gimpleader
Smash Cadet
Why do people on for glory fall for the Bowser
gimmick every time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNk3aUMLu5c
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gimmick every time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNk3aUMLu5c
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Because people on FG are idiots, that's why,Why do people on for glory fall for the Bowser
gimmick every time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNk3aUMLu5c
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I know its been a while since then but im new to this forum.Alright, I need your hardest of opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBtbnCOR4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjAI8XpVLcA
I know I did bad both sets, but what should I have done?
Two suggestions:http://www.twitch.tv/vsgc/v/8352992
2:10:00^
Hey guys, broke my record this tournament and made it to losers quarters. This was a low tier tournament so Bowser had a chance to shine. I've known the guy I played against from other locals and he plays a sick Zelda. I think I could have brought this set back if I played a little smarter though. I also made some accidental forward smashes which really hurt me. Any advice?
Yeah when I watch replays of myself, I actually notice the same thing in general. I'll try and get a hard read and maybe fair or dair when really, I should just be getting away and shoot some fire until I land or something like that. Upon watching again, it usually just revolves around me using my second jump too early and in their direction. I'll definitely keep that in mind.Two suggestions:
First, when landing you tended to gravitate toward your opponent, presumably hoping for a retaliatory strike. Watch again to see what I mean. This is a common habit because every once in awhile you land an attack and feel "oh, that worked! I should do that in the future!" selectively ignoring the other 4 times previously that you get punished for it. In those situations, stop playing Super Smash Brothers for a moment and play Get Back to Neutral with the Safest, Most Unpressured Landing you Can Brothers instead. Then resume play.
Second, I'd have to rewatch to see for sure, but I don't think you jabbed at all in either match, and I remember seeing only one f-tilt. These are your shield pokes, not f-air and u-smash. You've got the habit of forward-b to cover the landing, but if you'd have followed up with a jab or an f-tilt in more than one situation I saw you would have come out ahead in that particular exchange.
I will say I liked to see you utilizing the pivot grabs, and I didn't see too much airdodging into the ground or aerial attacking into the ground (with the exception of about 3-4 too many d-airs), so that's good. Both matches were close, and if you had afforded your opponent one or two fewer punish opportunities in each match it probably would have tipped the scales. Congrats on the new tourney record though!
Fair doesn't auto cancel if you fast fall as far as I know. It seems to auto cancel if you input fair as soon as you jump@ Sp0nge I wasn't able to view the video on my phone, but i will check it out when I get access to a computer. I the meantime, are you using fast fall auto cancel short hop fair? (We should probably find a name for those. )
Sh fair/bair can both auto cancel from a fast fall if you time it right. It's the same timing on both aerials making it pretty easy to learn, the timing isn't hard either. It's useful for shaving of a few extra frames. Use fair to learn the timing, it's about when his other arm raises up behind him. The timing changes on hit and whiff, so learn both timings. Good luck!Fair doesn't auto cancel if you fast fall as far as I know. It seems to auto cancel if you input fair as soon as you jump
I don't understand how Bowser is allowed in low tier tournaments....Alright Bowser finally won a tournament! It was a low tier tournament, but you know we take those. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CfYBeXmAc
Looks like many of us have been playing Bowser incorrectly. You only need two moves to win:
(kappa)
- Klaw
- Bair
I think you hit the nail on the head here. He's definitely not a low tier character, he's just extremely underused. Our results are definitely not as bad as you said, but nothing that stands out. I think that video could also go the other way, perhaps people might see that and consider him too overpowered compared to the other lower tier characters.Because no one actually understands anything about Bowser, except for maybe 5 players, he's underused at tournament/mid-high level. It's hard for people's perspectives to be set straight when we don't exist (on YouTube and streams; half of the time Bowser appears on stream he ends up losing whatever set he's involved in, further skewing the perspectives...I've seen multiple people rate Bowser at anywhere ranging between bottom 10 to bottom 2.)
Bowser players in specific regions may not really be performing well. In Florida specifically, I would have to imagine that maybe there are some Bowser players who just go 0-2 or 1-2 and just drown in the bracket. We obviously know Bowser really doesn't belong there, but for the TO who's just looking at data or just asks the opinions of players (who don't actually use Bowser [well], at all...), we end up getting this.
So everyone thinks he's low tier. Props to him for winning, but I am not a fan of NR's Bowser at all. I haven't been for years, but I guess it looks better in Smash 4 lol.
The only issue with that now is since that's a ~24k view video of Bowser in a low tier event, more people will probably think he's suitable for low tier placement. People tend to not question certain regional choices and just follow suit. A select handful will probably ask the same thing Zigsta just did, and then we go back into the endless loop of "how good is Bowser, really?"
I don't understand how he's anything lower than Upper Mid!I don't understand how Bowser is allowed in low tier tournaments....
That's just because you don't snap the ledge as quickly when facing away. Completely normal, you'll get used to it eventually.Okay word. I suck then LOL.
I always mess it up when my back is facing the ledge I swear lol
Thank you. Finding videos of me is kind of difficult since I don't really play Smash often. I pretty much only play Smash once, MAYBE twice a week lol. Your best bet for now is really just to tune into Bum's streams until I start streaming again, or whenever I start uploading replays of things...which may not be any time soon.@ Cassius. I saw your bowser on the stream at Bums fest and it's really awesome to watch. Any other place I can find some more vids of you as well as other good bowser mains? Just getting into smash 4 and I'm really loving bowser atm
I really couldn't have asked for a better post pulling apart my gameplay.I'm not sure how in the world you ended up on Battlefield against Pikachu, but that is a pain. I can't type too much so I will give you few things you NEED to start doing and a few things you need to stop doing.
When you have opponents on platforms, either from an air-to-air exchange via FAir or FThrow, that is a guaranteed command grab or shield break, unless you are shown otherwise through the player's decisions (spot dodge, roll). What I mean by this is that players of all levels tend to use some sort of defensive option when they're in a disadvantage state and on a platform. Bowser has a command grab and a shield breaking move. Use one (for the bomb option, specifically full hop bomb, gives them less time to react.) They will work. This is coming from years of seeing the same situations repeat themselves, with the same outcomes.
Down Tilt, and now Down Smash apparently hit below the edge. You started to pick up on it during the latter half of the match, but your spacing for it was REALLY off lol. Just stand like a foot from the edge and swipe. If you have the Bowser bomb spacing, you can try that as well and catch characters with that move. You would have hit Pikachu out of his side b with DTilt guaranteed with the proper spacing. Maybe even Up-B.
Mind your pace, and your control of the stage. With your jab checks, you started to give all of the stage control you had fought for back to Pikachu by doing jab -> dash back or jab -> pivot grab (learn how to instant pivot grab so that you don't move so far back.)
We talked about this in the Skype group last night, but this is one of the MUs where walking and shielding pays off a lot. Pikachu was snagging you with random SH FAirs that, if shielded properly via walking would've been up-b'd, side b'd or down b'd for free. Power shielding TJolts is also really important. This also would have paid off in general against this Pikachu player since he was being really aggressive in situations where it wasn't warranted. It was kind of clear he underestimated or just was not aware of specific bowser options (but then again, who is...besides us lol)
Even though you can't escape off of the platform, it's still worth it to up-b OoS if you have the opportunity. Pikachu being completely inside you due to FAir pressure should be punished if you block it.
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease use side b more. I was getting annoyed watching Pikachu just stay on the offensive, shield and hold shield and you not do anything about it, aside from rolling.
You can shoot firebreath to bully people offstage more. It worked the one time you did it--I was kind of surprised you didn't try it again.
That opener you started with on BF was garbage. I won't say to never do it again, but please reconsider and shy away from using a fast falled FAir from that position. There are a variety of openers that you can use on BF that won't put you at a risk like that. I have about 10 figured out for Bowser based on how my opponent plays/character traits, and there are more out there. Consider this basic one if your opponent drops down under the platform: running off of the platform into center stage and using fire breath. With that, you cover every spot except for the corner of the stage. This forces your opponent to either go airborne to avoid the fire and fight for control, or stay in the corner and wait--but then that gives you control of the stage, and only 3-5 seconds have passed.
Against Pikachu's opener specifically, you could have just dropped down and walked forward. He did a fullhop tjolt and moved back with it. You could have threatened the space below him by simply walking forward.
If your Up-B OoS or attack whiffs, do not fade into your opponent. That almost got you killed. Always fade out, although it makes no difference because of how this game works. If your Up-B whiffs, you are probably dead or losing an advantage.
How good are your reactions? You missed a ledge trump-> BAir punish (this is self explanatory; do more of that. Do more ledge trumps in general. You don't have to BAir every time. Bowser has solid punishes on ledge trump bait situations.) You also did spotdodge -> DTilt at the corner about 4 times when Pikachu was already behind/away from you by the time your spotdodge finished. Since I don't know the answer to that question, I will withhold the specifics of my next suggestion, but if you do see your opponent end up behind you, do something about it (roll, up-b, side-b, reverse down-b etc.) Attacking in the wrong direction won't do.
Also, this is something that you'll have to start working on if you're going to play Bowser more, and this will pay dividends when you start to play other characters with better/different options: pay attention to your opponent's defensive options. Notice that they do x in a certain situation and under a certain condition. If possible, replicate the situation again, and make a mental note. Make reads. Bowser is a bait and punish character, but the beauty and fun comes from being able to make astounding reads on your opponent's choices. He punishes hard, so making good reads will help you close out stocks earlier and sit on a life lead--this is something we need more than other characters.
Even if you aren't the best at making reads, put your best effort into covering as many options as humanly possible.
edit: I can't believe I missed this, but don't short hop NAir, man. And, be more careful over-extending against characters like Pikachu. You have no business going that low to try and keep him offstage. His recovery options are a bit too good for that.
I cannot express how much I agree with this. 1 stock 30 seconds is how Smash should have been run from the beginning!Ewww, 3 stocks.
Don't worry, I was just trying out different colors and am still undecided. prolly won't use that color tho 8)Aerodome, you were letting that Pikachu do the nasty to you for most of the match. Shield more.........or just don't allow them to do whatever they want just because you're Bowser (whatever that means anymore, this isn't Maylay/Brawl). That Pikachu seemed like an insolent brat, and he got his just desserts. Also, ewwww 3-stocks.
@bowser dude that uses the same color as me:
First: Ewww, 3 stocks.
Second: Nice job. (:
Third and very important:Don't use my color.bruh, that emphasis on U-Tilt. Reminded me of how good is became after certain patch. It hits in front of you, it juggles and it sort of kills (at least, by Bowser standards...)
Same. I'm getting crushed by Mew2 in friendlies and on FG. His jab is a bigger wall then our jab, and his dash grab is like Falcon's dash grab. His standing grab range is utter trash, though, and I'm still trying to figure out if it's better to tech or jump out of confusion.You can see spots where I really had no idea what I was doing due to MU inexp. I think my set against that Mewtwo player is in there but Lord knows I have no idea how that character works in this game LOL