Blazblue Mafia: Game Over! Ouroboros Breaks the Cycle

[#HBC | Ryker]

It is now Twilight.

I am currently packing to leave for Thanksgiving and Dietz is already gone, so it may be a minute.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I still think your play was by far the best this game. Everything you did either made you REALLY easy to read as town or you just **** on scum. Great use of your track ability, too. Made days like today and D3 really easy for us.

@ DtJ Glyphmoney What was Rake's ability?

His ability is what I based the majority of my claim on. He got an unknown powerup if we NK'd Ragna, but once Ragna wasn't in the game we couldn't pick that up anymore. If any of us tried to shoot Ragna, he would have automatically overridden our kill and done it himself.

 

[Takamagahara]

It is now Twilight.

I am currently packing to leave for Thanksgiving and Dietz is already gone, so it may be a minute.

Actually my family cancelled the leave tonight, so we're not gone until tomorrow morning, which means I can do flavor.

A lynch has been reached!​

1. Raziek
2. Red Ryu
3. Jexs
4. Joey
5. Glyph [4]: Joey, Jexs, Potassium, Glyph
6. Potassium


Twilight until I get home to do flavor and flips.

 

[Raziek]

flips.

End-game confirmed.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Set-up was good but I had little to no fun playing this game and never have I been so mad at a game of mafia before.

 

[Raziek]

This must be some legendary flavor coming up.

 

[Raziek]

 

[Takamagahara]

(Thanks for waiting guys, I know I took a long time but I think it was worth it. I put a lot into this one, and I'd put it in a collapse but it makes it too small to read......)

(... If you don't read it I'll murder you in your sleep tho. Fo real)

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Glyph: Rachel, Mafia Flavor Cop has been lynched!
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Night 5 Begins!
Get your night actions (or lack thereof) in by Monday 12/1/14 (extended for US Thanksgiving)
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[collapse=Surviving Players]
1. Raziek
2. Red Ryu
3. Jexs
4. Joey
5. Potassium
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[Takamagahara]

 

[Takamagahara]

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Raziek and Xonar: Carl and Nirvana, Town Tracker(s) have been slain!
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With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch!
Rebel 6 deadline is Wednesday 12/3/14 Midnight CST
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[collapse=Surviving Players]
1. Red Ryu
2. Jexs
3. Joey
4. Potassium
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[Kantrip]

Traitor inherited a kill?

Glyph really made me believe he was the last scum.

So is this is 3 indy game or a 4 mafia game?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll need a full reread for this.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Blah, go town!

(I get one of these, right? I also loved that Makoto comic)

 

[Raziek]

Go Town!

 

[Dooms]

Wait... 3 Indy? I'm lost on that one. Nabe + Bardull was one. Who was the second?

Vote: JeXs

My vote is going on JeXs due to PoE and the way he played before D4 (being in the background for a majority of it and his awkward interaction with Werekill).

I'm really confused by the set up behind this. >_>

 

[Kantrip]

I think we should NL toDay.

After we take time to think this through.

I'm gonna reread

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So a guy who lost his powers and is a miller, a guy who executed she another who has proven 2 of his three powers.

I'm assuming if I remember Kantrip said he doc'd Raz yes?

 

[Kantrip]

I doc'd Raz N3 but the no kill occurred N4. Glyph intentionally didn't kill to enable his BP gambit and my only proven ability is my vig shot.

 

[Kantrip]

There seems to have been a global roleblock on N3 that affected everything but the NK.

 

[JeXs]

vote joey

 

[JeXs]

Joey is a traitor/executioner. Soup's usage of it and claim was to let the mafia know.

 

[Kantrip]

I'll give you that that would explain why Joey's reads were surprisingly on point and is actually the option I'm leaning towards. Just double checking some things.

 

[Kantrip]

Mafia having a role cop with a traitor makes sense.

This gives an explanation for soup's role use and claim.

Joey's reads were literally "Glyph and Rake are scum, Nabedull is indy, jexs is null" like 3 Days ago. He has systematically lynched through these slots and been right. It's too perfect.

No changes in thought process, no incorrect reads, nothing. And his claimed role is bull. I've always thought that a D1 only execute that needs to be used in the last 2 days of D1 is weak and scummy. There is no reason for the restriction if it's a town role. And to have NOTHING else in this PR enriched setup? I don't think so.

The arguments for Joey town for me were a disconnect between his slot and glyphs all game and his reads being so on point and him helping lynch scum very handily. Traitor + the hugely scum tilted numbers explains this. All they needed was one mislynch and Joey set it up so it would be "easy" to get it on jexs after bussing his secret mates.

 

[Kantrip]

However I need to consider the possibility of a traitor jexs who would join the team if he found ragna also.

It's gonna come down to which of them are traitor and I intend to look at every angle to figure it out

 

[JeXs]

However I need to consider the possibility of a traitor jexs who would join the team if he found ragna also.

It's gonna come down to which of them are traitor and I intend to look at every angle to figure it out

As I said, I can't find ragna (though I technically did Night 1). I got blocked by bardull and then he got fused with Nabe, which made it so that the azure didn't exist anymore, which is also why I became a miller.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So you think Joey is more likely to have had pre information I conjunction with his reads?

 

[Kantrip]

As I said, I can't find ragna (though I technically did Night 1). I got blocked by bardull and then he got fused with Nabe, which made it so that the azure didn't exist anymore, which is also why I became a miller.

Well you were on Bardull's list and Ragna was the one with the Azure so for all intents and purposes you were looking for Ragna. He luckily managed to block you from finding him but still.

I'm gonna give the Miller claim as many points as I'm giving the execute usage for "sending a message to the scumteam"

 

[Kantrip]

So you think Joey is more likely to have had pre information I conjunction with his reads?

I'm thinking about it. Do you think it's odd his reads were basically 100% right ever since Nabedull claimed indy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's between Jexs and Joey at this point, though I don't keep my eye off Kantrip since I don't know how he knew a mass roleblock happened.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm thinking about it. Do you think it's odd his reads were basically 100% right ever since Nabedull claimed indy?

Depends, did he define why he read them as such?

 

[JeXs]

Well you were on Bardull's list and Ragna was the one with the Azure so for all intents and purposes you were looking for Ragna. He luckily managed to block you from finding him but still.

I'm gonna give the Miller claim as many points as I'm giving the execute usage for "sending a message to the scumteam"

I mean, yea I was looking for Ragna, but my purpose for doing so basically disappeared Night 1, which made me no longer have a reason to look for Ragna.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What would this make of Glyph v Souo then unless we looking for an indy.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also don't think a nl will solve anything.

 

[JeXs]

What would this make of Glyph v Souo then unless we looking for an indy.

Soup claimed with the intention to let mafia know he was traitor but glyph didn't realize it and jumped on him for what seemed like something he could push is what I'm thinking.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Soup claimed with the intention to let mafia know he was traitor but glyph didn't realize it and jumped on him for what seemed like something he could push is what I'm thinking.

Glyph tried to bus his mate out if the gates with the claim? Maybe.

Who was glyph going for tomorrow?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Soup claimed with the intention to let mafia know he was traitor but glyph didn't realize it and jumped on him for what seemed like something he could push is what I'm thinking.

Glyph tried to bus his mate out if the gates with the claim? Maybe.

Who was glyph going for tomorrow?

 

[JeXs]

Since I think Glyph didn't realize what soup was going for, he'd probably go for kantrip after soup.

 

[Kantrip]

What would this make of Glyph v Souo then unless we looking for an indy.

If it's a Joey traitor glyph didn't know soup was scum. Have to look from soups point of view to see if interactions were faked

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Reread is in order but brewyu should not make a call here.

 

[Dooms]

I want you to answer me this, Kantrip:

I understand why you would think it's too perfect to be true regarding Nabedull/Glyph/Rake in hindsight, but why did it work out that way in current time?

The answer is because of their play.

Glyph sat on me all D2 because of claim, didn't go anywhere else with reads, and then he transferred his thoughts to Nabedull after the track. That was literally all he did. 100% role mechanics and set-up and not actual reads.

Rake refused to give content in the slightest for a majority in the game aside from "The fact that he town read me was weird" regarding you and background comments like "that vote was too convenient" and "why are people town reading this guy"?

Nabedull made it obvious they were indy the second they tried to create a scenario where Raziek could have potentially been lying in order to attack the slot. After that, Nabe's attempt to just get lynches going regarding both him asking about Marshy's Ryu plan and him just wanting to lynch the popular candidate after he pretty much gave up both solidified that even more.

Look back on these three player's play (Nabedull specifically D3) and tell me that you could have imagined anyone else getting lynched regardless of my influence the second after Raziek got that guilty on Nabe. I don't think anyone else getting lynched in in days 3-5 aside from my slot pre-replacement is realistic.

As for JeXs, his play has had good moments like his Rake push D4 and his Kantrip push D1 from his perspective, his play has had bad moments like his interaction with Werekill and his defense on that, but the rest of his play was pretty null until Day 4. He went with the obvious votes that were set, yes, but once again, who didn't?

I'm fine with no-lynching if you/Ryu think it will be beneficial, but the only thing I see coming out of that is Kantrip/Ryu getting killed and this being the exact same scenario tomorrow except with me/JeXs trying to convince one person versus two people that can bounce notes off of one another and can get a better conclusion.