Blazblue Mafia: Game Over! Ouroboros Breaks the Cycle

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Would lynch raz just to threaten afk people in this game to change that. He's like the super afk dude which is mad annoying and I'd rather him be a dead dude with the possibility of the slot not being a question mark rather than wait on raz to maybe be productive one day. That **** ain't right

 

[Orboknown]

Woah Woah Woah Woah


Woah


No. Just.
No

Ain't no major reason for him to claim indy though without the pressure, hell he could have played itnoff as a scum ability by not claiming it

 

[JeXs]

Why though

Starting to see glimpses of him being town. It's not much but it's weakening my scum read of him.

 

[Orboknown]

Starting to see glimpses of him being town. It's not much but it's weakening my scum read of him.

Explain?

 

[JeXs]

I don't see him trying to push marshy as scum. And I'm getting a slight town vibe from his analysis post.

 

[Orboknown]

Can you quote/reference said post?

 

[Orboknown]

Also, os that you don't see him as the type to do so or you just think he wouldnt in this case?

 

[Kantrip]

dont townread me for pushing marshy, its really not that hard. finding my analysis post townie is legit though, that post is a stream of thought processes as i read so it should read really genuine

i havent had the chance to finish the second half of my read but ill contribute to a lynch on gorf, maven or marshy if theres one going

 

[JeXs]

ugh this game makes my brain hurt

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Ruy getting mad at marshy for flavour fishing and the fallout where he realized he was wrong reads genuine


soup coming in to complain about nobody taking initiative is hypocritical and bugs me since he didnt show any initiative to do anything but complain about other people. Not scummy but seriously annoying


soup's suspicion of me begins with his #72. This is before I posted. His reasoning is that “among the lurkers I am the one that is most suspicious to him.” not sure if he targeted me specifically or picked me at random, but i dont like that his blinders were on me since before i posted and hes been tunneling me ever since. Will have to see how genuine that “read development” is


lol then when ruy votes him he tells ruy not to “reaction test” him and makes another post complaining about activity. Oh geez


i still hold to my nabe can live sentiments


maven townreading me for “taking things seriously” after i made what... 2 posts? Saying stuff that other people had already said? Yeah thats weird to me


oh yeah just remember ruy is confirmed town. Good i can stop trying to read him now


we thuggins immediate jump onto werekill for doubting ruys claim actually bugs me for some reason. Its purely gut and obviously marshy wasnt wrong in the slightest, but his methods give me a weird feeling


oh i actually like that soup unvotes, i thought he was on me all game but it turns out he took a moment


ehh underwhelmed by gorfs entrance


mavens reason for townreading me is 100% bull. I wasnt even scumhunting and he claims he liked me because it looked like i was scumhunting. If anything i should have been null


hmm seeing his later explanation it looks like hes just relying on meta too much and seeing me play similarly to how hes seen me play as town, assuming i must be town here too.


I was dumb for entertaining even the slightest possibility of ruy being votable, but in my defense when raz came in and started calling him a scumlord i was on the other side trying to get raz to reason why ruy claims when he does. I also never voted ruy BECAUSE, while i thought he was grimy, i knew that chaco could confirm his claim and if that happened he would be clear.


Gorf refusing to provide content is annoying and he deserves the noose for being cheeky about it alone. Not acceptable play when people are trying to get all the inactives to contribute


ew gorfs justficiation for lynching ruy because it would “clear chaco” is grimy as ****


raz's reaction to chaco's confirmation reads genuine. Instead of dropping it completely he tries to find a way to believe that ruy derped so hard. Goes to asking if ruy was drunk when it happened, it really truly looks like he believed it when he said there was no way ruy would pull that as town[/collapse]
so far i have problems with gorf, we thuggin, and maven

I doubt he would push marshy when he's being suspected and marshy being one of the few not thinking he's scum.

 

[Orboknown]

Imma pass out but i have a lotbof sitting around to do tomorrow so should get a fair bit in

 

[Kantrip]

marshy case

marshy not thinking im scum is a reason he is btw. its pretty logical for people to not like me this game and marshy not contributing to hardbodying me doesnt make any sense if hes town.

his hardcore stance of "someone who pushed the claimed mason has to be scum" is a really easy and convenient way for scum to formulate some fake reads. suddenly he can accumulate a big pool of players that all "need to die" without having to come up with any reasoning.

the way he ignored gorf during the above situation is very strange behaviour. if one of them flipped scum i would definitely look at the other. its not that he called gorf town, but when asked about gorf in specific he said that he would "be able to figure his alignment out in time," essentially putting him on the backburner behind raz and werekill, two others who voted ruy

also the fact that he hasnt acknowledged my entertaining of what raz was saying as being part of the wagon doesnt make any sense. what some others said was right, for all intents and purposes i was basically part of pushing ruy. i would argue that my intentions were pretty clear, but i would also make a similar case for raz (whom marshy has been pushing mercilessly with no reason other than because raz voted a claimed miller)

iirc marshy had a brief period where he did push gorf (and it seems like he stole gorfs vote, too [dont think this means they cant be scum together, thats some WIFOM right there]) but now suddenly he has dropped that again for maven apparently (someone who didnt even vote the claimed miller). i also remember disliking maven from the amount that i read, but if maven ends up being town i would snap my attention right back to marshy as maven seems like an easy player to slap a scumread on

 

[Raziek]

Sorry for being a ****, I'm here and reading now.

 

[BarDulL]

unvote

 

[Raziek]

@ Raziek

are you still townreading gorf? you made a comment d1 how i was the only slot you disliked. is that still the case? you were making some progress towards reads d1 so what do you need to have a better view of the game?

Has moved back to nullish currently. I'm getting a better handle on my direction right now, will give you full thoughts when I finish catch-up.

 

[we thuggin]

marshy case

marshy not thinking im scum is a reason he is btw. its pretty logical for people to not like me this game and marshy not contributing to hardbodying me doesnt make any sense if hes town.

his hardcore stance of "someone who pushed the claimed mason has to be scum" is a really easy and convenient way for scum to formulate some fake reads. suddenly he can accumulate a big pool of players that all "need to die" without having to come up with any reasoning.

the way he ignored gorf during the above situation is very strange behaviour. if one of them flipped scum i would definitely look at the other. its not that he called gorf town, but when asked about gorf in specific he said that he would "be able to figure his alignment out in time," essentially putting him on the backburner behind raz and werekill, two others who voted ruy

also the fact that he hasnt acknowledged my entertaining of what raz was saying as being part of the wagon doesnt make any sense. what some others said was right, for all intents and purposes i was basically part of pushing ruy. i would argue that my intentions were pretty clear, but i would also make a similar case for raz (whom marshy has been pushing mercilessly with no reason other than because raz voted a claimed miller)

iirc marshy had a brief period where he did push gorf (and it seems like he stole gorfs vote, too [dont think this means they cant be scum together, thats some WIFOM right there]) but now suddenly he has dropped that again for maven apparently (someone who didnt even vote the claimed miller). i also remember disliking maven from the amount that i read, but if maven ends up being town i would snap my attention right back to marshy as maven seems like an easy player to slap a scumread on

 

[we thuggin]

@ Maven89
@ Raziek
@#HBC | Nabe
@ #HBC | Gorf

thoughts on the scumhunting extraordinaire i jus quoted?

 

[Raziek]

hey babe

I have a townlean on Kantrip, and switch Jexs and marshy IMO but otherwise those reads are where I'm at. Gonna talk about where I'd rather send a lynch in a bit, but by all means keep doing your thing

How the **** are you townreading Kantrip?

 

[Raziek]

request raziek replacement

this slot is among the most disgusting in the game. hes only posted to make a case on a ****ing mason and talk about himself and then disappear again. im down to lynch him today and if youre townreading him please give gorf his walrus back

maven continues to be scum

i hav nothing else to say right now

vote maven
fos raziek

Ima throw out johns here and let you know I basically got coerced into playing this game by Ryker, but whatever. I'll deal with that, my burden to bear.

I am going to play this game, it's just my motivation comes in bursts and I hate it.

 

[Raziek]

@ Maven89
@ Raziek
@#HBC | Nabe
@ #HBC | Gorf

thoughts on the scumhunting extraordinaire i jus quoted?

Okay I'm caught up now. That case was ass.

Gimme 10 minutes to take a shower and mull things over in my head, then I'll post my full thoughts. I took notes on a bunch of **** I want to hit along the way.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf almost pushing nabe dull though

care to show me where i am doing that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ Maven89
@ Raziek
@#HBC | Nabe
@ #HBC | Gorf

thoughts on the scumhunting extraordinaire i jus quoted?

if i had read it id probably say that he's wrong and bad and you are my jesus

 

[Raziek]

Confirmed Town:
Red Ryu

Townleans
We Thuggin
Soup
Bardull +Nabe
Gorf

Null
Orbo
Rake
Jexs
Maven

Scumleans
Glyph
Potassium/Kantrip

Okay. Moving through my reads individually:

We Thuggin had a number of really quality posts that really stood out to me as Town-minded. 483 was the first, which was talking about Soup's possible motivations to claim. It lined up exactly with how I felt about the situation. 545 was where I was really sold on the Town intent. That was super genuine concern over direction. All of We Thuggin's posts thus far have sat well with me, bias aside for him wanting to string me up for being an inactive ****head.

Soup's claim motivation was logical to me, and I don't see scum motivation in it. Werekill was plain and cleanly ****ed, and proving you have an ability (if it's anti-Town) by using it in an inconsequential situation is the best way to go about it. Christ knows Werekill wasn't going to be saying anything useful during the rest of the day, he'd already claimed.

I'll also add that if I was gonna role-spec at some of the motivations behind that role, I think that it may have straight up been borne out of Ryker's massive frustrations with Sleepover Mafia where (we) had Leviathan in the noose and it swung at the last minute. That we were wrong in that case is largely irrelevant, but this ability seems DELIBERATELY designed to be used in a situation like that one.

Soup's 539 also sat really well with me, he makes a very good point noting the clear disconnect between Thuggin' and Potassium. Would not lynch Soup.

Bardull + Nabe read comes from 2 factors.

1) Bardull's 561 had just about all the same reads as I did at that point in my read. I only really disagreed with the Gorf/Glyph reads, as I'm leaning the other way on both of those.

2) As I also have intimate knowledge of the flavor, I'm actually willing to buy all that business they posted with respect to it. Ragna is the centerpiece of the story and does indeed have a ****load of people hunting him for varying reasons (some good, some bad), and Nabe's explanation of the Nu role is also completely plausible and just janky enough for it to be an idea Ryker/Dietz would implement. (I read over Dietz's initial draft for a previous Blazblue set-up, there was some OUT THERE stuff).

Additionally, there's absolutely no reason for them to put themselves in the spotlight if they truly are an Indy role. It'd be completely ridiculous to completely out themselves rather than just let people speculate about a 'matchmaker' role like Marshy was.

Willing to consider that born-again Hydra Town until sufficient reasoning or Night actions gives me reason to believe otherwise.

Gorf is the weakest of my Townleans, but he's still more on that side than not. Gorf hasn't posted a LOT this dayphase, but when he did he supported Maven in his 520 and Soup in his 538. Both would've been prime opportunities for scum to put pressure on those slots, but he took neither. Aside from that, Gorf just seems to be lacking direction. I'd keep an eye on him, but certainly wouldn't consider lynching him toDay.

Basically all of my nulls are a result of either insufficient content/stances or the fact that they cause my eyes to glaze over when I try to read their posts. I'll look at one of 'em if a direction is presented that's worth considering, but I'm not really concerned about those slots at the moment.

My two scumreads at this point are Glyph and Kantrip.

to be clear, soup is claiming an execution ability that is only usable D1?

and only during the last 2 days until deadline?

^ that restriction right there makes it a really obvious scum power because if it was town that restriction would not be necessary. That time restriction is there to ensure it can't be abused to prematurely end the Day by scum. not to mention i dont buy that it was a one-shot Day 1 only ability. soup scum wanted to make sure the werekill lynch was punched through for whatever reason.

vote soup

This post here was straight up grime and based purely on ****ing role-spec and assigning motive to Soup without any evidence whatsoever to support it. He was trying to punch through a Werekill lynch? What? He could've just ****ing said NOTHING if he wanted to do that. Go ahead and go through Soup's D1 ending posts and try to find something that could suggest this motive. I dare you.

honestly that logic is full of holes

the execute itself was not of scum intent. it was obviously done just for the sake of using the ability. soup is claiming "well it was literally the only specific situation (D1, last two days before deadline, almost at a lynch anyways) that i could have used it in" so we're supposed to accept that as townie because "oh yeah soup could have not claimed that so he must be town."

no, that's ****ing bull**** and a huge FoS on we thuggin for even putting forth logic like that

This post was similarly garbage and trying to push BOTH slots for this situation is absolute ****ing nonsense.

when did i ride glyphs ****?

This also stands out as a slightly over-defensive connection between 2 slots I'm individually scum-reading. Minor, but noteworthy enough for me to point out.

My problems with Glyph stem from his ****ty pushes. The vote on Soup was trash garbage and stems from exactly the same kind of **** reasoning that Potassium provided.

His only other noteworthy post was his 498:

Why does this post exist, and why does it cover the entire spectrum of how you could have felt? Also I can't tell what subject you're even referring to here, is it Soup or Marshold2's response to it? Either way its a long way to say 'this post meant nothing to me. It was not town, but nor was it scum.' So why.

Someone who's been around, fill me in on your past impressions on Maven.

@ Maven89 give me a rundown of your mafia history por favor on top of that other junk. I want to understand what makes you tick

Which is full of ****ing empty content. There's literally nothing here.

He points out Maven's uncertainty (ok, fine), but then just directs other people to provide a read for him to piggy-back, and asks for mafia history that I don't think he was actually genuinely interested in. He hasn't returned to thread since, but I don't see any meaningful follow-up coming from it whatsoever.

In closing, I think Potassium is by far the worse of the two. His pushes have been shallow and ****ty, and the reasoning backing them is trash. Literally the ONLY thing giving me any pause on stringing this slot up is that when he said, "Ok time to actually read" I had to go 'Jesus Christ, it's possible he actually just straight up hasn't been playing'. But when I examined that in detail, I didn't see motivation for TownKantrip to try to look active by falsifying those grimy pushes just for the sake of activity.

Combine that with his grimy D1 and you've got yourself a

vote: Potassium

@ we thuggin @#HBC | marshy : Get at me and bounce stuff off me. I'd like to know your thoughts on my thoughts, as funny as that sounds.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

it is the worst thing ever when youre on mobile and people post post #

 

[we thuggin]

****ing

THANK YOU RAZ

now if yu posted stuff like this all the time!

slap maven at the bottom of yur scum pool with nabe in null n were in business. but i dont care about bard/nabe atm

i was less than enthusiastic to see glyph spend d1 sandbagging then hit d2 with a focus on soups claim with nothing else. i was confused as to what prompted him to come alive today. my only pause is that while i havnt played with glyph in years my memory of him is as town hell b kinda bored with the game while hes active as scum. im still fine slapping him in the scumpool due to not having much else to work with and me not liking his play today without meta goggles

orbo/rake/jexs concern me. i need waaaaay more from all 3 b4 i can spin their alignments either way

potato i still hav no idea about. i wuldnt cry over his lynch but i cant shake the feeling hes just playing bad. at least if he flips town that sets me up to lynch maven with no resistance

 

[JeXs]

I'd go gorf/glyph today. Will have to reread maven soon-ish I guess.

 

[Kantrip]

And now marshy says he thinks I'm town but would be fine with my lynch because it would let him lynch maven with no resistance

This is bull****. He's not trying all that hard to get maven over me even though he thinks I'm town

So scummy

 

[Kantrip]

Maven or gorf goes toDay. Both those lynches help figure out a lot of ****

Vote Gorf

My preference.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

youre literally doing the exact same thing that youre calling marshy scummy about by wanting to lynch me.

seriously. what non marshy related **** do you figure out by lynching me? you just think itll make a stronger case on marshy cuz reasons. and i bet no matter what i flip the conclusion for you is gonna be marshy scum.

 

[Kantrip]

Marshy doesn't think I am scum.

I think you are scum.

Marshys read on maven will not be affected by my flip.

My read on marshy will be affected by your flip.

 

[Kantrip]

Marshy is literally saying that I can be lynched because he can't be arsed to explain why I'm town or why someone else is scum.

That is not the same as me wanting to lynch one of my scumreads who actually has support to lynch and whose flip will help me read other players.

Try again

 

[we thuggin]

ay yo potato yu ready to stop bein a hatin ass ***** n vote maven wit me like a real g? time to get some swag boi

 

[Orboknown]

Whens deadline?

 

[Takamagahara]

Whens deadline?

Deadline continues to be 11/7/14 Midnight CST (aka tomorrow at Midnight)

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1. Orboknown
2. Raziek
3. Maven [2]: We Thuggin, We Thuggin
4. Red Ryu
5. Bardull + Nabe
6. Gorf [3]: Maven, Jexs, Potassium
7. Jexs
8. Soup [1]: Glyph
9. Glyph
10. Kantrip [4]: Rake, Soup, Red Ryu, Raziek
11. Rake [3]: Mod, Mod, Mod
12. We Thuggin

Not Voting:
Orboknown, Bardull/Nabe
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Apologies for leaving Thuggin's double vote off earlier in the non-swag version. It just wasn't cool enough to handle it.

PM me or give me an @ Takamagahara if you notice any other errors.

 

[Maven89]

I'm sorry for my lack of posting in this game, I'm still getting used to mafia and I'm now playing 4. I made a commitment though so no more inactivity!

I've managed to skim these last few pages but haven't read enough to make any large posts, so I'll just do some quick thoughts and get back here later tonight

1. My idea that Bardull/Nabe did some sort of crazy claim gambit in the hopes of derailing everyone with their list is really dumb. I was thinking they might have gotten the idea due to how many claims their have been, but there's little benefit to such risk.

2. Marshy, I do not understand why you think I'm scum. You said it was because I was defending Potassium in Day 1, but you also think Potassium is town? And you started this day saying that you were about to vote for Soup due to his attacks on Potassium. So I'm honestly clueless as to what your reasons are and need to explain them more then just "he's scum" or "i think he's scummy".

3. Gorf, gorf gorf. I don't like that he's probably not going to be lynched today, and that all he has to do is slink off and people just won't vote for him. I don't get why people are townreading him either. Can anyone name a single productive thing he's done? A single attempt at scum hunting that wasn't just voting for our confirmed town masons?

4. I didn't even read Potassium's push on We Thuggin, but the main reason I've been agreeing with We Thuggin is that we've seem to be vibing for most of the game. not so recently. I want We Thuggin to explain more about why they think I'm scum because I don't see what he's talking about and I need some sense of where he's coming from to tell.

5. Potassium can die today. I've given up on the whole "but that's just how potassium" plays meta attempt. I'm not even going to really attempt to use meta at all anymore, cause I feel that was just letting him slide by with whatever thing he says.

6. Again I just skimmed but I noticed Jex seemed to be jumping from vote to vote? I'll have to double check

 

[Orboknown]

Vote:kantrip

 

[Kantrip]

its looking like im the direction so imma just claim

im some annoying chick with a posting restriction that I have to "stick my tongue out at someone each Day" in some form. D1 I responded to someone with a pic of a cat and toDay i used the emoticon at someone at some point

im a town JoaT. i tried to cop gorf last Night but got roleblocked

i have 2 other abilities that may or may not be worth roleblocking me over

 

[Maven89]

Someone explain what Joat is

Also Potato what is your character name?

 

[BarDulL]

Right now, I'm leaning on letting Kantrip live, but I'm wondering just how plausible a roleblock was to hit him.

I do agree with him regarding marshy taking generally easy approaches for the most part.

Someone explain what Joat is

Also Potato what is your character name?

A JoaT is a Jack of all Trades. Basically it's a role that comes with, atypically, 2-4 one-shot (one time use) abilities that are different from each other. Presumably, one of these abilities was a "cop"-esque ability.

Curiously, do you have a use for asking for his name?

 

[BarDulL]

To extrapolate what I mean regarding marshy...lets be honest here, him trying to narrow down the lynch to people that were pushing Ruy on D1 for claiming was easy, because it was inherently silly to begin with for people to be pushing Ruy's slot when Chaco could just confirm.

Not to come off as arrogant or rude to the people who were doing it, of course...

Additionally, I feel like his off-hand undermining of a couple slots is unnecessary, especially when the slots in questions are pretty active and providing good content in comparison to some of the other ones that seem to have fallen off his rader.

 

[Kantrip]

thank you for getting at what i was sayin bout marshy

and now hes also seemed to drop that avenue which is strange

i want gorf dead quite bad and im bitter my cop didnt go through on him