Being a "Low Tier Player" does not make you unique or honorable.

[GreenCarrot]

No, seriously, there's two kinds of people who play this game:

1) People who suck and since they suck, they use a character under Gannon on the tier list(common excuses are "I play to have fun" or "I'm not a sellout, so, I use low tier").

and

2) People who are good/trying to be good and use anyone from Fox down to Gannon on the tier list.

Low tiers are for fun and for certain counters(which rarey work). And no 1 say Chu or Azen,cuz Chu and Azen both won't use anyone under gannon anymore, and Chu's pichu is only winning when he plays some1 the 1st 3 or 4 times, then he gets owned.

Someone can be good with a lower tiered character, but that doesnt change the fact that the character still sux.

hahahaha this is so wrong its funny. Low tiers are for pros who actually know how to play the game and they can get away with using someone who "has a disadvantage" and still kick your *** (sometimes).

High tiers are for lazy **** players who dont want to take the time to learn the game, they just use overpowered attacks with overpowered range and overpowered priority and act like they'e good because they win. how much skill does it take to get through a mewtwo's fsmash with a marths? none, but it works so noobs do it and act like they're good. How much skill does it take for a mewtwo to dodge and mindgame a marth so bad that he doesnt land a hit, then end up blasting his *** off the stage. A lot.

The only reason anyone would say playing low tiers isnt unique or honorable is because they dont want to lose their status as "good", which they arent.

 

[Zig-Zag!]

pika pika.

 

[P3T3]

hahahaha this is so wrong its funny. Low tiers are for pros who actually know how to play the game and they can get away with using someone who "has a disadvantage" and still kick your *** (sometimes).

High tiers are for lazy **** players who dont want to take the time to learn the game, they just use overpowered attacks with overpowered range and overpowered priority and act like they'e good because they win. how much skill does it take to get through a mewtwo's fsmash with a marths? none, but it works so noobs do it and act like they're good. How much skill does it take for a mewtwo to dodge and mindgame a marth so bad that he doesnt land a hit, then end up blasting his *** off the stage. A lot.

The only reason anyone would say playing low tiers isnt unique or honorable is because they dont want to lose their status as "good", which they arent.

Hmmm, I can tell you're a n00b.

1) Your join date says Nov 06

2) You used the word "pro" out of contex. The reason being, you dont know what a pro is,and you most likely suck at this game you think you know so much about.

go to a couple tournies and see what this game is really about.

 

[launchpadmcqak13]

Abso-****ing-lutely not. Spending the time and dedication of starting at a lower tier does make you both honorable and unique.

Unique because of the defnition of unique, being someone that everyone else is not.

Honorable because they aren't as good as the higher tiers, and thus take more practice more time, more skill. Here we get into the debate about how another tier isn't better than one other, but you can generally accept that falco is better than pichu. Therefor, when someone beats you with pichu or someone who is generally acceptted to be worse than your character, they are that much better.

More practice, time, and skill rather than picking up the best character and being mediocre but winning = honorable.

 

[P3T3]

Low tiers suck. It diesn't matter how much you practice with them, they still suck.

You have to either have extremely good mind games, get the novelty effect, or you have to be playing someone who really sux(99% of the people in this thread and all the moderators except QDVS) to even have a good chance of winning with someone under Link on the tiers.

 

[$PITE]

Abso-****ing-lutely not. Spending the time and dedication of starting at a lower tier does make you both honorable and unique.

Unique because of the defnition of unique, being someone that everyone else is not.

Honorable because they aren't as good as the higher tiers, and thus take more practice more time, more skill. Here we get into the debate about how another tier isn't better than one other, but you can generally accept that falco is better than pichu. Therefor, when someone beats you with pichu or someone who is generally acceptted to be worse than your character, they are that much better.

More practice, time, and skill rather than picking up the best character and being mediocre but winning = honorable.

I disagree (on the honourable part). Some people play low tiers because "high tier characters are cheap." This is scrub talk. If you're playing to win, it doesn't matter. You're being stupid to play at a disadvantage.

Say you win 50% of the time with Kirby against an opponent's Fox. THIS DOES NOT MAKE THE KIRBY PLAYER BETTER THAN THE FOX PLAYER. You both play the same game, with the same opportunities, and have the same success rate. You might have a better Kirby compared to the best Kirbys in the world, but when playing competitively, this doesn't matter.

Just win, baby.

 

[wuthefwasthat]

Hmmm, I can tell you're a n00b.

1) Your join date says Nov 06

2) You used the word "pro" out of contex. The reason being, you dont know what a pro is,and you most likely suck at this game you think you know so much about.

go to a couple tournies and see what this game is really about.

lol...

1) your join date is also nov 06

2) everyone always uses pro in an exaggerated sense... nobody gets offended by it - not even the true pros

but yeah - high and low tier players can both be awesome, but high tier can get boring eventually... not all low tier players use it as an excuse... you think taj plays mewtwo so he can say "its cause i play mewtwo"?

 

[$PITE]

It is perfectly okay to use low tiers for fun. Just not as an excuse for your losing or because high tiers are cheap. Because that's stupid.

<3 Kirby and G&W

 

[DireVulcan]

Anyone who shoots down low tiers suck at life and doesn't know sht about *** about sht.

Period.

 

[GreenCarrot]

Hmmm, I can tell you're a n00b.

1) Your join date says Nov 06

2) You used the word "pro" out of contex. The reason being, you dont know what a pro is,and you most likely suck at this game you think you know so much about.

go to a couple tournies and see what this game is really about.

how the **** did i use pro out of context you stupid ****. pro means professional does it not? lets use dictionary.com to help us out since we're apparently ****ing ********

12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.

13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.

hmm... an expert.. lets furthur look into this to see what pro really means

1. a person who has special skill or knowledge in some particular field; specialist; authority: a language expert.

hmm interesting.. it appears as if pro means a person who has special skill or knowledge in a particular field.. lets say.. their low tier char is the specific field that this given pro has special skills in. hmm.. so i DID use it in context. Moron.

 

[Zodiak-Lucien]

Hmmm, I can tell you're a n00b.

1) Your join date says Nov 06

uhh self-ownage?

 

[FuSe]

how the **** did i use pro out of context you stupid ****. pro means professional does it not? lets use dictionary.com to help us out since we're apparently ****ing ********

12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.

13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.

hmm... an expert.. lets furthur look into this to see what pro really means

1. a person who has special skill or knowledge in some particular field; specialist; authority: a language expert.

hmm interesting.. it appears as if pro means a person who has special skill or knowledge in a particular field.. lets say.. their low tier char is the specific field that this given pro has special skills in. hmm.. so i DID use it in context. Moron.

for a professional, i believe its the game of smash that is the particular field, like im a professional basketball player!!!


Also to P3t3, lower tiers dont suck, they just have a disadvantage compared to the higher tiers. its not the character, its the player.

 

[GreenCarrot]

for a professional, i believe its the game of smash that is the particular field, like im a professional basketball player!!!


Also to P3t3, lower tiers dont suck, they just have a disadvantage compared to the higher tiers. its not the character, its the player.

hm i agree with the fact that its not the character, its the player.. but i still think someone using a low tier char and beating multiple high tier chars is honorable.. so its party the char too.. but not as much as people make it out to be

 

[Airo]

ouch.... you dont judge a player's skill by post counts =.="
what kind of demented logic is that.

T3P3.. just so you know... your join date is also november 2006
and you ahve a post count of 66

i play a mewtwo and i am definately obligated to defend myself and other low tier players

1) People pick who to use as their favorite player BEFORE THEY SEE THE TIER LIST.
2) the tier list stictly applies ONLY for pros with closely matched skills. honestly.. a fox that doesnt know how to shine absolutely sucks crud.
3) People DO play to win. however, the tier list does NOT motivated people to pick characters they dislike.
4) In the end it is 100% skill, experience, and mindgame. ChuDat or ANY well known player can easily pickup ANY character and still do more than decent in a tournament. noncharacter specific tecniques, Experience, and mindgames do not leave you when you pick a different character.
5) Characters only suck if you dont know how to use them.

 

[Angrylobster]

Pete's actually been here a long *** time, jsut under a different name.

 

[Mooplet]

Low tier players might not always be trying to stand out.
Some people worked their way up and deserve it... Dire comes to mind. Bum is another. These players have to make up for character's 'disadvantages' with creativity and raw skill, which both of them have. G&W and DK arent championed as 'the honorable choice' or to protest top tier...
I just say that people have unwarranted anger against low tier players.
When they lose, people say 'serves him right, who plays that?' and if they win, people see them as showoffs.

Its not to be honorable, or against top tier, just a character choice.
I play zelda to counter top tier characters... nothing wrong with that because it works.

 

[MZero17]

Anyone who shoots down low tiers suck at life and doesn't know sht about *** about sht.

Period.

I love Dire long time. You kickass Dire!

G&W for Life

 

[P3T3]

Thank you Lobsta.

Green Carrot you're a n00b. A pro smasher is someone who gets paid to play smash(ie: MLG) and there's less than 5 of them you fvcking moron.

LOL I keep forgeting I have a new account and it says my join date is nov 06.

Lemme rephrase what i said:

99.9% of low tier players are afraid to play high tiers cuz they(the player) suck and dont wanna be seen losing with a high tiered character(like green ******[carrot]).

Dire, you're an exception I've heard from my boy Tommy Tipper.

Green Carrot however is a n00b and $100 MM.

Edit: and by the way, if you havent played in a REAL tournament then SHUT THE FVCK UP please cuz you suck(to everyone).

 

[MZero17]

Thank you Lobsta.

Green Carrot you're a n00b. A pro smasher is someone who gets paid to play smash(ie: MLG) and there's less than 5 of them you fvcking moron.

LOL I keep forgeting I have a new account and it says my join date is nov 06.

Lemme rephrase what i said:

99.9% of low tier players are afraid to play high tiers cuz they(the player) suck and dont wanna be seen losing with a high tiered character(like green ******[carrot]).

Dire, you're an exception I've heard from my boy Tommy Tipper.

Green Carrot however is a n00b and $100 MM.

Edit: and by the way, if you havent played in a REAL tournament then SHUT THE FVCK UP please cuz you suck(to everyone).

XFD you don't suck if you've never played in a big tournament. Some people just don't want to spend 300+ dollars on a plane ticket to go to a big tourney cause there's none in the area.

And most low tier players play low tier characters because they like the character. Bringer of Death plays Yoshi, and you wouldn't stand a chance against him. Same with Dire, Taj, ChuDat, and maybe even myself.

EDIT: A pro smasher is not someone who gets paid to smash. Do we need to go over the defenition of "professional" again?

 

[GreenCarrot]

LoL @ p3t3.. how old do you have to be to come up with stuff like n00b and green ******.. i bet that took you a long time huh? are you ****ing 5 kid? you're obviously just another stubborn little kid who has no idea about anything and argues just to piss people off because you're insecure and attention starved.. you're a moron

 

[MZero17]

LoL @ p3t3.. how old do you have to be to come up with stuff like n00b and green ******.. i bet that took you a long time huh? are you ****ing 5 kid? you're obviously just another stubborn little kid who has no idea about anything and argues just to piss people off because you're insecure and attention starved.. you're a moron

Quoted for truth

 

[StripesOrBars]

XFD you don't suck if you've never played in a big tournament. Some people just don't want to spend 300+ dollars on a plane ticket to go to a big tourney cause there's none in the area.

And most low tier players play low tier characters because they like the character. Bringer of Death plays Yoshi, and you wouldn't stand a chance against him. Same with Dire, Taj, ChuDat, and maybe even myself.

EDIT: A pro smasher is not someone who gets paid to smash. Do we need to go over the defenition of "professional" again?

Wrong and wrong.

By saying what you just said, you lose all credibility in the smash world.

Obviously, if you don't goto tournies you suck.

Without tournies you lack experience.

And, yes a pro smasher is someone who gets paid to smash. The NBA, NFL, NHL, ect. all pay there players to play their game.MLG pays its players to smash ,which makes them "Pro Smashers".

Just cuz I'm good at hockey, that doesn't make me a pro.

Congrats n00b.

Edit: And bringer of death sux.

LoL @ p3t3.. how old do you have to be to come up with stuff like n00b and green ******.. i bet that took you a long time huh? are you ****ing 5 kid? you're obviously just another stubborn little kid who has no idea about anything and argues just to piss people off because you're insecure and attention starved.. you're a moron

Wow, attacking someone's personal life in an argument about a video game. . . .

. . . . but yea, let's try and stay on topic here, please.

 

[MZero17]

Wrong and wrong.

By saying what you just said, you lose all credibility in the smash world.

Obviously, if you don't goto tournies you suck.

Without tournies you lack experience.

And, yes a pro smasher is someone who gets paid to smash. The NBA, NFL, NHL, ect. all pay there players to play their game.MLG pays its players to smash ,which makes them "Pro Smashers".

Just cuz I'm good at hockey, that doesn't make me a pro.

Congrats n00b.

How do I lose all credibility in the smash world, but you're the one with negative rep.

I said you don't have to go to a big tournament to be good. I didn't say anything about not having to go to a tourney at all. A bseides, you don't only get expirience from tournaments, but they help alot.

And pro is short for professional, no? And the defenition of professional:

12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.

13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.

 

[frotaz37]

Wrong and wrong.

By saying what you just said, you lose all credibility in the smash world.

Obviously, if you don't goto tournies you suck.

Without tournies you lack experience.

And, yes a pro smasher is someone who gets paid to smash. The NBA, NFL, NHL, ect. all pay there players to play their game.MLG pays its players to smash ,which makes them "Pro Smashers".

Just cuz I'm good at hockey, that doesn't make me a pro.

Congrats n00b.

Edit: And bringer of death sux.



Wow, attacking someone's personal life in an argument about a video game. . . .

. . . . but yea, let's try and stay on topic here, please.

I thought you got banned?

:/

Please get re-banned.

Thanks.

 

[StripesOrBars]

How do I lose all credibility in the smash world, but you're the one with negative rep.

I said you don't have to go to a big tournament to be good. I didn't say anything about not having to go to a tourney at all. A bseides, you don't only get expirience from tournaments, but they help alot.

And pro is short for professional, no? And the defenition of professional:

12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.

13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.

Doesn't matter what the definition is. You know the difference, and I know the difference.

And I have neg rep cuz of ignorant n00bs who think they know everything. Like this frotaz guy under this post.

I thought you got banned?

:/

Please get re-banned.

Thanks.

LOL

 

[ceemain]

guys guys guys! whats with all this eletism and bickering and stuff?? just chill and discuss the topi calmly, no need for personal attacks or snooty attitudes. if anything, just let your skill (not post count, join date, character tier, status as a paid smasher or not) talk, cuz i'm pretty sure you all are great players who ever you use and you picked that character back when you just played smash cuz it was the best thing to ever happen to nintendo fans everywhere. were all here for smash and we shouldnt let it make us act stupid.

...and btw, DO NOT try and flame me just cuz i am a newcomer to the forums, if you want to get aquanted w/ me check my post in the meet and greet section...

peace

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

99.9% of low tier players are afraid to play high tiers cuz they(the player) suck and dont wanna be seen losing with a high tiered character(like green ******[carrot]).

Edit: and by the way, if you havent played in a REAL tournament then SHUT THE FVCK UP please cuz you suck(to everyone).

LOL... I don't care if people see me lose with high tiers. I know I suck so bad with the high tiers that it's not even funny. Sometimes i play my high tiers against people, because if they lose to me, that in and of itself is an insult to their playing... (you'd have to see my fox/falco to know what i mean) I really don't give a **** if i lose with my high tiers, or if people see me losing with them because I know I suck with those characters, and so does anyone else with 1/2 a brain who've played against them...

Anyone who shoots down low tiers suck at life and doesn't know sht about *** about sht.

Period.

Dire for president!

 

[kusakusakiwi]

everything you said is definitely agreeable. people should use what fits them best, rather than focusing on what's popular (or in this case, what's more "unique")
although i thought that fox was probably the most used character, versus roy and link.

 

[<π]

I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags, I don't want to ruin smash for the people who are just getting started...

Spoiler

Lower tier characters aren't all that good in compeditive play, thats why they are low tier. Fun too play, sure. A challenge, yeah. A loss, not nessesarily, but most of the time.
You play a low tier cool, grats, join the low tier club. But accept that while you character may not be "bad", they aren't amazing like fox and marth and peach. It took me a while, but I have.

Compeditive high level play, and casual play are two very different things. A lot of posters here don't fully understand that yet.

 

[StripesOrBars]

Less than 3 for president.

 

[ꓰspeon]

I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags, I don't want to ruin smash for the people who are just getting started...

Lower tier characters aren't all that good in compeditive play, thats why they are low tier. Fun too play, sure. A challenge, yeah. A loss, not nessesarily, but most of the time.
You play a low tier cool, grats, join the low tier club. But accept that while you character may not be "bad", they aren't amazing like fox and marth and peach. It took me a while, but I have.

Compeditive high level play, and casual play are two very different things. A lot of posters here don't fully understand that yet.

Yeah qft.

There are a lot of skillful people out there that constantly show us low tiers aren't exactly crap, you can still win with any characters, hey why everyone is saying SSBM is a very balanced game but doesn't think low tiers can win competitive matches LOL.
I am a low tier player myself, and I do it 'cause
1) Used pika and Luigi and others in the old SSB and kept them
2) They are fun to play with cause i like them (and that's everyone's main reason)
3) I can still win with them, even if it's harder
4) I use them for my mindgame, it helps me not repeating the same pattern over and over, 'cause I wouldn't lose so easily if I perform a good pattern with high tiers (well I would certainly get punished harder), so it forces me to be creative, experiment new moves and tactiques, learn to exploit some spare greatness of a move and so.
5) High tiers often give me a sense of invincibility when I play them, and when I lose to someone (hey playing an high tier doesn't make you immortal, at all) I just think "how could I lose? it's impossible!" and I get pissed. Same happens to many fiends of mine. In short, you get angry easier when you play high tiers.

I never regretted my choice, even when I played Bowser monts ago in a tournament semifinal vs the best Fox in Italy (now 2nd). He 2-stocked me out of 5, but whatever.

 

[<π]

I hate it when people quote my posts and don't read them... or did you skip the spoiler? (The spoiler that you left open for everyone to see...)

 

[StripesOrBars]

Yeah qft.

There are a lot of skillful people out there that constantly show us low tiers aren't exactly crap, you can still win with any characters, hey why everyone is saying SSBM is a very balanced game but doesn't think low tiers can win competitive matches LOL.
I am a low tier player myself, and I do it 'cause
1) Used pika and Luigi and others in the old SSB and kept them
2) They are fun to play with cause i like them (and that's everyone's main reason)
3) I can still win with them, even if it's harder
4) I use them for my mindgame, it helps me not repeating the same pattern over and over, 'cause I wouldn't lose so easily if I perform a good pattern with high tiers (well I would certainly get punished harder), so it forces me to be creative, experiment new moves and tactiques, learn to exploit some spare greatness of a move and so.
5) High tiers often give me a sense of invincibility when I play them, and when I lose to someone (hey playing an high tier doesn't make you immortal, at all) I just think "how could I lose? it's impossible!" and I get pissed. Same happens to many fiends of mine. In short, you get angry easier when you play high tiers.

I never regretted my choice, even when I played Bowser monts ago in a tournament semifinal vs the best Fox in Italy (now 2nd). He 2-stocked me out of 5, but whatever.

Yea but you probably suck.

 

[MZero17]

People who play characters like Marth, Fox, and Peach because they're are high tier characters are either too lazy to learn a character they like cause there low tier or suck too much to do so.

Now, If you play Falco, Fox, Marth, ect. because you like the character then that's fine. But if you only play them cause they're higher tier then man up and get some balls. God.

 

[Link-NY]

People who play characters like Marth, Fox, and Peach because they're are high tier characters are either too lazy to learn a character they like cause there low tier or suck too much to do so.

Now, If you play Falco, Fox, Marth, ect. because you like the character then that's fine. But if you only play them cause they're higher tier then man up and get some balls. God.

Wrong. Ppl who play fox,falco marth ect are not lazy. it takes more tech skill to use them then the lower tiers. It can take some1 months before they get there tech skill down with fox and falco. How ever i do agree that the lower tiers are more fun to play *** simply because unlike the highter tiers they dont have a "broken" spammable move so you actually have to use their entire barrage of move sets. BTW DooDah knows what hes talking about -=)

 

[Battousai780]

****, who cares what character you use? In the end, it's all about who won. I admit that my main is Marth and sometimes I'm called cheap. What's this mean to me? Nothing. I just play who I think I most have fun with. I also secondary Pichu... I play for fun, so stop telling me that my character is cheap and on the other hand, don't say my secondary sucks. Last time I checked, you play videogames for fun, and that is exactly what I am doing. :]

 

[mood4food77]

people who pick up fox, falco, etc aren't lazy, they just want to be good so they'll pick up a good character and win

it takes more tech skill to use falco than the low tiers....since when, falco is one of the easiest characters to use in the game, up there with sheik and peach, i think he's easier to use than sheik, but that's just me, yes fox does require tech skill, more than anyone, falco doesn't really

 

[StripesOrBars]

Shiek
Marth
Peach
Falco
Falcon

In order of easiest to use.

 

[MZero17]

****, who cares what character you use? In the end, it's all about who won. I admit that my main is Marth and sometimes I'm called cheap. What's this mean to me? Nothing. I just play who I think I most have fun with. I also secondary Pichu... I play for fun, so stop telling me that my character is cheap and on the other hand, don't say my secondary sucks. Last time I checked, you play videogames for fun, and that is exactly what I am doing. :]

Good. You play Marth cause you have fun playing with him, not cause he's top tier.

people who pick up fox, falco, etc aren't lazy, they just want to be good so they'll pick up a good character and win

Exactly. Too lazy to practice and get good with a character they like, so they choose one of the higher tier characters so they don't have to try as hard. Taking the easy way out.

 

[T-major]

People have this misconception that they're unique and honorable just because they use a low tier character. I've seen so many people say that they won't play high tier characters because it's not unique and because it's cheap. The funny thing is, if you surveyed every ssbm player, and not just pros but every one, I'd say the most people play Roy and Link. Every time I meet a new smash player and they tell me which characters they use, the first bit of advice I give them is to begin to work on a high-top tier character. I laugh whenever someone says they don't want to be a traitor and change their main. No one really cares who you use, and if they suggest that you "stick with it" then they are not really trying to help you get better, they just don't want to face the truth that the tiers exist for a reason. Of course low tier characters are fun to use and even can be important for counterpicking, but if you ever want to play well in a tourney, learning a higher tier character is mandatory. Look at Ken. He's acknowledged as one of the best ssbm players and everyone who has even looked into pro ssbm knows of him. How many of them know of a Roy Main? Not even 25% as many. If you want to stand out, then do it by winning.

no offence, but this has to be one of the biggest loads of crap I've ever heard... your trying to tell people that using a character that hardly nobody uses, is a bad thing. and that people shouldn't be allowed to play a low teir character if they want to? how is it not honourable to play a low tier? if you can play well, and beat a lot of high tier using pros with lets say.. Bowser. thats WAY more respectable then winning with Fox or Marth. it proves you have a lot of skill to be able to beat someone using a "good" character, with a character that "sucks".

as for the "not being unique" part. how is it not unique to use a character that a lot of people dont bother with? the people using Marth and Shiek are the ones who are "not being unique". if everybody uses the same characters (high tier characters), that means using a character like DK or some one would seperate you from the majority of players. thus, logicaly, making you more unique.

people like you piss me off. you think that every body has to act a certant way, and like a certant thing (in this case, high tier characters). you seem to act like the tier list is some all knowing force, that was made to deside what characters people have to use. which is far from the truth. people can use what ever character they want. that includes high and low tier characters. but nobody, I reapeat, nobody has the right to tell you what character is right or wrong, like your doing... if you have fun with a character, use them. but most people only use high tier characters because their classified as "better characters", not because they like them.