Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[JTB]

My post wasn't scummy at all, you just take it as is.

"If you are good town, you should be able to erase all hostility between someone."

Read that out loud and tell me that makes sense.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

JTB: Of the three other claimants, which would you most like to see go toDay in place of you, assuming we had the time and disregarding their claims entirely to focus only on their play?

 

[JTB]

J of course. That's where my vote is at.

 

[Seikend]

Ughh.

I'm back very momentarily. Found some free time.

I can't believe I'm doing this but

unvote


JTB, explain why if you were working on leads throughout the Day you didn't post them earlier? In the time that Glyph said he was looking for them, you could have posted your leads, right?

 

[JTB]

I didn't really see it necessary to post leads. It was pretty obvious that J made connections with almost everyone in the game, I figured everyone knew that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Time to get *****-smacked JTB, prepare yourself.

that's a pretty damn bias post JTB, and quite a scummy one.

If anything, it's the exact opposite of biased. J even states that I sound like a "troubled middle man", I'm inbetween deciding if the claim is true or false.

you state:

ughghgh

the thing is, I could definitely see watcher as a mafia safeclaim, its way more believeable than a doc safeclaim

idk

your real intent of this post is that you are buddying with smarg, and you are indeed trying to discredit J as he stated, what makes a tracker claim more scummy, compared to a doc claim?

that is bias my friend.

Don't even try to make this seem like a scumtell. If I think someone else is scum and they have way more connections than my biggest scumpick, of course I'm going to think the other player is the way to go. It's more beneficial to town that way.

and i state again, why is it, smarg has just enough cases as J does, and yet, i still don't see you trying to plead your case, if you felt so strong about J in the first place, you shoulda made a damn case.

Still being dumb. My case had weight to it, but J was making connections to every player, setting himself up to be the perfect lynch, which is why my cases were being disregarded.

"WAHHH THIS PLAYER IS PLAYING BETTER THEN ME I CAN'T POSSIBLY COMPETE AGAINST HIM!"

I didn't notice this back then, but why would he tell me to not act like I was going to survive toDay? Is he suggesting that I just give up and let town mislynch when we could lynch Jscum?

YOU
ARE
NOT
TRYING
TO
LYNCH
J
SCUM

YOU
HAVE
NOT
OPENED
UP
A
CASE

OR
DEFENDED
YOUR
STANCES!!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My post wasn't scummy at all, you just take it as is.

"If you are good town, you should be able to erase all hostility between someone."

Read that out loud and tell me that makes sense.

a good town doesn't need to cop out or try to make up excuses for their scummy play.

 

[Seikend]

.____.

Okay, was not expecting that answer at all and I hate it.

Glyph did 90 minutes of work looking for leads. Why did you not step in and say, hey you don't need to do that?

Regardless of whether you felt we needed the leads posted, I asked for them. Glyph looked for them.

 

[Seikend]

Also

@Asdioh why didn't you just say so earlier? .__.;

 

[smargaret]

I didn't really see it necessary to post leads. It was pretty obvious that J made connections with almost everyone in the game, I figured everyone knew that.

So we're supposed to be psychic now?

 

[JTB]

Seikend, you are acting as if I knew he was doing an extensive read of J, no way did he imply he was.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

......

what.

 

[Seikend]

...

"Glyph and J are possibilities if anyone can point to solid connections we get for town and scum flips."

J was a scumpick for you, right? And you had those leads? Why didn't you just jump at the opportunity to post?

 

[JTB]

time to get *****-smacked jtb, prepare yourself.

if anything, it's the exact opposite of biased. J even states that i sound like a "troubled middle man", i'm inbetween deciding if the claim is true or false.

you state:

if anything, it's the exact opposite of biased. J even states that i sound like a "troubled middle man", i'm inbetween deciding if the claim is true or false.

your real intent of this post is that you are buddying with smarg, and you are indeed trying to discredit j as he stated, what makes a tracker claim more scummy, compared to a doc claim?

what makes a (watcher) claim more scummy? How likely is it that a doc doesn't exist in this game and was given to scum as a safeclaim.

Pro-tip, it's not likely at all. A watcher safeclaim is far more likely than a doc safeclaim, which is why i argued against j's claim.

By no means i am clearing smargaret, i even posted her in my scumpicks.




that is bias my friend.

don't even try to make this seem like a scumtell. If i think someone else is scum and they have way more connections than my biggest scumpick, of course i'm going to think the other player is the way to go. It's more beneficial to town that way.

and i state again, why is it, smarg has just enough cases as j does, and yet, i still don't see you trying to plead your case, if you felt so strong about j in the first place, you shoulda made a damn case.

are you confusing cases with connections? There is no way that smargaret has been involved with players as much as j.

still being dumb. My case had weight to it, but j was making connections to every player, setting himself up to be the perfect lynch, which is why my cases were being disregarded.

"wahhh this player is playing better then me i can't possibly compete against him!"

/facepalm

i didn't notice this back then, but why would he tell me to not act like i was going to survive today? Is he suggesting that i just give up and let town mislynch when we could lynch jscum?

you
are
not
trying
to
lynch
j
scum

you
have
not
opened
up
a
case

or
defended
your
stances!!

i am trying to lynch j scum, why do you think i pointed out the possibility of a watcher safeclaim in the first place.

. .

 

[Asdioh]

JTB town is so unlikely now, i don't even want to think it, he does goes with whatever anyone says, an he hardly makes cases except that holy grail of a seikend case that he never produced which apparently depends on your flip or 'someone elses' flip.

if JTB is town, then it's his own dumb fault for being scummy, but i have no doubt in my mind that JTB is scum.

HOLY HYPOCRISY BATMAN

JTB: Of the three other claimants, which would you most like to see go toDay in place of you, assuming we had the time and disregarding their claims entirely to focus only on their play?

Did you see his big post? Did you really even need to ask this?

Also

@Asdioh why didn't you just say so earlier? .__.;

Just thought of it recently. I thought my timing was pretty good!
/buddybuddy
/hopes you're not scum



Yeah, I want J lynched. Not JTB.

A J scum flip: Gives us a ton to work with. I can look into it later, but it will look good for myself, glyph, JTB, some others. It will look bad for Soup, possibly TDW, possibly PL, some others. All I know is it gives us a LOT to work with.

A J town flip: will look bad for myself, glyph, JTB, some others, it will look good for soup, some others, etc.

I'm not sure what a JTB flip will give us. If he flips town, seik was one of his top scumpicks right? I'll have to look into him in that case. Definitely look more into J in that case. Soup as well.
If he flips scum, that will look pretty good for J, maybe for soup, maybe for TDW, I don't know I'll have to look into it more extensively.


Sorry J, I'm going with Glyph/JTB/NotSoup on this one, I want you lynched.

 

[JTB]

So we're supposed to be psychic now?

What, you have to be psychic to see the various exchanges that J has been in? Or to reread the thread every once in a while?

 

[Asdioh]

@JTB: it was scum tracker, not watcher. It was also a big 18 person game with two mafia factions and 2 indies lol, but still the possibility exists, or he could be lying about being a watcher period. The timing of claiming watcher after the doc claimed is also pretty convenient, especially when followed by his "Oh I just caught up, looks like we're gonna be buddying, Smargaret! ^_^"


@Vig: SHOOT SOUP OVER APOSL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
APOSL CAN GO N2 IF HE HASN'T IMPROVED BUT I SEE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
SOUP IS JUST SCUMMY AND CONFUSING

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

A J lynch kills a potential watcher, and this way, J can't bs even if he is scum, if Smarg dies, J did it, if J dies, smarg did it, and i hardly think scum would go ahead and do that.

J is safe for now, let him live for the moment, but if we decide to lynch him later on, so be it.

don't fix something if it's not broken, which this situation is not.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Asdioh

yeah, me calling JTB out for his **** is so scummy man, i just am so confusing wow. >.>

 

[JTB]

...

"Glyph and J are possibilities if anyone can point to solid connections we get for town and scum flips."

J was a scumpick for you, right? And you had those leads? Why didn't you just jump at the opportunity to post?

Oh, I'm dumb.

IIRC, a J lynch would give us alot to work with, Glyph/PL/GLG just off the top of my head. I know there's more, but Glyph is already working on it.

Idk, I was probably just being lazy to go back and find every single connection since Glyph already stated he was going to post stuff.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

next time i will just twiddle my thumbs all day and not do anything at all, isn't that so pro-town?

are you confusing cases with connections? There is no way that smargaret has been involved with players as much as j.

remember what i stated pre-game?

confrontation does not mean lack of information.

i am trying to lynch j scum, why do you think i pointed out the possibility of a watcher safeclaim in the first place.

that is the only thing you have on J, seriously, make a bigger ****ing case.

 

[Asdioh]

A J lynch kills a potential watcher, and this way, J can't bs even if he is scum, if Smarg dies, J did it, if J dies, smarg did it, and i hardly think scum would go ahead and do that.

Let's assume J is the town watcher. If he and smarg survive the day, then neither of them is going to die tonight (unless scum has a strongman role, then J will die)

Ok. Now let's assume J is scum and is lying. If he and smarg survive the day, then neither of them is going to die tonight in order to make ScumJ look good.

The only way to "prove" J is watcher is to have him watch Smarg and say who visited her, if anyone. That requires outing another PR. Otherwise, Smarg is not going to be targeted, regardless of Js alignment.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Neither will die.

Smarg will be on J (doccing him)
J will watch smarg (meaning he will see anyone who tries to NKill Smarg.)

IT'S
FULLPROOF.

 

[JTB]

next time i will just twiddle my thumbs all day and not do anything at all, isn't that so pro-town?



remember what i stated pre-game?

confrontation does not mean lack of information.

So let me ask, if both smargaret and J claimed VT, which would you lynch?


that is the only thing you have on J, seriously, make a bigger ****ing case.

I've already stated why I thought J was scummy and Glyph has posted exactly what a J flip would provide town with.

stuf f

 

[JTB]

Neither will die.

Smarg will be on J (doccing him)
J will watch smarg (meaning he will see anyone who tries to NKill Smarg.)

IT'S
FULLPROOF.

inb4 Jscum claims to be roleblocked

good job outing the plan to scum, don't expect it to work now

 

[Asdioh]

Neither will die.

Smarg will be on J (doccing him)
J will watch smarg (meaning he will see anyone who tries to NKill Smarg.)

IT'S
FULLPROOF.

Yes, that's assuming J is indeed the town watcher.
If he's scum, that means he and his scumbuddies will target someone else and J will claim "I watched smarg and nobody visited her."
He will be called out for lying IF, and ONLY IF, a town tracker/cop/something else targets her, and proves he is not really the watcher. Or he could be a scum watcher and watch her anyway.

It doesn't prove he's town, lol.

foolproof*

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I'm just going to assume we are lynching JTB toDay because if we lynch J and we are wrong we lose our watcher and our doc all in one move, since you know, there are still a significant amount of people on J.

If JTB flips town we need to look at Asdioh again and Soup. Leaning town on Seikend now. JTB flips scum and we get interesting information about mafia anyways and connections.

@Soup: The plan is good, not full proof.

 

[th3kuzinator]

At gas station. Can't change accounts on this godforsaken phone

@Asdioh: and if J is town watcher? D1 watcher lynch + N1 doc kill and D2 start w/o all these connections that you are expecting out if a scumJ flip.

Lynch JTB ffs

 

[Seikend]

@JTB You didn't have a list of leads that you'd get from a J flip. This much is incredibly obvious.

I was considering that maybe you were town caught up in a lie that got blown out of proportion. But the fact that you:

@J

the difference is in Jtb s 1490 he states that in his mind he was considering the leads on a J flip.

Therefore he should know them.
And he should have presented them instead of waiting for Glyph to do 90 minutes of work.

A) Ignored the above when I posted it (which might be fair game, considering it wasn't directed at you)
B) Failed to acknowledge the posts existence in your wagon summary
C) Still give terrible responses regarding those leads

I think you're scum. If I was town and I know I did something wrong I'd admit to it. You're just keeping up a charade which should have stopped a long time ago.


I came back to consider you were town because a few of J's posts recently have been really iffy with me (I'll explain later but one was where J stated he "trusted" me. Didn't feel right considering I was super scum to him earlier. I understand that from a reread you can change your mind on someone, but to go from scum to trust is... suspicious.) and I couldn't think of a scumteam to go with you.

But urgh. Your responses are just terrible.

Work with me here JTB.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So let me ask, if both smargaret and J claimed VT, which would you lynch?

Probably would go ahead and say "alright, just VT's, i had a strong read on BSL later but Nabe screwed that up, i don't really like PL, but i don't need to start some bandwagon like that, i feel JTB is town at this moment, so i won't delve into that."

"let's see what people say, and if i agree with them, or i see where they are coming at, perhaps i will go with that person."

there is also other things too, JTB, just because J ninja'ed me, doesn't mean i didn't think that post was scummy, and i wanted to call it out on you.

i know what you're trying to do, you're trying to state "WELL I WAS JUST DOING THAT" but it's different because what you are saying, and how you responded, not everything is buried, some things are right out in the open, and to me, you scumslipped.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kind of sick of the doc/watcher combo, to be honest. Deciding who's town and who's scum out of that makes me cringe every time. I don't want that in lylo. I'd rather lose the PRs and play a decent vanilla game and not have to think about that.

But JTB's responses are ugly and it's altogether better to get rid of him and keep the PRs.

Vote: JTB

 

[th3kuzinator]

This is really looking like some scum oppertunism, like seriously.

We can re-assess J's claim tomorrow with the Night Kill + his result. He is not being lynched before that, stop being rediculous.

 

[JTB]

Seikend, I just give you a quote in which I post some of the leads off the top of my head from a J flip before Glyph even posted them. No, I hadn't considered every single lead that a J flip would give us, this is something that I would work on over night if the J lynch went through.

And as for not including it in my summary, I most likely just missed it, I went through over 100 posts. I'm only human.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He will be called out for lying IF, and ONLY IF, a town tracker/cop/something else targets her, and proves he is not really the watcher. Or he could be a scum watcher and watch her anyway.

basically stated what i was thinking there asdioh, i'm not saying i 100% agree with J, but i'd rather give J a chance seeing how he wasn't cc'ed, and if he is actually watcher, then that's great, and if he is scum watcher, then that's even better, we got a scum.

 

[Asdioh]

inb4 Jscum claims to be roleblocked

good job outing the plan to scum, don't expect it to work now

forgot about roleblock, lol.

At gas station. Can't change accounts on this godforsaken phone

@Asdioh: and if J is town watcher? D1 watcher lynch + N1 doc kill and D2 start w/o all these connections that you are expecting out if a scumJ flip.

Lynch JTB ffs

@JTB: if you flip scum I'm going to look pretty bad for defending you.
if you flip town I'm going to look pretty bad for defending you.


JTB's back to L-1 thanks to Seiks unvote and Nabes vote.

 

[Seikend]

Alright. I'm gonna get a crapload of flak if I'm wrong here.

JTB, from deduction I have you as scum.

But I "deducted" Asdioh and Smarg scum and look where that got me.

I'm gonna go with my gut instincts. And goddamn, I better be right.

Vote: J

 

[Seikend]

If J flips scum

Look at TDW and Nabe.

 

[JTB]

basically stated what i was thinking there asdioh, i'm not saying i 100% agree with J, but i'd rather give J a chance seeing how he wasn't cc'ed, and if he is actually watcher, then that's great, and if he is scum watcher, then that's even better, we got a scum.

Nice, if you didn't 100% agree with J, why did you call my post biased and scummy about the same exact thing?

 

[Asdioh]

and if he is scum watcher, then that's even better, we got a scum.

how is that better? that just means he can target Smarg anyway and find out who our potential cops/trackers/etc. are. If he's scum watcher, it will be even harder to find him lying, because his night results are going to be true.

@JTB: you're really town, right? In Dissidia I was town and there were four scum... I had strong scum reads on two of them, a mediocre scum read on another one, and a null/town read on you, who turned out to be scum I could be wrong again but I just don't see it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

wow, this is really down to the ****ing wire...

oh by the way, seikend, please state why you changed your mind.