@Gheb: Who's the play from your POV? As much detail as possible.
Regarding Nix:
During all our discussion about the contradiction between SCs claim and myself we didn't take note of the possibility, that Nix could be lying about his role [this also actually applies to EP too]. Based on past experiences with him I know for a fact that he - regardless of his alignment - likes to lurk a lot when he has a PR [more so than he does when he's Vanilla imo], which is why I left him alone earlier when people wagoned him for his passivity. Nix is the player we know the least about and that troubles me more than the other players - no result from Tandora and no confirmed power either [all the other remaining players have either one or the other]. His play doesn't match with his role at all and we have no other information on him.
Regarding EP:
He could also be lying about his role except that he is cleared by Tandora - the problem with him is, that I don't get pro-town vibes from him anymore, especially in his recent posts:
I'd rather lynch nix and if he flips town, vig gheb. Nix came up with that last ditch effort to get gheb lynched and also has been in the shadows all game. In add. we aren't tooo sure how the driving works. I'd like gheb to show some exampels of a drive in the vein he's talking about tho cuz I never heard of it working that way.
Leaning to sticking with lynching Nix but im gonna re read the whole thread to make that decision.
gheb ru ok with lynching u and vigging nix?
nix ru ok with lynching u and vigging gheb?
First of all this post shows that he is clearly skimming - it would be excusable during Day 1 RVS but this is probably mylo and I don't see why you would ask somebody a question he answered just before. Ronike wrote a great post in the original FFVII Mafia on how skimming can be a scumtell later in the game [what he's essentially saying: as mafia you are more likely to skim based on your knowledge advantage] and I feel that this is exactly the kind of skimming that shows lack of care in an important situation.
And his plan is absolutely unacceptable. The "lynch one, vig the other" formula is stuff for Day 1 to get rid of dead weight but such a suggestion in mylo is ridiculous. He doesn't even consider the fact that the mafia kill has most likely priority over the vig kill [otherwise it would be broken in town's favor]. His lack of concern in such a situation doesn't sit right with me. That's definitely not the kind of pro-town play I'm expecting so late in the game - it'S quite the contrary actually. I'd consider him the play ovver Nix if it wasn't for Tandora's innocent on him, which makes him indy at worst [and right now lynching the last mafioso definitely takes top priotity].
Regarding EE:
Confirmed Power, innocent on investigation and based on previous nights unlikely to be indie - completely clear in my eyes.
So the order is Nix -> EP for me.
Now to answer Nix' points:
This is supposedly be after you got "converted" into the Mason....why waste a investigation on you if you were in a town mason with OS? And you telling your partner to investigate EP here, when did you both decide on MS instead?
We wanted Tandora to investigate me to keep me clear in case Overswarm masoned anti-town. The plan was to give me maximum credibility via the investigation as well as the knowledge over somebody being town or not via the masonry.
I wanted Overswarm to investigate EP because I felt it was better to be sure about him than to be sure about MS - especially since I thought of MS as a good lynch anyway, whereas EP I was simply unsure about. However, since it was Overswarm's power he had the last saying on whom he wanted to recruit and he thought that MS was a better recruitment than EP.
OS didn't like you telling him what to do it seems
OS is still concerned with you even after he "converted" you?
Saying you "don't like something" or "something concerns you" and actually
playing accordingly are two very different things. Both Overswarm and I are aware of this so we decided to not buddy-buddy too obviously - leaving breadcrumbs is one thing we can refer to later and a situation like we have now but going further than that would've been dangerous [especially with the amount of good players in this game we decided to not go too far].
Fact of the matter is that he never played as if anything I did or said ever actually worried him - in one of your quotes he even directly asked me to comment on EE's case. I simply chose to avoid a straight answer - and guess what? IT DOESN'T CONCERN HIM IN THE SLIGHTEST. He doesn't even take note of the fact, that I didn't really answer his question. He could've posted ten times that he has problems with me and it wouldn't have been true still because. He simply wanted to create some distance.
So first all...between a claimed cop that's throwing out stuff and a non-claimed townie....i'd rather investigate the cop and yet even though he said in that one paragraph that he assumes your both town due to tandora claims....he puts you in the unknown list despite having Tandora "cleared".
What would you have done? Do you expect him to put me in the "clear" list when to the eye of the public I'm not clear at all? Our breadcumbs have been subtle enough - do you not see that we tried to keep our connection hidden as well as possible? He could've put me in the "cleared" list but what for? To point out a connection we wanted to keep for ourselves? To make ourselves the center of the discussion? There were already enough controversies around him and it would definitely have hurt our mason had he made it that obvious.
And see that sentance on the bottom? He says he wants you investigated >_>
I already told you about it. We both agreed that me being clear would be the ideal case for the town, which is why we both asked to have me investigated. Do you think that's coincidence?
Not sure why there's still speculation though <_< regardless of what the driver did, the fact is that SC tracked OS going NOWHERE the night Gheb got "converted"....mechanics and all that you know?
It's also a fact, that your power [or lack thereof] is not confirmed and that you might be lying. EP also could easily be lying about his role and might've only told us half the story.
