Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Adumbrodeus.

@July: I'm your largest scum pick, but why did you not vote me?

@Soup: What are you doing with Swiss right now? I don't understand the point of making a conversation over who is king of the game of the sorts.

 

[Kantrip]

Who is your top scumpick, RR?

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus ()
2. John2k4 (1) Swiss
4. Sokr ()
5. Kantrip ()
6. Sworddancer. (2) Asdioh, adumbrodeus
8. Swiss (1) Soup
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (1) Kantrip

Not voting - John2k4, Sokr, Sworddancer, Felipe, July, RR

With 11 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is December 2nd at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[July]

I'm thinking right now that it's time for a reread. Most of my other reads were independent of JTB, but I was putting a good bit of faith in JTB scum, and I should reevaluate some things with him flipping town.

JTB town shakes things up a little. It makes Adumb slightly more townie as explained earlier. I don't expect him to have acted the way he did as scum wrt JTB.

July and Asdioh need some reinvestigation, because of how anti-me they became before JTB was even lynched. It's not something I would go off of alone, but the possibility that they are setting my mislynch up (yes I can't prove this logic to anyone else, it's just what I'm using for myself) is still definitely there. More so with July because I honestly think it's less likely that Asdioh is intelligent enough to think that through. >.>

Asdioh needs to tell me how he found JTB to be so townie, because even with meta there is nothing about him that made him super townie. Even a "lazy town" defense is nothing more than WIFOM speculation.

Actually, Asdioh needs to tell me why he thinks I'm scummy. I don't think he's said anything about it other than that he agreed with Adumb.

Besides from them, I would also like to look into Swiss more. If Swiss was town, then he was just on the ride. He didn't really make himself a voice against JTB ever, which worries me about him. I don't remember how much he's actually pushed his scumreads, so that needs to be investigated for sure. I know he's attacked people, but rather or not he's actually pushed them is what's worrying me, if you get my picture.

Also the leaning scum suspicion on RR and Seikend/John is still there, but due to their inactive nature there's not much to push.

Connections? Kantrip JTB was town so there are no connections. Unless you're asking how my reads have changed wrt how people interacted with JTB/the wagon, in which case I refer you to the above. I'm rereading, and people who come to mind right now who need to be investigated are Asdioh, July, and Swiss.

My read on you is much less based in your push on JTB, who was useless anyways, it was and is about how you communicated with Swiss and Adum. Even when you expressed suspicion for Adum, you always backed away from them, and then rather unexpectedly he was a town lean for you. But even then you really had trouble giving a solid stance on him because he was not in favor of the JTB lynch, which was a very unexpected and weak reason to have doubts about him and influence you from having a town read to a town lean. With Swiss I simply haven't seen much of an attempt from you to read him, so I'm looking forward to seeing where your investigation into him leads.

Can someone remind me why Asdioh is town? I can't remember.

Admittedly I have a lot of meta backing my Asdioh read. When he's town he seems to be open with his thoughts and you can see where he's going with his scumhunting. As scum he seems more defensive, more controlled with his connections and he holds his cards closer to his chest, so it's harder to see where his scumhunting is going. This game he's definitely been willing to question people, doesn't seem worried about connections, and I like the way he thought through the JTB lynch and questioned it, he was open with his objections even if they came too late.

Adumbrodeus.

@July: I'm your largest scum pick, but why did you not vote me?

@Soup: What are you doing with Swiss right now? I don't understand the point of making a conversation over who is king of the game of the sorts.

I'll place my vote after the holidays when I know I'll be here. Hopefully by then I'll also be able to see where Swords' investigation of Swiss goes.

 

[Swiss]

...

Wow, I just majorly derped. I'm going to have to take back what I said about not including Adumb due to missing JTB.

Thing is, for me to not put Adumb as a full out town read for the reason of him missing a JTB read is to suggest that Adumb is scummy for that reason. However, if Adumb was actually scummates with JTB, there is no way that he would of just totally ignored him up until this point. At least, it's highly unlikely.

With that in mind . . .



@July: Slightly, in a positive manner. I think it would look good on Adumb's part that he was ignoring the main wagon to go after his own picks. Thing is, I don't think a scum Adumb would of just totally ignored a mislynch and the biggest discussion toDay. Which pretty much leaves a town Adumb, who would probably be more concerned with going after his own picks.

What keeps Adumb only as a lean is the fact that I think he's been visiting all of the wrong places (obviously since I know I'm town I know that he's at least wrong about me). Disregarding the whole "he missed JTB" (for the reasons stated above), there's not really any of his scum reads that I can agree with of his besides RR.


...

Now I'm realizing how dumb that sounds and am rethinking it entirely. Intent trumps the given effect, after all.

Sorry guys, but I'll take responsibility for changing my mind on this one. After being pressed about it I realized that I really didn't think it through properly. It's generic of me to be cautious of someone just because I disagree with their reads, especially if the effort that they went through to obtain those reads are plainly laid out and believable.

Main point would be the self proclamation as town coming in brackets, he crafted that too carefully. Taking responsibility for his derp is townie but easily faked and a good 180 tactic. Obv setup of releasing pressure on you after JTB town is irksome. But not necessarily scummy, and this is my issue with him as scum.

Everything he's done has been all over the place, and his early posts were rock solid town. Acknowledge he played obv town as indie recently.

Give me more time on him, I understand why you dislike him, but do you understand why I hesitate to lynch him?

Thoughts on john and rr?

 

[July]

@Swiss: Who are your questions in your #845 directed to?

Even if its not me, I do understand your hesitancy to lynch him, I also want to see what he does toDay.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually I like a John wagon at the moment, as well.

Unvote

Vote: John2k4

Please get in here and do stuff John. Really, you've done absolutely nothing. Except maybe ask why your slot is scummy. So I assume you have a good reason, right?

Sure hope so. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you don't have a reason, and you're just clogging up the game.

Reads, stances, scumpicks; I want them. Especially your thoughts on RR, Sword, and adum.

 

[Swiss]

@Swiss: Who are your questions in your #845 directed to?

Even if its not me, I do understand your hesitancy to lynch him, I also want to see what he does toDay.

Sorry, that was @ Adum in response to his 838, I was posting via phone so I had the choice of quoting Adum or Swords - and I needed to have Swords post infront of me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I haven't reread anything yet. I just remember that Kantrip popped out as scummy to me immediately in the game, and then gradually redeemed himself, but not enough for me to trust him completely. And, as I also learned from awkward moments, I'm not going to keep a static list of reads. Every player on my read list is subject to change, especially since that was really just a "from what I can remember" list.
Are you going to count a game I replaced in? Especially one that I didn't read at all?

If so, that's fine, scum won as planned
What exactly is wrong with him wondering why I'm town? If you saw my quote earlier, I (as town) asked the exact same question about him in Awkward Moments mafia. He was generally considered town by most players, and I also had him there, but when I reread that game, I couldn't see why exactly that was, so I asked people.

And nobody really answered and he turned out to be scum and yeah.

I suppose I'll get to why Swords is scum before my reread. I hope to have more upon rereading, but from what I remember, the JTB wagon was the main reason. Prior to that point, I had him as null/town, but his weak push on JTB, and his subsequent refusal to consider that he was wrong, is scummy to me. I was all for the JTB wagon before Sword's case, and even after it, but there reached a point where I realized that it was all just way too easy and I had about as much confidence in JTB being town as I could without actually knowing his alignment.

The bolded is completely untrue Asdioh. I told Soup earlier that I wasn't completely confident that JTB was, but rather that I didn't really think that I would gain a stronger scumread that Day. Also I have no idea how you can perceive my push as weak when:

1. It really wasn't. I was basically leading the wagon and was the one that made the original case.
2. You accuse me of being stubborn with JTB immediately afterwards. >.>

My read on you is much less based in your push on JTB, who was useless anyways, it was and is about how you communicated with Swiss and Adum. Even when you expressed suspicion for Adum, you always backed away from them, and then rather unexpectedly he was a town lean for you. But even then you really had trouble giving a solid stance on him because he was not in favor of the JTB lynch, which was a very unexpected and weak reason to have doubts about him and influence you from having a town read to a town lean. With Swiss I simply haven't seen much of an attempt from you to read him, so I'm looking forward to seeing where your investigation into him leads.

You have earlier stated that you found me vs. JTB to be most likely SvT, which gave me the impression that you thought I was scum because I was pushing JTB.

July I don't recall ever being suspicious of Adumb. Cite it for me, or wait for me to reread.

Tis is true that I haven't really put too much mentral power in investigating Swiss. That said, I don't see what's scummy about it. You're accusing me for something I didn't do, which is probably something you could do with a lot of people.

Swiss, is there anyone else who you're into besides RR and Seikend?

 

[Asdioh]

The bolded is completely untrue Asdioh. I told Soup earlier that I wasn't completely confident that JTB was, but rather that I didn't really think that I would gain a stronger scumread that Day. Also I have no idea how you can perceive my push as weak when:

1. It really wasn't. I was basically leading the wagon and was the one that made the original case.
2. You accuse me of being stubborn with JTB immediately afterwards. >.>

Your initial case was pretty much quoting a few of JTB's catchup posts and saying "he's being lazy and stanceless."
It was also evident that you didn't want to vote for anyone else.

However, if your case really was weak like I said, shouldn't my suspicion also be on the ones who sheeped the wagon? What do you think, were there scum on that lynch? Who seems most suspicious?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My top scum pick is and still is Kantrip. I want him dead.

Vote: Kantrip

July what were your thoughts on Ryker and his slot in general? I'm super interested in this question more than other events.

 

[Kantrip]

Red Ryu your case on me in D1 was terrible. I do hope it's changed some, otherwise I'm not sure why you're going off of it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Your initial case was pretty much quoting a few of JTB's catchup posts and saying "he's being lazy and stanceless."
It was also evident that you didn't want to vote for anyone else.

However, if your case really was weak like I said, shouldn't my suspicion also be on the ones who sheeped the wagon? What do you think, were there scum on that lynch? Who seems most suspicious?

1. You said "push," not "case." I suppose you could use those words synonymously, but it made me think of my push against JTB in general.
2. Don't strawman my case. I never called JTB lazy, I said that he was forcing content and that it was shallow. Also, what standards are you holding my case up to? It was Day 1, I'm not too sure what your expectations are of me.
3. The bolded is true, I stated it myself that I didn't think that I was going to find a stronger candidate that Day. However, your 839 said that I "refused to admit that I was wrong" (paraphrased), not that wasn't going to vote anyone else.

@The second paragraph: Again, you said, push, not case. If you believe that I made a weak case that others were sheeping then yes, you probably should be looking into the others that were in that wagon.

Sworddancer, Swiss, Kantrip, Soup, July, Ryker, Adumbrodeus

Swiss is the most suspicious out of the wagon as explained earlier. I don't remember why Kantrip was on the wagon, but I've had a pretty firm town read so I'm not thinking too much of it.

I think I already know why, but I want to be sure. Why are you asking me this out of everyone else?


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My top scum pick is and still is Kantrip. I want him dead.

Vote: Kantrip

July what were your thoughts on Ryker and his slot in general? I'm super interested in this question more than other events.

RR, what do you even plan to do with that Kantrip vote?

Felipe, where's your head at? Thoughts on the picks of the Day: RR, John, and me.

 

[Kantrip]

Sword, you said you were 70% sure JTB was scum. You also pushed him to hurriedly post stuff or you would accuse him of stalling, and then we he complied and gave you rushed answers you jumped on them and made a case out of it. Looking back shows me just how manipulative it was. This is exactly what happened in Housepets with T-block, and I'm not letting you get away with it.

Then there's the horrid 180 when you tried to say not having JTB as scum was a scumtell by adum.

Unvote, Vote: Sworddancer.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Main point would be the self proclamation as town coming in brackets, he crafted that too carefully. Taking responsibility for his derp is townie but easily faked and a good 180 tactic. Obv setup of releasing pressure on you after JTB town is irksome. But not necessarily scummy, and this is my issue with him as scum.

Everything he's done has been all over the place, and his early posts were rock solid town. Acknowledge he played obv town as indie recently.

Give me more time on him, I understand why you dislike him, but do you understand why I hesitate to lynch him?

Thoughts on john and rr?

Problem is he hasn't done much, he hasn't put himself out there, his play just feels extraordinarily safe.

As far as his comments on me and what he'd think of me post-flip, it reads rather similar to this post, namely an attempt to court me to try to improve my opinions of him.


But alright, lets see what you can get swiss.


Why don't you visit sokr for a bit, thoughts?


John I'll get back to you, seikend smelled, but John leaves me with no real impression right now.


RR needs to die soon, either him or swords should be the lynch toDay. Swords is preferred right now.

 

[Asdioh]

I think I already know why, but I want to be sure. Why are you asking me this out of everyone else?

It would be unreasonable to be pushing your lynch without asking questions.

Sword, you said you were 70% sure JTB was scum. You also pushed him to hurriedly post stuff or you would accuse him of stalling, and then we he complied and gave you rushed answers you jumped on them and made a case out of it. Looking back shows me just how manipulative it was. This is exactly what happened in Housepets with T-block, and I'm not letting you get away with it.

Then there's the horrid 180 when you tried to say not having JTB as scum was a scumtell by adum.

Unvote, Vote: Sworddancer.

oh snap

 

[Asdioh]

Oh hey boring game how's it going. You know that rereading thing I want to do? Let me tell you about how it's reaaalllllyyy unappealing.

Here are the notes I took the first time through. Maybe you can tell where I got bored?

[collapse=Bad Notes]Page 1: RVS being RVS, Soup being Soup, Swiss being Swiss. I didn't like Kantrip's "sarcasm" in his RVS vote, especially with how defensive he seemed when Soup called him out on it.

Page 2: Sokr so far seems to be a follower, and that's ok since he's a newbie I think. I'll have to watch him though. Scratch that, at #46 he votes Swiss. He'll be interesting. Adumb calls Sokr 'absolutely town', a bold statement to make so early. I do like how Sokr seems unhesitant so far about answering questions. Adum's reasoning lines up with mine for Sokr. My post at the beginning of page 3 basically shows what I think about pages 1-2.

Page 3: Soup thinking me/Kantrip are town. I'm going to believe that Kantrip vs Adum is not SvS. Red Ruy comes in at 101 and 102, and for some reason I get the impression of fluff question-asking. He answers Swiss' question in a drawn-out way, he asks Tery and Soup why they voted for him, he asked Kantrip if he had gotten anything from his 'pressure vote' though I'm pretty sure Kantrip has already said he gained a townread on Soup from it. Kantrip/Soup aren't a scumteam, by the way. RR's 102 is just asking July if she can read Soup on meta or something. No stances of his own yet. 104 Sokr votes Kantrip for defensiveness, 103-105 Felipe does pretty much the same. Kantrip is now at L-3 only 3 pages in the game. Kantrip seems pretty BUTTFLUSTERED right now, and that's a good thing if he's scum. Even if he's not, consider it my revenge for AM mafia >:3. Adum's 112 confirms that our thought processes have been lining up a lot. Everything he's said about Kantrip so far has been exactly what I thought as well. July makes a post around 4 AM that has a few things in it, but doesn't seem to have any stances aside from her liking Adum and seeming to lean scum on Kantrip.

Page 4: first 1/4 of it is more Kantrip vs Adum. Soup looking townish. Swiss and Red Ruy question Sokr about his newbishness a bit, which I deem pointless. Seikend's first post is here, shows he at least skimmed the thread,

Page 5: Swords posted a catchup wall thingy. Tery looks noncommital, JTB is finally starting to be here. Swiss does STUFF.

Page 6:

Page 7:

Page 8: Tery talking about having himself lynched. Kantrip says it's a VT softclaim, I agree.

Page 15: Seikend replaced by John2k4, Tery replaced by Ryker[/collapse]Is this all we need to know for the first ~15 pages (40ppp)?

 

[Asdioh]

yeah Swiss you better leave

 

[John2k4]

Kanty I'll try to get you those later tonight, just got my laptop up...

 

[Sokr]

@Red Ryu

Please comment on this:

Red Ryu your case on me in D1 was terrible. I do hope it's changed some, otherwise I'm not sure why you're going off of it.

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr, there's nothing really for him to say there. If he's got more to add to his case he will do so and if he hasn't said anything to that he probably has nothing to say.

Why don't you comment on that. What do you think of Red Ryu's case against me?

Who do you want to look at toDay as your prospective scum possibilities?

 

[Sokr]

I simple "there's nothing new about my case" from RR would be sufficient. I'll tell you what I think shortly. For now, back to the homework.

 

[Kantrip]

Thoughts on alignments right now:

Felipe town.
Sokr town.
Soup town.
Asdioh leans town.
Swiss null-ish leaning town.
July null-ish leaning town.
adumbrodeus null-ish leaning town.
John2k4 null-ish leaning scum.
Red Ryu lean scum.
Sworddancer. scum.

July and Swiss could swap places at a moment's notice.

I'm still not sure about adum. As I said in D1, he could go one of two ways. Asides from the early game banter with me, I have found myself agreeing with things he has said. He has the same top scum suspects as me, too. I'd have to be completely insane to clear him, though, because he's been established as one of the big names, and you never know with them. It's a similar story for Swiss, for obvious reasons, but

@John2k4: Sounds good, I look forward to seeing you do something in this game.

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

I disagree with his case against you. He does raise good points, but his final assessment I don't quite see where it came from.

 

[Kantrip]

Could you elaborate?

He raises good points? Which ones?

What do you mean by his final assessment?

 

[John2k4]

Good lord, 30 pages of reading isn't happening yet, I'm going to do D2 reads for now...

Here's some of my thoughts:

Kanty's posting a lot of questions, seems to have a good understanding of what he is doing. I can see pro-town behind some of his posts. ...
You kept your vote on me for, what, two posts? Don't want to vote me?

Swiss strikes me as "meeeeeeeeeh"..he is almost too confident in his posts at times.

Soup's interesting: his 813 of:

Same goes to RR, they're both useless and good sword practice if you ask me.

Really strikes me as odd that he'd say it as "they make good sword practice". Referring to Sworddancer?

Sokr quips up with a question every now and then.

RR, why do you dislike Kanty so much?

I like Asidoh's points he makes in his posts.

--

@ Kanty, those are my exact thoughts from the start of D2.

 

[Sokr]

Actually nevermind. I just went over it and I agree with none of it. He thinks you're scum for putting votes on people for shady reasons. I however, just see that as your gameplay style. (Posting pressure votes with no intent to lynch). I get nothing from it.

 

[Kantrip]

I'll wait for you to read through and get a proper understanding then, John.

As to my vote on you? I was going to do something with it and then decided it wasn't worth it and ran off to pursue my actual scumpicks. You're still up there on scumminess though, mostly because you replaced into a slot that looked scummy and you've done nothing to alter that read in either direction.

@Sokr: Alright, who are your top two scumpicks at the moment?

 

[Sokr]

Gonna say RR and Sword but I couldn't tell you why. This is just off my notes. I'm gonna have to do some rereading when I get the time.

 

[Swiss]

Swiss strikes me as "meeeeeeeeeh"..he is almost too confident in his posts at times.

Laughed out loud, whilst on a crowded train.

 

[John2k4]

Granted I don't think I have played any games with Swiss yet, so if he's always like that, then I don't know him yet.

 

[Sokr]

Granted I don't think I have played any games with Swiss yet, so if he's always like that, then I don't know him yet.

You'll get used to it

 

[Asdioh]

@Felipe, where are you? I've had a town read on you, but only because it's you and I'm not sure what to expect of you. If practically anyone else had been playing like you, I would have thought they were scummy a long time ago.
You've been coasting along and I haven't seen any effort from you. Give me two scumpicks and why. If you'd like, give me two town reads and why. Otherwise, I'd want you vigged.



I've commenced my reread. Looking back at the first few pages, I'm remembering how scummy Kantrip looked


unvote
Vote: Red Ruy

Reading his earlygame posts: noncommital casual questions and discussion that wouldn't lead anywhere.
Recent posts: the same thing "July why didn't you vote me if I'm your scumpick" and "Voting Kantrip because I think he's scum"
I honestly don't remember RR's case on Kantrip, hopefully I'll find it in my reread.

@Swiss: I still don't have a townread on you. What the hell?

@Adum: What is your current read on Kantrip? Sorry if you've mentioned this recently.
edit after finishing this post: tell me what you think of this post when you're done reading it.


Oh hey time for maths.

adumbrodeus
John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Soupamario
Felipe_9595
July
Asdioh
Red Ryu

11 of us left. We can probably all agree that there are at least 3 scum among them, right? Cool.
Ok, so I'm town, obviously. That means that it's a 3/10 chance to get scum instead of 3/11. Now, since having 3 strong townreads could **** me over like it did in Awkward Moments, where the entire scumteam were my townreads, I'll follow the simple theory that if you have 2 certain townreads, then at the worst only 2/3 of the scumteam could be in your townreads, and you still have a chance at catching scum.
Ok SO! Let's say me, Soup, and Adum are all town. Adum's thoughts have lined up with mine almost perfectly all game, and since I'm town that means he is too, or he's really good at faking it. And Soup is being too Soupy to be scum. That leaves 8 players, for 3/8. Now let's assume Swiss is the indy to make it 4/8. Nah, just kidding.

John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Felipe_9595
July
Red Ryu


The bolded I would lynch. Throw Felipe in there too if he continues to be unhelpful, but I'd prefer a vig in that case.
I could reread Swiss to try and get a read on him, but it would probably be a waste of time.
I really need to look into Sokr some more. I noted him as town near the beginning of the game, but I completely and utterly don't remember anything he's done since then at all.
Kantrip and July are some alignment, whatever.
And I also have to look some more into Sword to see if he's really as scummy as I'm thinking, and into RR because I'm voting for him.

back the **** up I've got this

 

[Asdioh]

Let me invent an idea quick.

seriously what the hell is this

 

[Asdioh]

#303 is a RR town-tell.

[post note]

brb work

#303 is a RR nulltell. He has so many of these that they should be taken as scumtells.




oook finished the first 10/22 pages. Pretty boring. Page 10 has some stuff that I still had trouble focusing enough to actually read. Would recommend analysis on page 10 (starts around post 361) by anyone who's bored enough.

 

[Kantrip]

Cool, Asdioh's doing stuff or something

Hey SDO, if I asked you to list some scumteams that were VERY unlikely, who would you list off for me?

 

[Asdioh]

*opens notes that i wrote earlier that are completely useless as always*

"sword/kantrip seems possible
sword/red ruy seems possible
kantrip/red ruy seems unlikely"

Also note that Swiss can be paired as a scummate with literally anyone in this thread, he's that good.

There are other combinations that seem more/less likely but I can't remember anything right now.

also stfu

 

[Kantrip]

You only have opinions on teams consisting of me, Swords, and RR?

stfu about what?

 

[Swiss]

Also note that Swiss can be paired as a scummate with literally anyone in this thread, he's that good.

Well someone is gonna have his work cut out trying to not get lynched late game.

Guess I'd better stop us reaching late game.

So might as well lynch all the scum and call it a GG.

Content/Swords Analysis/Questions when I get home from work, but RR and John need to die horrible, messy deaths.

Oh, Adum, you mentioned something under the radar to me earlier which made me "how the **** did he..." face. I'll do what you requested. If I can. Which I'm not saying I can. Because I definitely can't. No way. Is Swiss crumbing? I still can't tell. Let's hope he can WIFOM his way out of it. Not that he's letting you guys know it'll be WIFOM, because it'll definitely be true. Whatever he says. Unless he later says he was lying.

Right, good.

K.

 

[felipe_9595]

@Felipe, where are you? I've had a town read on you, but only because it's you and I'm not sure what to expect of you. If practically anyone else had been playing like you, I would have thought they were scummy a long time ago.
You've been coasting along and I haven't seen any effort from you. Give me two scumpicks and why. If you'd like, give me two town reads and why. Otherwise, I'd want you vigged.



I've commenced my reread. Looking back at the first few pages, I'm remembering how scummy Kantrip looked


unvote
Vote: Red Ruy

Reading his earlygame posts: noncommital casual questions and discussion that wouldn't lead anywhere.
Recent posts: the same thing "July why didn't you vote me if I'm your scumpick" and "Voting Kantrip because I think he's scum"
I honestly don't remember RR's case on Kantrip, hopefully I'll find it in my reread.

@Swiss: I still don't have a townread on you. What the hell?

@Adum: What is your current read on Kantrip? Sorry if you've mentioned this recently.
edit after finishing this post: tell me what you think of this post when you're done reading it.


Oh hey time for maths.

adumbrodeus
John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Soupamario
Felipe_9595
July
Asdioh
Red Ryu

11 of us left. We can probably all agree that there are at least 3 scum among them, right? Cool.
Ok, so I'm town, obviously. That means that it's a 3/10 chance to get scum instead of 3/11. Now, since having 3 strong townreads could **** me over like it did in Awkward Moments, where the entire scumteam were my townreads, I'll follow the simple theory that if you have 2 certain townreads, then at the worst only 2/3 of the scumteam could be in your townreads, and you still have a chance at catching scum.
Ok SO! Let's say me, Soup, and Adum are all town. Adum's thoughts have lined up with mine almost perfectly all game, and since I'm town that means he is too, or he's really good at faking it. And Soup is being too Soupy to be scum. That leaves 8 players, for 3/8. Now let's assume Swiss is the indy to make it 4/8. Nah, just kidding.

John2k4 replaces Seikend
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer.
Swiss
Felipe_9595
July
Red Ryu


The bolded I would lynch. Throw Felipe in there too if he continues to be unhelpful, but I'd prefer a vig in that case.
I could reread Swiss to try and get a read on him, but it would probably be a waste of time.
I really need to look into Sokr some more. I noted him as town near the beginning of the game, but I completely and utterly don't remember anything he's done since then at all.
Kantrip and July are some alignment, whatever.
And I also have to look some more into Sword to see if he's really as scummy as I'm thinking, and into RR because I'm voting for him.

back the **** up I've got this

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Well, being honest, i should ask for a replacement, i have been VERY busy the past weeks and i dont think i will be able to handle 2 maf games at the same time.

Soupa Mario and Kantrip can be scummy. I dont like his playstyle, they are being way too careful .