, I'm second-guessing myself on the JTB lynch. It seems "too easy to be true" and I've remembered all those times where JTB got mislynched D1 for stupid reasons. I'm starting to think that if we lynch him, we'll mostly see a VT flip (or just a town flip, thanks to partial flips?)
inb4 meta


@people: Thoughts on a Seikend lynch? I don't know if he's posted yet, and I'd much, much rather have a claim before we lynch (remember when we lynched the inactive cop on D1 in awkward moments? yeah) but I would like to get rid of that slot ASAP if we don't have any obvious scum around here.

I've been producing a minimal amount of content imo but everybody seems to know I'm town. Which happens like, every game.

The only one who calls me town that I don't trust is Swiss. He's probably scum that's trying to get himself on my good side (even though he already is <3) so he can have me lynch the wrong person in lylo and have him win. Right Swiss?

Sokr confirmed for serial killer

high five for me inadvertently parroting you

*everybody keeps messing up their quotes what the hell guys*

I'll stop rambling now. I'm working a lot this week, and Skyrim might be taking up my free time. Reconsider the JTB lynch if you're going through with it.

unvote
Vote: Seikend

Better placed vote for me.

@Kantrip: nope I'm hella lazy, and I don't see how gaining meta information is necessary for people to read someone in this game so I'm not going to.

I've never played with some of the people here and I think it's better that I don't attempt to gain meta info on them.

They say what you claim they say, I guess.

I don't know why we're still talking about RVS meta data on page 14. My thoughts are the same when I see Sword/Swiss talking about crap like "vig crumbs."

Am I just missing something?

Where is the mod to prod the inactives?

The old JTB wagon was Asdioh, Sword, Swiss, Kantrip. I don't remember if anyone else was on the wagon.

@ _____, does JTB read as scum to you? Do any of the people on that wagon read as scum to you?

Independents might come up as innocent anyway, Sokr.

Cops usually get a result of 'innocent' or 'guilty.' They usually get innos on town, and guilties on mafia, but independents often show as 'innocent'

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13671747&postcount=14970

Tery, Seikend, ???

This game confirmed for we need to lynch an inactive/replacer toDay.

So am I the only one that thinks 3 replacements at once is a big deal? Am I the only one that just doesn't find JTBscum likely anymore?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KxVteYFwps

Grow up, girls. Or just NK him dude.

I'd also recommend reading the first ~120 posts (3-4 pages on 40ppp) because there's a good deal there and it won't take long. After that, things get a bit repetitive for a while.

and then do ISOs of people you want to get reads on or something.

I don't support an extension. It will probably be a waste and it looks like we'll just lynch JTB either way.

:/

I can agree with this. Pulling this kind of bull**** drama in a mafia game would be a **** move.

le sigh

Deadline is the 18th now? Cool.
While at work, I suddenly got remotivated to get more into this game, so I'll be attempting that tonight. For now, food and Mt. Dishmore.

What's the status on the Ryker/Adumb silliness? I'd much prefer it if Adumb didn't replace out, he seemed like a pretty cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything except for being in games with ryker

Out of all my games in Dgames, I was only scum in D.gray Man mafia. I have been obvtown in pretty much every single dgames game except for that one, where people actually suspected me for once. Since when have you been unable to read me?

unvote

@John: Swiss said Seikend was scum after one post, and Swiss is always right, so that should be reason enough. If it isn't enough, then I voted for your slot because I'm not at all convinced that JTB is scum and we were in a pretty crappy situation with multiple people replacing out at once. Seikend's slot has done nothing, and I would be perfectly content to get rid of it ASAP so we don't have a question mark later in the game.


I am going to re-read (assuming I didn't skim it the first time) Sword's case on JTB tonight, and look through JTB's posts.

Before I do, I want to look at this:
7. JTB (5) Sworddancer, Swiss, Kantrip, Soup, July

Sword obviously claims to think JTB is scum.
Swiss is on the wagon for the hell of it and/or thinks JTB is scum.
Kantrip I'm unsure about. He didn't seem too convinced on JTB's scumminess.
Soup outright said that he thought JTB was leaning town around the same time that I did, but he wants to lynch him anyway.
July I forgot.

What I want to ask is this: if you outright claim that a JTB lynch will get connections long before the lynch actually occurs, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? If anything, I would think the people that say "let's lynch this guy for connections" would seem the scummiest because they seem to already know the person is going to flip town. Meanwhile, scum will be aware that the lynch is mostly for connections, so they will be extra careful to forge the right connections, or lack thereof. The lynch will become essentially pointless.

To make my stance clear, I would prefer a JTB lynch over a No Lynch, but I've felt for the past few days that we could find a better lynch.

Mountain Dew Voltage is really good.


unvote again so it's at the bottom of the post

I agree with all of this. Therefore, you are town.

I'm pretty sure he hasn't read much, so I don't really know what to ask him.

Do you have any questions for him? :3

@Ryker: what do you think of a JTB lynch? It's the most relevant question to ask anyone at this point.

I wish JTB was actually here though.

Ok. I just re-read JTB. He hasn't posted much, and what he has posted has been shallow. He hasn't pushed much. He doesn't have strong stances. But dude, if JTB is not town, I will eat the hat I am wearing.
Disregard the fact that the last time I said something like this turned out terribly.

If JTB flips scum, I will be willing to believe that Sword is town.

@everyone: does Sword vs JTB look TvT, TvS, or SvS to you?
for those unfamiliar, t = town, s = scum

LOL kantrip

i was literally just looking at this post while thinking I was still in this thread and i was like "haha good one ^_^" and then i saw kuz's posts and i was like oh god what

Speaking of which, nothing's happening here so I'm gonna go play Skyrim.

everyone, answer my 695, it won't be hard

ha, if it wasn't you then I don't know who it was. You're the one that comes to mind when I think of "JTB will give connections"

I know I was the first one to vote him, because he was inactive and I wanted to get something out of him. Sword made his case on him after JTB started actually posting, and that's when the wagon formed, and I got off after that.

role*

There's really no reason to talk about it. Swiss talking about 'vig crumbs' is just one of those things you should ignore, and let him do his own thing.

And I'm flashbacking to Bingo and Pizza mafias, where JTB got mislynched D1 in both of them.
I think it was J who lead the charge in both those games, and J was scum in one and town in the other, haha. It doesn't necessarily mean that the forerunner of the lynch (sword) is scum, but I think it's likely that JTB is town, as I've made clear by now.

I'm getting the feeling that JTB vs Sword is TvS, with Sword being the scum. I haven't had much of a read on him most of the game, but that is where I stand now. I find myself agreeing with Adum once again. The problem is, there are less than 48 hours to deadline and I don't really want to risk another claim. Even if JTB does flip town, I don't think it will be a huge loss because he hasn't really been playing much and it will indeed give some reads, as well as the possibility of Swords actually being somewhat cleared in my eyes.

someone get JTB in here for some last words, at least.

afk work forever

[/quote=Asdioh;13681510]afk work forever

In addition to forever, I had to work an extra 2 hours because of wonderful coworkers.

And this didn't even happen.

Sigh. Not much left for me to say toDay. A JTB lynch is inevitable, and he's not even here to say anything. I'd take that as a scumtell but I don't know if he just gave up as town to go play vidya games. I wouldn't blame him too much for that.[/QUOTE]

guess who's not allowed to quickedit that.

@Sokr: we have over 24 hours, we can just wait. I can hammer tomorrow if nobody else will.

More time for the replacements to be lazy and continue to not read
Not that I can blame them, I didn't read the games I replaced into. It's not fun at alllllllllllllllllllllll

central time

what a troll.

wait doesn't that give us an extra hour? cool, except JTB evidently isn't going to give us anything regardless.

I'm hoping so. Yesterday, when he said "I'll post tomorrow" I thought that had to be townie, but it's been pretty much all day now and it's looking really bad on him. I won't get my hopes up though, he could just be reaalllllyyyyy lazy town.

longest night ever >:E

I will also have to reread. I would have done it over the night phase but

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it would have sucked if i was killed

town
leaning town
null or Swiss
leaning scum
mega leaning scum

Current thoughts. Hopefully none of you are colorblind. Ideally, I'll reread and have some justification for these reads, namely the scummy ones.

It's too bad Ryker's gone, but at least it's one less replacement slot I have to worry about. I thought that once I saw the Day's flip, I would look for crumbs from that player to see if they hid their PR somewhere in their posts, since this game has partial flips. Idk if a replacement would do that though.

I might as well just ask adum to hold my hand in this game.

@July: why'd you ask Kantrip specifically?


Vote: Sworddancer

i see what you did there.

no, i'm not scum, unlike some people

the hell is wrong with you.

bull****, my scum play would be top notch if I got scum ever

I can agree with this. Swiss' jump on the JTB wagon was easily the laziest one there. He had other scumpicks that he pretty much ignored from that point on. It may be too late to ask him why though, since JTB has already flipped.

AM butthurt not gonna trust him >:E

I haven't reread anything yet. I just remember that Kantrip popped out as scummy to me immediately in the game, and then gradually redeemed himself, but not enough for me to trust him completely. And, as I also learned from awkward moments, I'm not going to keep a static list of reads. Every player on my read list is subject to change, especially since that was really just a "from what I can remember" list.
Are you going to count a game I replaced in? Especially one that I didn't read at all?

If so, that's fine, scum won as planned
What exactly is wrong with him wondering why I'm town? If you saw my quote earlier, I (as town) asked the exact same question about him in Awkward Moments mafia. He was generally considered town by most players, and I also had him there, but when I reread that game, I couldn't see why exactly that was, so I asked people.

And nobody really answered and he turned out to be scum and yeah.

I suppose I'll get to why Swords is scum before my reread. I hope to have more upon rereading, but from what I remember, the JTB wagon was the main reason. Prior to that point, I had him as null/town, but his weak push on JTB, and his subsequent refusal to consider that he was wrong, is scummy to me. I was all for the JTB wagon before Sword's case, and even after it, but there reached a point where I realized that it was all just way too easy and I had about as much confidence in JTB being town as I could without actually knowing his alignment.

Your initial case was pretty much quoting a few of JTB's catchup posts and saying "he's being lazy and stanceless."
It was also evident that you didn't want to vote for anyone else.

However, if your case really was weak like I said, shouldn't my suspicion also be on the ones who sheeped the wagon? What do you think, were there scum on that lynch? Who seems most suspicious?

It would be unreasonable to be pushing your lynch without asking questions.

oh snap

Oh hey boring game how's it going. You know that rereading thing I want to do? Let me tell you about how it's reaaalllllyyy unappealing.

Here are the notes I took the first time through. Maybe you can tell where I got bored?

[collapse=Bad Notes]Page 1: RVS being RVS, Soup being Soup, Swiss being Swiss. I didn't like Kantrip's "sarcasm" in his RVS vote, especially with how defensive he seemed when Soup called him out on it.

Page 2: Sokr so far seems to be a follower, and that's ok since he's a newbie I think. I'll have to watch him though. Scratch that, at #46 he votes Swiss. He'll be interesting. Adumb calls Sokr 'absolutely town', a bold statement to make so early. I do like how Sokr seems unhesitant so far about answering questions. Adum's reasoning lines up with mine for Sokr. My post at the beginning of page 3 basically shows what I think about pages 1-2.

Page 3: Soup thinking me/Kantrip are town. I'm going to believe that Kantrip vs Adum is not SvS. Red Ruy comes in at 101 and 102, and for some reason I get the impression of fluff question-asking. He answers Swiss' question in a drawn-out way, he asks Tery and Soup why they voted for him, he asked Kantrip if he had gotten anything from his 'pressure vote' though I'm pretty sure Kantrip has already said he gained a townread on Soup from it. Kantrip/Soup aren't a scumteam, by the way. RR's 102 is just asking July if she can read Soup on meta or something. No stances of his own yet. 104 Sokr votes Kantrip for defensiveness, 103-105 Felipe does pretty much the same. Kantrip is now at L-3 only 3 pages in the game. Kantrip seems pretty BUTTFLUSTERED right now, and that's a good thing if he's scum. Even if he's not, consider it my revenge for AM mafia >:3. Adum's 112 confirms that our thought processes have been lining up a lot. Everything he's said about Kantrip so far has been exactly what I thought as well. July makes a post around 4 AM that has a few things in it, but doesn't seem to have any stances aside from her liking Adum and seeming to lean scum on Kantrip.

Page 4: first 1/4 of it is more Kantrip vs Adum. Soup looking townish. Swiss and Red Ruy question Sokr about his newbishness a bit, which I deem pointless. Seikend's first post is here, shows he at least skimmed the thread,

Page 5: Swords posted a catchup wall thingy. Tery looks noncommital, JTB is finally starting to be here. Swiss does STUFF.

Page 6:

Page 7:

Page 8: Tery talking about having himself lynched. Kantrip says it's a VT softclaim, I agree.

Page 15: Seikend replaced by John2k4, Tery replaced by Ryker[/collapse]Is this all we need to know for the first ~15 pages (40ppp)?

yeah Swiss you better leave

@Felipe, where are you? I've had a town read on you, but only because it's you and I'm not sure what to expect of you. If practically anyone else had been playing like you, I would have thought they were scummy a long time ago.
You've been coasting along and I haven't seen any effort from you. Give me two scumpicks and why. If you'd like, give me two town reads and why. Otherwise, I'd want you vigged.



I've commenced my reread. Looking back at the first few pages, I'm remembering how scummy Kantrip looked


unvote
Vote: Red Ruy

Reading his earlygame posts: noncommital casual questions and discussion that wouldn't lead anywhere.
Recent posts: the same thing "July why didn't you vote me if I'm your scumpick" and "Voting Kantrip because I think he's scum"
I honestly don't remember RR's case on Kantrip, hopefully I'll find it in my reread.

@Swiss: I still don't have a townread on you. What the hell?

@Adum: What is your current read on Kantrip? Sorry if you've mentioned this recently.
edit after finishing this post: tell me what you think of this post when you're done reading it.


Oh hey time for maths.

adumbrodeus
John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Soupamario
Felipe_9595
July
Asdioh
Red Ryu

11 of us left. We can probably all agree that there are at least 3 scum among them, right? Cool.
Ok, so I'm town, obviously. That means that it's a 3/10 chance to get scum instead of 3/11. Now, since having 3 strong townreads could **** me over like it did in Awkward Moments, where the entire scumteam were my townreads, I'll follow the simple theory that if you have 2 certain townreads, then at the worst only 2/3 of the scumteam could be in your townreads, and you still have a chance at catching scum.
Ok SO! Let's say me, Soup, and Adum are all town. Adum's thoughts have lined up with mine almost perfectly all game, and since I'm town that means he is too, or he's really good at faking it. And Soup is being too Soupy to be scum. That leaves 8 players, for 3/8. Now let's assume Swiss is the indy to make it 4/8. Nah, just kidding.

John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Felipe_9595
July
Red Ryu


The bolded I would lynch. Throw Felipe in there too if he continues to be unhelpful, but I'd prefer a vig in that case.
I could reread Swiss to try and get a read on him, but it would probably be a waste of time.
I really need to look into Sokr some more. I noted him as town near the beginning of the game, but I completely and utterly don't remember anything he's done since then at all.
Kantrip and July are some alignment, whatever.
And I also have to look some more into Sword to see if he's really as scummy as I'm thinking, and into RR because I'm voting for him.

back the **** up I've got this

seriously what the hell is this

#303 is a RR nulltell. He has so many of these that they should be taken as scumtells.




oook finished the first 10/22 pages. Pretty boring. Page 10 has some stuff that I still had trouble focusing enough to actually read. Would recommend analysis on page 10 (starts around post 361) by anyone who's bored enough.

*opens notes that i wrote earlier that are completely useless as always*

"sword/kantrip seems possible
sword/red ruy seems possible
kantrip/red ruy seems unlikely"

Also note that Swiss can be paired as a scummate with literally anyone in this thread, he's that good.

There are other combinations that seem more/less likely but I can't remember anything right now.

also stfu

haha, I thought you were making a reference to AM mafia where I listed pretty much all the combos I thought were possible, but made the mistakes of thinking there were only 2 scum and I ignored what I thought was least likely and then turned out to be wrong.

And no, those were just the teams that came to mind when reading certain things. There are other possibilities obviously but I don't know right now.

Seriously game? Bleck.

Well here's something I wanted to talk about. This game has partial flips. That means that if we have an important role like Cop get killed before claiming, we'll never know they were cop. That means scum might get a chance later to claim cop without a CC.

I've been weighing the pros and cons of having the Cop claim toDay. What do you guys think?

Pros:
-less likely for there to be a fake cop claim
-can potentially get a clear toDay from the cop, and another clear from their N1 target
-good Doc target, won't be targeted by any negative town roles

Cons:
-can have results messed with by scum starting toNight
-idk

Good point. I'm not certain, but I don't think I've ever played a game without a cop

And maybe I'm the cop.

Oh come on Soup was that all you had to say?

http://youtu.be/TkxmMPCVogc

...

http://youtu.be/TkxmMPCVogc



if you're telling the truth then **** my ability to read people

Did you miss the part where I've had adum as my strongest townread pretty much the whole game?

I'm still trying to figure out what you're saying in this sentence. What does any of this have to do with gova being a *****************************************?

That's what I was wondering about. Either that, or he seems to think he knows all about the setup or something idk

To be determined at a future date.

idk kantrip. your stuff kind of checks out.

adum was my strongest townread. his reaction to your guilty is ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

idk man, how dare he be scum.

I also want to hear other players check in on this.

July is some sort of V/LA this weekend, but the rest of the cast I have no idea. Red Ruy and John are pretty much begging to be lynched.

Do you really want me to give my thoughts first? Aren't there shadier people you'd rather hear from before me?

The bolded is funny.

Claiming cop isn't really a big deal dude, especially if it's D2 and you have a guilty (supposedly)

Yeah he's a target, but scum might not risk night killing him unless they have a Strongman role because they don't know who the doctor is (assuming there is one)

The only problem is he might get roleblocked, redirected, etc. but if we get a scum lynch thanks to a guilty toDay, it was worth it.

First, though, we have to decide who we think is telling the truth. And we'd like certain aforementioned players to voice their thoughts on this, before other people come in and let those shadier people parrot their opinions afterwards.

Nah, the Day becomes a waste if you start it out by calling out a guilty. Scum's reactions after that point can be faked. See: D.gray Man, where the cop outed his guilty on July immediately, and then my scummate and I could craft our reactions easily.

Your point about Kantrip being town makes sense to me though. As much as I'd like to catch him as scum to redeem myself, it seems unlikely...

Which is going to take until practically deadline, the way things are going.

Can we at least agree on a john or RR lynch toDay? Look at John's last post, and the followup... oh wait, there wasn't one.

ToNight Kantrip could investigate himself or someone else to determine his sanity, so we'll definitely know what we're doing toMorrow.

unvote
vote: John2k4

It was pretty fun

Kantrip I still want to know what your results look like, this matters for later.

Unvote

Failure to answer this results in death.

~

Vote: Ambrodeus

Why are people not voting on the cop guilty? If Kantrip is to be trusted like this, which I will fully with how he gets his results, then he needs to be lynched.

John is possible scum, Adumb is confirmed scum. This is a no brainier.

Swords is cleared as not a scummate, though I suspect indy and I do not care to chase that atm.
Kantrip is town due to his play to the early pushes from Adumb and being the cop.

I'll need a full reread on a scum flip to confirm this. Town flip doesn't give me much at all, I'm still in the eh category.

Possible scum picks whom I see as likely aligned with Adumb, Asdioh and John2k4.

I've begone to dislike Asdioh more than before with his play today, John is turning up more scum with his active posts.

Don't feel like explaining atm, I wanna sleep.

Swiss, you mind if I post my thoughts on #988 before RR responds?

That's why I asked :3

All of this is correct, but dislike RR's refusal to even consider sanities. Setting up Kantrip's mislynch upon yours.

Felipe/July both town.

Adum I like this post, but take a trip over to Swords, let me know that you think. Thoughts?

John dies today.

Am I the only one who would rather wait until toMorrow to consider an Adum lynch?

We lynch between RR and John toDay, get scum (at least one HAS to be scum, my god)
Kantrip investigates (unspecified player) toNight to check his sanity and stuff. Even if Kantrip were to die toNight, if he flips town, we know to lynch Adum toMorrow regardless.

I missed post #1000 while typing this. Darn.


About RR's scumball post:
The needless threat is amusing, but not a big deal.

It's funny because I'm pushing a John wagon. Well, according to the votecount, Swiss is, but you know.


How would you know this unless you knew the roles of the entire scumteam? What kind of balance issues? How would you know enough about the setup to confidently say that there is no cop?

How does this make Kantrip town, exactly, if he's not the cop?
What makes John scum, but not RR?
I was starting to drop my Sword scumread, what makes you more certain of it?


Time to make this post now before it gets too long because of constant ninjas.

nope, time for serious face.

ok, go ahead and stop posting now that I'm here. I don't mind.


Reason John and/or RR are scum: look at their reaction to the cop guilty. Rather, look how unwilling they were to react to it unless forced to. This epitomizes their play the whole game.

Reason Sword looked less scummy to me lately: I forgot.

@Swiss: if RR is scum, what does that say about Adum?

You think so? I thought I saw a potential bus, assuming one of them flipped scum.I also thought I saw Swiss' scumteam with some sort of Framer role, but now I know you just wanted to get RR's thoughts on that.

Unless you and Adum are scummates, of course.

I still want Adum to respond to my post that asked him some quest-chins.

What do you think about Soup after this?

@Swiss: Sanity slipped my mind.

No cop, well there goes that. Kantrip looks more town to me from this.

unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I got an in coming case.

Swords and John also need to die.

dammit Felipe blew my cover

Ahah. That's why I didn't like Adum's initial reaction to the guilty. I remember now that it does indeed resemble your reaction in D.grayman... which wasn't very good


Kantrip's question:

RR>John>>Sword.

Though RR and John are interchangeable. They're both extremely scummy, whereas John seems a little bit less scummy, but a little bit less useful. I'm not sure whether this comes from being a newer player, being a replacement, or being scum that's trying to avoid making connections. Possibly a combination of the three.

Your case on me will result in a PR being outed?

Still no case from RR, and a wagon change to Sword? I'm ok with this, I guess, considering he's RR's scummate.

Vote: Sworddancer

@Adum and/or Swiss: just to reiterate, can you tell me why Sword is scum in approximately one sentence?

I've been rereading Sword in the meantime to make sure my vote's in the right place. It is. That part just makes me laugh though.

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Kantrip]

July is town because adum tracked her and her VT claim checks out. Not to mention her reasoning in her most recent posts is good with me.

I don't mind you sheeping when you're sheeping the right wagons felipe.

 

[felipe_9595]

3 23 am here, needs some sleep, cya

 

[Kantrip]

Ahah. That's why I didn't like Adum's initial reaction to the guilty. I remember now that it does indeed resemble your reaction in D.grayman... which wasn't very good


Kantrip's question:

RR>John>>Sword.

Though RR and John are interchangeable. They're both extremely scummy, whereas John seems a little bit less scummy, but a little bit less useful. I'm not sure whether this comes from being a newer player, being a replacement, or being scum that's trying to avoid making connections. Possibly a combination of the three.

Distancing his scummates, as both of them were suspects and I asked everyone to order how they would choose to lynch them. This was a good question for me to ask, as it forced Asdioh to lay this out. What makes this scummy is what Asdioh did a few posts later:

Still no case from RR, and a wagon change to Sword? I'm ok with this, I guess, considering he's RR's scummate.

Vote: Sworddancer

@Adum and/or Swiss: just to reiterate, can you tell me why Sword is scum in approximately one sentence?

I've been rereading Sword in the meantime to make sure my vote's in the right place. It is. That part just makes me laugh though.

No reasoning. This change from "RR and John are the two most scummy" to "I'm fine with Swords lynch as he is partners with RR" to "I have decided Swords is the best lynch" is awfully scummy.

 

[Kantrip]

And maybe I'm the cop.

When I saw this I thought Asdioh was Bulletproof or Vanilla Townie, as some of his other posts around this one looked very night-kill draw-ish. Then he claimed a town PR. It doesn't match up.

I'm bored of looking at Asdioh's posts already, can we lynch him please?

July and adum, thoughts?

 

[Asdioh]

I can't even find the appropriate reaction picture.

@your last post, I've played this and pretty much every games on Dgames as if I were a VT. Remember when I was doctor in AM and didn't mind being at the forefront and blatantly townie?

I don't even know what to say right now, I can't believe you just spent all that time on this.

 

[Kantrip]

All of this is correct, but dislike RR's refusal to even consider sanities. Setting up Kantrip's mislynch upon yours.

Felipe/July both town.

Adum I like this post, but take a trip over to Swords, let me know that you think. Thoughts?

John dies today.

Oh yeah I quoted this one for truth.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't care if you claim your self meta matches up on this. That's the reaction I got, and I'm just remembering now how strange it seemed when you claimed a town PR.

I spent more time on this than I spent on the ones on adum and Swiss because those ones were reaching more. This one fell into place a lot simpler.

You claimed Town Roleblocker, but it was less of a counterclaim and more of a "there can be two I guess right?" This is because adum had Swiss's claim confirmed and you needed to hope you could get by with the possibility of people not calling it out. July and I are the only ones who really said "Hey wait a minute", while others considered the possibility and didn't jump at you or Swiss for it. Your claim of a "no action" N1 is something that we can not prove. What we do know is that Swords was roleblocked and we are missing that. When felipe tried to claim roleblocker in his gambit you grabbed onto that a bit too quickly for my liking.

 

[Asdioh]

Kantrip, while we're both here, we should discuss.
What happened to you? On the plus side, my read on you went from "almost definitely town" to "definitely town" because I can't see scum BSing what you just did. On the other hand, do you actually believe I'm scum at the drop of a hat like that?
Why is Felipe following you?

 

[Kantrip]

What happened to me? I'm not sure what you mean by that question.

My belief that you are scum is not at a drop of a hat in any way. I've been milling everything around in my head (and posting thoughts before they were complete on my ipod, which is something I should not have done as I got a lot of flack for it). Basically, the conclusion I came to as a result of everything I've been running through my head since the mass claim is where I am at now, and it was not a sudden realization. Parts of it, perhaps, but they were pieces that were clicking into place in the larger picture.

Why is felipe following me? It's what he does. I actually am pretty proud I earned a sheep, and I will let it make me feel better about the whip burn I got from Swiss. Even if it's felipe.

 

[Kantrip]

However, feel free to suggest another scenario where everything matches up (I will not accept an adum/Swiss scumteam in this scenario), and convince me that this is not the most simple and logical conclusion.

 

[Asdioh]

You claimed Town Roleblocker, but it was less of a counterclaim and more of a "there can be two I guess right?"

I claimed town roleblocker because claims were finished while I was away, I was last to claim (because I was obvtown at this point, remember?) and because it's my role.

This is because adum had Swiss's claim confirmed and you needed to hope you could get by with the possibility of people not calling it out. July and I are the only ones who really said "Hey wait a minute", while others considered the possibility and didn't jump at you or Swiss for it.

Why

THE HELL

would I not just claim VT if I were scum? I already had a free pass to lategame. If I were scum, and I was afraid of TownAdum tracking me and catching me in a lie, I could have just roleblocked or killed him. There would be literally no way for anyone to catch me in a lie if I were scum.

THINK.

Your claim of a "no action" N1 is something that we can not prove. What we do know is that Swords was roleblocked and we are missing that.

Uh, we can't prove anything in this game except that Sokr vigged RR. We can't prove your gunsmith results either, you know. You're going to have to take my word for it: I did nothing N1 because I wasn't sure enough of scumpicks to risk blocking a potential cop/etc. I asked for cop to claim D2 for this very reason.
I roleblocked John N2 because he was one of my top two scumpicks. I chose him over RR that Night because I thought RR had crumbed Doctor, so on the offchance that he was actually town that was playing TERRIBLY, I didn't want to risk it. Poor choice? Maybe.

When felipe tried to claim roleblocker in his gambit you grabbed onto that a bit too quickly for my liking.

I obviously thought it might have been a gambit, but at the same time I wanted to see if there could be some reason for this game to have an absolutely crazy setup. I don't know. After I was Town Backup in Harry Potter Mafia, and someone else claimed Town Backup and we had to deal with "HURR THERE ARE TWO BACKUPS ONE OF YOU MUST BE LYING DURR" I am completely willing to consider the possibility of multiple roles, even if it sounds crazy at first.

 

[Asdioh]

What happened to me? I'm not sure what you mean by that question.

v

Asdioh why are you always so obvtown? It's painful.

Your read on me has been correct, and sometimes it made me nervous that I might get burned again like in AM, but now any fear of that is gone. I'm just baffled right now.

 

[Kantrip]

The point is not your claim. It's how you claimed. Try again.

WIFOM. You were probably setting up for claiming roleblocker and/or adum's tracker claim required you to claim it, as he would see you target someone who said they got roleblocked the next day. You would have to kill/roleblock him but we have a doctor/you probably would be looking to roleblock sokr.

We can prove things with our tracker, if he is to be trusted. There are things in this game that are confirmable, don't deny that. And I don't care to prove my gunsmith results anyways. If someone doesn't believe them, that's fine.

Your reasoning for the clinging during the felipe gambit doesn't matter too much to me.



Alright then, what happened to me? I questioned my reads after the mass claim, one at a time. I re-read stuff. I did what one must do later in the game. My original read on you has changed.

I want to wait for other players at this point. Feel free to respond as you would like and perhaps tell me your scumpicks and do stuff I guess. I'll wait for adum/Swiss/July.

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13761047&postcount=1286

reread my claim and stop being an idiot

 

[Asdioh]

why the **** would I be trying to clear as many people as possible if I were scum

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13761047&postcount=1286

This part:

In an ideal world, John2k4 and July would now be confirmed as town.

Would make more sense if I said "John OR July" instead of "and." This is because if we can confirm that none of RR, John, or July sent in the kill, that doesn't clear both of them, but only one of them. All it means is that someone other than John/July sent in the kill, so on a 3 man scumteam, only one of July or John at most could be the third scummate.

 

[Asdioh]

The point is not your claim. It's how you claimed. Try again.

This is why I told you to reread my claim, I'm still not sure what "how I claimed" means. What I said makes perfect sense to me.

WIFOM. You were probably setting up for claiming roleblocker and/or adum's tracker claim required you to claim it, as he would see you target someone who said they got roleblocked the next day. You would have to kill/roleblock him but we have a doctor/you probably would be looking to roleblock sokr.

Now you are reaching really hard. My point is that I would have NO FEAR of this. Sokr has much better targets for vigging than myself, I am one of the most unanimous town reads. Adum probably wouldn't be thinking to track me either, and if he would I could have just roleblocked him and killed Sokr or whatever.
Again, what you're suggesting makes NO SENSE.

Alright then, what happened to me? I questioned my reads after the mass claim, one at a time. I re-read stuff. I did what one must do later in the game. My original read on you has changed.

I want to wait for other players at this point. Feel free to respond as you would like and perhaps tell me your scumpicks and do stuff I guess. I'll wait for adum/Swiss/July.

Sigh. I can understand this, I haven't even voted for anyone after the massclaim because I don't know what to think anymore.

John/July/Adum are my current picks. I've been trying to think about who should be vigged depending on who we lynch and what they flip, but it would be better not to speculate about that in case we don't get the roleblocker/redirector. I think Sokr is competent enough to make a good vig choice on his own.


@Mod: request votecount

 

[Asdioh]

And Kantrip, the posting restriction in this game was for the same reason as what I did at the beginning of bingo mafia: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12487855&postcount=1150

it was

Spoiler

for fun

Side note, I actually intended to crumb doctorvigcoptrackeretc. but I was preoccupied with my posting restriction and forgot.

 

[Kantrip]

If there is a redirector floating around, why would Sokr continue shooting? After the mass claim would say doc mode activated to me.

You have nothing to say about the rest of my case? You're trying to make me back down by attacking the weakest joints you can find, without dissassembling the structure.

Also I wasn't suggesting that point you called me out on reaching for. You threw what if WIFOM at me and I tossed it back.

If we lynch Asdioh toDay (I agree with what July said that one of Asdioh/Swiss/adum goes), I can check my sanity/paranoia during the Night to figure out what to do about my results on adum/Swiss



REACHY SPECULATION WARNING: What if the scum team includes both of the roleblocker claims, and scum has two roleblockers? This is the case if I am sane and if trackers have guns.

 

[Asdioh]

Swiss why'd you leave :| I saw you viewing and decided to stay up later because of that.

If there is a redirector floating around, why would Sokr continue shooting? After the mass claim would say doc mode activated to me.

Whatever.

You have nothing to say about the rest of my case? You're trying to make me back down by attacking the weakest joints you can find, without dissassembling the structure.

Give me the strongest points then, so I can destroy them individually.

Also I wasn't suggesting that point you called me out on reaching for. You threw what if WIFOM at me and I tossed it back.

You threw terrible case at me so I'm doing what I can. Felipe already proved to me that people might actually follow you on this one.

If we lynch Asdioh toDay (I agree with what July said that one of Asdioh/Swiss/adum goes), I can check my sanity/paranoia during the Night to figure out what to do about my results on adum/Swiss

redirector blah blah

REACHY SPECULATION WARNING: What if the scum team includes both of the roleblocker claims, and scum has two roleblockers? This is the case if I am sane and if trackers have guns.

Why the **** would trackers have guns.

 

[Kantrip]

@last point: because cops do.

I summarized thr case before I mass quoted. If you need me to actually bring everything up it will have to wait until the weekend. Next two nights are filled with performances for me.

 

[Asdioh]

If these are some of your strongest points, fine.

A VAST majority of his posts were useless and fluffy.

I disagree, but if you've ever seen me play town ever then you would expect this.

Bussed/distanced RR with no real pushes, lynch intent, or drive.

I'm the one who pushed RR the most on D2.. As you might have seen, I was pushing him strongly until your gambit, and then it was you vs adum, which culminated in a Sword wagon. I thought they were both scummy, so I just went with it at that point. I saw where you linked my "scummy bandwagon" at that point, and I also noticed that in my reread, and cringed at how wrong I was. Not much else I can say to that.

RR had a "case" to share against Asdioh when the direction for the day was already established. He didn't want to share this and even made excuses.
Fluffy interactions with Red Ryu to fake conversations to attempt to avoid lack of adressing connection.

Remember this? http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13723873#post13723873
I posted that picture because 5 ****ing hours had passed since RR said he had an incoming case, and I was waiting. If you remember, I kept trying to bring attention to the fact that he had a "case" on me because I wanted him to do something that would let me see what he was thinking. I was the only one trying to bring attention to that, while everyone else just let him slip by and focused on Sword.

Roleblocker claim and action choice that is illogical and doesn't match up with what is confirmed.

hurr let's look like an idiot postgame by accidentally roleblocking an investigative role N1
^ that was my mindset night 1. congrats on having a role that has no drawbacks if it's misused. It boggles my mind that no action on N1 with my role is so hard for some of you to grasp.
And then there's the fact that I could have claimed to have roleblocked pretty much whoever I wanted BECAUSE I ****ING CLAIMED LAST AISFJGJGIOFG YOU'RE FRUSTRATING ME

Adum tracked Swiss, Swiss claimed FOR adum, I am now doubting their scumteam and favouring Asdioh scum. Swiss is confirmed honest unless adum is scum with him. Asdioh claimed no roleblock N1 yet we are missing a N1 roleblock. Two town roleblockers is still dumb.
July should agree with this. I want Sokr and felipe's opinions, and if Swiss or adum are going to call me ******** I ask they at least try to be gentle.

We've been over this.

 

[Swiss]

.......this..I...

.....

but.....

I am never playing in a non-vet game again.