Honestly, having looked things over again, I don't think Fandango's play is bad. These posts stuck out to me in passing though with respect to him pushing in the direction of certain slots but essentially keeping his hands clean.
J, what are you even saying here. What's the point of this question?
Like this one. The language heavily implies disagreement with a doubtful tone, and this was when pressure was being exerted on J in the early game, but he didn't throw his vote down when the language suggests that it would have made sense to him to throw a vote down here.
Isn't there? What do you think of Thug's big mechanical post about Glyph?
This question is loaded because the word 'mechanical' suggests that Thug's post is flawed to begin with. I don't know, just small things like this that stood out to me. I think Thug is fine, for the record.
Also y'all are focusing too much on whether Glyph's ability makes sense for town, or scum, or if he planned up with J to do it, none of that can be deciphered now and most of it its wifom, its best to focus on the intent of his actions.
I also didn't like that he was trying to chalk up Glyph's actions to WIFOM and to subsequently label them null, but still push the slot regardless. Frankly, just about anything in Mafia can be construed as WIFOM, what really matters in the end is being able to discern which side makes more sense.
I don't like this, your biggest reasoning has always been "But it took us out of RVS guys!" Scum can gain as much as town from them being the ones to push the game out of RVS and lead the game to the direction theiy want, Soup noted that most of the dayphase was probably going to be focused on your shot, and so far he is right. You've ignored my question as to why didn't you wait for later to use it. Also now you are saying J is your biggest scumread, can you explain why?
This is a legitimate post, but this also seems to contradict Fandango's stance on Glyph's early play being too WIFOMy to label as either alignment.
@#HBC | Laundry Talk to me. You are voting Bardul right now, but your posts srt of read like you suspect Maven just as much, if not more. Elaborate a bit more on the two, and which one do you think town should be pursuing today. On that note, what do you think of the contradiction of Glyph's reasoning for targetting J (that newbies were getting buddy buddy with him) that Maven pointed out.
Given that myself and Maven are Town, this is also a bothersome post.
Thug because:
His first post into the game was a horrible mechanical post that helps town in no way, read off like more of a justification to vote Glyph than a real reasoning behind it. He didn;t address Glyph specifically in that post, but talked about the ifs and explained dayvig roles, so we know it was a pressure vote either.
His #141 in reply to Soup is also bad, because he keeps talking about why what Glyph did was wrong, but it once again comes as justification for his vote, he hasn't addressed Glyph yet.
But he got better in his 282 when he actually goes against Glyph directly, his other post I disliked is his 341 when he came and ranted about people not voting, there are multiple reasons why people would not vote despite applying pressure to someone, especially considering it is early Day 1 in an closed set up game, so that post just sort of read to me like trying to generate filler content.
Glyph and Thug are my scum leans so far, but I am not confident on either yet.
I don't have Glyph or Thug as scum at the moment, so this stark contrast in reads is worrisome to me.
I mean there's so much about Glyph that makes no sense and contradicts his actions.
Glyph's justification for using the shot to get us out of RVS makes no sense because RVS is hardly an actual real issue in these games for the most part, and the game was too early for anyone to complain about RVS.
Glyph's reasoning for targeting J doesn't check out, as pointed out by Maven.
Glyph claims he didn't need to tell us he made the shot, but he starts the shot by making it look like a command action (bull**** mixup) then later is when he tell us he didn;t really had to say. Why not just say, "I am gonna shoot J" why disguise it as phase-active power role?
He's been gone from the thread for a considerably amount of time despite being the game's focus point.
I tried to pressure the slot into giving answers, but after a while he just stopped, and I wasn't satisfied with the ones I got anyway.
I think this is the best direction for the day, only reason why I'd be okay let Glyph live is because of his "d2 ability" and I find that a poor reason at best, considering I have no reason to actually believe him.
I want everyone's thoughts on this, but specially
@#HBC | Laundry 's opinion.
Vote: Glyph
Terrible post. If Glyph flips town it gives you leeway to pursue anyone who voted him. smh
Because its WIFOM
THAT'S WHY NO ONE IS ANSWERING IT BARDULL
How about being able to control the direction of the phase? What direction has Glyph pursued, What alternatives to the focus his action brought has he presented? Scum gains a lot from directing town's focus.
Read my 892, and give me your opinion on that.
Here's another thing. I honestly don't believe Glyph had any intentions on leading Town's focus, because he blatantly used an ability that had the potential to kill J. Why, at any point, would Glyph expect anyone to follow his lead? He would have to be a fool to not expect an outcome semblant to what has occurred here; no one is interested in seeing him lead, and he was put in a position of heavy suspicion. Poetry.
I just think it's raunchy that Fandango claims my approach to the Glyph predicament is WIFOM, but then he turns around and puts his own spin on it and says "Glyph is still scum despite the fact that I stated that Glyph's actions can be looked at as being done by either alignment."
Vote: Maven
Glyph is not happening today.
My obvious problem with this vote is that the vote isn't well substantiated and is obviously going to be excused as policy. I mean, based on Fandango's previous interactions with Maven, I feel like Town Fandango would have stepped in at some point to help Maven, especially since Maven's initial approach to Glyph (which is what got Maven lynched) is essentially the same exact approach Fandango had to the Glyph slot.
I'm comfortable with my vote at this point in time.