Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Okay. All of us with the exception of Flayl do, because Flayl wants to keep Bowser's metagame at the ridiculously bad state it is.
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Bowser vs. MK is probably not 45-55
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Popertop
Smash Champion
you can play theory fighter all you want, but Meta can just take advantage of Bowser's weakness waaay too easy, and the fact of the matter is at the highest level, Meta will win more often. I think it may be between 65:35 and 60:40 Meta's adv.
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
Personally, I think it's 55/45 Bowser, but between what you say is just dumb.
Popertop
Smash Champion
you call me dumb with a sentence that has incorrect subject-verb agreement?
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
Yes because I'm totally insulting your general intelligence and NOT your smash knowledge.
Ad hominem, my friend.
Ad hominem, my friend.
Popertop
Smash Champion
45-55 if the MK never even thought about the matchup in their life (very likely)
that being said a MK who HAS studied the matchup has...
35-65 MK favor, easily.
MK's sword ***** Bowser's everything, besides fortress and aerial klaw, but if you jump he can tornado and you lose, and i mean every time you jump! if you shield, trying to upb OoS, he can outspace it, and if you try anything else, he can outspace it or just see it coming. i forgot about grab release game didn't i? a MK with half a brain should know to stay out of your grab range, and the chaingrab is great for kills, but at high percent, if the MK gets grabbed, he deserves to lose that stock anyway. (kindof like the IC matchup, they can 0-death MK with a chaingrab, MK still wins.)
the reason i think this is because back at TP3 (northwest tourney/ TP4 HYPE!!! you should all come, 'nods',) but anyway, there's a MK named Tuen there, at TP3 we went 1-1 (friendlies) but he had no idea how to play the matchup, then, a few months later at another tourney, i got 3 stocked easily, as he used the BASIC tools i just pointed out, because he studied the matchup.
No reason for bowser to win this matchup if the MK is near the bowser in skill, and matchup knowledge, IMHO
that being said a MK who HAS studied the matchup has...
35-65 MK favor, easily.
MK's sword ***** Bowser's everything, besides fortress and aerial klaw, but if you jump he can tornado and you lose, and i mean every time you jump! if you shield, trying to upb OoS, he can outspace it, and if you try anything else, he can outspace it or just see it coming. i forgot about grab release game didn't i? a MK with half a brain should know to stay out of your grab range, and the chaingrab is great for kills, but at high percent, if the MK gets grabbed, he deserves to lose that stock anyway. (kindof like the IC matchup, they can 0-death MK with a chaingrab, MK still wins.)
the reason i think this is because back at TP3 (northwest tourney/ TP4 HYPE!!! you should all come, 'nods',) but anyway, there's a MK named Tuen there, at TP3 we went 1-1 (friendlies) but he had no idea how to play the matchup, then, a few months later at another tourney, i got 3 stocked easily, as he used the BASIC tools i just pointed out, because he studied the matchup.
No reason for bowser to win this matchup if the MK is near the bowser in skill, and matchup knowledge, IMHO
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^What this guy said. And what I have been saying about this matchup before this thread had been created.
Plus, it really is not that hard for MK to kill Bowser at all. He just needs to play smart once he pressures Bowser offstage. Bowser does not have the tools to mixup his recovery to avoid MK's insane edgeguard strategies. While Bowser's horizontal recovery goes kinda far, it will ultimately fail to repeated D-air edgeguards that lead to an edgehog.
And then there is MK just juggling the crap out of Bowser for landing on stage like he does to ROB basically.
Plus, it really is not that hard for MK to kill Bowser at all. He just needs to play smart once he pressures Bowser offstage. Bowser does not have the tools to mixup his recovery to avoid MK's insane edgeguard strategies. While Bowser's horizontal recovery goes kinda far, it will ultimately fail to repeated D-air edgeguards that lead to an edgehog.
And then there is MK just juggling the crap out of Bowser for landing on stage like he does to ROB basically.
tocador
Smash Lord
Vex pwned allys MK with booser 
MrEh
Smash Hero
Nice bump dude.
Also, it's pretty much the general consensus nowadays that it's 35-65. Attempting to argue a point that everyone agrees with already is dumb.
Also, it's pretty much the general consensus nowadays that it's 35-65. Attempting to argue a point that everyone agrees with already is dumb.
Congratulations.
B!squick
Smash Master
Stop asking and start not posting, lol.