Bioware Mafia (ovah)

[EdreesesPieces]

Once again, I absorbed the shot that was given to me N3. It hit my body. I just healed from it It was NOT re directed. This means OS died for another reason, not from the shot I took. if the tracking was re directed N2, it wasn't a result of me, it was a result of something someone else did.

 

[mentosman8]

Votecount coming a little bit later, but I figured I would toss this out now since it was a suggested question at me and answering it doesn't affect the game in any way. There have been absolutely no mistakes made with any night actions. Every PM I have sent out to every player who has gotten one has been 100% typo free

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Okay thanks, appreciate that clarification.

This means someone else may have the ability to redirect night actions. It's either that or either Gheb or Soviet's lying. I firmly trust Gheb because of his play through the game and because of the OS breadcrumbs.

 

[Swiss]

Then lynch SC, surely.

I'd vote if I weren't friggin VOTEBLOCKED. Gawd.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

I'm not forced to vote block somebody jfyi.

He means if mad scummy doesn't flip scum you're scum, if you're a scum voteblocker in lylo it's GG.




So, here's my breadcrumb:

@OS: I would think that you’d realize I wouldn’t fall for it cause I have a tendency to read you too well. Perhaps spending a night out for once would do your reading skills good [/joking jab]

Concerned that it was a bit too obvious at the time (especially since lord knows I just about never make jokes in-game), but nobody picked up on it.


If you suggest that I faked a tracker breadcrumb for a PR fakeclaim, why track power? And why continue this path after he had claimed PR, since unless I had some other way of knowing, it would be extremely easy for me to get screwed, tracker is a very dangerous power to claim unless you already know.



So, given the pureness of the breadcrumbs, I'm left with one thing being the most likely option, that some unusual PR interfered, in other words we're dealing with a secret poisoner death miller.


Lemme ask you this, why was my play so pointlessly atagonistic at points? Why hammer at tandora's sanity so much, even though I had said she is most likely sane? Cause I was keeping a running count of my level of suspicion and being a PR, I couldn't afford to get NK'd. Though frankly I didn't expect so many town PRs. Frankly, check my play in Chrono Trigger mafia, where I also did something similar to protect myself as what was essentially a powerful town PR.


I'm Commander Shepard by the way, the justifacation for my role is due to my character's insane versitility.


Last night I roleblocked Mad Scummy, the fact that a kill still occured means that it was impossible for him to be a killer.


I chose to avoid using my abilities n1 due to the fact that they're one time use and I only have one left, i thought that the odds of me catching scum or town that would survive till endgame n1 were unlikely at best.




@Edrees: Might I remind you of oddworld mafia? Another game that featured odd mechanics, where town won solely because you guys realized the PR results were wrong because they could not possibly match up with the play of the individuals involved?




I talked to mentos via IM about the targeting pretty much immiediately, I don't believe he comitted a typo, but the possibility that the results are incorrect for some reason is a strong possibility, especially considering that the roleblock didn't get redirected.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

EBWOP: By wrong, I mean "changed by a relevant power role", not suggesting a mod error.

 

[mentosman8]

So many votes!

Vote count

[1]Soviet Coffee(AdumbroDeus/Shaya hydra): Tandora
[1]Gheb_01: Nix2100
[1]Mad Scummy (Swiss/X1-12 hydra): Gheb_01
[0]Edreesespieces:
[0]Tandora:
[0]Evil Eye:
[0]Nix2100:


[4]Not Voting: SovietCoffee, Mad Scummy, Evil Eye, Edreesespieces


A deadline is set for October 7, 2010 at 11:59PM CST.

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

October 12
Soviet Coffee
Mad Scummy
Edreesespieces
Tandora
Gheb_01
Nix
Evil Eye

October 11


October 10


Inactive

 

[Evil Eye]

Whoa lots of posts. Gonna be commenting on things as I see them.

First and foremost: We either have a bus driver/redirector, or between Ed and Soviet Coffee, we have a liar. I'll say more on this at another point.

1.) I am the town vote blocker

I called it. It was pretty transparent to me. Which has me wondering why scum didn't kill you.

I believe your claim and your voteblocks line up. Doesn't do much for me allignmentwise, though.

2.) I was in mason with Overswarm until he died

He recruited me during N2 and left PLENTY of breadcrumbs for it. He also told me that he wanted to recruit Praxis on N1 but it failed because Praxis was killed.

I'll have to reread to confirm this, but I believe you. As he said, his breadcrumbs were very deliberate, and he was quite loud about wanting to be friends (and if not, you'd have to die on D3). You were my pick for his recruit attempt N2.

I especially like your rationale behind the two investigations you picked for OS and Tando on D3, it lines right up.

Honestly, I'm never one to jump to conclusions, but everything you've said lines up so perfectly with how I've been reading the game that you are bottom of the barrel when it comes to plays, for me. The lack of breadcrumbing whom he's going to recruit suddenly makes perfect sense -- OS had a mason that was going to live on for him and be able to verify and explain his "investigation result". There was no need to jeopardize the sexy possibility of a double-investigation for that very reason; leaving it to Gheb to tell us if OS hit scum is exactly what he'd do, since the information of whom he'd investigate was so sensitive.

Add in the fact that Mad Scummy has been looking like **** during my N3 rereads and I'm ready to take your hand, Gheb. Whattayasay?

*offers manly broshake*


Mostly unrelated:

Regarding Overswarms role: It's not a traditional mason recruiter - he could only recruit 2 people into his masonry during the whole game [his attempt to recruit Praxis didn't count because he was killed]. However, his death doesn't mean the death of the whole mason - only of himself. In our QT Overswarm told me that he thinks that the reason for this modification is related to the flavor but I can't vouch for it because I know nothing of Bioware. If you read through Boondock Saints mafia you'll realize that mentos seems to like modifying roles a little. In that game he added a survivor that had the option of becoming mafia later in the game. Thus I'm more inclined to think that mentos modified the mason recruiter for balance's sake just as he did in his older game.

1. I believe you. OS's attempt to kill Praxis was utterly blatant, and I remember considering that he might be a mason recruiter when I read that. And facepalming when Gordito and Ed kept trying to get him lynched after he softclaimed but that's another story >_>

2. This makes sense balancewise, because mafia having a oneshot recruit (as they surely did) would be utter BS against an infinite-recruiting Mason Leader on the town side.

3. I only played Mass Effect 1, so I have no idea whom OS's character is. Could someone tell me a bit about him and verify some of this character speculation?

I want to hear the full story from both EP and SC - the details and stuff because with these conflicting claims there is more to this than what they gave us. I don't like that.

+1

I wish you were this active in UCM's endgame Gheb we'd have run that ****.

1) He breadcrumbed he wanted to initiate me D1 (go re-read). He didn't btw. Just doesn't mean he did recruit you.

Link to this post. I'm not wasting the time to reread D1 for the thirtieth ****ing time for a weak OMGUS. Actually Gheb put it better. And by put it better I mean destroyed you.

Still wanna see that link though.

Well in this case, if Tandora is 100% clear, the remaining scum is presumably Nix.

Mad Scummy did not night kill anyone last night.

FoS

Who's the other scum? Me?

So quick to jump to conclusions? Mr Indie? Amirite?

Even bigger FoS

Going to post on the hydra...
Let's just say ^ that one was knee jerk.


While I recognise what seems like obvious breadcrumbing, something is seriously off here
Overswarm did not have any night actions night 2, according to Mod PM.
However, that tracking was meant to be for Edrees, which still hasn't been explained why it was redirected to Overswarm.

I want to believe, I really do. But this in itself will honestly make it hard for us to consider Gheb's claim.

So, Tando claims cop, and we have Soviet Coffee running around in circles trying to figure out a way to clear as few people as possible.

OS flips mason recruiter, Gheb is a blatantly obvious recruit pick, and... second verse, same as the first.

Lookin' like cornered scum right here.

While on one hand, gheb's claim doesn't match up with my results, those breadcrumbs seem mad pure and mentos seems to love secret poisoner death millers, so from the mechanics end I'm not sure if it could happen.

Damage control, am I right?

Believe it or not I'm not going to tunnel on you though but you guys look like *** right now and it's mostly Shaya that you have to blame. And since you seem like the stronger player that's certainly interesting to me.

If Mad Scummy flips scum, then Nix should die.
> The only possible scum left would be an unknown recruit, a Gheb busser (highly unlikely) or Nix (not backed up by any investigations/claims)

If MS doesn't flip scum...
Then Gheb goes into day 5, with 5 remaining, with someone vote blocked. As pointed out, most likely there is 2 scum remaining. If he isn't role blocked and/or killed (vigilante) it's gg.

This plan is ****ing terrible and does nothing to address the serious contradictions between you and EdPieces. Meanwhile you're saying Nix should die, who may not be cleared by an investigation, but had a serious 11th hour push on him by TWO MAFIATS WHO WERE BOTH VIABLE ****ING LYNCHES.

FoS


I want a full claim from Soviet Coffee, Mad Scummy, and EdPieces, in that order. Gheb might as well offer up his character and game -- after them, though. Unlikely to trip anybody up in that, but certainly not impossible. Nix can jump in there anywhere he wants as long as it's after Mad Scummy.

After everybody claims I really think I can break this game open for a definite town win. And I don't say that kind of **** lightly. I really think I can address all or most of the loose ends.


*Insert Soviet Coffee claim here*

Interesting. Funny thing; when mentosman told me he was designing a Bioware game like a year ago or something, I told him Shepard totally needs to be in it as a Jack of all Trades. I'm not sure what that means to me. I feel like I just got into WIFOM with God.

Last night I roleblocked Mad Scummy, the fact that a kill still occured means that it was impossible for him to be a killer.

Not necessarily. Town roleblockers don't always prevent a kill, in my experience. Especially since we also have a doctor, that's starting to lean overly pro-town.

What are all of your abilities?


Phew, finally caught up.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

EE i'm already full claimed, maybe you missed my posts. yesterDay I mentioned that I am urdnot wrex from mass effect, and i am a vanilla townie with one passive ability and that is krogan regeneration (bulletproof).

 

[Evil Eye]

Ah, I missed you claiming your role name. Normally the "I'm a VT but I can ______" would bother me, since... why not just a Town Bulletproof, right? But Mentos likes flavor, so I'm not overly bothered by that. I can see that.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

First and foremost: We either have a bus driver/redirector, or between Ed and Soviet Coffee, we have a liar. I'll say more on this at another point.

Hold it.
This is night 2 we're talking about. There is no guaranteed liar between us two at all. Junglefever could have had the power, so could another mafia member.

So, Tando claims cop, and we have Soviet Coffee running around in circles trying to figure out a way to clear as few people as possible.

You'll have to explain this line of logic to me, "clear as few people as possible".

Lookin' like cornered scum right here.

Damage control, am I right?

Meh, I must be terrible at this game that I seem like uber scum when I'm just stating facts. I may have worded things badly BUT I'm confused about your conclusions.

My first post in that duo was after Gheb's claim, as has been stated by both of us, it seems completely plausible (hence knee jerk, "wow this game is cracked", type of response). However, remembering our investigation, checking what it said, I had to reiterate, not everything is solved at this point.

This plan is ****ing terrible and does nothing to address the serious contradictions between you and EdPieces. Meanwhile you're saying Nix should die, who may not be cleared by an investigation, but had a serious 11th hour push on him by TWO MAFIATS WHO WERE BOTH VIABLE ****ING LYNCHES.

As already stated, the bigger contradiction is our tracking stating (more literally now) that OS did not leave his home night 2. Two mafia going after a weaker/easy to lynch member is unheard of?

Not necessarily. Town roleblockers don't always prevent a kill, in my experience. Especially since we also have a doctor, that's starting to lean overly pro-town.

1 shot role blocker. If what you state is true, and somehow what we were told about OS night 2 was wrong as well, I'm calling bs on our power role.

What are all of your abilities?

We only have one left. I'll let adum reveal.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

Currently I think that whatever the power that effected me, all it did was change who i was told that my power targeted, as opposed to who i actually targeted.



Actually, **** it, this is unnecessary.


I have a plan that pretty much guarentees town victory (the only possible reason why it wouldn't is if Tandora is scum, and I don't think she is).


We have 7 players left, 4 unconfirmed, but if mad scummy flips scum we can consider gheb confirmed town.


So what I suggest is that we kill mad scummy toDay.

Assuming he flips scum (which I think is most likely) gheb is confirmed so tandora scans either myself or nix vig kills whoever tandora doesn't scan, town as a whole pick which happens to which.


All 4 unconfirms accounted for, and if mad scummy flips scum, the roleblocking means that we're not dealing with another indy killer (one way or another you guys will know I'm telling the truth about my night actions).


I'd prefer to not be vigged and instead get scanned because my last power is insurance against the possibility of a scum tandora, and for the same reason I don't wanna claim it yet, but if you guys don't trust me enough and wanna vig me instead, it's fine, I trust tandora enough to let that happen.


If we have a SK it has to be one of the unconfirmed players (myself, mad scummy, gheb, or nix), if it's mad scummy he'll die today, if it's nix or myself the scan will show or we'll be unable to target the person that town tells us to target so they should be auto-lynched. If it's gheb (ridiculously unlikely) then we'll know from mad scummy's town flip.



I think that covers about everything, any objections to putting this plan into action?

 

[Swiss]

Indies don't show as mafia from 'scans', SC.

D:

 

[~ Gheb ~]

SC, I still don't get one thing: You say you're a JoaT. You've tracked EP on N2 [redirected to OS] but you also confirm that Mad Scummy didn't kill anybody last night? What power did you use to know that? You couldn't have tracked him because JoaT abilities only work once so how else could you find out?

EE, I'm down with running the show together. I already said yesterDay that the ideal case would be to have you and myself cleared so we can win this. Regarding EP, I don't like his claim either - not only the way he worded it but also the fact that being bulletproof is not typically a townie attribute but more of an indy. Sometimes mods give indies like *cough* SKs bulletproof status, especially in a game with quite a bunch of power hitters [claimed JoaT, confirmed Vote Blocker, Godfather, Recruiter, Mason Recruiter, Cop and at least one other power we don't know yet - either Redirector or Bus Driver].

Unless Nix claims Vig, EP is my top pick for the SK.

 

[Shaya]

Gheb, are you skimming?
I think it's been said 3? times at least this page that we successfully role blocked mad scummy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I thought that logic was already debunked? Role blocking doesn't necessarily stop killing; In fact I can't remember a game where role blocking actually prevented a kill. But OK, at least I know now what you mean - I just highly doubt that you're right.

With that said, I think EP is more likely scum than SC.

 

[Evil Eye]

Soviet, what's your third power, seriously.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

My roleblock power specifically states that it prevents the player from using any night actions. Factional abilities should not be exempt based on the wording.



@Tandora, could you give a paraphrased version of the wording of your cop role pm, does it say that it gives mafia/not mafia or scum/not scum, or something of that nature. Give as close to the wording as possible without repeating your role pm.





Assuming that with that clarified (whether Tandora's role works on scum) and the fact that my role pm specifically states that my roleblock prevents all night actions we can feel safe with a 2 man scum team remaining as opposed to an indy SK, which means that the vig is presumably confirmed town.

As such I'd prefer not to reveal my power just yet, revealing it right now will substantially limit it's usefulness.


And if Tandora scans indies as innocent, there's a more substantial use for it, it may help find our SK.



@Edrees Fullclaim includes character.

 

[Swiss]

@Edrees Fullclaim includes character.

@ SC Full claim includes wtf your role is.

I don't buy this JOAT at all, I think you don't have it and simply cleared me of NK'ing last night as it looks like a move no-one would lie about.

 

[Shaya]

@ SC Full claim includes wtf your role is.

I don't buy this JOAT at all, I think you don't have it and simply cleared me of NK'ing last night as it looks like a move no-one would lie about.

*facepalm*.

 

[Tandora]

@ Swiss, you need to post on your hydra account unless you've gone officially solo.
@ Shaya, same goes for you.

I can get either a guilty or innocent result.

I don't think SC roleblocking MS is mutually exclusive from OS dying from trying to recruit him. I think OS's ability killed him from a poor choice. I also think we don't have either a SK or vig. I think Jungle's ability killed him when he used his ability much like how OS's ability killed him.

I believe it is entirely possible MS is indy which would have explained both OS dying and the regular NK.

UNVOTE, VOTE MAD SCUMMY

 

[Tandora]

@ mod, it only takes 4 to lynch, right?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Gheb, if I was scum why would i voluntarily bring up that I'm bulletproof early in the day when I could have just claimed vanilla townie? I brought it up because I wanted you guys to know there could have been a 3rd death that night to have all the necessary information to plan accordingly. Another plus is that I got an an innocent result when scanned, and the godfather is already dead.

if i was SK I wouldn't try to bring up the existence of one to light.

Soviet Coffee what kind of powers do you have left that u can you use tonight?

By the way why is everyone ignoring Nix. Nix is totally coasting. Nix isn't mafia but he can easily be the indy. He's the only one who has neither claimed nor been cleared. (SC is claiming, Gheb claimed, EE is cleared by investigation, i've claimed and am cleared by investigation, Tandora claimed) On top of that he hasn't played much all game.

Nix is the only one who hasn't put his claim out on the table.

Nix I'd like for you to claim.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Soviet I've full claimed TWICE already. i've mentioned my character in two different posts in this thread.

Oh and I just read your last post where you want to keep your power in secret so it can be more useful. Hate to break it to you but tomorrow could put us in lylo, and today has the possibility of being mylo if your gheb turns out to be sk voteblocker. That means keeping ur power a secret does nothing for us. If you realy really think it's best a secret, fair enough, just explaining why I don't think it is, but you know best since you know what it is.

 

[mentosman8]

@ mod, it only takes 4 to lynch, right?

Yes, sorry, can't believe I forgot to edit that part>_>

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

 

[X1-12]

Massive WIFOM there EP, whats all that about? especially the bit about you being SK, you should know better, ya? Why don't you throw the inactive to the wolves while you're at it? oh wait, hmm...

 

[Nix2100]

Unvote before i forget -_-

@Tan - if there is no VG or SK then your basically accusing EP of lying since she claims she was shot last night =P

@EP - If everyone else wants me to claim I have no problems with it =P

And people seriously need to start posting on their hydra accounts <_< It's getting a bit annoying.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, if I was scum why would i voluntarily bring up that I'm bulletproof early in the day when I could have just claimed vanilla townie?

Because somebody being bulletproof is impossible to verify unless we straight lynch that person. It puts town at a lose-lose situation - if the claim is true then we lose somebody who's immune to kills. If the claim is a lie we just procrastinate a stupid WIFOM situation all the way to lylo because we're afraid to lynch that player.

It's pretty safe for scum to claim, regardless of whether you actually are bulletproof or not. Also, having some sort of power is easier to claim than the generic vanilla claim. That play is not pro-town; it's pro Edreese.

I brought it up because I wanted you guys to know there could have been a 3rd death that night to have all the necessary information to plan accordingly. Another plus is that I got an an innocent result when scanned, and the godfather is already dead.

1.) That's a claim anybody can make. Logically, you can't expect us to believe that somebody tried to shoot you last night but that your bulletproof status saved you. It's nothing more than a nice little story that could be a complete lie just as much.
2.) Indies give the Cop innocent results, not guilty.

By the way why is everyone ignoring Nix. Nix is totally coasting. Nix isn't mafia but he can easily be the indy. He's the only one who has neither claimed nor been cleared. (SC is claiming, Gheb claimed, EE is cleared by investigation, i've claimed and am cleared by investigation, Tandora claimed) On top of that he hasn't played much all game.

Starting to agree with this. I was OK with Nix' play because he usually lurks his ass off when he has a townie PR so I figured I'd let him do his thing but now his input is like the missing piece of a puzzle.

Hate to break it to you but tomorrow could put us in lylo, and today has the possibility of being mylo if your gheb turns out to be sk voteblocker.

Do you want us to believe that it's more likely that a vote blocker, who was successfully masoned by a town mason recruiter is an independent SK than somebody who claims to be bulletproof? Claiming that there was a kill attempt against you looks more like an attempt to pseudo-confirm your already unconfirmable - and essentially meaningless - claim to be bulletproof.

At the very least, I have to ask you to quote the post where you tried to hint at being the doctor [even though that's not very hard to fake either].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nix, at the very least you should claim if you're the Vig or not. Same request to EE.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Just to clarify Gheb I completely trust your claim as I've stated. I just brought up that scenario to Soviet Cofee to explain why I think him holding back information isn't wise for us this late in the game. If I were in someone elses position, I think it's more likely I am an indy than Gheb at this point. I only used that example because SC considered that a possibility earlier, and I was showing him that if you look at all the possibilities him holding back information could hurt us at this point in the game. I do not consider you suspect at all, and objectively you are less suspect than me.

Here are the examples of me mentioning doc, I made sure to mention it at least once per Day, and tried to pull it out of the blue:

Day 1

Anyway, I'm just glad doc or other power roles didn't get killed at least. As for the Swords lynch turning town, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, but I don't regret that we lynched him. His play wasn't getting us anywhere and I still think he seemed really scummy at the time. I'll go back and re read people's interactions with him - like the people who were so "sure" he was just dumb town. Not liking those people right now.

Day 2

I wonder who doc tried to protect last night, I think mafia chose their target as someone who is town but doc isn't likely going to target.

Day 3

Also good to know Chibo isn't doc. If he has to be the play so be it, it's a decent play in light of his claim, because doc can still protect someone Tonight, possibly one of our two investigative roles.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

By the way nix and Tandora I am a guy lol

 

[Mad Scummy]

EE

I don't know who to trust. Maybe Mad Scummy? It seems the people I distrust distrust him. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. Maybe. I don't know. Everyone else is too quiet. Need to hear more.

O hai OS.


Look y'all seem ta be believing Gheb straight out and that ain't pro. Worries me.

Wanna know what worries me more? Soviet Indie. I mean Coffee. Lynch that kid.

Play is between SC and Gheb, EP if ya had to push it - but we don't needa do that. We've already said it before and have actually yet to be wrong about a lynch. Pro gamers.

Tan, SC was literally BEGGING to be investigated. O HAI MR INDIE WHO LOOKS CLEAN TO COP INVESTIGATION. Jesus.

 

[Mad Scummy]

EP I don't even want you lynched but that breadcrumbing is about as solid as watered down jelly in a blender.

 

[Mad Scummy]

In that vain EP, we are Carth Onasi, Vanilla Townie, although we beleive we are uninformed miller.

I think people claiming vig or not vig may help too, if not just a massclaim?

 

[Tandora]

Unvote before i forget -_-

@Tan - if there is no VG or SK then your basically accusing EP of lying since she claims she was shot last night =P

@EP - If everyone else wants me to claim I have no problems with it =P

And people seriously need to start posting on their hydra accounts <_< It's getting a bit annoying.

I realized that after I had gotten offline and couldn't use the com again. =/

By the way nix and Tandora I am a guy lol

Sorry, your old pic deceived me. ^_^;;

 

[Soviet Coffee]

@edrees I apoligize, running on very limited sleep right now as I stated in the V/LA thread, monday/tues/weds posts are either early morning before work/school, late night after school/work, or occassionally in class. I managed to forget your name claim.


As for my power, you don't know that until I actually explain what it is. Right now Mad Scummy is obvious scum, so I think I can be confident that I'll survive till tomorrow at which point it will be useful.



@tandora: I'm not asking for your result format, I'm asking for you to PARAPHRASE YOUR ROLE PM, in other words, give us as close as possible to the wording in your role pm so we can figure out it gets guilties on indies.


My roleblock wouldn't have stopped OS from dying when trying to recruit him, my point is that it would've stopped mad scummy from nking because IT STATES THAT IT STOPS ALL NIGHT ACTIONS. I obviously didn't RB OS and it was an effect of his power that would've killed him, not Mad Scummy's. However if Mad Scummy was one of the two Nks we've been getting consistently for the past several days then we would have a missing NK last night.


The fact that it didn't stop a nk yet OS died when trying to recruit him means that he's part of a scumteam, somebody else performed the kill.







Swiss, your scum is showing, this bring back so much dejavu from comodding oddworld. PRs aren't the only way to confirm, since opposing PRs interfer with them, if a PR result makes absolutely no sense behaviorally, that suggests that it's a faked result. The only reason gheb would not be clear is if you flip town.






Frankly, I believe Edrees claim, cause a vig shooting him makes sense and I don't see him lying to protect mad scummy as very likely either, cause that would require them to be in an indy team together (thanks to edrees clear). Even a SK posing as a vig would most likely be gunning for edrees considering that he was the other play of yesterday.




Given the fact that Mad scummy is essentially confirmed scum due to OS's heavy breadcrumbing of the gheb recruit and gheb saying that OS tried to recruit him. And given that my roleblocking him shows that he had to have a scum partner, otherwise there'd be a shot missing (or Edrees would have to be lying which seems unlikely unless they're scum partners).



Given the scum powers we've seen, scum had the ability to confuse town in a major way, whatever occured with my attempted track of edrees especially, since that would've caused 2 mislynches if I hadn't recognized "oh ****, the claim doesn't match up with my power, but him lying doesn't make sense, which means that there was scum interference".


With powers like that (plus godfather AND recruitment) I doubt that there are more then 4 scum in the game, and what happened with mad scummy means that unless there's 5 scum, there's no way we're dealing with an indie, hence the remaining killer is presumably a vig.


So once we've scanned/killed Mad scummy, myself, and nix we should be in the clear.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

In that vain EP, we are Carth Onasi, Vanilla Townie, although we beleive we are uninformed miller.

I think people claiming vig or not vig may help too, if not just a massclaim?

And why in god's name would a miller kill a mason leader when the mason leader tried to recruit them?


This is a classic example of "I believe you found my chainsaw", except there's no reason in hell for miller to be an explination.



@everyone (especially EE and Gheb): I don't have much expirience with the role, but the idea that a miller would kill a mason leader when the mason leader tried to recruit them is utter BS, right?

 

[Nix2100]

I be Ogden from Dragon Age Origins, Vanilla Townie!

@SC - Not sure about that myself while the miller appears as mafia to cop investigations I personally don't know enough about the role here on SWF to say for sure if it appears as mafia to ALL types of night actions.

 

[Mad Scummy]

@everyone (especially EE and Gheb): I don't have much expirience with the role, but the idea that a miller would kill a mason leader when the mason leader tried to recruit them is utter BS, right?

It really isn't.

I know you're not town.

 

[Nix2100]

Edit: -_- Oghren....Ogden sounds better though >_>