Black Knight for Brawl (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[Kirby knight]

Because Marth is and always will be a million times better than Macaiah.

Because Marth is and always will be a million times better than the Black Knight

If Krystal is in, then i wouldnt want Micaiah in Brawl.

I guess you don't want Ike either? You know how much of a Link clone he seems to be :/

Micaiah overall seems to add more vareity in the roaster than almost any other Fire Emblem that has been suggested. Not only that introducing Micaiah would advertise FE10 to those outside of Japan (Which Micaiah as a whole has been developing a strong fanbase in Japan).

:/ it would be foolish for any Black Knight fan to think Micaiah doesn't stand a chance.

-Knight

 

[IllidR]

but no more swords X_X

There are only a handful of sword users. They're vastly outnumbered by unarmed fighters. So if anything go protest them.

 

[Pieman0920]

Wah! I forgot this for a bit. :O

Anyways, people thought I was suggesting that BK be a clone of Ganondorf? Now that's just dumb. I mean Ike, who has the exact same weapon as him (bar name), and was trained by the exact same person. He screams clone like no one else. (And the Black Knight using anything else besides Alondite would be freaky in of itself)

And that clone-tastic pottential that BK has is what makes Micaiah seems like a better choice. Arguing that she'd be a Zelda clone is just silly, but arguing that BK would be a Ike clone is very legitimate, more so than almost any other character. =/

 

[raphtmarqui]

^Yea, unfortionately BK probably would be a clone. If it was me tho i would make a moveset based on all Generals from the FE series. That means hed at least have a couple of lance moves.

 

[adumbrodeus]

but he is not that cool :S

Ill accept him just if he comes with a trident or an axe or something... but no more swords X_X

Erm, swords are the most varied weapon in form and function (baring the banned gun), it's not that we have too many swords, it's that they keep reusing the same type of sword.

 

[Legolastom]

Because Marth is and always will be a million times better than the Black Knight



I guess you don't want Ike either? You know how much of a Link clone he seems to be :/

Micaiah overall seems to add more vareity in the roaster than almost any other Fire Emblem that has been suggested. Not only that introducing Micaiah would advertise FE10 to those outside of Japan (Which Micaiah as a whole has been developing a strong fanbase in Japan).

:/ it would be foolish for any Black Knight fan to think Micaiah doesn't stand a chance.

-Knight

No one said she didn't stand a chance i was just saying that i didn't like the character.

And why do we need variety from Fire emblem? we got a monkey with duel guns and a jet pack, a plumber that shoots fire, a sneaky man with a lot of explosives, a dinosaur and some freaking Eskimos!

And what would make her magic so different from any of the others projectiles?

And Ike as a Link clone? are you joking? or if you were trying to convey some point across PLEASE tell me what that is.

 

[Pieman0920]

^Why would they forsake variety for one series, when there is so much in others?

(And it's easy as pie to make magic work in a different way that other things, because it's a ill-defined thing by nature.)

 

[Legolastom]

... And since when was shooting fire balls out of your hand and an Electric mouse defined by nature?

But why would you forsake a popular villain that is very important to that part of the series and the main rival to the other character that got into Brawl just for the sake of variety?

 

[Kirby knight]

No one said she didn't stand a chance i was just saying that i didn't like the character.

Ok that's fine.

And why do we need variety from Fire emblem? we got a monkey with duel guns and a jet pack, a plumber that shoots fire, a sneaky man with a lot of explosives, a dinosaur and some freaking Eskimos!

Why not have more variety from Fire Emblem? It's already portrayed has having dull cliche sword users (not my opinion) so I don't see why adding someone who uses Light Magic who would be entirely unique from any other Fire Emblem character is such a bad idea. Fire Emblem would benifit alot more from sales if it could shed this "Sword people" only image and appeal to a wider range of people. Fire Emblem deserves to have variety. If now why not just slap Marth, Roy and Ike onto the roaster and call it a day; how unique.....

And what would make her magic so different from any of the others projectiles?

Have you played a single Fire Emblem game? There's really no need to elaborate on that subject if you have. There are plenty of youtube vids showcasing Light magic from FE9 and FE10, it's quite stunning if you ask me.

And Ike as a Link clone? are you joking? or if you were trying to convey some point across PLEASE tell me what that is.

That was a joke, but I was also trying to get a point across to some simpleton. He said that he wouldn't want Krystal in if Micaicah was in because they both use a staff. The point I was trying to make was; even though they may share a similar weapon their fighting styles would be vastly different from each other. See Link and Ike.

But why would you forsake a popular villain that is very important to that part of the series and the main rival to the other character that got into Brawl just for the sake of variety?

Being a villain is really all the Black Knight has going for him. He's not more important than many of the lords in the Fire Emblem series. Granted I still think he has a chance but Micaicah brings much more to the table than he does. Not to mention she has a popular fanbase, which serves as a testing ground to how she's going to be recived outside of Japan.

The Black Knight is not as important to the Fire Emblem Franchise as you might think. If anything Micaiah is more important than he is to the franchise.

^Why would they forsake variety for one series, when there is so much in others?

(And it's easy as pie to make magic work in a different way that other things, because it's a ill-defined thing by nature.)

I agree.

-Knight

 

[OniLink171]

Okaaaaaaay.... BK is not just a villain. He's a two game villain, and a freaking tough one at that. He's definatly not a clone of Ike, albeit their similarities, because he wears a huge set of armor, has arcane powder/lances/dark attacks. He was taught by Gawain t be aggressive and sadistic, while Ike's style is more subdued and graceful, due to Griel's humility/loss of a good sword arm. BK uses Luna, Ike uses Aether. Besides, Ike also trained under Stefan for a short while (support conversation after the desert laguz battle).

I'd like Machaiah (I don't think I spelled that right....) and BK in Brawl.

 

[Legolastom]

And why would you say that Machaich is more important to the franchise than he is? she has appeared in one game (And wasn't even the main lord in all of it).

 

[Mew2King]

Why are you arguing about a character no one cares about

 

[Fawriel]

Why are you arguing about a character no one cares about

Why are you too lazy to use punctuation?


And if no one cared about the character, no one would be arguing about him. Or her. I'm not sure which one you meant.

And, Legolastom, Ike was the secondary lord of that game. Micaiah is more central.

 

[LockeExe]

Why are you arguing about a character no one cares about

Apparently, if people are arguing about this character. Someone is bound to care about him.

On the other hand, I don't think Black Knight would be too great of a choice for Brawl. A Radiant Dawn representative (outside of Ike) would be great, IE Micaiah, Sothe.

I'm probably the only person who wants Sothe in though. :| Micaiah would be a great addition as well.

Why are you too lazy to use punctuation?


And if no one cared about the character, no one would be arguing about him. Or her. I'm not sure which one you meant.

And, Legolastom, Ike was the secondary lord of that game. Micaiah is more central.

I wouldn't say secondary lord. They're both main lords to their own groups. (Since parts of the games you're controlling Ike's Mercenary's (which obviously, Ike is the lead). The other parts, you're controlling the Dawn Brigade (Micaiah is the lead).

They're both uh, I'm not sure how to say it, very important lords in Radiant Dawn.

 

[LockeExe]

EDIT: Sorry. . . Double post. e__e; Not sure how to delete messages, either.

 

[Mew2King]

I'd say Marth and Sigurd are the best next choices

 

[LockeExe]

I'd say Marth and Sigurd are the best next choices

I have to agree with you there.

 

[GenG]

Lucas proved that Japanese only characters still have a place in Smash Bros., plus is Marth we are talking about here and almost every Smash and Fire Emblem player over the world at least know who he is.

Micaiah is nowhere as important. And the Black Knight... well... neither.

Marth is like HALO 3. Is the most sold game, a very solid one but it seems that no one likes the game in Internet.

 

[OniLink171]

I'd say Marth and Sigurd are the best next choices

Nooooo..... I don't even know who sigurd is, and i wouldn't know anything about marth except for the fact that he was in SSBM and was incredibly awesome. All Ike has to do is be awesomer, a job he's done pretty well so far, if smashbros.com is to be believed (we can assume he's just as fast, but Ike doesn't flinch, so HA).
BK does not have the potential to be a clone of anything the same way Ganondorf didn't have a potential to be a clone. But I doubt they're gonna screw around with any characters as much as they did in SSBM. Let me put it this way - if BK was a clone, many people would.....

A)kill themsleves with they're wiimote
B)Help to burn down Nintendo HQ
C)throw they're wii at someone and go on a homicidal rampage armed with they're wiimote and nunchuk
D)roll eyes and say, "Nintendo did it again...." (this is the "normal people" reaction).

 

[Kirby knight]

Lucas proved that Japanese only characters still have a place in Smash Bros., plus is Marth we are talking about here and almost every Smash and Fire Emblem player over the world at least know who he is.

Micaiah is nowhere as important.

Neither is the Black Knight in terms of importance. :/ Do you have to bring up the obvious fact that Marth is the most important lord in the Fire Emblem franchise (non game related, just what he founded, very first lord, first fe game, etc etc.

-Knight

 

[xianfeng]

GenG you better not be saying that Micaiah is nowhere near as important as Ike because if you are *shakes fist angrily* but if you are talking about compared to Marth than I wholeheartedly agree

 

[Legolastom]

Did you just say that she is as important as Ike!?!?... XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD o god stop it your killing me.

 

[GenG]

Sorry guys, I thought I was in the MICAIAH thread. Edited with "neither the BK is".

 

[Legolastom]

Lucas proved that Japanese only characters still have a place in Smash Bros., plus is Marth we are talking about here and almost every Smash and Fire Emblem player over the world at least know who he is.

Micaiah is nowhere as important. And the Black Knight... well... neither.

Marth is like HALO 3. Is the most sold game, a very solid one but it seems that no one likes the game in Internet.

Well considering this is mainly a Nintendo forum there could be a liiiiiiitle bias.

And of course they are not as important as Marth but he is more important than her.

 

[Fawriel]

Did you just say that she is as important as Ike!?!?... XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD o god stop it your killing me.

Micaiah is as important as Ike.

*prods with a stick*

 

[GenG]

Micaiah is as important as Ike.

That's risky. I haven't played RD but if Micaiah is more important than Ike it should be from a very very plot general standpoint, and making Path of Radiance war look as a minor guerrilla fight compared to what's told in RD.

That implies assuming Micaiah is more important in RD than both Ike's roles combined.

Which I don't think it's the case. But could be.

 

[Pieman0920]

... And since when was shooting fire balls out of your hand and an Electric mouse defined by nature?

But why would you forsake a popular villain that is very important to that part of the series and the main rival to the other character that got into Brawl just for the sake of variety?

Because he's as good as a clone. Keep him in as that, or make him a alt suit, whatever. There is no variety in him. You'd find more in Black Shadow or Wolf. The point is he's not as good as choice as Micaiah, and thus shouldn't take her place as a seperate character. And to be quite frank, Micaiah is indeed more important than him. She's also more important than Ike in RD, but Ike trumps her over all with the second game. BK does not. =/

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to mention one other thing. Sigurd's chances are dirt poor with Marth around. Those two along with Ike have to much in common. Not only that, but Celice is the main character of FE4, not Siggy.

 

[Kirby knight]

That's risky. I haven't played RD but if Micaiah is more important than Ike it should be from a very very plot general standpoint, and making Path of Radiance war look as a minor guerrilla fight compared to what's told in RD.

That implies assuming Micaiah is more important in RD than both Ike's roles combined.

Which I don't think it's the case. But could be.

Judging by what I have read about Radiant Dawn, Micaiah and Ike are basicly on equal terms of importance in it. Without the other no events would be able to take place during the Radiant Dawn.

Originally Posted by Legolastom
Did you just say that she is as important as Ike!?!?... XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD o god stop it your killing me.

I guess you haven't played or read about Radiant Dawn have you? Both Ike and Micaiah are on equal terms of importance in the game. Is there something wrong with having a female sharing the star lead with a male?

-Knight

 

[LockeExe]

Judging by what I have read about Radiant Dawn, Micaiah and Ike are basicly on equal terms of importance in it. Without the other no events would be able to take place during the Radiant Dawn.



I guess you haven't played or read about Radiant Dawn have you? Both Ike and Micaiah are on equal terms of importance in the game. Is there something wrong with having a female sharing the star lead with a male?

-Knight

That's exactly what I said. They both play a very important Role in Radiant Dawn, as Micaiah is the leader of the Dawn Brigade.

Because he's as good as a clone. Keep him in as that, or make him a alt suit, whatever. There is no variety in him. You'd find more in Black Shadow or Wolf. The point is he's not as good as choice as Micaiah, and thus shouldn't take her place as a seperate character. And to be quite frank, Micaiah is indeed more important than him. She's also more important than Ike in RD, but Ike trumps her over all with the second game. BK does not. =/

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to mention one other thing. Sigurd's chances are dirt poor with Marth around. Those two along with Ike have to much in common. Not only that, but Celice is the main character of FE4, not Siggy.

I don't understand how you guys automatically assume a character is a clone. Let's say Black Knight was a character, I think Sakurai and his dev team would make him a completely unique character. Just because in Fire Emblem, a character only really has 3 or so attack animations wouldn't mean that he would be a clone. Sakurai and his dev team is creative and a bit unpredictable, I don't think he would be a clone.

I have to agree with you that Micaiah is a much better choice.

And Sigurd's chances are decent. He's popular with Japan and he's Sakurai's favorite character.

 

[IllidR]

Black Knight definitely needs a lot more support. For some reason it seems to be Black Knight fans clashing with Macaiah fans on who would get in and who would be the better representative. Why can't we just ditch Marth and let them both in?

Quoting myself. I wanted to stop the feud not keep it going in this thread. When will this madness end!

 

[Pieman0920]

That's exactly what I said. They both play a very important Role in Radiant Dawn, as Micaiah is the leader of the Dawn Brigade.



I don't understand how you guys automatically assume a character is a clone. Let's say Black Knight was a character, I think Sakurai and his dev team would make him a completely unique character. Just because in Fire Emblem, a character only really has 3 or so attack animations wouldn't mean that he would be a clone. Sakurai and his dev team is creative and a bit unpredictable, I don't think he would be a clone.

I have to agree with you that Micaiah is a much better choice.

And Sigurd's chances are decent. He's popular with Japan and he's Sakurai's favorite character.

He's got the same weapon though, and trained by the same person as Ike. How is that not clone-tastic? Heck, half the clones from Melee have more things that put them farther apart from the person they were cloned from than BK does. =/


And I've posted my views on Sigurd in the Sigurd topic. (And he's not Sakurai's favorite either...)

Oh and Illid, Marth chances are still higher, and he definatly should get in before BK. >_>

 

[Legolastom]

Judging by what I have read about Radiant Dawn, Micaiah and Ike are basicly on equal terms of importance in it. Without the other no events would be able to take place during the Radiant Dawn.



I guess you haven't played or read about Radiant Dawn have you? Both Ike and Micaiah are on equal terms of importance in the game. Is there something wrong with having a female sharing the star lead with a male?

-Knight

I dont remember the person mentioning just RD when they made that statement...

But you people are starting to act like Radiant dawn is the only game... its not and BK is the most important villain in the series... he starred in 2 games and the only other villain that could be more important is Whats-Her-Face from the older games... and she is less of a villain more fo a boss.

 

[Pieman0920]

He didn't star in either~

 

[Legolastom]

What!? who didn't start in either what?

 

[Pieman0920]

Black Knight wasn't the staring villian in either games, especially not RD. =P

 

[Deleted member]

I dont remember the person mentioning just RD when they made that statement...

But you people are starting to act like Radiant dawn is the only game... its not and BK is the most important villain in the series... he starred in 2 games and the only other villain that could be more important is Whats-Her-Face from the older games... and she is less of a villain more fo a boss.

I remember you!

Anyway, I doubt BK will be in. Not that he didn;t have a great role, or wasn't badass story mode wise (he was/is, just wait till he takes off the helmet...), but we already have a rep from his games, Ike.

I personally think he would be better suited for a boss for Ike.

 

[Kirby knight]

I dont remember the person mentioning just RD when they made that statement...

But you people are starting to act like Radiant dawn is the only game... its not and BK is the most important villain in the series... he starred in 2 games and the only other villain that could be more important is Whats-Her-Face from the older games... and she is less of a villain more fo a boss.

Don't assume that. I'm well aware of the events that happen to PoR in relation to RD. I just don't think he's as important as you say he is. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Ashnard the central villain of PoR? Ike's confrontation with the Black Knight was more or less due to personal reasons.

Also Black Knight is a villain; that in itself is the problem. Not only is the Black Knight not the central Villain in both PoR and RD, he's less important than other lord type characters (main characters). I mean it would be nice if Fire Emblem had the same storyline, but it doesn't. If it did I would say that Black Knight would have better chances than he does now.

Just because your a villain doesn't give you the merit over other more important lord type characters. The Black Knight has a chance of appearing in Brawl but playable? I have my doubts.

^_^ overall it would be nice if the Micaiah fans and Black Knight fans wouldn't have the tension between the characters but I doubt that'll happen; as they seem to be overlapping each other when it comes to poteintal FE spots.

-Knight

 

[Legolastom]

Well the way I see it Ashard is just another "Bad guy starting a war" basically a dime a dozen in the FE series while BK may not be the most original but at least there isn't one of him in each and every game... in fact there is one of him in two games... except the same one.

But considering in these games how rare it is for you to see a character more than once thats what i think gives BK more importance than Micaiah and considering that she is supposed to be the main character of her game and she isn't even the central focus in the whole of it doesn't exactly help her.

 

[Kirby knight]

But considering in these games how rare it is for you to see a character more than once thats what i think gives BK more importance than Micaiah and considering that she is supposed to be the main character of her game and she isn't even the central focus in the whole of it doesn't exactly help her.

I really don't agree. Tell me how important the Black Knight is compared to Micaiah's importance to the plot of Radiant Dawn. It's obvious that she is more important than the Black Knight.

Is the Black Knight the central focus of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn as a whole? He isn't and it really hurts his chances as well. I'm not saying that the Black Knight isn't important to PoR and RD; he is very important but he isn't the central focus of the games.

The Black Knight appearing in two games is a plus, but I don't think it's Amazing...and that really shouldn't carry him over for consideration to become a playable character.

-Knight

 

[Pieman0920]

You know, BK's "boss" who was in both games but played his villain role in the second one would probably be a cooler candidate. Wouldn't be a clone either. =/