Black Knight for Brawl (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[IllidR]

Isn't this gannondork's victory animation?

It's very similar, not exactly the same.

 

[Legolastom]

Hate to tell you, but not only does that not make him a better choice, its the chief reason why hes unlikely to be in. Fire Emblem is not like most other video game series - it changes characters with almost every game, heroes and villains alike. This gives it a very wide selection of characters for a game like SSB. Now, much as some may like to see villains in the game, it is both logical and supported by the game's history that heroes take precedent before villains of their games. It is logical because heroes almost always (and certainly always in Fire Emblem) play a more important role to their games villains - they are, by definition, the main character(s), the central focus of the game's story - and because, partially as a side-effect of that, they're almost always more popular and beloved, and thus more recognizable, than the villains.

But considering that Black Knight starred in two games as a major villain and boss (Which is unique to him in the series... i believe... might have been one other guy) that of course makes him much more recognizable than say a certain female that starred in a game that doesn't even have a release date here.

The support from the game's history should be fairly obvious, but I'll spell it out anyway. In the first SSB game, there were no villains whatsoever, not even Bowser, and yet two games had two characters, and in both instances they were two heroes - Mario and Luigi and Pikachu and Jigglypuff. Move on to Melee, and you have two (arguably three) villains, out of twenty-six distinct characters. Whats more, take a look at the characters from the series those villains were taken from. Bowser was in from Mario's, true, but in addition to him two heroes from the same series were added. Ganondorf's though is perhaps the most telling of all - out of five characters from the Zelda series, he was one of two that had be made clones in order to make it into the game due to the time constraints, and his cloning was utterly nonsensical, since he lacks any relation to the character he was cloned from, which truly shows it was a desperate attempt to get him in. Yet both Zelda and her alter-ego Sheik were given utterly unique moves. Thats a pretty clear indication that both took precedence over Ganondorf in terms of priorities. I think that sends a pretty clear message in that regard.

Well of course heroes come before villains but that doesn't mean that all heroes come before villains... I mean using Zelda as an example... is a bit iffy considering that her name is the actual name of the series and that Ganondorf didn't really get a personality till 9-12 years after he first appeared. And if they had to actually go to extreme measures so as cloning to get G-Dorf in doesn't that show they at least care about him?

Now, take this reasoning, and apply it to a series with dozens of mostly equally important heroes to choose from, and what do you arrive at? Simply that all its representatives are highly likely to be its heroes. To overcome them, a villain would need to stand out even among them, and simply put, the Black Knight does not, neither in terms of importance to the series (hes not even the main villain of either of his games, and in the first chiefly exists to give Ike a personal sub-plot of tragedy and revenge) nor in terms of popularity.

Well from what i have gathered from several boards and other places Black Knight is actually some what popular... not just as the most prominent villain to the west but as the main rival of a character that is already in.

And how would you say mostly equal importance of heroes? would you say that Alm is more important than Marth Siguard or Ike?

Consider also this: as noted, Fire Emblem is a very diverse saga, with new characters almost every game. As you noted, the likely amount of characters for it to receive is three, owing to its immense popularity in Japan but mediocre popularity elsewhere. Does it not seem foolish to add multiple characters from the same game in light of this? To do so would be to represent only a small part of the Fire Emblem series in the game, and not the series as a whole, since unlike with others where all the important characters are present in every game and can thus represent the entire series perfectly adequately, in Fire Emblem the important characters change from game to game. Why, then, use the Black Knight when Ike already represents both games he comes from, and Micaiah can better represent the second if needed? This, incidentally, also makes the "hes Ike's rival" attempt at rationalizing him invalid - that might get him a spot as a subspace emissary boss, but certainly is no feather in his cap when it comes to being playable, owing precisely to the fact that Ike already represents the part of the series he comes from far better than he could.

So your saying that Micaiah would better represent the whole series than Black Knight? I mean she isn't anything special just appearing in that one game I mean she could represent the magic side but if you say that then you could say that Black Knight could represent the villains side which is far more important than just another character class.

Incidentally, Black Knight is also not the only potential villain for the series - most any of them would work just as well as he (Lyon of Sacred Stones, Nergal of Blazing Sword, Zephiel of Sword of Seals, etc), some arguably even better actually; Black Knight is simply the only one who has been hyped around here (probably due to being a swordsman rather than a magician and the rather limited view of the series possessed by most of the countries the members of this board come from).

You realize that those are the GBA games? and that Japan don't really like them... and not to mention that out of the other world wide games PoR is the most popular.

Limited view? those villains you just mentioned are not even Japan exclusive bar Nergal because i cant remember weather it was sword of seals of Blazing sword was the Japan exclusive.

Oh, and before you play the "Sakurai said he wanted more villains" card - if you want to argue using that, give some proof of it, please. I've seen that claim (and its counterpart for females) many times already, but never seen it substantiated, so at this point I'm inclined to believe it to be hyperbole or outright lies which people have come to believe due to wanting to believe it.

Well Micaiah fans use the female argument as much as we use the villain argument... but anyways all the other reasons are good enough

And on a side note Black Knight could use teleport powder and even have a few attacks borrowed from other Generals to make him more unique.

 

[Stryks]

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/826/826925/fire-emblem-radiant-dawn--20071012111849618.jpg

rejoice, radiant dawn art!

 

[Kirby knight]

omg resize please

EDIT:

Thanks for editing.

-Knight

 

[Legolastom]

*Drools*

Wow and exploding building and a fight to the death with a Dragon and the person who saves the world... and he comes out with 3 scars.

 

[Stryks]

What? ur totally insane Lego!

He has FOUR scars!!

so bored

 

[Pieman0920]

But considering that Black Knight starred in two games as a major villain and boss (Which is unique to him in the series... i believe... might have been one other guy) that of course makes him much more recognizable than say a certain female that starred in a game that doesn't even have a release date here.



Well of course heroes come before villains but that doesn't mean that all heroes come before villains... I mean using Zelda as an example... is a bit iffy considering that her name is the actual name of the series and that Ganondorf didn't really get a personality till 9-12 years after he first appeared. And if they had to actually go to extreme measures so as cloning to get G-Dorf in doesn't that show they at least care about him?



Well from what i have gathered from several boards and other places Black Knight is actually some what popular... not just as the most prominent villain to the west but as the main rival of a character that is already in.

And how would you say mostly equal importance of heroes? would you say that Alm is more important than Marth Siguard or Ike?



So your saying that Micaiah would better represent the whole series than Black Knight? I mean she isn't anything special just appearing in that one game I mean she could represent the magic side but if you say that then you could say that Black Knight could represent the villains side which is far more important than just another character class.



You realize that those are the GBA games? and that Japan don't really like them... and not to mention that out of the other world wide games PoR is the most popular.

Limited view? those villains you just mentioned are not even Japan exclusive bar Nergal because i cant remember weather it was sword of seals of Blazing sword was the Japan exclusive.



Well Micaiah fans use the female argument as much as we use the villain argument... but anyways all the other reasons are good enough

And on a side note Black Knight could use teleport powder and even have a few attacks borrowed from other Generals to make him more unique.

Black Knight didn't star in the first and he certainly didn't star in the second. I don't know where you are, and I assume it's not Japan or America, but if it's Europe or Australia you'll probably get it some time. (And heck, if you demean the game for that, you should remember BK suffers from that too)

Ganondorf being added as a clone isn't something you should support on in the least. He is the second most well known Nintendo villain, and if they have such low priorities as to make him a clone, then that doesn't show that villains are really being considered.

Nergal is probably more well known in the west, but we know he's not getting in. BK is just another villain except he looks cool. His appearance isn't a point to lean on though, as you can see how close he is to Ganondorf. =/

Ike and Marth have importance greater than Sigurd and the other lords, and they are the ones playable already (well maybe not Marth in Brawl yet, but you know his chances)

Villains for the sake of villains is moronic, but if you're going to add a villain, make it someone original. The Black Knight isn't. From his name to his looks to his moves, he is not original in the slightest. Micaiah has originality and status. Heck in her own game, she's more important than the Black Knight's two game appearances combined, so don't wave that around. And Micaiah helps represent the other parts of the series that can't be done by the standard main lord, who is normally of the same type. BK is a lacky to a lacky in the first game, and is promoted to just a lacky in the second. Heck, if the real main villain of FE10 (not the final boss mind you) was in and more well known, this hardly would be a problem. >_>


FE9 has the worst sales overall, so I don't know why you are saying it's the most popular. If anything that'd be FE7.

Beyond the Micaiah is a girl card, there are other benefits. Benefits which the Black Knight lacks. Teleport powder would just give him the cloned ability of others, and him wielding anything buy Alondite just seems wrong. That with the fact that he was trained by the same person as Ike basically screams that they'd have to be clones for the principle of it all. =/

(Oh, and on a side note, BK's FE9 artwork made him look cooler than the FE10 one)

 

[Legolastom]

Black Knight didn't star in the first and he certainly didn't star in the second. I don't know where you are, and I assume it's not Japan or America, but if it's Europe or Australia you'll probably get it some time. (And heck, if you demean the game for that, you should remember BK suffers from that too)

Ganondorf being added as a clone isn't something you should support on in the least. He is the second most well known Nintendo villain, and if they have such low priorities as to make him a clone, then that doesn't show that villains are really being considered.

Nergal is probably more well known in the west, but we know he's not getting in. BK is just another villain except he looks cool. His appearance isn't a point to lean on though, as you can see how close he is to Ganondorf. =/

Ike and Marth have importance greater than Sigurd and the other lords, and they are the ones playable already (well maybe not Marth in Brawl yet, but you know his chances)

Villains for the sake of villains is moronic, but if you're going to add a villain, make it someone original. The Black Knight isn't. From his name to his looks to his moves, he is not original in the slightest. Micaiah has originality and status. Heck in her own game, she's more important than the Black Knight's two game appearances combined, so don't wave that around. And Micaiah helps represent the other parts of the series that can't be done by the standard main lord, who is normally of the same type. BK is a lacky to a lacky in the first game, and is promoted to just a lacky in the second. Heck, if the real main villain of FE10 (not the final boss mind you) was in and more well known, this hardly would be a problem. >_>


FE9 has the worst sales overall, so I don't know why you are saying it's the most popular. If anything that'd be FE7.

Beyond the Micaiah is a girl card, there are other benefits. Benefits which the Black Knight lacks. Teleport powder would just give him the cloned ability of others, and him wielding anything buy Alondite just seems wrong. That with the fact that he was trained by the same person as Ike basically screams that they'd have to be clones for the principle of it all. =/

(Oh, and on a side note, BK's FE9 artwork made him look cooler than the FE10 one)

Im talking about FE9 and 10... don't know where you got me talking about the first and second one from.

Meh considering they made several heroes a clone i dont know how that argument stands.

JESUS ****ING CHRIST!!! HE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE GANONDORF THEY HAVE THE SAME POSE IN ONE PICTURE WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!!??

Ok yep they have more importance... isnt that what i was saying? or were you just basically replying to the quote.

Heroes for the sake of heroes is just moronic. And i already said how he could be original... add some more general type moves and possibly expand on him being a

Spoiler

branded

. I wouldn't say she is more important than him but importance can run a fine line with these series.

Really? worst sales? i will have to look that up...

1. His teleport powder could act very differently from other teleports... and your not calling Fox and Falcon a clone because they both have fire in their UPB are you?
2. He wouldt weild the lance but maybe jab it side ways or throw it as his side B... or even get out one of those Axe-chains.
3. Taught by same man... but... the difference is that Ike got taught by the version of Grail that couldn't even use a sword and had a very different fighting style.

 

[Pieman0920]

Im talking about FE9 and 10... don't know where you got me talking about the first and second one from.

Meh considering they made several heroes a clone i dont know how that argument stands.

JESUS ****ING CHRIST!!! HE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE GANONDORF THEY HAVE THE SAME POSE IN ONE PICTURE WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!!??

Ok yep they have more importance... isnt that what i was saying? or were you just basically replying to the quote.

Heroes for the sake of heroes is just moronic. And i already said how he could be original... add some more general type moves and possibly expand on him being a

Spoiler

branded

. I wouldn't say she is more important than him but importance can run a fine line with these series.

Really? worst sales? i will have to look that up...

1. His teleport powder could act very differently from other teleports... and your not calling Fox and Falcon a clone because they both have fire in their UPB are you?
2. He wouldt weild the lance but maybe jab it side ways or throw it as his side B... or even get out one of those Axe-chains.
3. Taught by same man... but... the difference is that Ike got taught by the version of Grail that couldn't even use a sword and had a very different fighting style.

I mean FE9 as the first and FE10 as the second, yet you demean FE10 but still use it as your point.

Most of the clones were not main characters. Pichu, and Falco were secondary but similar to the main, Young Link and Dr. Mario were just alternate versions of main characters, we’ve been over Ganny, and Roy is the only main, though his game wasn’t out at that point. It’s generally reserved for secondary guys that they can just add in there if they can. =/

They clearly have similarities though. If that was Link and Ganondorf in the same pose there would be no problem, because they’d clearly be different. BK though does look like that version of Ganondorf, and anyone with eyes can see that.

Just correcting you about Sigurd really. Marth has the most importance as of now, followed by Ike, and then it goes down to the standard lords. =/

Heroes by their nature are normally the main characters, and thus that’s why they get in, and main characters being in there for the sake of them being the main is understandable. Generals only have about one type of sword animation, which is kinda generic, so I don’t know where you’re going with that.

Spoiler

And BK being a branded doesn’t effect anything really.

FE sales peaked at FE3, and then it went progressively down for every game until FE10 which has sold better in Japan than FE9. (Though I have seen the proof of these claims myself, something doesn’t seem quite right with the numbers, so if you do find something that suggests otherwise, please do share)

1. How would a teleport be different? The fire isn’t even the same thing, since the teleport is a action, and not a effect. =/
2. Ike could use a axe but you know he wont. Instead, he’ll only use his signature weapon, because that’s how he’s supposed to be represented. The Black Knight’s Alondite is his signature weapon, and anything else would just not right.
3. Stilt taught them both to use a sword, so I barely makes a difference if Greil himself had different weapons. If it did, Ike would have an axe as his standard weapon. >_>

 

[raphtmarqui]

Cool new official art of Black Knight

 

[Legolastom]

I mean FE9 as the first and FE10 as the second, yet you demean FE10 but still use it as your point.

Most of the clones were not main characters. Pichu, and Falco were secondary but similar to the main, Young Link and Dr. Mario were just alternate versions of main characters, we’ve been over Ganny, and Roy is the only main, though his game wasn’t out at that point. It’s generally reserved for secondary guys that they can just add in there if they can. =/

They clearly have similarities though. If that was Link and Ganondorf in the same pose there would be no problem, because they’d clearly be different. BK though does look like that version of Ganondorf, and anyone with eyes can see that.

Just correcting you about Sigurd really. Marth has the most importance as of now, followed by Ike, and then it goes down to the standard lords. =/

Heroes by their nature are normally the main characters, and thus that’s why they get in, and main characters being in there for the sake of them being the main is understandable. Generals only have about one type of sword animation, which is kinda generic, so I don’t know where you’re going with that.

Spoiler

And BK being a branded doesn’t effect anything really.

FE sales peaked at FE3, and then it went progressively down for every game until FE10 which has sold better in Japan than FE9. (Though I have seen the proof of these claims myself, something doesn’t seem quite right with the numbers, so if you do find something that suggests otherwise, please do share)

1. How would a teleport be different? The fire isn’t even the same thing, since the teleport is a action, and not a effect. =/
2. Ike could use a axe but you know he wont. Instead, he’ll only use his signature weapon, because that’s how he’s supposed to be represented. The Black Knight’s Alondite is his signature weapon, and anything else would just not right.
3. Stilt taught them both to use a sword, so I barely makes a difference if Greil himself had different weapons. If it did, Ike would have an axe as his standard weapon. >_>

What!? your starting to confuse me now... did you even read what you said before? and no i never demeaned FE10...

They wear Armour... thats all i can spot and not to mention their Armour is totally different I mean anyone with eyes can see that.

O yhea of course Ike and Marth has importance over Sigurd but Sigurd has importance over the rest.

I never mentioned main characters... I mentioned Heroes for example in Golden sun you could say there are 4 heroes while Isaac is the main character.... you see he would of course get in because he is the main character while the others are important but if the villain is more important or more liked would they still get in just because they are heroes?

And by Generals i wasn't talking about their sword animation i was talking about their other weapons and possibly stats... and Branded doesn't really but still he could turn into a Wyvern as a FS XD.

Hmmm... thats interesting... better look this up then.

1. The teleport powder could always effect anyone who is directly under him... he could also appear in his location in a puff of black smoke that hurts people the possibilities are endless...
2. But Ike would have no need to wield an Axe it isn't like he is put there to represent an entire history of lords who all used to use Axe's but like i said BK could be used to represent the generals who has ll those other stuff...
3. Yes but after killing your wife wouldn't you have a massive change in your life? Greils sword play was likely very aggressive and counter orientated while he was one of the four but after that he would have a massive change... not to mention he couldn't teach him some things that could only be done with a sword.

 

[Kirby knight]

1. The teleport powder could always effect anyone who is directly under him... he could also appear in his location in a puff of black smoke that hurts people the possibilities are endless...

Well I'd imagine that the teleport powder wouldn't have any direct effect (like hurting someone). However, if the Black Knight used the teleport power over and over again I would imagine having it's ranged reduced because of the immense strain it puts on the users body. The Black Knight himself said it drains his strength.

2. But Ike would have no need to wield an Axe it isn't like he is put there to represent an entire history of lords who all used to use Axe's but like i said BK could be used to represent the generals who has ll those other stuff...

I guess they could force a lance onto him, but really his sword is all he needs; it's ranged after all.

3. Yes but after killing your wife wouldn't you have a massive change in your life? Greils sword play was likely very aggressive and counter orientated while he was one of the four but after that he would have a massive change... not to mention he couldn't teach him some things that could only be done with a sword.

That's very speculative. I'm sure Greil pretty much trained Ike the way he trained the Black Knight. Even after he purposely cut tendens in his arm he still was dueling with Ike using pratice swords. I mean honestly Ike and the Black Knight should have almost the same fighting style, but due to the Black Knights armor of course it's going to be different because he has to compensate for the armor's weight and the restrictions to his moblity.

-Knight

 

[Shuma]

"force" a lance into him? Adding a lance would make him more unique, it's not a bad thing.

 

[Pieman0920]

What!? your starting to confuse me now... did you even read what you said before? and no i never demeaned FE10...

They wear Armour... thats all i can spot and not to mention their Armour is totally different I mean anyone with eyes can see that.

O yhea of course Ike and Marth has importance over Sigurd but Sigurd has importance over the rest.

I never mentioned main characters... I mentioned Heroes for example in Golden sun you could say there are 4 heroes while Isaac is the main character.... you see he would of course get in because he is the main character while the others are important but if the villain is more important or more liked would they still get in just because they are heroes?

And by Generals i wasn't talking about their sword animation i was talking about their other weapons and possibly stats... and Branded doesn't really but still he could turn into a Wyvern as a FS XD.

Hmmm... thats interesting... better look this up then.

1. The teleport powder could always effect anyone who is directly under him... he could also appear in his location in a puff of black smoke that hurts people the possibilities are endless...
2. But Ike would have no need to wield an Axe it isn't like he is put there to represent an entire history of lords who all used to use Axe's but like i said BK could be used to represent the generals who has ll those other stuff...
3. Yes but after killing your wife wouldn't you have a massive change in your life? Greils sword play was likely very aggressive and counter orientated while he was one of the four but after that he would have a massive change... not to mention he couldn't teach him some things that could only be done with a sword.

You were, or at least Micaiah because she was in it. Thus, any comments along those lines also fall on the BK. =/

They wear black European armor, with giant swords and long red capes. The armor is different granted, but it’s still armor. The only real difference is their heads.

No, Sigurd doesn’t. He’s got half a game. He’s got popularity but importance he is lacking. =/

Bad wording here. Anyways, it depends on each’s importance, and the status of the villains. I really don’t think any villains stand out in Golden Sun, and a conflict between Isaac and Felix works out well enough really. Thus, I believe most of the heroes would indeed make it in due to their higher importance in that particular series…but they’d never have that many representatives no matter what. (Maybe if there is a GS 3 where Alex actually does something for a change. He’d get in incase something like that happened.)

But the Black Knight is the Black Knight. Using other weapons outside of Alondite doesn’t suit him.

1. I don’t know what your first idea here is about, and the second is Sheik’s teleport. The possibilities are not endless for this though, as there’s not much to do with it in the manor BK employs it.
2. Wait are you seriously thinking that BK would use a axe as his standard weapon? I mean Ike’s as just a random B attack, and I thought that’s what you meant for BK as well. If you’re actually thinking that BK will use a axe as his standard weapon, then that’s just ignorant on your part. (Or maybe I’m reading your post wrong, and you didn’t know that FE10 Ike can use axes…wait does BK even use other weapons besides Alondite in battle?)
3. It’s very unlikely that he wouldn’t train him in the same way. It’s not like there was some super secret skill that Greil taught BK and not Ike. Also it’s not like he would withhold things, as he wants his son to be safe.

 

[Kirby knight]

"force" a lance into him? Adding a lance would make him more unique, it's not a bad thing.

The Black Knight would only use the Alondite, any other weapon choice would be a disrepect to the character that is the Black Knight. What reason could there be, to give the Black Knight an weaker weapon when the Alondite suits him perfectly?

I mean Sakurai could give Luigi a axe to make him more unique, but all in all it would just be dumb.

Oh well he's most likely not going to make it in, unless he's a boss in the sub-space mode.

-Knight

 

[Shuma]

They wear black European armor, with giant swords and long red capes. The armor is different granted, but it’s still armor. The only real difference is their heads.

OK.... this is a very very Lame argument.

Peach and Zelda both use pink clothing, we must take one out, Mario and Luigi use the same clothing, Luigi Deconfirmed, Kirby and Jiggs are pink puff balls, Jiggs deconfirmed, Fox and Falco/Wolf use the same kind of clothing Falco/Wolf deconfirmed. *sigh*

I really don’t think any villains stand out in Golden Sun

Saturo and Menardi.

The Black Knight would only use the Alondite, any other weapon choice would be a disrepect to the character that is the Black Knight. What reason could there be, to give the Black Knight an weaker weapon when the Alondite suits him perfectly?

I mean as part of the moveset, not his actual main weapon, something like, his Foward Smash would use his lance to strike the enemy in front of him, or how his B move would throw a javeline etc etc.

 

[Legolastom]

You were, or at least Micaiah because she was in it. Thus, any comments along those lines also fall on the BK. =/

They wear black European armor, with giant swords and long red capes. The armor is different granted, but it’s still armor. The only real difference is their heads.

No, Sigurd doesn’t. He’s got half a game. He’s got popularity but importance he is lacking. =/

Bad wording here. Anyways, it depends on each’s importance, and the status of the villains. I really don’t think any villains stand out in Golden Sun, and a conflict between Isaac and Felix works out well enough really. Thus, I believe most of the heroes would indeed make it in due to their higher importance in that particular series…but they’d never have that many representatives no matter what. (Maybe if there is a GS 3 where Alex actually does something for a change. He’d get in incase something like that happened.)

But the Black Knight is the Black Knight. Using other weapons outside of Alondite doesn’t suit him.

1. I don’t know what your first idea here is about, and the second is Sheik’s teleport. The possibilities are not endless for this though, as there’s not much to do with it in the manor BK employs it.
2. Wait are you seriously thinking that BK would use a axe as his standard weapon? I mean Ike’s as just a random B attack, and I thought that’s what you meant for BK as well. If you’re actually thinking that BK will use a axe as his standard weapon, then that’s just ignorant on your part. (Or maybe I’m reading your post wrong, and you didn’t know that FE10 Ike can use axes…wait does BK even use other weapons besides Alondite in battle?)
3. It’s very unlikely that he wouldn’t train him in the same way. It’s not like there was some super secret skill that Greil taught BK and not Ike. Also it’s not like he would withhold things, as he wants his son to be safe.

No no... i never demeaned the game just her... would you hate Twilight princess because you don't like adult Link? no you would hate it for ALL the other reasons.

Ok your seriously getting on my ****ing nerves now... for 1 Black Knight has big bulking black plate Armour with over the top shoulder pads... and Ganondorf has light leathery Armour which looks somewhat roman. Seriously its like saying Link and Marth look the same because they use material.

I was just using that as an example to your previous statement... I could have used better admittedly i just had Golden sun 3 on my mind.

Not as his main weapon silly...

1. There are lots... he could do loads of different things to make it different Kirby Knight just posted one about his strength.
2. Yep read my post wrong... well i guess i should have said in the first place that it should just be one of his B moves not his main weapon. (Like Snake his mine isn't his main weapon is it?)
3. Yes but he is a very different man between games... I mean look at Greil before and after he left Daein... not to mention the fact he cant really use a sword anyway.

 

[Okysho]

personally, I think the black knight, since he's got a similar sword to that of Ike and the same teacher, would probably also have a similar moveset. Then again taking a second look at Ike's speed, the blick knight just might end up being a slower version of Ike like Ganon was to Falcon in Melee

 

[Shuma]

That would be fair enough, i just whant to see him in the game as a PC.

 

[NukeA6]

personally, I think the black knight, since he's got a similar sword to that of Ike and the same teacher, would probably also have a similar moveset. Then again taking a second look at Ike's speed, the blick knight just might end up being a slower version of Ike like Ganon was to Falcon in Melee

Which is why I prefer Micaiah over him.

 

[Shuma]

It's nice to know.

/sarcasm

 

[Okysho]

Which is why I prefer Micaiah over him.

I agree! Black knight would pretty much be a slower clone of Ike... Now if you REALLY wanna talk clones... Scrap the Marth/Ike clone issue and bring up Black Knight/Ike clone...

 

[Masterem243]

I think either the Black Knight or the King of Daein should be a boss for the Subspace Emmisary.

 

[Shuma]

To me, it would be fine if the Black Knight was an Ike costume or a clone, i just whant to be able to play him, come on... he looks tottaly badass. He is Ownage incarnated, in fact, it would surprise me if Ridley was in there, in fact, maybe Ridley, Cap'n Falcon, Snake, Chuck Norris and King Leonidas are in there. OMGOMGOMGOMG.

Edit:

Ashnard IS boss material, not the Black knight.

 

[Masterem243]

Chuck Norris? lol right

 

[Kirby knight]

To me, it would be fine if the Black Knight was an Ike costume or a clone, i just whant to be able to play him, come on... he looks tottaly badass. He is Ownage incarnated, in fact, it would surprise me if Ridley was in there, in fact, maybe Ridley, Cap'n Falcon, Snake, Chuck Norris and King Leonidas are in there. OMGOMGOMGOMG.

Edit:

Ashnard IS boss material, not the Black knight.

It is to bad character inclusions are not based on such superfical aspects, otherwise the Black Knight's looks and Boss theme would get him in as a playable character alone.

I'm sorry that he is not more important, if he was he may of had my support.

-Knight

 

[Okysho]

To me, it would be fine if the Black Knight was an Ike costume or a clone, i just whant to be able to play him, come on... he looks tottaly badass. He is Ownage incarnated, in fact, it would surprise me if Ridley was in there, in fact, maybe Ridley, Cap'n Falcon, Snake, Chuck Norris and King Leonidas are in there. OMGOMGOMGOMG.

Edit:

Ashnard IS boss material, not the Black knight.

I'll agree with that, he is totally badass... and this is purely rumor informaiton here, but I'm pretty sure Sakurai said in a previous blog post before the dojo is what it is now, that he didn't want anymore clones... but like I said that's just a rumor...

 

[Shuma]

No it's not a Rumor, he did say that, that he didn't whant to rush this game, and that he didn't whant to add more Clones.

@Kirby knight:

Yeah, but he's awesome, you can't deny awesomeness. I would lol if he's confirmed and Sakurai would say.

"He's awesome, and creepy, 'nuff sayd."

 

[Pieman0920]

People! Ashnard isn't boss material. He has displayed nothing that sets him apart. Dragons do though. They are the most previlant FE villains, and much more suited as bosses. >8U

(I fear no one will notice how obvious this is until it's to late. >_>)

No no... i never demeaned the game just her... would you hate Twilight princess because you don't like adult Link? no you would hate it for ALL the other reasons.

Ok your seriously getting on my ****ing nerves now... for 1 Black Knight has big bulking black plate Armour with over the top shoulder pads... and Ganondorf has light leathery Armour which looks somewhat roman. Seriously its like saying Link and Marth look the same because they use material.

I was just using that as an example to your previous statement... I could have used better admittedly i just had Golden sun 3 on my mind.

Not as his main weapon silly...

1. There are lots... he could do loads of different things to make it different Kirby Knight just posted one about his strength.
2. Yep read my post wrong... well i guess i should have said in the first place that it should just be one of his B moves not his main weapon. (Like Snake his mine isn't his main weapon is it?)
3. Yes but he is a very different man between games... I mean look at Greil before and after he left Daein... not to mention the fact he cant really use a sword anyway.

The point is you were demeaning her with points about FE10's state of not being released which you applied to her and now to BK. >_>

Well Marth and Link are different because they aren't both wearing armor that's in the same color. Of course those bulky plates are different, but not by much. It's like Luigi and Mario if they were the same color. You know there's a difference in height, but it wouldn’t justify it at all. =/

Black Knight doesn’t have any other weapon though at all.

1. Eh? You advocate that his teleport become worse and worse the more you use it? That not only hurts BK as a character, but the action that it would perform is still something others have.
2. But the BK doesn’t use any other weapons besides Alondite. It’s all he needs, and the thing that suits him. He’s never shown the ability to use a spear and he shouldn’t because it doesn’t fit.
3. He may not use a sword himself but he still trained both Ike and BK with one, and probably in the same way. There’s nothing to suggest that he wouldn’t give them the same style.

 

[Okysho]

People! Ashnard isn't boss material. He has displayed nothing that sets him apart. Dragons though do. They are the most previlant FE villain, and much more suited as bosses. >8U

(I fear no one will notice how obvious this is until it's to late. >_>)



The point is you were demeaning her with points about FE10's state of not being released which you applied to her and now to BK. >_>

Well Marth and Link are different because they aren't both wearing armor that's in the same color. Of course those bulky plates are different, but not by much. It's like Luigi and Mario if they were the same color. You know there's a difference in height, but it wouldn’t justify it at all. =/

Black Knight doesn’t have any other weapon though at all.

1. Eh? You advocate that his teleport become worse and worse the more you use it? That not only hurts BK as a character, but the action that it would perform is still something others have.
2. But the BK doesn’t use any other weapons besides Alondite. It’s all he needs, and the thing that suits him. He’s never shown the ability to use a spear and he shouldn’t because it doesn’t fit.
3. He may not use a sword himself but he still trained both Ike and BK with one, and probably in the same way. There’s nothing to suggest that he wouldn’t give them the same style.

I completely agree with everything you say, except for one thing!

Look at BK's class. It's a General, also, look at his weapon levels you'll find that Lance is A.


not that it really matters... just merely stating a fact

 

[Shuma]

The Black Knight does use Spears, there's a video in you tube and i'll find it.

Your Armor argument is incredibly stupid, stop it.

 

[Legolastom]

Well Marth and Link are different because they aren't both wearing armor that's in the same color. Of course those bulky plates are different, but not by much. It's like Luigi and Mario if they were the same color. You know there's a difference in height, but it wouldn’t justify it at all. =/

Are you ****ing mentally ******** or something!? Seriously they are not even the same colour FFS why not try actually looking at it you stupid piece of ****.

 

[Pieman0920]

You're getting a bit mad over this Lego. You should probably make a post which is more content rather than insult.

In any case, they are the basic same color. I have eyes enough to see that. Seriously, the only person so far who can't see the similarity has been you. It's not just the pose, it's everything. I know there are differences, like BK having bulkier armor, but overall they really are to close. =/

 

[Legolastom]

Same colour!? o_O Why dont you take a look at these two characters and please tell me they look the same again.

 

[Okysho]

Same colour!? o_O Why dont you take a look at these two characters and please tell me they look the same again.

well they've both got big swords which they use with one hand, both have big black armour, both have long black capes and are both considered heavy characters... now why don't you tell me who's more similer?

 

[Pieman0920]

Huh? What's with the granulated color that Ganny is there? His cape isn't read anymore...athough BK's isn't either due to that being him in the timeskip. But yes, that's the same color. (Heck, it even shows through despite the fact that one's a hand drawn picture and the other is from in game)

 

[Legolastom]

1. Ganondorfs sword isn't really that big or heavy... a sage (Wimps) was able to wield it.
2. Ganondorf has light leathery Armour... not all of it is leather but it is certainly not big and barely even plated. And its more of that orangeish colour than black.
3. Wow a cape!? No one has had that before! (Not to mention that BK is red on the inside).

And also even the parts that are Black look very different.

 

[Wiseguy]

well they've both got big swords which they use with one hand, both have big black armour, both have long black capes and are both considered heavy characters... now why don't you tell me who's more similer?

It's possible that that the two would be more different than you think. For example, they might choose to emphasize Ganondorf's magic attacks and potent physcial attacks (like punches and kicks) in addition to his sword attacks. And Melee aside, there is nothing to suggest that Ganondorf is a particularily heavy or slow character.

However, I do think Black Knight's chances are largely dependant on how they design Ganondorf. Until we see his update, I think we should reserve judgement.

 

[Pieman0920]

1. Ganondorfs sword isn't really that big or heavy... a sage (Wimps) was able to wield it.
2. Ganondorf has light leathery Armour... not all of it is leather but it is certainly not big and barely even plated. And its more of that orangeish colour than black.
3. Wow a cape!? No one has had that before! (Not to mention that BK is red on the inside).

And also even the parts that are Black look very different.

1. It's not really a matter of who could lift it (heck, those guys were made of magic) but those are still both giant swords at around the same size.
2. Orange? Your grainulated picture makes it look more black than the original, which isn't orangeish at all. And as I say, the fact that BK's is bulky dosen't really amount to much in comparison to everything else. And from a distance where it will be viewed in fighting, it's even more difficult to tell.
3. Ganondorf's cape is red though. Your picture of his is altred. Look around for the clear version to see it. =/

And Wiseguy, it's not about Ganondof and BK having the same moves. We all know Ganondorf can set himself apart. It's just that the look everyone wants for him looks just that close to BK. Ike though is the one who's moves would be to close to BK.

 

[Okysho]

1. It's not really a matter of who could lift it (heck, those guys were made of magic) but those are still both giant swords at around the same size.
2. Orange? Your grainulated picture makes it look more black than the original, which isn't orangeish at all. And as I say, the fact that BK's is bulky dosen't really amount to much in comparison to everything else. And from a distance where it will be viewed in fighting, it's even more difficult to tell.
3. Ganondorf's cape is red though. Your picture of his is altred. Look around for the clear version to see it. =/

And Wiseguy, it's not about Ganondof and BK having the same moves. We all know Ganondorf can set himself apart. It's just that the look everyone wants for him looks just that close to BK. Ike though is the one who's moves would be to close to BK.

I agree! You know your stuff!