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Soviet Coffee

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It really isn't.

I know you're not town.
So make a case.




If town agrees with you they can vig me and scan nix (who at this point I'm pretty sure is our last scum, and the vote pincusion was a bus attempt).


Doesn't matter to me, as long as the 3 of us are dead or scanned by tomorrow night I think we've won, and my personal survival is meaningless at this point.


Heck, maybe I should encourage them to vig me so they know I'm telling the truth about my roleblocking and therefore know that it's two mafia remaining, as opposed to mafia and an indy.




But in the meantime you're obvious scum blowing smoke.
 

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SOVIET COFFEE LIST EVERY POWER YOU STARTED WITH, INCLUDING THE ONE YOU HAVE LEFT. SERIOUSLY.

if you said it recently I apologize I'm not completely caught up and can't concentrate on WoT's at this time, but I am trying to find it and I can't. Seriously. Full-ify your claim. Do it.
 

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EBWOP: Just saw the part of your post where you recanted that, never mind.

But give the fullest of a full claim in your next post. I'm going to leave this thread until I have time to read up in full and focus.
 

Soviet Coffee

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Yea, misunderstood what happened with edrees initially, now I'm pretty much positive it's a vig, Edrees getting shot just seems way too likely.


@Gheb and tandora: Mostly gheb, do you agree with EE here? I'd prefer to keep my last ability as a secret for now but I'd be willing to reveal it if you guys also think it's necessary along with an explanation of what I hoped to accomplish with it.
 

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I think I'd like a list of what abilities you did and when. Also, if you die tonight as you've suggested, then what good is keeping your last ability?
 

Mad Scummy

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I really think SC is the SK thing.

Hows this. We lynch him. We vig or cop me. I'm CLEARED of being indie but I may be scum, so Tan investigates me (vig too or just one if you want) and then we lynch the guy that cop is useless against.

I'm fine to die toNight (Should NOT be in LyLo 'cuz ya'll think I'm scum) but cop is useless vs SC, but not me.

C'mon he's holding so much back about his role AND he contradicts other players.

Boom. Indie indie indie.
 

Mad Scummy

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Didn't think that through either (this is Swiss - surprise surprise).

I'm probably miller. Cop me anyway. If I come back innocent LYNCH GHEB. If guilty then we decide wtf to do.

Or cop EP to see if he's scum. Assuming SC flipped indie.
 

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Ugh god **** it. I wanted to hold off long enough to see what Soviet claimed for his the third power, but holding back any longer would just be a detriment to fruitful discussion.

I'm the vig. Yes, I'm a vig. Deal with it.

N1 I withheld shooting because I felt the events that had transpired were far too murky to make that kind of call. Plus, sometimes SKs are required to kill every night, and claiming vig always sucks in endgame, so every little bit to debunk the likelihood that I'm an SK helps, right? Ronike agreed with me and didn't put in a night action.

N2... well, does that really need any explanation at all? Sir Bedevere and jungle were both very scummy to both Ronike and myself. N2 was all me; Ronike wanted to shoot Chibo, but he wasn't read up or able to do a reread or anything like that. So I did a ****load of rereading, Sir Bed and junglefever still looked scummy as ****, and they looked so much worse with Cheez's flip. I think it's safe to say I made the most of that flip.

If you reread my posts on D3 you might see my exasperation. The exasperation was about a lot more than what I felt was frankly a bad case, all conveniences of suspecting me at the time aside. It was about not claiming vig before going into N3. I had a get out of jail free card -- at least for that Day -- and I refused to play it, because doing so would be antitown. I felt there was a **** good chance mafia would kill me on N3 because of not only my capabilities as a player, but specifically the fact that I'd already hit such an important member of their team (if they hadn't recruited yet), the fact that I was more clear by a sane Tando than Gordito was... really, there'd have been lots of reasons to kill me on N3 if I was out in the open. Anonymity was my friend, and town's friend. There was also the chance that mafia might think I was just playing an excellent game as an SK, and kill me to throw doubt on Tandora.

N3 I shot EdPieces. My rationale is in the paper trail. Hell, I even breadcrumbed it when I was "talking to the vig". I said that I still didn't like Ed and that he'd be a good shot, but that a No-Shoot would also be a pretty solid play. Basically I was trying to breadcrumb to OS (whom I consider an astute player, and may well have seen it), and Tandora (who may not have caught the crumb, but still may have considered Ed a likely vig target). I didn't want either of them to blow an investigation on someone I was fairly sure I would want to shoot that Night. That would be antitown.

When Ed wasn't dead in the morning, and two townies were, I was worried that an antitown faction of some kind had a bus driver, caught my crumb, and used it. After thinking on it, I don't think has taken place. Bulletproof was the conclusion I came to after I calmed down from the initial irritated panic. It fits Wrex and it fits a Krogan, that's for sure.

Any suggestions I've made throughout the game about serial killers etc etc were just me protecting my role. I thought about how I'd perceive the situation as a VT, and I stated it. Simple as.


So, basically, unless we're dealing with a brilliant Serial Killer that has pulled the greatest Endgame Surprise Kill of all time... there IS no serial killer. Seriously. Sink that deep into your noggins, make the rest of these clamheads finish claiming, and redirect your assumptions. Because I'm the vigilante, and I shot EdreesesPieces last night.
 

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Again, your scum is showing.


You're saying that you're a miller, so why in god's good name would we cop you? Remember, that's why you're claiming that OS died when trying to recruit you.


You're obviously desperate to survive, whereas I don't care if I survive as long as nix and you die too. It's so obvious that you're scum because you're way too concerned with surviving. If I am a SK, then I won't be able to vig myself now will I? So assuming Nix doesn't come back as a guilty you guys can just lynch me.




Also, explain why there's a serial killer. Seriously night action analysis strongly suggests that there's two remaining scum on a team.



@everyone: Cop me and vig nix, or vig me and cop nix? Which would you guys prefer? I wanna finish deciding the night actions so we can hammer mad scummy.
 

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I also breadcrumbed my role. I have to get offline so I can't go dig up my role PM, but as I understand it, I'm a bisexual elf from the game Dragon Age. I breadcrumbed this twice in two of my bigger posts on D3. As some of you who have played with me know, I'm fond of colorizing my rebuttals and points to people. Well, in two different posts, I colorized an entire section of rebuttals going from red on to purple. Rainbows. Bisexual elf.
 

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@EE: Fair enough, but you being Vig was exactly what I figured would happen (didn't wanna say it for obvious reasons) and it fits my NA analysis perfectly.


Without a serial killer, I don't see any third party anti-town factions left, and with everyone who's not named Soviet Coffee, Nix, or Mad scummy cleared, as long as we take a scorched earth approach to the remaining non-confirmed players, we win. Mad scummy first cause we have a guilty on him and he's falling apart to the point of being barely coherent.




But this day can take as long as necessary. Mafia's all that's left here, I'm almost positive, as long as we follow my plan it's all good.
 

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Well this is fantastic news.

How do we have a guilty on me, SC? We do not. What we have is a dead OS and a Gheb that says I killed him (accidentally). See OS, I can kill you in my sleep :bee:

But like srs wat. You have yet to supply a reason why I cannot be the miller. Someone has to be and y'all seem to have power roles (Vig, JOAT, Voteblocker etc). Not many VT roles floatin' around.

SC the miller does kill the masoner upon being targeted, we know this.

Won't someone think of the domo kun?



Srsly he's cute. Can't be scum.
 

Soviet Coffee

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All shots are accounted for, you did kill overswarm when he tried to mason with you, hence we have a guilty on you. OS breadcrumbed it so much that the only way there's any possible reason to believe gheb isn't telling the truth is if you flip town and not miller.



The only possible serial killer is EE right now since he claimed the shots, and frankly I doubt it very strongly, there's no reason to believe he's an indy.




Which means, there aren't any indies in this game, just mafia. We have 3 people who need to be killed/scanned, you, me, and nix. Since your death confirms gheb you need to die first, as in get lynched toDay, then me and nix tonight. If either doesn't happen, then the person that didn't get killed/scanned needs to get lynched, unless tandora survives and gets a guilty.




So convince me:

1. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE EE IS A SK?

2. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A NON-SK INDY THAT'S DANGEROUS?


Cause without giving a strong reason for both those questions, there's no reason to proceed in any fashion other then just killing/scanning us 3.




And again, why in God's good name would we scan you if OS's death equates to a guilty scan on you?
 

Soviet Coffee

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EBWOP: I see niave miller as unlikely because you claimed VT, yet you haven't been pro-town enough to perform one of VT's main obligations, attract NKs to protect PRs.


Still, the main point is your miller claim means that it's impossible for a scan to clear you, which means you have to be flipped because you're unconfirmed. Since your flip will finish confirming gheb (even if you are a miller), we get the entire scumteam tomorrow. If vig outprioritizes NK all 3 of us can be dead by next game day.


Since you're the one that the guilty is on, you're the obvious choice for the lynch.
 

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I haven't been pro town enough to get NK'd...

I apologise for not getting myself NK'd. I was as pro town as I could have possibly been D1/2. I slipped up when I wasn't here.



You're a snake.

But a snake with logic. You probably aren't the SK thingy.

Talkin' to mah partner now, mainly 'cuz I'm prolly gonna get us lynched.
 

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I suspected RonEEke was the vig. I started to suspect this when I realized I was asked Nix to claim and didn't ask Ron, and I thought "who would want to shoot me based on yesterday's actions" and realized the only person that would want to shoot me was him. Then it crossed my mind he's probably vig, but I wasn't sure. It makes perfect sense. He's been playing a pro town game, I don't think he's an SK at all.

Mad Scummy is saying panicked things, like he's the miller, but we should investigate him anyway, lynch SC. ToDAy we lynch Mad Scummy, and use a combination of vig and investigation on Soviet Coffee/Nix. To me it doesn't matter, at this point I'm pretty sure the game's going to end once we lynch Mad Scummy.

Mad Scummy's trying to play the "Im a miller card" because very recently he saw that it was effective for Xastrn in oddworld mafia and we didn't lynch that guy despite a guilty because we believed in him to be the miller. Adumbrodeus knows what I'm talking about.
 

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I am totally ok with getting shot tonight >_>

Vote: Mad Scummy

L-1 I do believe!
 

Soviet Coffee

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People are piling votes on mad scummy, I don't want him to get hammered and have the day end before we get to discuss this, but in case it does...


Default night actions (perform this if we don't get to fully coordinate them):

Vig: Me

Investigate: Nix


Unless we get a full discussion on them, do this. If discussion is cut off early for whatever reason and you're unsure, do this.











@ Gheb, tandora, EE, and Edrees (mainly the first 3): Please decide what you wanna do, investigate me and kill nix or kill me and investigate nix, we need to decide this.


As I said, I'd prefer to till tomorrow because I do have a remaining power, in case there's something unexpected, but the primary issue is dealing with the remaining unconfirms.


Old questions remaining:


@gheb Again, should I claim my last power?

Tandora: Please paraphrase your role pm.
 

Soviet Coffee

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Lol, and if mad scummy wasn't obvious enough scum before, he is now.



Thank you for voteblocking him btw gheb, we cool.

*brofists*



And and nix seems to be a lot more likely to be his scummate, right?





In case you didn't realize this mad scummy, you can't self-hammer because of gheb.
 

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Swiss, care to comment on being obvious scum?



Also:

*points at nix taking mad scummy into self-hammer range*



@edrees: Do you have a preference to one variation or the other? If so why?
 

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Millers don't kill a Mason upon recruitment. Masons can recruit everything that's town aligned and die to everything else. There's a similar role that dies upon recruiting the Miller but survives recruiting the GF. The name is completely different though - it's town cult recruiter. There should be no confusions between these roles.

@Gheb and tandora: Mostly gheb, do you agree with EE here? I'd prefer to keep my last ability as a secret for now but I'd be willing to reveal it if you guys also think it's necessary along with an explanation of what I hoped to accomplish with it.
The thing is, unless you consider yourself a top pick for a night kill it's probably better for you to claim. I'm saying this because it'll be easier to verify your claim if we know it before the next night - there's a chance that some unpredictable night action happens and you could tailor your claim to the situation in that case. If you tell us your power now and nothing out of the ordinary happens toNight we can take your claim at face value which'll make the rest of the game a breeze.

So yes, claim your last power please.

I believe EEs role claim - I figured it's either a Vig or SK and since EE claims Vig I think EP is probably town too now.

:059:
 

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Man Mad Scummy... he's just... mad scummy.

I actually thought he was pretty protown D1-most of D2 (though Cheez looks a bit like bussing, especially in lieu of OS's investigation, if you reread that section). That's actually one of the scant few reasons I didn't shoot him last Night. The other being that I considered him a likely investigation target. What a twist!

Shooting Ed worked out though since it not only verified his ability but led to this lovely contradiction between Soviet and Ed -- that or evidence or a crazy BS role. Either way, contradictions are good. They give us avenues to pursue.

I am down to shoot you, Soviet Coffee. Shoot you so hard. I was always going to claim at some point toDay because I felt it'd be better to get myself in the open. Y'know, try to panic up the scum, 'n' stuff. With Tando and myself both out in the open, either a vig kill is happening toNight, or an investigation. Either one is ugly for them. Bad news bears.

So we have seven people in play, correct? That gives us a 3man lylo on D5. Soviet, you mentioned an insurance policy against Scumdora. Would this power still work if I opted to shoot you in the face toNight? If not, why haven't you revealed it?

And yeah to elaborate on why I want to shoot you in your face, well, I've done some solid hunting in the voting patterns of those who have flipped scum, and yeah. Nix looks like real unlikely scum in lieu of that. Meanwhile you are tangled up in a contradiction, Shaya was playing pretty **** weird earlier this Day, and you've even admitted to being scummy (for the purpose of protecting yourself as a JoaT, ostensibly, but you know -- WIFOM and all that).

Really want Nix to claim.

Actually I'd like people that have already claimed to claim again in the fullest possible form, character name, bioware game, role name, paraphrase of abilities from role PM. Y'know all that jazz.
 

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Wait, MS hammered himself? Gggguuurrrrrrrggggghhhhh. Now I have to play Dumb or Scum with ****ing Nix of all people.
 

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Soviet let's hear about that insurance policy and stuff... sooner than later. Because I'm tempted to shoot Nix now, but I don't want Tando to investigate the same person I target.

TANDORA IF I DON'T GET ANOTHER POST IN BEFORE THE LYNCH FLAVOR, ASSUME I'M SHOOTING SOVIET AND INVESTIGATE NIX
 

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I'm never playing mafia on 2 hours of sleep again.

And by never, I mean until later tonight T_T


Well, that was a lot of panic and hubbub for nothin'. Apologies. Also, that Stormtrooper pic would be more effective with stubble and an open bottle of whiskey in my opinion.
 

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hurk, 7 in play gives us a 4man mylo if my shot goes through toNight, or a standard D5. This is assuming Mad Scummy flips scum, of course.
 

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Millers don't kill a Mason upon recruitment. Masons can recruit everything that's town aligned and die to everything else. There's a similar role that dies upon recruiting the Miller but survives recruiting the GF. The name is completely different though - it's town cult recruiter. There should be no confusions between these roles.



The thing is, unless you consider yourself a top pick for a night kill it's probably better for you to claim. I'm saying this because it'll be easier to verify your claim if we know it before the next night - there's a chance that some unpredictable night action happens and you could tailor your claim to the situation in that case. If you tell us your power now and nothing out of the ordinary happens toNight we can take your claim at face value which'll make the rest of the game a breeze.

So yes, claim your last power please.

I believe EEs role claim - I figured it's either a Vig or SK and since EE claims Vig I think EP is probably town too now.

:059:
Ok, since the three of you are united on this, I'll give the last power.


Character: Commander Shepard
Bioware Game: Mass Effect
Role: Jack of All Trades (all abilities are 1 time use)
Ability 1: Track, tells me who the person I tracked visited
Ability 2: Roleblock, prevents the person I target from using any night actions.
Ability 3: Investigate, gives me a flavor clue to the character to who the character I investigated was.



The insurance policy was twofold.

1. To verify tandora's claim.

2. To draw the NK if it was tandora, which would leave us free to lynch her if she actually was scum, and this was what I wanted to maintain, basically if they chose to go after me in spite of both a cop and a vig existing, we'd know something was off.



As I said, I doubt this will be an issue, but just in case.


If I use it on somebody that's confirmed town (gheb, you haven't character claimed yet, right?) then I guess we can use it to confirm me innocent, but I was hoping to be more pro-actively useful with the last one.






EE, Nix already claimed, he claimed ogden, another vanilla townie.
 
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