Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[smargaret]

GLG, why would you say that when there's just as much support for a JTB lynch?

Speaking of which,

Unvote
Vote: JTB

 

[#HBC | J]

I am out toNight. There is now just less than 11 hours left. Lynch J. Even if he successfully gets unCCed, Scumwatchers exist, there was one it Kat's last Game (oddworld). If we don't lynch J its highly likely we will NL

this will be my last post of the Day

Your reason for not believing me is because there was a scum-watcher in Kat's last game...? -_-" Also what are you talking about highly unlikely that we will NL, the votes are both even on me AND JTB to which we are both at L-2.

Asdioh said he would change his vote after a vote count possibly, Nabe said he will take a JTB lynch as well, Aposl idk what he is gonna do but he had me as a town read so I don't know if he will go back on that and TDW i have no clue on whatsoever.

The only ones that will cause the NL is Yourself/Glyph/JTB because 1.) JTB does not want to be lynched, 2.) Glyph says pretty much every post I do is a scum-tell and I am scum for it and if he doesn't get my lynch toDay that he will force me to be lynched toMorrow. 3.) You just want me dead because you think I am scum. Seik/Smarg/Soupa/PL have all expressed that I am town and they do not want to lynch me for it and the only reason they were considering to lynch me was for info, not because they thought I was scum.

KevinM can do whatever he wants because he is freaking KevinM and should be kept alive till the end.

 

[#HBC | J]

I have 15 minutes before I leave and can't post until 8/9 tonight. I will be on though and will be here to do anything till midnight if there is not a hammer on JTB.

Ask questions if you are there and I will see what I can do.

BTW just effing realized but pg 40 of 40ppp jezus this game so big and it's only D1.

 

[#HBC | J]

TDW, in your next post make a decision and either vote for me or vote for JTB.

UNLESS IT IS THE HAMMER!

 

[#HBC | J]

Since Asdioh asked.

J, HERE IS MY CLAIM SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED IT: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12487855&postcount=1150

TY helped me figure things out.

Oh my god I don't know. If J is town then he deserves to be slapped for being so frustratingly scummy. He needs to learn to not make contraversial statements like "omg you used so much wifom there" followed by stuff like "I revel in wifom!" etc. etc.

Why you so mean Asdioh ;_;

man I'm town. Just assume your read on me is completely reversed, like it was in Upick1.

But grrrr >_<" Are you just gonna be one of those people I have to go opposite on what I originally think every time to get it right?

I figured someone would use this against me, and I figured it would be you.
You're right, I could be lying. The situation I got in required too much luck to occur for me to be lying, imo. I couldn't plan for both the doctor and myself to be put to L-1, but believe what you will, I'm a VT :s

Why is this so town because it makes me feel so dumb T_T I mean I could see where you could be coming from but your naiviety is just so perfect it seems.

 

[#HBC | J]

Aposl do what I asked for TDW to do in 1564 as well since i see you viewing.

 

[#HBC | J]

If I don't get lynched I am seriously gonna be re-reading this entire mofo game to get things straight. JTB's flip will help it along as well.

Soupa, talk to me thoughts on both a JTBtown flip and a JTBScum flip and who should be looked at. I think we may match =3c

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

J, i think you should watch Smarg, and Smarg should doc you, that way you both survive and you can't get NKilled.

if someone tries to kill Smarg, you will find who did it, and you can't die because you will be docced, it's fullproof.

JTB town is so unlikely now, i don't even want to think it, he does goes with whatever anyone says, an he hardly makes cases except that holy grail of a seikend case that he never produced which apparently depends on your flip or 'someone elses' flip.

if JTB is town, then it's his own dumb fault for being scummy, but i have no doubt in my mind that JTB is scum.

if you do watch, J, please watch TDW or GLG.

 

[Aposl]

Actually I m going to have to make a decision soon because I will not be back for the rest of the night unfortunately...

 

[Aposl]

I didnt want to ask this but what does watcher do? I tried to look it up but couldnt find it sorry.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

he picks someone to watch, and he sees who visited that person, he can also watch himself.

 

[Aposl]

okay, okay forgot about that, was trying to understand how he could make the doc safe, now I undertand

 

[JTB]

if JTB is town, then it's his own dumb fault for being scummy, but i have no doubt in my mind that JTB is scum.

Oh the irony in this statement. Weren't you lynched in Dissidia for the same exact reason?

You need to start considering what my town flip will mean or else you are going to be behind going into the night.

 

[Aposl]

whats your vote count right now JTB?

 

[JTB]

I'm reviewing how this wagon on me happened, I'll have a post up later.

L-2 Aposl

 

[Aposl]

okay, i think, right now, wagoning other people is a bad idea. But we cant vote a town for that sake, but I am worried about putting pressure on JTB and revealing another role or he has no role so he gets lynched but is town.

So what I guess i have to ask everyone is, IF we lynch one of the first three people who should it be and if we dont who should we vote for?

I guess also who thinks the idea of wagoning more people is bad or good at this point? Is it worth revealing more town pr's or is that not a worry to the most of you?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh the irony in this statement. Weren't you lynched in Dissidia for the same exact reason?

You need to start considering what my town flip will mean or else you are going to be behind going into the night.

that i was, but that was before, this is now.

k. will do.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

TDW, in your next post make a decision and either vote for me or vote for JTB.

UNLESS IT IS THE HAMMER!

Why would you call me out specifically on this? Especially after I said I doubted either of us would be here for the deadline?

I'm leaving in 5 minutes, I will place my vote at that time directly before I leave.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@Apsol: We're way past the time to consider more candidates. We're lynching J or JTB.

I guess also who thinks the idea of wagoning more people is bad or good at this point? Is it worth revealing more town pr's or is that not a worry to the most of you?

Its not about wagoning others at this point. Its about whether you want to take a chance and lynch the claimed watcher or lynch JTB.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

but I am worried about putting pressure on JTB and revealing another role or he has no role so he gets lynched but is town.

deadline is approaching, the play will either be J or JTB, it is up to you to decide this, i have made my mind up, for one.

So what I guess i have to ask everyone is, IF we lynch one of the first three people who should it be and if we dont who should we vote for?

Above goes, lynch whoever you think is the scummiest, or try to present something that would make that play in your favor.

I guess also who thinks the idea of wagoning more people is bad or good at this point? Is it worth revealing more town pr's or is that not a worry to the most of you?

wagoning is a two-way street, it helps on pressure, but it can also lead to crap like this.

you just have to go with your gut, aposl, i can't tell what the right decision is, but look at people and decide who you agree with, who you don't, etc.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

**** it, theres not many people here to even discuss this.

Vote: JTB

You're at L-1. Claim for me before I leave.

 

[Aposl]

I agree with walrus, I was just asking what everyone else thought. Because if JTB gets pressured, then claims another role it just sucks. So what I am suggesting is vote J or Asidoh because their PR are less important than Smarg doc. I wanted to know if this is good reasoning or seems scummy> I am not sure myself. Maybe leaning closer to J because he seems to have a weaker argument, and no watcher crumbs IDK (not really sure how to view crumbs cuz i r noob). But not sure. If realistically its between JTB and J i have to go with J, because J is one of the 2 options that I believe are best for town right now. It still sucks when and if our lynch is a mislynch.

BTW stilll have no strong argument to say either Asidoh or J are not town, its just getting to that time.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@Aposl: If you're basing that decision off of Watcher being a bad PR, its not. Its actually quite helpful when claimed with a Doc as they both can target each other and assure their survival.

This is also the first time I've seen you say that JTB has the better argument. What about JTB's argument convinced you that he was town or viceversa wrt J's case?

 

[JTB]

Very well, I'm just a VT (or flavorwise, a contestant). No fancy gambits like Asdioh.

Just got back from breakfast, reading.

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[6] JTB - J / Soupamario / Seikend / Pink Lemonade / Smargaret / Toasting Dat Walrus
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / KevinM / JTB / Asdioh
[1] Smargaret - Nabe

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe
[0] Soupamario
[0] Aposl
[0] Asdioh

[1] Not Voting - Aposl

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@MOD, Is there a twilight phase? If so, how long is it?

Still fine with JTB dying.

 

[Kataefi]

No twilight phase!

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Alrighty. I am literally leaving in 3 minutes so if anyone has anything they want answered, ask it quick.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@TDW

i asked Asdioh about a play J did before, where he claimed watcher and was scum, was J's play the same as this right now?

or is he playing different?

also, your recent scumpicks.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

F*** i pressed the back button. My post GAHHH. G2g like right now ill tl;dr it

The circumstances surrounding J's claim are different from both games (J claimed at L-7 in the other one and he claimed tracker)

He was really defensive with respect to being called out on the timing of his claim in the other game. There has not been any of that accusation this game.

J actually had a result when he claimed other gamer, he claimed d1 this game.

I would not risk a J lynch toDay because, if hes telling the truth, we could save two important Power Roles. It will be quit easy to judge toMorrow if he's lying with his result.



Recent scumpicks are JTB and Aposl. G2G now for real. Bye

Town be smart about this! and make sure you make the decision before the deadline ff

 

[Aposl]

I didnt say JTB was scum, or not. I was just saying I didnt want to wagon more people atm, but i guess JTB was already to far down that lane to really try to stop it. Now hes claimed VT so I guess its definitley between him and asidoh, wich atm means its just lookin like JTB.

@ Walrus did not know it was that great to have revealed watcher and doc, my bad.

 

[JTB]

almost finished with my post

 

[smargaret]

Soupa, why, in the post where you propose I doc J and he watches me, do you then suggest J watches GLG or TDW?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i said if he decides to watch, because he says he wants to.

 

[JTB]

JTB wagon

Spoiler

ughghgh

the thing is, I could definitely see watcher as a mafia safeclaim, its way more believeable than a doc safeclaim

idk

The post that begins it. The intent of this post was to show that people shouldn't clear J so quickly just because he claimed a town PR that is just as likely to be a scum PR.

Really JTB....?

I mean really? Are you trying to look more scummy or....?

-He's trying to discredit me already after my claim
-Using set-up speculation to do so
-In reality, Doc claims are MUCH more controversial then Doc claims
-Trying to sound like a troubled middle-man

I mean that's off the top of my head for starters.

Soupa, you have any I missed since you caught it as well?

I don't like this post at all. He's acting as town should automatically clear him because he claimed a PR. Any smart person should be second guessing his claim and determining if it holds any weight.

that's a pretty damn bias post JTB, and quite a scummy one.

If anything, it's the exact opposite of biased. J even states that I sound like a "troubled middle man", I'm inbetween deciding if the claim is true or false.

Why are people taking my post as scummy? I was simply putting the possibility of a mafia watcher out in the open, something that is not unheard of. I'm still debating on the validity of his claim, which is why I promptly unvoted.

Duh.

ask yourself that.

Soupamario not getting it at all. He completely believes J's claim.

Why even try and introduce the WIFOM?

Here, J attributes my statement to WIFOM. As soon as J and Smargaret claimed PR's, there WAS going to be WIFOM, there's no two ways about it. You don't just blindly believe a claim, you need to question it.

Don't even try to make this seem like a scumtell. If I think someone else is scum and they have way more connections than my biggest scumpick, of course I'm going to think the other player is the way to go. It's more beneficial to town that way.

why is it more benefical to town though?

also, why did you even need to bring up something like that, seems like you're playing only for one team.

I don't see why this question was asked, it's pretty clear that lynching someone with alot of connections is going to be more beneficial to town than lynching someone with fewer connections. I don't see how Soupamario doesn't see the benefits of this, it gives town more to work with the next Day.

The second statement just makes it seem like you don't have a clue what I said.

Soupamario, u dumb

It gives town more to work with for D2, isn't it obvious? If I was playing for one team, shouldn't I be solely pushing for a seikend lynch?

why are you so contradicting JTB, you have not at all tried to push for seikend's lynch, you have lolly-gagged in vote-wagons.

you say you want to give town more to work for, but where's the work?

also, don't pull that WIFOM crap like you did, it doesn't help, granted i know this.

And here's where I start getting frustrated. I've made it clear that I haven't pushed for Seikend's lynch because a J lynch would be more beneficial to town, yet Soupamario is ignoring all that. And his second question makes no sense, I want to give town more to work for but I'm not doing work? What does that even mean?

I don't like this reaction at all to Soupa's questioning. ._."

Of course he doesn't like it, it's either him or me that's going to be lynched, J is going to put as much suspicion on me as possible.

JTB, am I scum to you?

If so, why?

If not, then who is and why are you not pushing them?

Who are you gonna be voting for btw? Asdioh or your major scum-pick Seikend?

You are scum to me. I didn't like your pregame post about "not being mafia" and I recall you pulling out some AtE following one of your wagons, something I remember you doing quite alot of in Inception Mafia.

Yeah, it's a weak case, but to myself, your flip would give town alot to work with, as evidence of Glyph's recent post.

Not voting Asdioh, that much is for certain. I would push for a Seikend lynch, but seeing as how my cases were largely disregarded over the Day, I don't see it happening.

why are you so contradicting JTB, you have not at all tried to push for seikend's lynch, you have lolly-gagged in vote-wagons.

you say you want to give town more to work for, but where's the work?

also, don't pull that WIFOM crap like you did, it doesn't help, granted i know this.

Srsly? Did you even read my post? A Seikend lynch wasn't going to give town much to work with at the time when I was making my cases, so I didn't push it the entire Day.

And I don't even understand your second question.

Posting for reference.

^lol?

Vote: JTB

If someone wants to point out the many many ways that is wrong above then you can but I want a JTB wagon while I wait for Asdioh. I can if I don't get busy by sleep all of a sudden ">.>

Doesn't bother to say why I'm wrong, just discredits it.

it didn't make a case because you didn't feel like you could push on it.

my 2nd question is this: you say you want to give town more to work for, but you're not doing any work yourself.

stop playing dumb with me.

Still being dumb. My case had weight to it, but J was making connections to every player, setting himself up to be the perfect lynch, which is why my cases were being disregarded.

Why don't you actually present your sentences correctly then. I want to give town more to work WITH. If J flips scum, I already have a case built up on Seikend that I can use in D2. And that benefits town, does it not?

Case referring to my previous stances on Seikend. I had already starting demonstrating why he was scum, and upon a J flip, I can provide more evidence as to why Seikend is scum.

Why don't you actually present your sentences correctly then. I want to give town more to work WITH. If J flips scum, I already have a case built up on Seikend that I can use in D2. And that benefits town, does it not?

you say you have a case, but where the **** is it?

huh?

why didn't you 'present' this case?

what is this case a ****ing bible of something?

In retrospect, I see why he thinks this, he believes my case solely depends on a J scum flip, not just any flip.

You are scum to me. I didn't like your pregame post about "not being mafia" and I recall you pulling out some AtE following one of your wagons, something I remember you doing quite alot of in Inception Mafia.

weak case, very weak.

you coulda tried fighting all of those wagons if you felt J was scum, you didn't just have to go 'herp derp i'm gonna vote on the wagon so i look town durr.'

Calling me out for not fighting wagons that were not J. Make a case for this, don't just accuse me of something and not back it up.

Srsly? Did you even read my post? A Seikend lynch wasn't going to give town much to work with at the time when I was making my cases, so I didn't push it the entire Day.

BUT WHY.

WHY WASN'T IT.

YOU DON'T STATE WHY.

Hi, I'm soupamario and can't see the really ****ing obvious.

Why don't you actually present your sentences correctly then. I want to give town more to work WITH. If J flips scum, I already have a case built up on Seikend that I can use in D2. And that benefits town, does it not?

J is not the play anymore, and if he was, ****ing present it.

good day to you sir.

Already went over.

soupamario, you are truly dumb, go back through my posts and find my ****ing case, I'm not going to do it for your convenience just because you are too lazy to find it yourself

Referring to his first statement.

but you said you had a huge case on seikend for D2, are you basically telling me that the D2 case depends on if J flips scum?

is that it?

and yes, i seen THAT case, it was fantastic, but we have time, go ahead, tell me your devious plan.

also, you have alot of holes btw, ton of **** that don't add up, i'll be sure to go slap you in the face with it.

Giving him this post, he still believes my case relies on a J scum flip.

When I said I had a case built up for D2, I was referring to updating my D1 case with the J flip plus whatever happens N1.

Clearing up confusion.

I don't think you are understanding my last post.

- My current case against Seikend is what I made earlier in the Day.
- Upon a J flip, I use the nighttime to update my case with J connections.
- If J flips scum, one of the things that immediately comes to mind is Seikend calling J scum on very weak reasoning, something I had already posted about. Now with the proof that J is indeed scum, I can push this point even more.
- If J flips town, I review their connections again, nothing comes to mind atm.
- Present now-updated case upon opening of thread for D2.

This is what went through my mind for most of the Day. Now since J isn't the play right now, I just replace J with whomever is lynched.

By posting all this, if I turn out to be the lynch for today, I fully expect town to take a look at my previous case on Seikend and use it during D2.

Understand now?

.__. you have nothing to say about my play since? I've been more active and IMO, I've played a lot better.

Just because you changed the way you play does not, in anyway, excuse you for your play before that.

Can't wait to see your 'case' Soupamario.

It should be pretty clear on where I am coming from now.

i don't have one, sorry, that's really quite the case you got there by the way, i'm intriguied.

This is what went through my mind for most of the Day. Now since J isn't the play right now, I just replace J with whomever is lynched.

so...again..you're just willing to put blame on someone so your connections match up?

and secondly, WHY do they match up.

Honestly, is Soupamario that dense? Is it really that hard to see what I was saying?

Now you are just putting words in my mouth. If there is nothing there, I'm not going pull up some bs just so that my case seems more valid.

you ignore me again, you say you will just replace whoever is lynched with J for your seikend case, and i ask why, and you basically go "STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!!"

I will look at the connections between Seikend and the person that is lynched. Isn't this EXACTLY what town does after a flip with their scumpicks? And if there are no connections between the two of them, I'm not going to push at something that isn't there.

I'm not going to LITERALLY replace J with whomever is lynched in my case.

I mean, come on. It's not that hard to see, you are just being dense.

Tell me what you concluded we get leadwise on a J flip.

You should know this. You took J over me for a lynch candidates for connections, right?

So what are they?

I don't have to conclude anything, Glyph already did that for us.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12499665&postcount=1384

Nothing really to comment on.

do me a favor and just state who that someone else is upon the flip, if it's you, you best start speaking.

stop dodging the main point, you sound like you are going to survive this day.

I didn't notice this back then, but why would he tell me to not act like I was going to survive toDay? Is he suggesting that I just give up and let town mislynch when we could lynch Jscum?

I don't know who that person is. Up until two hours ago, I figured J was going to be the lynch because of his connections. I went on smargaret for a short while because she was acting mad scummy, but I really don't have a choice with her doc claim now, do I?

I think J is calling bs with his watcher claim, but I can't prove that.

And I can't prove it. As of right now, I assume everyone believes his watcher claim so blindly, so I'm not pushing that point.

for the love of ****ing god you just said you had a backup case and now you're pulling up someone elses work?

Wow, really?

WHY CANT YOU READ

Seikend asked what leads does a J flip gives us. I JUST GAVE HIM A POST IN WHICH GLYPH POSTED THE LEADS THAT A J FLIP GIVES US.

btw I'm beyond frustrated right now IRL

The **** guys, if we're going to trust every claim people throw at us we literally are going to have a wagon on every player by the end of the day, and scum will have a handy dandy cheat sheet for who they need to pick off at night.

Look at what J's done since being pushed to L-1. He claimed, and then launched off into pushing other people's lynches. Absolutely NOTHING was done to show he wasn't scum, he just pointed away from himself and started you all into a frenzy.

I still think we should lynch J today, because I truly believe he will flip scum. A lot of you guys do too, even if you're convinced his scummy play and constant AtE is just "playstyle". Its not, its a scummy action, and he should be lynched.

I"m glad Glyph and I see eye to eye on J's claim

vote J

Now that someone else doesn't believe his claim, I'm more than happy to put my vote back on J.

I went on smargaret for a short while because she was acting mad scummy

you were also on Asdioh, among others.

At this moment, I'm getting the idea that Soupa is looking for ANYTHING to make me look bad, even if it doesn't exist.

but I can't prove that.

why can't you?

if you feel strong about something, then try to convince me already!

Gone over in my next post.

Now you are just reaching. I went on Asdioh for reads, I've never thought he was scum aside from his first post.

Now you are just reaching. I went on Asdioh for reads, I've never thought he was scum aside from his first post.

why can't you?

if you feel strong about something, then try to convince me already!

Oh right, let me just log into J's account and look at his role PM so that I can prove it 100%. My last post about the possibility of it being a safeclaim was seen as scummy, so why would I push it?

stuff

why are you concerned if you look scummy?

Because it being scummy means that people are not going to pay attention to the point that I was trying to get across and just look for ways in which it is wrong. So I drop it until I get more concrete evidence.

And I did drop it. I assumed that everyone was going to eat up his claim, so what do you expect? Then once I see Glyph post that he doesn't buy it, I understand that not everyone is as thickheaded as Soupamario and put my vote back on.

no, looking scummy puts you on the chopping block, if you are a good town, you should be able to erase all hostility between someone, which you aren't doing, you're giving me **** excuses.

I don't even know what this means. Hence why I didn't bother replying to it.

JTB I read that as if someone were to say he's scummy for his absence it would be scummy, you can call him scum for other reasons all you want.

Yeah, you're right, I was just pretty frustrated at the time and took it the wrong way.

Not watcher, and I really don't understand the suspicion here lingering on J when we only have like 24 hours to actually get a lynch through on someone scummy.

So as soon as J claims watcher, he is no longer scummy?

I really dislike the insistence on calling J scum even after the claim, your posts after J claimed have been really off JTB.

Once again, just because J claimed watcher does not make him less scummy.




And there is the wagon on me, complete with my thoughts on every post related to me. This should give people a better insight on why I was posting in such a manner.

Be smart about this lynch town. Don't automatically take J's watcher claim as true, it's not rare to have a scum watcher and Asdioh even stated that there was one in Upick1 (and it was J, more or less.).

 

[JTB]

Posting my stances just incase someone hammers me.

Scum - J, Seikend, Soupamario/Smargaret
Town - Asdioh, Glyph, KevM, Smargaret (if Soupamario flips scum)

Everyone else null. Vig, shoot J if you don't trust his watcher claim, otherwise, shoot Aposl for being useless, you don't want him in lylo/mylo.

Glyph, push for the J lynch toMorrow and don't let him get away.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no, looking scummy puts you on the chopping block, if you are a good town, you should be able to erase all hostility between someone, which you aren't doing, you're giving me **** excuses.

I don't even know what this means. Hence why I didn't bother replying to it.

you're still giving me **** excuses.

 

[JTB]

See how he doesn't bother to explain himself, he just resorts to insults.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i explained myself clearly, you are dodging me, what is there you need me to explain?

all you said was 'i dont even know what that means lol '

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ask yourself that.

Soupamario not getting it at all. He completely believes J's claim.

i was asking you why do you think your post is scummy, or why are you posting scummy posts.