Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[X1-12]

Aposl I told you to investigate someone I had an innocent on so that you could clear them...

 

[X1-12]

And can you at least claim definitively which number you investigated, but don't necessarily claim the result yet.

 

[X1-12]

Hey Ranmaru, haven't seen you post in a while, say something!

 

[Aposl]

I investigated 12

 

[Pink Lemonade]

wtf

I just checked and I have no results. I can't quote but closely paraphased it

"[Your investigation produces no results]"


There's also a bit of flavour about my hands shaking

Everything RR posts makes me want to kill him, but if he's GF then that means someone else RB'ed me, but an Indy would gain nothing from doing that =[.

Aposl did you find out me? Or the number 13? If so you could be paranoid or something and accidentally roleblocking/rolestopping


argh this game

You brought up that Jungle mafia set-up where there were 2 killing scum and one nonkilling, which makes more sense here than there being a godfather since you were roleblocked.

The good thing is that this does tell us that the last something, indy or mafia, did not gain its powers from a bingo, these are powers they have had all along. And it makes sense why they didn't use them until Zen was dead, considering you can't have someone being roleblocked when Zen had supposedly been getting roleblocked every night.

There doesn't have to be another mafia member, but the realistic possible balanced set-ups from this point (that I can think of) are

1.) There's no more mafia but a large indy team (3 players most likely) with no kill

2.) There's 1 more mafia, and maybe some other stuff.


If you think its 1.) Explain which 3 of the alive players aren't town, if you think its 2.) explain who the mafia is.

I really don't think it is #1, because I just don't think that there are three players who are left that are scum. Is there a possibility there is only one indy and a nonkilling mafia remaining?

I think #2 is the actual situation. Right now I would say that:

X1- town, believe he was roleblocked
Aposl- town, believe his claim
Red Ryu- town, believe the clear on him is legit
Asdioh- has given me a town vibe all game, he went toe to toe with J multiple times and done a hell of a lot of work in this game
Glyph- believe his claim, has been extremely pro-town, called J and TDW really early; I don't believe he is mafia. Not sure if it makes sense for indy to be bulletproof, but if so then he could be indy but I would still think there is another mafia.

Seikend- I already made a case on Soup and Seik and Soup came out looking hella scummier :-/ I believe that scum lies in the claimed vts, and I simply get stronger town vibes from Asdioh and Glyph.

I think Seikend is most likely the last scum. Ran and I talked and I know he has slightly different views from me on the subject, and he is going to be in control of the hydra from now until at least May 5th because I have finals. I trust that his reads have been better than mine all game anyways so I trust wherever he goes with his reads.

 

[Asdioh]

I clearly told scum to kill me, wth.
Wasn't expecting a no kill... dunno what to do now. I somehow doubt that there is a large, nonkilling faction left. We'd have seen at least one of them by now, I would think :/
Uhh... dunno who the scum is lolol
Agreed with Seik that indy hunting is hard. Scumhunting is one of the towniest things you can do, but indies can do it too @_@

 

[X1-12]

we don't know its only indies left. The fact we have two protective roles (assuming Glyph isn't lying, or not town aligned but still BP) suggest there are more than 2 people in the mafia with the kill

just look for people who don't look town

 

[X1-12]

Anyone have a problem with Aposl revealing who #12 is?

 

[Asdioh]

i don't see why anyone would have anything remotely resembling a problem with that

i also think that if X1 or Aposl is lying, then both of them are lying, as one role would be pretty much useless without the other. Aposl's role might have SOME use without the cop counterpart, but only in preventing lynches that result in Bingo... kind of pointless.
What I'm getting at is that I think they're both telling the truth.

Or Aposl's the indy roleblocker, that knows all the numbers, and gains benefits from bingos... but can't kill (until maybe he gets a bingo?)

 

[X1-12]

Aposl isn't indy.

Also Aposl's role could exist without mine but not vice versa, meaning if you believe I'm town, Aposl is confirmed town, but if you believe Aposl town that doesn't necessarily make me town

 

[Asdioh]

meaning if you believe I'm town, Aposl is confirmed town

But what if he is an indy with a power like... eh.. you're right, it would be very unlikely.

Anyway, I was assuming there was going to be a kill, and if so I was going to go after PL or Seik (but mostly PL) toDay.

The lack of kills makes me trust Glyph's bulletproof claim slightly less...

There's also the fact that Red Ryu could easily show up as innocent as an indy.

This is a pain I have no idea how many mislynches we can afford.

 

[X1-12]

Also good point, we don't know that scum know who is which number. They almost certain target a player with their kill, but they might not know which number that player is

 

[X1-12]

I'm still thinking about No Lynching but idk..

Pros of Aposl giving results:
erm, not that much.

Cons:
It could let scum know who is number 12, allowing them a Bingo

 

[Aposl]

I will say one thing 12 is not glyph... makes his claim look less likley IMO, and now the fact that he was kinda tunneling me yesterday idk. I wanna trust him, I want a bullet proof teammate, but... what do you guys think?

 

[ranmaru]

What do you guys think about that Glyph/J interactions earlier? (you know, when Glyph was callin j out as scum for something he called Kev town for)

 

[Aposl]

also just thought of this, since glyph is not 12 lynching him actualy wont make a bingo XD, I think im definitely for it now.

vote glyph

 

[X1-12]

Aposl unvote just in case its MYLO, if it was the scum could easily all post votes as the same time and quicklynch him for the win


You also have like no reasoning for Glyph being scum other than he doesn't like you, lol.

 

[X1-12]

Also can you answer me whether I'm number 12?


actually no change my mind, don't say that

 

[Asdioh]

Can we restate what the numbers/innocents are please? All I remember is that RR is 6 and innocent.

 

[Aposl]

Uhh I gave you my reason, scum wouldn't vote him unless he gave them a bingo right? His bullet proof ability? yeah right they wouldnt choose him twice, he cant kill and this was his trick to get us to kill ourselves, that why he tunneled me in hope of getting town support before I found out he wasnt 12. Thats my theory. But if you insist

Unvote

 

[Asdioh]

X1, it's not mylo. There is NO WAY there are 5/13 scum with such weak town PRs. imo.

 

[X1-12]

The jungle republic setup is 5/7 and the only town PR is a cop which only works on 2 of the scum. Go figure


Aposl, Theories are useless without backing or evidence, you haven't explained how Glyph is scummy

 

[X1-12]

1, 6 and 8 are innocent.

6 is RR, 7 is Aposl

 

[X1-12]

The jungle republic setup is 5/7 and the only town PR is a cop which only works on 2 of the scum. Go figure


Aposl, Theories are useless without backing or evidence, you haven't explained how Glyph is scummy

I mean 5v7 (5 out of 12)

 

[ranmaru]

Hey Ranmaru, haven't seen you post in a while, say something!

Lol I didn't notice this, sorry. It's just that I hesitate to post when under this account lol, but i'm lazy...

I just think Glyph was distancing on J hardcore.

 

[Asdioh]

ok that makes MUCH more sense lol.
Anyway, the fact that you target players based on their unknown numbers, rather than names, make the Cop in this game more gimpy.

And X1, you targeted 12 but got "lol shaky hands" last Night?

I really think Aposl should just say who it is.

 

[Aposl]

so what do we do then glyph? Im all ears

 

[X1-12]

Why do you think that?

Glyph say something too.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Aposl is your case against me really "it won't make a bingo"?

X1, is it a good idea to pursue a no lynch today?

 

[Asdioh]

Why do you think that?

I just don't see why not.
Since you mentioned it might be you, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Unless the last person is scum :3
Think about it, you got 3 innocents, and then something that wasn't innocent. Possibly a roleblock, possibly this game's version of a guilty?

 

[X1-12]

Nah Asdioh last Night I targeted 13 and got no result. Pretty confident the shaky hands is just unrelated flavour.


@Ran: #2868 is directed at your #2865. Answer it please

 

[X1-12]

Glyph think for yourself.


@Asdioh I'm pretty sure No result =/= Guilty. lol

 

[Asdioh]

Oh, it was 13. And Aposl targeted 12. Ok.

1, 6 and 8 are innocent.

6 is RR, 7 is Aposl

13 is shaky hands, 12 is someone that Aposl hasn't revealed yet. Now that we know this, knowing who 12 is doesn't help a ton.


If we No Lynch toDay, X1 should target 12, Aposl should target 13, correct?

 

[ranmaru]

You called me scum for saying I was town in an RVS post.

You called KevinM town for saying he was town in a real post.

???

Yeah i know x1. I was looking for the page of where it happened.

Mostly this is why he comes off as odd to me.

 

[ranmaru]

Kevin didn't have to fake his.

How would he know this????

 

[X1-12]

no. If we NL I should target 12, Aposl should target 1 or 8 to get a clear.

Aposl should have targeted 1 or 8 last Night but didn't listen when I told him.

 

[X1-12]

@Ran: Ask him yourself

 

[ranmaru]

True.

Glyph, why were you so sure of J being scum from his I AM TOWN post when you were already of sure of Kev's townieness WITHOUT meta, when he said the same damn thing?!?

 

[Seikend]

Cool with the possibility of Glyph scum.

Buuut does it make sense though for a mafia member to be unable to NK when the rest have flipped Goon? I'm not aware of a role that specifically cant send in a NK, only roles that have the priority when NKing.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Literally been over this like 10 times ran. I'll elaborate when i get home, in the mean time read back and see if you can find my reasoning