Bhutto Assassinated

[Eor]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22406555/

I doubt most people here know of her, but I am really upset by this. She just recently survived an assassination attempt when she came in to the country, I thought the security would have been enough. I really have no idea what this means for Pakistan, but I'm expecting another state of emergency soon. Sad news

 

[omfgomfg]

hallelujah baby

EDIT: oh wait sec that was stupid, i didn't mean to say that. i thought it was the other leader that was assassinated for a second.

 

[Shiri]

If Pakistan wasn't ever "up in the air," it sure as heck is now.

I dunno, I know for sure I don't have her whole story, but from the different things I've read on her since she made her comeback a while ago, it seems like American media is playing on certain parts of her (the gender aspect, which is significant, as well as the exile and some of her policies and actions) to distort the matter of her being, what seems to me, morally bankrupt and deep in family corruption. Of course, I only say American media since I don't follow European media coverage anymore and I'm hesitant to say "Western media" without knowing for sure that it's a Western thing.

It depends on who you ask, hahaha. She's one of those global personalities that you either loved or hated, but it's still frustrating and saddening that she was assassinated nonetheless.

 

[jaej]

I just saw this on digg. I suspect all hope of democracy in Pakistan is gone now. There's been rioting in like 10 cities, with 11 dead. She was a corrupt leader, but that doesn't justify anything.

 

[F8AL]

You would think that the armored car would've protected her.
I saw this story on CNN this morning.

 

[GoldShadow]

More rioting, more chaos, is exactly what we need less of. This is unfortunate.

 

[Jammer]

So sad. She wasn't exactly a girl scout, but she was definitely better than most of the other leaders Pakistan has had (and will now most likely have).

Some 130 dead in the assassination, and more dying in the resulting chaos/riots, including someone shot by police in a shoot-out. This is not what we need right now in the Middle East.

 

[Cinder]

What!? Wow...Bhutto was almost killed? That sucks...she's one of the best leaders Pakistan's had imo...I hope that doesn't happen again...

 

[Jammer]

No, she was killed, as in she's dead.

There was another attempted assassination before. This one actually succeeded.

 

[Cinder]

No, she was killed, as in she's dead.

There was another attempted assassination before. This one actually succeeded.

Ah...I must have misread Eor's post...wait...OH MY GAWD, she's dead! Aww, that really sucks...she was such a good leader from what I've read...losing her's gonna hurt Pakistan imo...did it say who killed her?

 

[Black Waltz]

Ah...I must have misread Eor's post...wait...OH MY GAWD, she's dead! Aww, that really sucks...she was such a good leader from what I've read...losing her's gonna hurt Pakistan imo...did it say who killed her?

a suicide bomber holding a gun approached her, shot at her and then blew himself up.

 

[Mic_128]

I hate humans.

 

[Jammer]

did it say who killed her?

So far, no group has taken responsibility. The rioting in the streets is generally directed against the current president, Pervez Musharraf, although I doubt he's directly behind the assassination (but then again, I only started learning about Pakistani politics like half an hour ago, so I have no real idea).

Bhutto was in self-imposed exile. When she returned, she would have shared power with Musharraf, but she's dead now, so that won't happen. Of course, it's not as simple as that, but their it seems to me the circumstantial evidence points to Musharraf as the man behind this.

 

[Jam Stunna]

As I said on another board, we are f*cked.

 

[Adi]

*Sigh*, it was only a matter of time. Pakistan is in a precarious position already and this just tips them closer to the edge.

 

[darkatma]

I hate humans too..
dammit why are there such things as suicide bombers/shooters/etc.
You can feel your life is useless, but you sure as f*ck dont interfere with other's lives, much less kill them.

apparently some of these suicide attackers fall for the.. "If you manage to bomb X person, then you will have 60 virgin women in heaven" or some **** like that. I don't know, how f*cked up can people get.. and how stupid?!

 

[Adi]

It's easy to view suicide bombers in a disparging way from our positions but when you grow up in an environment that facilitates the growth of fundamental hatred it doesn't seem so unlikely.

 

[Cinder]

I hate humans.

Seconded...

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Musharraf had something to do with it...but I wouldn't think he'd be that crazy...but then again, you never know...I just hope whoever was behind it gets what's comin' to 'em...

Spoiler

in our society...like it'll happen...pah!

 

[darkatma]

It's easy to view suicide bombers in a disparging way from our positions but when you grow up in an environment that facilitates the growth of fundamental hatred it doesn't seem so unlikely.

yea I know that =x
It's still distressing to know that there are such environments, and it sure easily disproves John Locke's idea that all people are naturally benign/good.

because naturally all corruption has a source..


anyways more on topic.. Was this woman really a corrupt leader? I know we get a lot of those trying to act under democracy but just using it as a reason to take over.

 

[spindash]

a suicide bomber holding a gun approached her, shot at her and then blew himself up.

Despite how tragic that is, I'm going to be the jerk here and say that I hold nothing but pity for the suicide bombers who do the crap that they do. "I'mma blow you up, I shall be satisfied. Virgins in heaven, here I come!!!"

How pathetic. Power does nothing but corrupt, and death only causes chaos and havoc to escalate. This isn't good. Not good at all.

The suicide bombers need one hell of a wake-up call if they think that whatever they're doing is right in any way, shape, or form. Idiotic is what I call it.

 

[Shiri]

I hope at least for the next year...

...that Bush and Musharraf won't have a falling out because of this. This thing is making everything far too complicated.

 

[Lixivium]

I don't understand why Muslim extremist groups were trying so hard to kill Bhutto. Musharraf is a decidedly secular leader, this gives him justification to impose another martial law, which does not help the Muslim faction. I have a hard time imagining that Musharraf is behind this, yet he's the only one who benefits from it...

 

[Venom Dream]

I hate world events. Because I know something terrible has happened, and that I should feel concerned for the future and whatnot. But it's hard to feel connected to something that happened half ways around the world, no matter how terrible.

Poor Pakistan. Poor us. Mhmmm

 

[darkatma]

I hate world events. Because I know something terrible has happened, and that I should feel concerned for the future and whatnot. But it's hard to feel connected to something that happened half ways around the world, no matter how terrible.

Poor Pakistan. Poor us. Mhmmm

This is 'disaster porn' btw

 

[peachori]

in all honesty, this was really her own ambition getting the best of her. when you know you've got a target on your back, as she did, you cant let people get so **** close to you and continually insist upon being unprepared. sure there are many people who couldve improved security and whatnot, but in the end this was a case of her repeatedly leaving herself open to attack at event after event and eventually she got what was coming to her.

this is bad news, sure, but for anyone who knows pakistan, its really no surprise.

 

[Mini Mic]

I was shocked when I learned this news. There haven't been many major assassinations in my lifetime but this one has certainly had an effect on me. I had high hopes for the upcoming elections in Pakistan but apparently some people would just prefer civil unrest. It's times like this that make me wonder if there will ever be peace in the middle east. I could never imagine an Australian being so passionate in their beliefs that they would go to these lengths, I guess the world really is just too diverse.

Also this has put the Australian cricket tour in Pakistan into doubt which makes me a very sad panda

 

[antimatter]

I hate humans.

thirded. and i saw that al quida is taking credit for the assassination.

 

[Jammer]

in all honesty, this was really her own ambition getting the best of her. when you know you've got a target on your back, as she did, you cant let people get so **** close to you and continually insist upon being unprepared.

I respectfully disagree with this. We need people in the world who are willing to stand up to bad things, even when it may mean their death.

The US would still be just a British colony if it didn't declare and fight for its independence, even though Britain had a vastly superior fighting force. And there are many more examples like that, where the oppressors were much, much harsher than Britain was to the colonies.

You can't just bow to power to save your own skin every time. Sometime, you just have to stand up to it, whatever the consequences.

 

[GoldShadow]

The US would still be just a British colony if it didn't declare and fight for its independence, even though Britain had a vastly superior fighting force. And there are many more examples like that, where the oppressors were much, much harsher than Britain was to the colonies.

You can't just bow to power to save your own skin every time. Sometime, you just have to stand up to it, whatever the consequences.

Unfortunately, I think this is similar to the thought process of terrorist groups and suicide bombers. That's the problem when both sides think they're right and the other side is wrong.

 

[Jammer]

Unfortunately, I think this is similar to the thought process of terrorist groups and suicide bombers. That's the problem when both sides think they're right and the other side is wrong.

Too true.

But I would like to think that people like you and me, and pretty much everyone on the internet, are much more informed and open-minded than those on the inside of a fundamental Islamic terrorist training camp, for example, where the only education they get is memorization of the Koran while they learn to hate the Great Satan. So there can be a wrong side and a right side. But like you said, the problem comes when both sides think they're the right one.

And by the way, I voted GoldShadow for most intelligent member 2 minutes ago. This last post of his shows that he is able to make connections and form analogies, which is a good indicator of intelligence. Now I feel smart for picking him.

 

[darkshy]

Do you think it's possible that Musharraf did this because he did not want to share power, or that in a free election Bhutto could beat him out? It's definatley a bad situation and is truely sad. I really don't know what more to say about it though it's something that's definatley not finished.

 

[WoapGang]

I honestly did not think she would've survived long in Pakistan in the first place. Not to be a pessismist or anything, but with people such as Lashkar i Jhanghvi associated with the same group that attempted to assasinate Nawaz Sharif a couple years ago, she would ALWAYS have had a target on her back....

-R.I.P. Benazir Bhutto

 

[peachori]

I respectfully disagree with this. We need people in the world who are willing to stand up to bad things, even when it may mean their death.

The US would still be just a British colony if it didn't declare and fight for its independence, even though Britain had a vastly superior fighting force. And there are many more examples like that, where the oppressors were much, much harsher than Britain was to the colonies.

You can't just bow to power to save your own skin every time. Sometime, you just have to stand up to it, whatever the consequences.

this has nothing to do with bowing to power. its realizing that when the event is all done, you've got to get into the **** car. i know that they're your people, and i know that you probably dont feel threatened. hell, i dont even feel that threatened in the streets of pakistan anymore and i was freaking born here. but you have to realize that with a target on your back, eventually someone will make an attempt on your life, and you have minimize the time that they have to do that.

also, while her death is definitely a loss, its funny how quickly everyone forgets that she took pakistan to the cleaners not too long ago. although perhaps people figure she was a lesser evil than many others.

 

[Bailey]

You cursed twice in the title I want to warn you.

 

[WoapGang]

You cursed twice in the title I want to warn you.

......i just got that lol "bhutto" and "***"

 

[commonyoshi]

The US would still be just a British colony if it didn't declare and fight for its independence, even though Britain had a vastly superior fighting force. And there are many more examples like that, where the oppressors were much, much harsher than Britain was to the colonies.

You can't just bow to power to save your own skin every time. Sometime, you just have to stand up to it, whatever the consequences.

The situation between the colonies standing against the British is much different than that of Bhutto. The colonies were a collective group of people who actually knew who they were fighting and had a chance to fight back. Bhutto was only one person, and she was a sitting target for her invisible assassinators. I totally agree with fighting for what you believe in, but you cant win a war by being foolish.

And it seems hard to imagine that the current leader would do something so stupid unless his plan was for it to be intentional. Come on, who's the biggest suspect without there being a shread of evidence?

 

[Serris]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22406555/

I doubt most people here know of her, but I am really upset by this. She just recently survived an assassination attempt when she came in to the country, I thought the security would have been enough. I really have no idea what this means for Pakistan, but I'm expecting another state of emergency soon. Sad news

IT WAS MUSHARRAF.

 

[bballstar23]

As a Muslim American, this news hurts me a lot. What these people in Pakistan don't realize is that they're killing their own people in the name of a religion they all share. It makes no sense, and I feel bad for the kids who have been brainwashed into the idea that they are doing something good. Education is the one thing that is lacking in this region of the world, and it is something that is really needed, clearly shown by this tragic news. I myself do not condone such behavior, yet I know this will only help to support stereotypes of us as terrorists. It's almost guaranteed that the U.S. is now going to invade Pakistan, and I don't think I ever saw this day coming. Though I never really liked Bhutto much as an individual, there is no way I can support any justification for her killing, and it saddens me that things have gotten to this point now.

 

[darkatma]

well today's news is that the people in power are blaming Al Qaeda.
Again. This always happens, Al Qaeda is like a buzz word for terrorism now.

 

[bballstar23]

The thing is, that there's just so many factors in this whole fiasco that's it's pretty hard to comprehend it all.